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Post by summers8 on Apr 8, 2018 19:56:28 GMT
No MCU movie will ever surpass Logan, Deadpool and DOFP in quality, depth, film making and artistry. cinema is loosing thanks to mcu movies. Yet they have match those movies and MCU is beneficial to cinema if anything. Looking back 20 years from now MCU will be remembered as being responsible for the Golden Age of CBMs. remembered by mcu fans and the superficial media. I cannot even put kids because kids grow up mcu movies are not taken seriously and looked at intelligently to be actually remembered seriously. its hard to say mcu will be remembered when the people who preserve the integrity of cinema dont like mcu movies. the contradiction is inspiring. one who preserves it like Spielberg said this golden age will die out like westerns. the contradiction is truly inspiring.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 8, 2018 20:00:38 GMT
Yet they have match those movies and MCU is beneficial to cinema if anything. Looking back 20 years from now MCU will be remembered as being responsible for the Golden Age of CBMs. remembered by Everyone. Because the MCU appeals to everyone, not just artsy-fartsy snobs. Except by everyone. Except by all those same people who DO like the MCU, which outnumber the ones that don't. Spielberg also says Netflix is bad. So he's wrong about this as well. I mean sure, the genre will die if we leave it in the hands of DC and FOX but Marvel won't let that happen.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2018 20:00:38 GMT
Yet they have match those movies and MCU is beneficial to cinema if anything. Looking back 20 years from now MCU will be remembered as being responsible for the Golden Age of CBMs. remember by mcu fans and the superficial media. I can even put kids because kids grow up mcu movies are not taken seriously and looked at intelligently to be actually remembered seriously. its hard to say mcu will be remembered when the people who preserve the integrity of cinema dont like mcu movies. the contradiction is inspiring. one who preserves it like Spielberg said this golden age will die out like westerns. the contradiction is truly inspiring. MCU fans are people too. Plenty of normal people I've met say they enjoy MCU movies. The few people you've listed don't count as the only people who preserve cinema many great films artists and critics like the MCU so if anything is inspiring it is your stupidity. Also westerns are still remembered as great movies as will the MCU.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 8, 2018 20:01:33 GMT
remember by mcu fans and the superficial media. I can even put kids because kids grow up mcu movies are not taken seriously and looked at intelligently to be actually remembered seriously. its hard to say mcu will be remembered when the people who preserve the integrity of cinema dont like mcu movies. the contradiction is inspiring. one who preserves it like Spielberg said this golden age will die out like westerns. the contradiction is truly inspiring. MCU fans are people too. Plenty of normal people I've met say they enjoy MCU movies. The few people you've listed don't count as the only people who preserve cinema many great films artists and critics like the MCU so if anything is inspiring it is your stupidity. Also westerns are still remembered as great movies as will the MCU. When he brings up people who don't like the MCU all he can name are guys like Rourke, 8 years in the past. It's pathetic. Should we bring up all the Oscar winners who LOVED working on the MCU movies? There's more of them than in Fox.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Apr 8, 2018 20:08:00 GMT
Yet they have match those movies and MCU is beneficial to cinema if anything. Looking back 20 years from now MCU will be remembered as being responsible for the Golden Age of CBMs. remembered by mcu fans and the superficial media. I cannot even put kids because kids grow up mcu movies are not taken seriously and looked at intelligently to be actually remembered seriously. its hard to say mcu will be remembered when the people who preserve the integrity of cinema dont like mcu movies. the contradiction is inspiring. one who preserves it like Spielberg said this golden age will die out like westerns. the contradiction is truly inspiring. the people who preserve the integrity of cinema And who the hell are they? Please give me some names.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 8, 2018 20:10:47 GMT
remembered by mcu fans and the superficial media. I cannot even put kids because kids grow up mcu movies are not taken seriously and looked at intelligently to be actually remembered seriously. its hard to say mcu will be remembered when the people who preserve the integrity of cinema dont like mcu movies. the contradiction is inspiring. one who preserves it like Spielberg said this golden age will die out like westerns. the contradiction is truly inspiring. the people who preserve the integrity of cinema And who the hell are they? Please give me some names. He'll just bring up Divas like Rourke and Norton. Maybe Jodie Foster, who hasn't been relevant in years. Zoe Saldana said it best: www.cbr.com/saldana-marvel-actors-sellouts-elitists/
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Apr 9, 2018 1:41:39 GMT
I hate to break it to you, but there's no integrity of cinema. It died a loooong time ago.
You can hug your copy of Citizen Kane, but it still doesn't erase Transformers and Batman and Robin.
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Post by harpospoke on Apr 9, 2018 3:04:29 GMT
So um how many times is it going to happen. well I know Avengers is the second funniest and most shallow franchise in MCU after GOTG but it has war at the end. so why comedy and action again. we are not over thor 3 been comedy. War requires action yes, but we are not talking of LOTR type of action, we are talking of destroying the world Loki type of action. why are all mcu first reactions, comedy and action. where is story telling, where is drama, where is depth? Why can't they be like Logan or DOFP. the first reactions were , drama, serious, compelling, emotional, great performances from the actors? Better stay away from Empire Strikes Back from the Star Wars franchise. Jokes all over that one (and it's the "dark" one in the OT). There is always room for humor and of course a good way to include it....like Marvel does. There is nothing inherently inferior about humor despite that assertion from hipsters over the years.
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Post by harpospoke on Apr 9, 2018 3:10:20 GMT
James Gunn wrote all the dialogue for the guardians. Kinda hoping he won't give us a raccoon poop joke again. star lord already making jokes with spiderman and iron man in war moments. does anyone not know the original GOTG was actually like Flash Gordon. it was not space junk fart styled comedy.
It's all in the execution. Some movies go for a cheap laugh with a fart joke. That's pretty much the Shek franchise in a nutshell. But then another studio can use a fart joke in an intelligent way.
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 9, 2018 3:12:30 GMT
No MCU movie will ever surpass Logan, Deadpool and DOFP in quality, depth, film making and artistry. cinema is loosing thanks to mcu movies. Those are all good movies (though DOFP just barely) but none of them is significantly better than the average MCU movie IMO. You can squawk about "depth" and "artistry" all you want, it's all just your personal opinion and no better than anyone else's. And "cinema" will be just fine so you can stop worrying. It's not his opinion. He doesn't have his own opinion. All he does is link pages where someone is giving their opinion. All we need is for him to create a Sony version of this persona then we'll have one for WB, Fox and Sony.
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Post by harpospoke on Apr 9, 2018 3:13:02 GMT
So the same old same old certified fresh billion dollar making movies? Sounds good to me. MCU= still winning! DCEU and X-Men= still losing. No MCU movie will ever surpass Logan, Deadpool and DOFP in quality, depth, film making and artistry. cinema is loosing thanks to mcu movies. DP is obviously too funny and fun to be included on your list. Not "dark", "serious" and "grounded" enough to fit your narrow template of what a good movie is.
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 9, 2018 3:19:13 GMT
So um how many times is it going to happen. well I know Avengers is the second funniest and most shallow franchise in MCU after GOTG but it has war at the end. so why comedy and action again. we are not over thor 3 been comedy. War requires action yes, but we are not talking of LOTR type of action, we are talking of destroying the world Loki type of action. why are all mcu first reactions, comedy and action. where is story telling, where is drama, where is depth? Why can't they be like Logan or DOFP. the first reactions were , drama, serious, compelling, emotional, great performances from the actors? Better stay away from Empire Strikes Back from the Star Wars franchise. Jokes all over that one (and it's the "dark" one in the OT). There is always room for humor and of course a good way to include it....like Marvel does. There is nothing inherently inferior about humor despite that assertion from hipsters over the years. Oh those aren't jokes in Empire Strikes Back. According to him, a character making jokes in mature movies are being sarcastic and that is not humor.
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 9, 2018 3:21:05 GMT
No MCU movie will ever surpass Logan, Deadpool and DOFP in quality, depth, film making and artistry. cinema is loosing thanks to mcu movies. DP is obviously too funny and fun to be included on your list. Not "dark", "serious" and "grounded" enough to fit your narrow template of what a good movie is. But it's rated R so it is beyond our scope of knowledge and reasoning to understand the intricacies of the meaning of a movie such as Deadpool.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Apr 9, 2018 5:21:32 GMT
No MCU movie will ever surpass Logan, Deadpool and DOFP in quality, depth, film making and artistry. cinema is loosing thanks to mcu movies. DP is obviously too funny and fun to be included on your list. Not "dark", "serious" and "grounded" enough to fit your narrow template of what a good movie is. He obviously didn’t watch Deadpool. He doesn’t really watch the X-films. The link below exposes that. imdb2.freeforums.net/thread/93950/summers8-doesn-watch-films-trollingsummers8 is just an attention whore.
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Post by summers8 on Apr 9, 2018 6:04:59 GMT
So um how many times is it going to happen. well I know Avengers is the second funniest and most shallow franchise in MCU after GOTG but it has war at the end. so why comedy and action again. we are not over thor 3 been comedy. War requires action yes, but we are not talking of LOTR type of action, we are talking of destroying the world Loki type of action. why are all mcu first reactions, comedy and action. where is story telling, where is drama, where is depth? Why can't they be like Logan or DOFP. the first reactions were , drama, serious, compelling, emotional, great performances from the actors? Better stay away from Empire Strikes Back from the Star Wars franchise. Jokes all over that one (and it's the "dark" one in the OT). There is always room for humor and of course a good way to include it....like Marvel does. There is nothing inherently inferior about humor despite that assertion from hipsters over the years. speaking of empire, do you want to know the reason last jedi pissed many people off? it was like a marvel movie than a star wars movie.
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Post by merh on Apr 9, 2018 6:14:51 GMT
It was a half hour preview with a few different scenes in it. Pretty ha rd to get much depth or storytelling done in that time. If you exercised a bit of common sense you'd easily realize this. As I said, first 24 minutes is the build up part not the action.its pretty hard to get depth in mcu because depth is not allowed. mickey rouke confirmed it in iron man 2. no lies. here. cant argue with facts. What facts? All actors want is their part to get attention Rourke screwed himself over. He was incredible in the 80s. I loved Angel Heart. Then he quit to box. 1991-1994 he boxed. You might sell your story to millenials, but I am 8 yrs younger than Rourke-old enough to actually remember his career going down in flames.
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Post by merh on Apr 9, 2018 6:32:04 GMT
So um how many times is it going to happen. well I know Avengers is the second funniest and most shallow franchise in MCU after GOTG but it has war at the end. so why comedy and action again. we are not over thor 3 been comedy. War requires action yes, but we are not talking of LOTR type of action, we are talking of destroying the world Loki type of action. why are all mcu first reactions, comedy and action. where is story telling, where is drama, where is depth? Why can't they be like Logan or DOFP. the first reactions were , drama, serious, compelling, emotional, great performances from the actors? ... I never bought into Marvel using mutants as substitutes for blacks in the civil rights movement. Why deal with race issues when you can fake it with making largely white characters the persecuted class? Back in the 80s, I got tired of the comic shop dude pushing X-Men comics at me. He told me it was best to buy what one likes, yet always tried to get me to buy X-Men. I didn't like the melodrama. Hunted like animals!!!!! So yeah. No thanks. Never saw the fuss over Wolverine until Hugh Jackman played him. Still never cared for the midget in the comic.
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Post by harpospoke on Apr 9, 2018 6:37:50 GMT
Better stay away from Empire Strikes Back from the Star Wars franchise. Jokes all over that one (and it's the "dark" one in the OT). There is always room for humor and of course a good way to include it....like Marvel does. There is nothing inherently inferior about humor despite that assertion from hipsters over the years. speaking of empire, do you want to know the reason last jedi pissed many people off? it was like a marvel movie than a star wars movie. I do agree that SW should not be the same style as Marvel. It should be obvious that you can't use the same style for every movie. It works great with Marvel in some of their movies (not all since they cover a wide range of styles from Winter Soldier to Thor 3). So things like having Poe do Yo Mama jokes at the beginning of the movie just failed. But the writer of TLJ not understanding the character of Luke Skywalker was the main problem. It's like the guy never watched the OT. Marvel certainly understands their characters since they created them.
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Post by summers8 on Apr 9, 2018 6:48:39 GMT
I hate to break it to you, but there's no integrity of cinema. It died a loooong time ago. You can hug your copy of Citizen Kane, but it still doesn't erase Transformers and Batman and Robin. Well to be fair, Blade managed to do control damage after batman and robin. x-men 2000 at the dawn of the new Millennium washed it away , Batman Begins in particular did more for the batman name. mcu movies just made things worse. Cinema still has integrity, Logan as a comic boo movie is proof of that. I think this is also the reason people like Jodi Forster had to speak out.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 9, 2018 11:42:13 GMT
I hate to break it to you, but there's no integrity of cinema. It died a loooong time ago. You can hug your copy of Citizen Kane, but it still doesn't erase Transformers and Batman and Robin. Well to be fair, Blade managed to do control damage after batman and robin. x-men 2000 at the dawn of the new Millennium washed it away , Batman Begins in particular did more for the batman name. mcu movies just made things worse. No, it restored faith in CBMs that embrace the wondrous after FoX-Men and the Nolan films nearly destroyed the genre. No, Logan was just more of the same. People only treated it lightly because it was Jackmans' last time in the saddle. Even more people liked how James Gunn and Zoe Saldana fired back at the Elitists.
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