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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 9, 2018 14:59:25 GMT
Better stay away from Empire Strikes Back from the Star Wars franchise. Jokes all over that one (and it's the "dark" one in the OT). There is always room for humor and of course a good way to include it....like Marvel does. There is nothing inherently inferior about humor despite that assertion from hipsters over the years. speaking of empire, do you want to know the reason last jedi pissed many people off? it was like a marvel movie than a star wars movie. People were pissed off at TLJ because they didn't get what they wanted. They wanted Luke to be this all powerful Jedi hero like they "remember" from their youth. They wanted Ackbar in charge instead of a bunch of women. They didn't want a bunch of women in the movie at all. They wanted Snoke to be the new Emperor. They wanted Rey to be the daughter of Luke Skywalker Or Leia or granddaughter of Obi Wan or Palpatine. Or just someone important to the main characters. They wanted all the theories they had in their head to come true.
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Post by harpospoke on Apr 9, 2018 17:14:55 GMT
speaking of empire, do you want to know the reason last jedi pissed many people off? it was like a marvel movie than a star wars movie. People were pissed off at TLJ because they didn't get what they wanted. They wanted Luke to be this all powerful Jedi hero like they "remember" from their youth. They wanted Ackbar in charge instead of a bunch of women. They didn't want a bunch of women in the movie at all. They wanted Snoke to be the new Emperor. They wanted Rey to be the daughter of Luke Skywalker Or Leia or granddaughter of Obi Wan or Palpatine. Or just someone important to the main characters. They wanted all the theories they had in their head to come true. First part is true but not the way your worded it. Fans wanted a good movie and didn't get it. Fans just didn't want them to flush all the old characters down the toilet in favor of the new characters. The franchise is huge because of the Luke, Leia, Han, and Chewy characters. That's why TFA and TLJ were made in the first place. Inventing a new weak, cowardly, bitter "Luke" because you want to make Rey the new hero is going to piss people off. Making Chewy a minor character who apparently was only there to hang out with the new toys is going to piss people off. (Leia didn't even hug Chewy after Han was killed...she went to Rey instead!) Nothing wrong with being pissed off about that one. It is true that fans had a lot of theories about Rey. That was necessary because she was good at everything for no reason. There had to be a backstory there to explain that. She didn't have to be a Skywalker or Kenobi....just something needed to be there to explain it. I was one of the defenders after TFA. But now...Rey is a Mary Sue. There is no backstory for her to explain why she is better than Kylo Ren with no training. In TFA I told people that he was hurt and was having to hold back in the fight. But in TLJ...she is just flat out better than him. ...A guy who was trained by Luke for years and she is better with almost no training. Nothing wrong with being pissed off about that. Mary Sues are not interesting characters. Sci Fi fans obviously have no problem with strong female characters. That is just a SJW tactic to make excuses for why fans didn't like SJW agendas in TLJ. Ripley, Sarah Conner...and Leia are some of the biggest Sci Fi characters in history and male fans love them. Leia was always a strong character. That bothered exactly no one. That's because Lucas was able to do that without making Luke, Chewy, and Han into weak characters to make her look strong. That's what they did in TLJ. Every male character is an idiot or a weakling. Poe and Finn were promising characters after TFA but in TLJ they were reduced to window dressing. There is nothing wrong with being pissed off about that either. Inserting a sub plot into the movie that does nothing for the plot? ...That appears to be there just to wedge in more Liberal Porn? "Rich people are evil" "Animal rights" Yeah...that sort of nonsense will get noticed and there is nothing wrong with being pissed off about that.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 9, 2018 17:49:20 GMT
People were pissed off at TLJ because they didn't get what they wanted. They wanted Luke to be this all powerful Jedi hero like they "remember" from their youth. They wanted Ackbar in charge instead of a bunch of women. They didn't want a bunch of women in the movie at all. They wanted Snoke to be the new Emperor. They wanted Rey to be the daughter of Luke Skywalker Or Leia or granddaughter of Obi Wan or Palpatine. Or just someone important to the main characters. They wanted all the theories they had in their head to come true. Inserting a sub plot into the movie that does nothing for the plot? ...That appears to be there just to wedge in more Liberal Porn? "Rich people are evil" "Animal rights" Yeah...that sort of nonsense will get noticed and there is nothing wrong with being pissed off about that. I don't want to get into an argument over the other stuff, but the Canto Bright thing wasn't just about that. If they hadn't brought DJ back with them, he'd never have ratted them out to the First Order and told the First Order about the real Resistance Plan. The entire final showdown on the planet was the result of them bringing DJ to the First Order.
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 9, 2018 19:10:09 GMT
People were pissed off at TLJ because they didn't get what they wanted. They wanted Luke to be this all powerful Jedi hero like they "remember" from their youth. They wanted Ackbar in charge instead of a bunch of women. They didn't want a bunch of women in the movie at all. They wanted Snoke to be the new Emperor. They wanted Rey to be the daughter of Luke Skywalker Or Leia or granddaughter of Obi Wan or Palpatine. Or just someone important to the main characters. They wanted all the theories they had in their head to come true. First part is true but not the way your worded it. Fans wanted a good movie and didn't get it. Fans just didn't want them to flush all the old characters down the toilet in favor of the new characters. The franchise is huge because of the Luke, Leia, Han, and Chewy characters. That's why TFA and TLJ were made in the first place. Inventing a new weak, cowardly, bitter "Luke" because you want to make Rey the new hero is going to piss people off. Making Chewy a minor character who apparently was only there to hang out with the new toys is going to piss people off. (Leia didn't even hug Chewy after Han was killed...she went to Rey instead!) Nothing wrong with being pissed off about that one. It is true that fans had a lot of theories about Rey. That was necessary because she was good at everything for no reason. There had to be a backstory there to explain that. She didn't have to be a Skywalker or Kenobi....just something needed to be there to explain it. I was one of the defenders after TFA. But now...Rey is a Mary Sue. There is no backstory for her to explain why she is better than Kylo Ren with no training. In TFA I told people that he was hurt and was having to hold back in the fight. But in TLJ...she is just flat out better than him. ...A guy who was trained by Luke for years and she is better with almost no training. Nothing wrong with being pissed off about that. Mary Sues are not interesting characters. Sci Fi fans obviously have no problem with strong female characters. That is just a SJW tactic to make excuses for why fans didn't like SJW agendas in TLJ. Ripley, Sarah Conner...and Leia are some of the biggest Sci Fi characters in history and male fans love them. Leia was always a strong character. That bothered exactly no one. That's because Lucas was able to do that without making Luke, Chewy, and Han into weak characters to make her look strong. That's what they did in TLJ. Every male character is an idiot or a weakling. Poe and Finn were promising characters after TFA but in TLJ they were reduced to window dressing. There is nothing wrong with being pissed off about that either. Inserting a sub plot into the movie that does nothing for the plot? ...That appears to be there just to wedge in more Liberal Porn? "Rich people are evil" "Animal rights" Yeah...that sort of nonsense will get noticed and there is nothing wrong with being pissed off about that. Cowardly? He wasn't weak or cowardly. He was resigned to the fact that a second go at something that failed the same way again in the past 50+ years is not a good idea. They didn't give Chewy a medal in ANH either. You still upset about that? They explained why she was "good" (if you want to call it that) for no reason. She was an avatar for the Force that was using her to balance out the Dark Side taking over. She had no Force sensitivities before it was awakened in her. She was literally created as a Mary Sue by the Force. And she wasn't good at everything, she was just became powerful in the Force. She had her skills as a scavenger. That's what we saw her being good at outside of the Force. Other than that she was an Avatar the Force was using to get her through. If she would have died there would have been another "Rey" popping up and being led to whoever is fighting the Dark Side next. The Force can also augment what you already have. Rey knows how to fight with a melee weapon. Have we ever seen Luke fighting with a melee weapon prior to training with Yoda? We see him Force training with a remote droid blocking lasers. We see Rey using her staff in TFA before she is awakened. Why does that suddenly go away because she is now holding a lightsaber? You take an already accomplished swordsman and give him the Force, he'd be one of the greatest fighters ever. Also, Kylo Ren was trained by Luke. Luke is not a good fighter or a beacon of a good Jedi. He was taught just enough so he can survive against Vader and Palpatine long enough to either luckily kill Vader or turn him. But none of those female characters are actually strong like this character. Rey is essentially Jean Grey with confidence. Leia had attitude and moxie. She was still behind Luke and Han in the character hierarchy. If Conner and Ripley had the Force or an equivalent, do you think you would be listing them? Neither of them was even the driving force of their movies until the very end of their 1st movies. Hell, was Ripley the driving force of Aliens? Was Conner a driving force of T2? Does doing pull ups on an upended bed and shooting guns mean she's now a strong character? Lucas didn't make Luke and Han look weak to make Leia look stronger? Don't you remember in ANH when they went to save her and she grabbed the gun away from them while yelling how incompetent they were? Then she kept giving Han a dressing down and he mumbled how there wasn't enough money for what he was getting from her? Hell, almost every scene Leia was in in ANH she was telling everyone that they were dumbasses. And Finn and Poe being "window dressing" is that problem for people. The hierarchy shifted. The Leia character is the actual top dog now with Luke and Han behind her. The movies are about "Leia" and not "Luke" now. Imagine if Padme was a fellow Jedi in the prequels and the lead of that trilogy (instead of Obi Wan) with Anakin as the build-a-villain that Kylo is. People would hate that trilogy even more. Even with her having training. And that subplot said "You are wrong, little girl." All her talk of "rich people are evil" and he shows her that the Resistance was a part of that machine. Well, anyway, this is the wrong board for this.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Apr 9, 2018 19:30:06 GMT
So um how many times is it going to happen. well I know Avengers is the second funniest and most shallow franchise in MCU after GOTG but it has war at the end. so why comedy and action again. we are not over thor 3 been comedy. War requires action yes, but we are not talking of LOTR type of action, we are talking of destroying the world Loki type of action. why are all mcu first reactions, comedy and action. where is story telling, where is drama, where is depth? Why can't they be like Logan or DOFP. the first reactions were , drama, serious, compelling, emotional, great performances from the actors? What you are describing is the Marvel formula. It has brain or brand washed the masses including the critics. Have you not noticed that the rhetoric the critics use sounds the same as the rhetoric the fanatics use? Read the criticisms and read the fan critiques. They're sounding more and more the same all the time.
On the other hand, how can one complain? The formula works. People like what they see. WE are the ones feeding the machine. Black Panther just beat Star Wars the Last Jedi, and Avengers: Infinity War will beat Solo: A Star Wars Story, no doubt. MCU reigns supreme... until the masses get hip.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 9, 2018 20:17:40 GMT
So basically everyone hates Infinity War, and it will flop.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 11, 2018 12:01:30 GMT
As I said, first 24 minutes is the build up part not the action.its pretty hard to get depth in mcu because depth is not allowed. mickey rouke confirmed it in iron man 2. no lies. here. cant argue with facts. What facts? All actors want is their part to get attention Rourke screwed himself over. He was incredible in the 80s. I loved Angel Heart. Then he quit to box. 1991-1994 he boxed. You might sell your story to millenials, but I am 8 yrs younger than Rourke-old enough to actually remember his career going down in flames. And even when he managed to revive his career with Sin City and the Wrestler he still hasn't managed to stay relevant.
Compare him to how RDJ turned his life around and rebuilt his career. Mainly by NEVER being a Diva.
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Post by DSDSquared on Apr 11, 2018 15:49:44 GMT
Look, no matter how much you twist other's words and believe that you're in the majority you're not convincing anyone. no offence but....... what I am saying is facts.dark phoenix was written as greek tragedy. tye said it will be drama. infinity war is confirmed comedy from early reactions. You are pathetic. Seriously. It is sad. How were the early reactions to Apocalypse? You know, the movie that no MCU movie is worse than.
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Post by DSDSquared on Apr 11, 2018 15:52:11 GMT
So the same old same old certified fresh billion dollar making movies? Sounds good to me. MCU= still winning! DCEU and X-Men= still losing. No MCU movie will ever surpass Logan, Deadpool and DOFP in quality, depth, film making and artistry. cinema is loosing thanks to mcu movies. Give me a break. Deadpool was great, but it was not near deep or 'artistry'. Winter Soldier was better than all three of those movies.
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Post by DSDSquared on Apr 11, 2018 15:56:59 GMT
Better stay away from Empire Strikes Back from the Star Wars franchise. Jokes all over that one (and it's the "dark" one in the OT). There is always room for humor and of course a good way to include it....like Marvel does. There is nothing inherently inferior about humor despite that assertion from hipsters over the years. speaking of empire, do you want to know the reason last jedi pissed many people off? it was like a marvel movie than a star wars movie. You just hate success. That is all it is. The MCU is the most critically and financially successful franchise of all time. It has surpassed even the most optimistic fans expectations. Infinity War will probably be one of the highest grossing movies ever and be raved about by critics and audiences alike. Aquaman will be trash just like Justice League, just like Batman vs Superman, and just like Suicide Squad. Somehow, you will still be on here, spouting your pathetic troll nonsense.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Apr 11, 2018 17:06:07 GMT
James Gunn wrote all the dialogue for the guardians. Kinda hoping he won't give us a raccoon poop joke again. dude, are are dangerously close to stealing my raccoon turd material here. Not that that would give me sensitive nipples in any way, but we can't y'all be Merry Poopins, bitch. Try me again, and yo will get a dance off and a squishy turd in your pillow, turd blossom.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Apr 11, 2018 17:09:35 GMT
No MCU movie will ever surpass Logan, Deadpool and DOFP in quality, depth, film making and artistry. cinema is loosing thanks to mcu movies. Give me a break. Deadpool was great, but it was not near deep or 'artistry'. Winter Soldier was better than all three of those movies. Winter Soldier was a blatant Star Wars rip off. Logan wipes ass with Winter Soldier, there is not even a discussion about that.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 11, 2018 17:16:09 GMT
Give me a break. Deadpool was great, but it was not near deep or 'artistry'. Winter Soldier was better than all three of those movies. Winter Soldier was a blatant Star Wars rip off. Logan wipes ass with Winter Soldier, there is not even a discussion about that.
All Logan had going for it was cursing, blood and no one being willing to critique Stewart and Jackmans' last time in the saddle. It was predictable as all Hell from start to finish.
Winter Soldier was were using elements of the comics that predate Star Wars, especially seeing how without Marvel there'd be no Star Wars. Do your homework.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 11, 2018 17:17:02 GMT
James Gunn wrote all the dialogue for the guardians. Kinda hoping he won't give us a raccoon poop joke again. dude, are are dangerously close to stealing my raccoon turd material here. Not that that would give me sensitive nipples in any way, but we can't y'all be Merry Poopins, bitch. Try me again, and yo will get a dance off and a squishy turd in your pillow, turd blossom. This, coming from the guy who loves a movie that relied on Ape Poop to work. At least GOTG didn't make turds vital to the plot.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Apr 11, 2018 17:26:57 GMT
Winter Soldier was a blatant Star Wars rip off. Logan wipes ass with Winter Soldier, there is not even a discussion about that.
Winter Soldier was were using elements of the comics that predate Star Wars, especially seeing how without Marvel there'd be no Star Wars. Do your homework.
You are lying without proof again. So tell:
- infiltration of special justice organization like Jedi/Shield by teh bad guys Sith/Hydra, and then launch a sudden Order 66 purge destroying it, and forcing the heros into underground too fight it. Which Cap comic was that again? - Mace Windu, uh Sam jackson, uh Nick Fury being assassinated in the purge - when did that happen again? - Vader uh WiSo showing his masked identit revealed to be a friend who must be fought and redeemed back to the light side. Where was this copied from again?
Funny fact is that the best and most mature-in-tone MCU film is just a weak, stake-less rip off of a vastly superior franchise. Sad.
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Post by charzhino on Apr 11, 2018 17:26:58 GMT
All Logan had going for it was the deeper adult story not afraid to show the lows a hero can reach without pulling punches, a better paced and expressive script than anything the MCU has produced which was rewarded with Best Adapted Screenplay nom, an ending which weve never seen before in a CBM more gripping than anything preceeding it and a film not watered down by constant one phrased punchlines, reductive humour and Beyonce jokes. Fixed
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Apr 11, 2018 17:32:36 GMT
dude, are are dangerously close to stealing my raccoon turd material here. Not that that would give me sensitive nipples in any way, but we can't y'all be Merry Poopins, bitch. Try me again, and yo will get a dance off and a squishy turd in your pillow, turd blossom. This, coming from the guy who loves a movie that relied on Ape Poop to work. At least GOTG didn't make turds vital to the plot. the plot was the turd, turd blossom. At least War did not make it's plot a turd.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 11, 2018 17:38:23 GMT
[/p] - infiltration of special justice organization like Jedi/Shield by teh bad guys Sith/Hydra, and then launch a sudden Order 66 purge destroying it, and forcing the heros into underground too fight it. Which Cap comic was that again? [/quote] Captain America No More, 1987. All the time in the comics. It's why they came up with the LMD gimmick. Super Patriot Being driven insane by Red Skull, made to fight Cap until Cap snaps him out of it. Superior to the Prequels.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 11, 2018 17:45:54 GMT
All Logan had going for it was blood, cursing and no one being willing to critique Jackman and Stewarts' last time in the saddle. Everything was predictable, from the other X-Men being shafted, to Xavier and Logan both dying. Nothing new. It got the nom out of pity. Fixed Agreed.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 11, 2018 17:46:24 GMT
This, coming from the guy who loves a movie that relied on Ape Poop to work. At least GOTG didn't make turds vital to the plot. At least War did not make it's plot a turd. It did, if you actually watched the movie. The whole plot hinged on Ape Poo. GOTG2 has a better plot for not making poo a part of it, you're just too thin-skinned to accept natural dialog instead of fluff.
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