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Post by thenewnexus on Apr 11, 2018 23:47:04 GMT
No Spidey is serious sometimes he ll make smart remarks to cofuse the enemy but no comedy is part of his character like dp Obviously you know very little about Spider-Man( Guess your collection consists of one or two books at most), humor is a BIG part of his character, most of his stories are not intended to be super serious or uber-violent. In lot of early comics Peter gets beat up very badly and lots of innocent people die around him. How is that not serious?
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Apr 11, 2018 23:57:36 GMT
Obviously you know very little about Spider-Man( Guess your collection consists of one or two books at most), humor is a BIG part of his character, most of his stories are not intended to be super serious or uber-violent. In lot of early comics Peter gets beat up very badly and lots of innocent people die around him. How is that not serious? In a lot of early comics you also had very cheesy melodrama, campy humor, and clunky dialog that would be totally silly if said out loud. Spider-Man has had plenty of serious stories and moments in his entire publication history, but for the most part he's portrayed as a light-hearted character with a razor sharp sense of humor with an endless supply of childish comebacks. He's supposed to be a fun character.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Apr 11, 2018 23:59:25 GMT
It very much is. And you haven't said anything about Frank Castles' humorous moments. Humor isn't part of Castle character" if they tone him down for one comic does not mean its part of his character Yeah Castle is a comedian alright That's one scene from one story, one of hundreds in his entire publication history.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 12, 2018 0:11:56 GMT
It very much is. And you haven't said anything about Frank Castles' humorous moments. Humor isn't part of Castle character" It happened, you have to accept it.
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Post by thenewnexus on Apr 12, 2018 0:18:41 GMT
Humor isn't part of Castle character" It happened, you have to accept it. Never said it didn't happen,but it still does not mean comedy is part of his character. He does not use dance moves to beat bad guys.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 12, 2018 0:23:33 GMT
It happened, you have to accept it. Never said it didn't happen,but it still does not mean comedy is part of his character. He does not use dance moves to beat bad guys. Good thing that isn't what Starlord did, he used an Infinity Stone to beat a bad guy. And yes, it means comedy IS part of Franks' character. No matter how small. You just can't accept it.
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 12, 2018 3:15:05 GMT
Obviously you know very little about Spider-Man( Guess your collection consists of one or two books at most), humor is a BIG part of his character, most of his stories are not intended to be super serious or uber-violent. In lot of early comics Peter gets beat up very badly and lots of innocent people die around him. How is that not serious? Jeeze dude, you can't be this dense. Just because Spidey has a number of humorous moments doesn't mean that he doesn't have serious ones too.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 12, 2018 3:52:47 GMT
In lot of early comics Peter gets beat up very badly and lots of innocent people die around him. How is that not serious? Jeeze dude, you can't be this dense. Just because Spidey has a number of humorous moments doesn't mean that he doesn't have serious ones too. He's the kind of guy who thinks that a movie about a teenage Spidey needs an explicit sex scene between him and teen MJ.
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Post by harpospoke on Apr 12, 2018 6:00:20 GMT
First part is true but not the way your worded it. Fans wanted a good movie and didn't get it. Fans just didn't want them to flush all the old characters down the toilet in favor of the new characters. The franchise is huge because of the Luke, Leia, Han, and Chewy characters. That's why TFA and TLJ were made in the first place. Inventing a new weak, cowardly, bitter "Luke" because you want to make Rey the new hero is going to piss people off. Making Chewy a minor character who apparently was only there to hang out with the new toys is going to piss people off. (Leia didn't even hug Chewy after Han was killed...she went to Rey instead!) Nothing wrong with being pissed off about that one. It is true that fans had a lot of theories about Rey. That was necessary because she was good at everything for no reason. There had to be a backstory there to explain that. She didn't have to be a Skywalker or Kenobi....just something needed to be there to explain it. I was one of the defenders after TFA. But now...Rey is a Mary Sue. There is no backstory for her to explain why she is better than Kylo Ren with no training. In TFA I told people that he was hurt and was having to hold back in the fight. But in TLJ...she is just flat out better than him. ...A guy who was trained by Luke for years and she is better with almost no training. Nothing wrong with being pissed off about that. Mary Sues are not interesting characters. Sci Fi fans obviously have no problem with strong female characters. That is just a SJW tactic to make excuses for why fans didn't like SJW agendas in TLJ. Ripley, Sarah Conner...and Leia are some of the biggest Sci Fi characters in history and male fans love them. Leia was always a strong character. That bothered exactly no one. That's because Lucas was able to do that without making Luke, Chewy, and Han into weak characters to make her look strong. That's what they did in TLJ. Every male character is an idiot or a weakling. Poe and Finn were promising characters after TFA but in TLJ they were reduced to window dressing. There is nothing wrong with being pissed off about that either. Inserting a sub plot into the movie that does nothing for the plot? ...That appears to be there just to wedge in more Liberal Porn? "Rich people are evil" "Animal rights" Yeah...that sort of nonsense will get noticed and there is nothing wrong with being pissed off about that. Cowardly? He wasn't weak or cowardly. He was resigned to the fact that a second go at something that failed the same way again in the past 50+ years is not a good idea. They didn't give Chewy a medal in ANH either. You still upset about that? Good point. A lot of people were bothered that Chewy didn't get a medal. He's just a sidekick for the Porgs now I guess and that of course bothers fans too. I would say that running away when you actually know everything you, your sister, and your best friend worked to build is about to fall apart is pretty cowardly. Luke couldn't even give them a warning? Remember he admitted he foresaw what was going to happen. He pretty much ruined the lives of all the people he loved by running away to hide. First you are suggesting that Luke never improved his fighting skill over the decades of training? That's not going to work. It's a pretty ridiculous suggestion. Second, none of that explains why Rey was a better fighter than everyone who was trained as a Force user. I was totally onboard with her previous skills in TFA because I could make the case that Kylo was hurt and holding back. But in TLJ he is fine and she is still better than him. A guy who has trained in the Force for years. She is also better than Luke who has trained for decades. All with almost zero training in the Force. She has no backstory to explain this now. Are we supposed to believe you don't need training now? That's nonsense too. It's not just being good with a weapon either....she is somehow just a strong Force user too out of nowhere. There is no getting around the fact that she is just a Mary Sue now. Are you seriously suggesting those iconic female sci fi characters are not strong women? Is this some form of denial where you can't accept that male fans love those characters? I realize those other female characters are not "strong" like Rey. They aren't just strong out of nowhere Mary Sues. They have to earn their success. The male characters in their movies also aren't written as idiot weaklings to make them look good either. Far superior writing where several characters can have strength at the same time. Johnson actually admitted the reason he made Luke weak was because Rey was what he was in the OT and he didn't know how to put two of them in the same movie. He pretty much admitted he's not a good writer right there. Leia started out stronger than both Luke and Han so no idea what you are talking about there. They were pretty clueless compared to her in ANH. She was even tortured and came out of it with her resolve intact. Han is practically devastated after being tortured in ESB. You conveniently left out the part where both Luke and Han get to be heroic at times as well. So it's not the same at all, is it? That's not allowed in TLJ. Male characters are idiots to make the female characters look smart. Johnson must have copied that from The Dark Knight where every character was an idiot to make the Joker look smart. Bad lazy writing. [/quote]
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Post by harpospoke on Apr 12, 2018 6:07:08 GMT
No Spidey is serious sometimes he ll make smart remarks to cofuse the enemy but no comedy is part of his character like dp Obviously you know very little about Spider-Man( Guess your collection consists of one or two books at most), humor is a BIG part of his character, most of his stories are not intended to be super serious or uber-violent. Spider-Man is about both. That's what some don't get. It's not mutually exclusive. Spider-Man has some of the darkest elements in comics history but he will also make you laugh. But some think you have to be grim 100% of the time to be "real art" or whatever nonsense.
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 13, 2018 14:02:47 GMT
Cowardly? He wasn't weak or cowardly. He was resigned to the fact that a second go at something that failed the same way again in the past 50+ years is not a good idea. They didn't give Chewy a medal in ANH either. You still upset about that? Good point. A lot of people were bothered that Chewy didn't get a medal. He's just a sidekick for the Porgs now I guess and that of course bothers fans too. I would say that running away when you actually know everything you, your sister, and your best friend worked to build is about to fall apart is pretty cowardly. Luke couldn't even give them a warning? Remember he admitted he foresaw what was going to happen. He pretty much ruined the lives of all the people he loved by running away to hide. First you are suggesting that Luke never improved his fighting skill over the decades of training? That's not going to work. It's a pretty ridiculous suggestion. Second, none of that explains why Rey was a better fighter than everyone who was trained as a Force user. I was totally onboard with her previous skills in TFA because I could make the case that Kylo was hurt and holding back. But in TLJ he is fine and she is still better than him. A guy who has trained in the Force for years. She is also better than Luke who has trained for decades. All with almost zero training in the Force. She has no backstory to explain this now. Are we supposed to believe you don't need training now? That's nonsense too. It's not just being good with a weapon either....she is somehow just a strong Force user too out of nowhere. There is no getting around the fact that she is just a Mary Sue now. Are you seriously suggesting those iconic female sci fi characters are not strong women? Is this some form of denial where you can't accept that male fans love those characters? I realize those other female characters are not "strong" like Rey. They aren't just strong out of nowhere Mary Sues. They have to earn their success. The male characters in their movies also aren't written as idiot weaklings to make them look good either. Far superior writing where several characters can have strength at the same time. Johnson actually admitted the reason he made Luke weak was because Rey was what he was in the OT and he didn't know how to put two of them in the same movie. He pretty much admitted he's not a good writer right there. Leia started out stronger than both Luke and Han so no idea what you are talking about there. They were pretty clueless compared to her in ANH. She was even tortured and came out of it with her resolve intact. Han is practically devastated after being tortured in ESB. You conveniently left out the part where both Luke and Han get to be heroic at times as well. So it's not the same at all, is it? That's not allowed in TLJ. Male characters are idiots to make the female characters look smart. Johnson must have copied that from The Dark Knight where every character was an idiot to make the Joker look smart. Bad lazy writing. Chewie will never be a main character. He is always a side character that people like enough to have a seat at the main character table. Not really. He did the same thing in the Legacy EU books. After his failure, he went around to study more on the Force. Only difference is that he had his son, Ben, with him. Of course he foresaw what was coming. The same thing happened with the Republic before and both Yoda and Obi Wan ran and hid. Except they had a back up plan of using these twins as weapons later. Luke's plan was the opposite and flawed. If no one is trained to be a Jedi, then no one will become a Sith. And Yoda told him he was an idiot (confirmed: Yoda is a woman). How can a person improve when he is the best already? There were no other trained Force users around. So if he only had minimal training he was the best Jedi in the galaxy. The only way for him to become a better duelist is to cut himself off from the Force and train with a regular sword. But that won't be Force training, huh? That's why the prequel era Jedi were so much better and flashy. You do know that TLJ takes place the second after TFA, right? Also, Kylo was trained by Luke. Luke only ever fought Vader. And he won that fight by taping into the Dark Side and beating him like he had a bat. Do we know how much training he had from Snoke? Did Snoke train him to be a better fighter than Luke did? Rey is a Mary Sue because the Force made her that way. They actually say in the movie that she is a Mary Sue. That the Force gave her really strong sensitivity. The only thing she doesn't have is the training or experience to call on it at will. That was the purpose of her training in TLJ. The Force was actually taking control of her actions. The only time she straight up used the Force was when she thought back to what Maz said (that still counts as training). Even when she had that mental fight with Kylo and controlled JB-007, that wasn't her saying "I'm a Jedi. I'm going to use the Force." That was the Force saying "Here, take this. It is dangerous to go out there alone." Would you say that Ripley was a strong character in Alien? She was just a horror movie trope of the last character (which 99% of the time is female) that kills the monster. I'd say she didn't become strong until Aliens when Cameron made her into proto-T2 Sarah Connor. The same goes for Sarah Connor, who just a survivor and became strong in the sequel. Rey's strength doesn't come from her Force abilities. It comes form her surviving on Jakku alone all those years. Would you call Jean Grey a Mary Sue for having the Phoenix? And Jean was born with that power level, Rey was just given that in the movie. Rey had no Force abilities when we first meet her. All her knowledge was earned because of the trade was in. She knows mechanics because she had to know what to scavenge. She was taught how to fix and fly ships. They've actually said this in the movie. Luke was only weak in that he cut himself off from the Force. He still retained whatever fighting ability he had (as shown when he dueled Rey). He even lost the fight like his dad. Yes, she started out stronger than them, but she was 3rd in the character hierarchy. When you think of those characters it would be Luke, Han, and Leia or Han, Luke, and Leia. Never Leia and the other 2. That's the hierarchy. Now the hierarchy of the movies is Rey, Finn, and Poe. Poe didn't look heroic when he went up against the Star Destroyer and the TIE fightes? Finn didn't look heroic in his fight against Phasma? I mean you had stuff in ANH like Han chasing after the Stormtroopers only to end up in a room full of them and had to run the other way. Or after the Death Star escape, Han is proud of himself and Leia essentially calls him a dumbass. The only reason it didn't look like it does in TLJ is because there were more men than women. Imagine the movies as if Luke was actually Lucia? Or Mon Mothma had a bigger role. Or if they switched the Lando and Thandie Newton characters for ESB. Also, forgot how we got on this, but last of this. Wrong place.
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Post by summers8 on Apr 13, 2018 16:08:00 GMT
I ll just have to wait for deadpool and dark Phoniex Right because Deadpool is so "mature" Satire comedy. have you seen Kick Ass. one of the best comic films no one in the media likes to talk about. There is no comparison between kick ass and deadpool to gtog and avengers and all can be called comedy.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 13, 2018 16:44:30 GMT
Right because Deadpool is so "mature" There is no comparison between kick ass and deadpool to gtog and avengers and all can be called comedy. Yeah, GOTG's is intelligent while Kick-Ass and DP are one-trick ponies.
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