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Post by vegalyra on May 15, 2018 14:13:49 GMT
Pros: The Trade Federation and the Senate debates (this alone could have made for a much deeper film, wish that the political maneuvering was more fully explored) Darth Maul Liam Neeson Ewan McGregor Pod Race Cons: It all goes downhill from here. Attack of the Clones is one of the worst films of all time. The mechanized army near the end. Jar Jar The scene of the gradually larger underwater creatures eating each other in the background. I was at the first screening of this film in Houston, it was a midnight showing. The anticipation was unbelievable. We even had a person come out and introduce the film before it first hit the screen. Lots of applause at the 20th Century Fox opening. Almost like a bad acid trip when everyone was leaving. No applause at the end. We seriously waited 16 years for this? Or maybe it's because it was like 3am, derp. I saw The Dark Knight at midnight and people shuffled out the same way. Also, there's no "gradually larger creatures." It's just one big creature who follows them and eats the other two. Sounds good, your input has been invaluable.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 15, 2018 14:25:41 GMT
Or maybe it's because it was like 3am, derp. I saw The Dark Knight at midnight and people shuffled out the same way. Also, there's no "gradually larger creatures." It's just one big creature who follows them and eats the other two. Sounds good, your input has been invaluable. Hey, thanks! Sometimes it just helps to have a different perspective to rise above one's own immersion in Internet hipster bullshit consensus. Happy to help out. Say, you ever visit the MCU boards...?
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Post by vegalyra on May 15, 2018 14:30:35 GMT
Sounds good, your input has been invaluable. Hey, thanks! Sometimes it just helps to have a different perspective to rise above one's own immersion in Internet hipster bullshit consensus. Happy to help out. Say, you ever visit the MCU boards...? Not particularly. Should I?
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 15, 2018 14:32:56 GMT
Hey, thanks! Sometimes it just helps to have a different perspective to rise above one's own immersion in Internet hipster bullshit consensus. Happy to help out. Say, you ever visit the MCU boards...? Not particularly. Should I? lol, not unless you like petty squabbling and nonsense. You might enjoy the Star Wars boards on here, though. Check those out!
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Post by vegalyra on May 15, 2018 14:38:22 GMT
Not particularly. Should I? lol, not unless you like petty squabbling and nonsense. You might enjoy the Star Wars boards on here, though. Check those out! Nah, i'm not much into arguing about things. I was just relaying my viewership experience from a foggy memory that was almost 20 years ago. I appreciate your correction on the sea creature. I will hold fast though to my other recollection as even if it was really early in the morning, I don't think too many people walked away happy from that midnight screening.
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Post by Jedan Archer on May 15, 2018 14:40:14 GMT
Pros: Cons: -I like Liam Neeson, but Qui-Gon is a pointless character who subtracts from the Obi-Wan/Anakin relationship Just bc you cannot make out points does not mean they are not there!
1. Qui Gon was the father figure child-Anakin needed, Qui Gons untimely death was another tragic loss for the boy who had developed fully-formed attachments, and who needed parent figures. Instead Anakin got an (inexperienced) brother in Obi Wan, who failed in properly training him - and Palpatine who became his true father figure. The rest is history.
2. Qui Gon served as the represenatitve of the concepts of the Living Force vs the Cosmic Force, the first Jedi who (subtly) became a Force ghost and communicated with the living (as seen in Ep II and III).
3. He is the central protagonist, his death foreshaddows Order 66 and the "Nobody can kill a Jedi - I wish that were so" notion, showing that the Jedi are not superheroes but mortal beings.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 15, 2018 14:47:14 GMT
lol, not unless you like petty squabbling and nonsense. You might enjoy the Star Wars boards on here, though. Check those out! Nah, i'm not much into arguing about things. I was just relaying my viewership experience from a foggy memory that was almost 20 years ago. I appreciate your correction on the sea creature. I will hold fast though to my other recollection as even if it was really early in the morning, I don't think too many people walked away happy from that midnight screening. I mean, I loved the flick. I think the hate it's gotten for nearly the last two decades is outrageous. It's a fine little sci-fi fantasy piece that gives us a really unique look at the tail end of a time period I personally want to know more about, deepens and broadens the Star Wars mythology, sets up the next five movies, and affords the Saga a lot of thematic and narrative symmetry. That said: one can very much gauge the success of a (blockbuster franchise series) film on the performance of its sequel, and sadly Attack of the Clones was the lowest grossing of the series and the only one not to break a billion bucks adjusted for inflation. So, take from that whatever you want to extrapolate.
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Post by vegalyra on May 15, 2018 14:54:14 GMT
Nah, i'm not much into arguing about things. I was just relaying my viewership experience from a foggy memory that was almost 20 years ago. I appreciate your correction on the sea creature. I will hold fast though to my other recollection as even if it was really early in the morning, I don't think too many people walked away happy from that midnight screening. I mean, I loved the flick. I think the hate it's gotten for nearly the last decades is outrageous. It's a fine little sci-fi fantasy piece that gives us a really unique look at the tail end of a time period I personally want to know more about, deepens and broadens the Star Wars mythology, sets up the next five movies, and affords the Saga a lot of thematic and narrative symmetry. That said: one can very much gauge the success of a (blockbuster franchise series) film on the performance of its sequel, and sadly Attack of the Clones was the lowest grossing of the series and the only one not to break a billion bucks adjusted for inflation. So, take from that whatever you want to extrapolate. Well, I think by now everyone knows my opinion about the prequels. I have to admit that a much more serious travesty however were the special editions of IV, V, VI (particularly VI) that Lucas inflicted on his one time fans. That being said, I was always a much, much, bigger fan of the Indiana Jones films than the Star Wars films growing up.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 15, 2018 15:06:38 GMT
I mean, I loved the flick. I think the hate it's gotten for nearly the last decades is outrageous. It's a fine little sci-fi fantasy piece that gives us a really unique look at the tail end of a time period I personally want to know more about, deepens and broadens the Star Wars mythology, sets up the next five movies, and affords the Saga a lot of thematic and narrative symmetry. That said: one can very much gauge the success of a (blockbuster franchise series) film on the performance of its sequel, and sadly Attack of the Clones was the lowest grossing of the series and the only one not to break a billion bucks adjusted for inflation. So, take from that whatever you want to extrapolate. Well, I think by now everyone knows my opinion about the prequels. I have to admit that a much more serious travesty however were the special editions of IV, V, VI (particularly VI) that Lucas inflicted on his one time fans. That being said, I was always a much, much, bigger fan of the Indiana Jones films than the Star Wars films growing up. Do you think it would've been better if he'd released the Specials, say, two or so years AFTER the prequels instead of before? Like May 2007? Or you just dislike on principle the idea of him tinkering with them in attempt to afford them greater visual cohesion with the prequels? That's fine too. That's the (most optimistic outlook on the) philosophical approach Disney took, and many people prefer it: instead of retrofitting the old to suit the new, they have done the opposite. I think the results have been hit or miss on that score, with Rogue One being the most effective. But I digress... I'm gonna take a wild leap and assume you hated Kingdom of the Crystal Skull?
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Post by cjh8504 on May 15, 2018 15:08:24 GMT
It's ok to drink while on these boards, mw, but you should make sure you're completely sober before posting anything. I don't drink and like I said, the haters are full of it. Why is it so hard for you to imagine that other people might have a completely view of this film than you? But to call it the greatest movie of all time is a little bit of an exaggeration, mw.
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Post by vegalyra on May 15, 2018 15:23:38 GMT
Well, I think by now everyone knows my opinion about the prequels. I have to admit that a much more serious travesty however were the special editions of IV, V, VI (particularly VI) that Lucas inflicted on his one time fans. That being said, I was always a much, much, bigger fan of the Indiana Jones films than the Star Wars films growing up. Do you think it would've been better if he'd released the Specials, say, two or so years AFTER the prequels instead of before? Like May 2007? Or you just dislike on principle the idea of him tinkering with them in attempt to afford them greater visual cohesion with the prequels? That's fine too. That's the (most optimistic outlook on the) philosophical approach Disney took, and many people prefer it: instead of retrofitting the old to suit the new, they have done the opposite. I think the results have been hit or miss on that score, with Rogue One being the most effective. But I digress... I'm gonna take a wild leap and assume you hated Kingdom of the Crystal Skull? I have to agree that Rogue One is the strongest of the Disney Star Wars films. I still have mixed opinions about the other two (particularly Last Jedi). I will be seeing Solo soon. I'm not sure about the release dates of the Special Editions. VI was very painful to sit through, especially the additional content and modifications in Jabba's throne room. I actually didn't mind the closing scenes of VI outside of the placement of young Anakin with Yoda and Obi Wan. I actually didn't hate Kingdom of the Crystal Skull outside of the Tarzan like action towards the end with LaBeouf. It's definitely not my favorite of the Indiana Jones films but in a limited fashion I prefer it to Temple of Doom. I was a little miffed when we were promised limited CGI and large portions of the film were a CGI love fest.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2018 15:25:49 GMT
I don't drink and like I said, the haters are full of it. Why is it so hard for you to imagine that other people might have a completely view of this film than you? But to call it the greatest movie of all time is a little bit of an exaggeration, mw. Well in my opinion, and if you take The Phantom Menace and and compare to the all the films that called the greatest films of all time, I think The Phantom Menace is much more deserving of that title. I also have completely different standards and a completely different criteria compared to most people what makes a good film for me, so I just thought I point that out as well.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 15, 2018 16:20:54 GMT
Do you think it would've been better if he'd released the Specials, say, two or so years AFTER the prequels instead of before? Like May 2007? Or you just dislike on principle the idea of him tinkering with them in attempt to afford them greater visual cohesion with the prequels? That's fine too. That's the (most optimistic outlook on the) philosophical approach Disney took, and many people prefer it: instead of retrofitting the old to suit the new, they have done the opposite. I think the results have been hit or miss on that score, with Rogue One being the most effective. But I digress... I'm gonna take a wild leap and assume you hated Kingdom of the Crystal Skull? I have to agree that Rogue One is the strongest of the Disney Star Wars films. I still have mixed opinions about the other two (particularly Last Jedi). I will be seeing Solo soon. I'm not sure about the release dates of the Special Editions. VI was very painful to sit through, especially the additional content and modifications in Jabba's throne room. I actually didn't mind the closing scenes of VI outside of the placement of young Anakin with Yoda and Obi Wan. I actually didn't hate Kingdom of the Crystal Skull outside of the Tarzan like action towards the end with LaBeouf. It's definitely not my favorite of the Indiana Jones films but in a limited fashion I prefer it to Temple of Doom. I was a little miffed when we were promised limited CGI and large portions of the film were a CGI love fest. The Jabba stuff, particularly Jedi Rocks, sucks utterly. I'm okay with Special Edition Sarlaac and Hayden being at the end, but I mostly get why people disliked those changes. The stuff with the monkeys was mildly amusing the first time I saw it and pretty fucking stupid every time after that. But on the whole I really enjoyed it. I thought the CGI was tasteful, particularly at the end. But of course there's considerably more than the previous installments, so I understand the visual disconnect for fans of the other three.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on May 15, 2018 16:25:25 GMT
Unpopular opinion: The Special Editions never bothered me.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 15, 2018 16:28:51 GMT
Unpopular opinion: The Special Editions never bothered me. IV never bothered me, even Greedo and Jabba. I think SE Empire is the SUPERIOR version. Jedi... meh, like I said above, I wasn't crazy about the stuff inside Jabba's palace. I liked the stuff at the end a lot.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on May 15, 2018 16:30:59 GMT
Unpopular opinion: The Special Editions never bothered me. IV never bothered me, even Greedo and Jabba. I think SE Empire is the SUPERIOR version. Jedi... meh, like I said above, I wasn't crazy about the stuff inside Jabba's palace. I liked the stuff at the end a lot. To this day, I still don't understand why everyone else is so pissed off about it.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 15, 2018 16:37:11 GMT
IV never bothered me, even Greedo and Jabba. I think SE Empire is the SUPERIOR version. Jedi... meh, like I said above, I wasn't crazy about the stuff inside Jabba's palace. I liked the stuff at the end a lot. To this day, I still don't understand why everyone else is so pissed off about it. Yeah, right? Its existence never ENRAGED ME like so many others. I saw all of them in the theaters and loved them at the time.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on May 15, 2018 16:41:32 GMT
To this day, I still don't understand why everyone else is so pissed off about it. Yeah, right? Its existence never ENRAGED ME like so many others. I saw all of them in the theaters and loved them at the time. They are just movies. They are not real. People act like it's sacrilege or something, which still wouldn't matter, because religion is just as fake as the movies are. It almost makes me want to go all William Shatner on them!
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Post by ravi02 on May 15, 2018 17:18:16 GMT
For those were around in the late 90s, remember the hype for this? Huge. Then the sinking feeling when finally seeing it. Oh yes! I recall every teasing bit (like the teaser trailer, behind the scenes photos, the actual trailer) being eagerly anticipated and this being the early days of the Internet, we all followed every bit of detail. There were toys, video games (played Episode I: Racer on N64), posters, novelizations and merchandising tie-ins to all keep the hype going.
Yeah the actual film was...a mixed bag, but it was a fun event to be around.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on May 15, 2018 17:21:38 GMT
For those were around in the late 90s, remember the hype for this? Huge. Then the sinking feeling when finally seeing it. Oh yes! I recall every teasing bit (like the teaser trailer, behind the scenes photos, the actual trailer) being eagerly anticipated and this being the early days of the Internet, we all followed every bit of detail. There were toys, video games (played Episode I: Racer on N64), posters, novelizations and merchandising tie-ins to all keep the hype going.
Yeah the actual film was...a mixed bag, but it was a fun event to be around.
I recorded the trailer ( on VHS! ) when our FOX affiliate aired it during the local news, so I could watch it over and over again!
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