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Post by plasma on May 15, 2018 18:03:22 GMT
Pros: Score A few of the lightsabers duels were cool. I liked the podrasting scenes. Saw it as a kid, so "nostalgia".
Cons: Way too much to name.
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Post by cjh8504 on May 15, 2018 18:14:00 GMT
But to call it the greatest movie of all time is a little bit of an exaggeration, mw. Well in my opinion, and if you take The Phantom Menace and and compare to the all the films that called the greatest films of all time, I think The Phantom Menace is much more deserving of that title. I also have completely different standards and a completely different criteria compared to most people what makes a good film for me, so I just thought I point that out as well. Fair enough, mw.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 15, 2018 20:47:49 GMT
Oh yes! I recall every teasing bit (like the teaser trailer, behind the scenes photos, the actual trailer) being eagerly anticipated and this being the early days of the Internet, we all followed every bit of detail. There were toys, video games (played Episode I: Racer on N64), posters, novelizations and merchandising tie-ins to all keep the hype going.
Yeah the actual film was...a mixed bag, but it was a fun event to be around.
I recorded the trailer ( on VHS! ) when the our FOX affiliate aired it during the local news, so I could watch it over and over again! I remember waiting for hours for this shitty little QuickTime version of the trailer to download. It was like grainy AF and all of two square inches on my screen.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on May 15, 2018 20:48:47 GMT
I recorded the trailer ( on VHS! ) when the our FOX affiliate aired it during the local news, so I could watch it over and over again! I remember waiting for hours for this shitty little QuickTime version of the trailer to download. It was like grainy AF and all of two square inches on my screen. GIVE COLDEN THE VHS RECORDER !!!!!!!!!!5!!
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Post by President Ackbar™ on May 15, 2018 20:58:02 GMT
You know, speaking of The Phantom Menace, did you notice how AIW ripped off the whole Gungan Energy Shield battle scene?
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Post by moviebuffbrad on May 15, 2018 21:00:51 GMT
Pros: Cons: -I like Liam Neeson, but Qui-Gon is a pointless character who subtracts from the Obi-Wan/Anakin relationship Just bc you cannot make out points does not mean they are not there!
1. Qui Gon was the father figure child-Anakin needed, Qui Gons untimely death was another tragic loss for the boy who had developed fully-formed attachments, and who needed parent figures. Instead Anakin got an (inexperienced) brother in Obi Wan, who failed in properly training him - and Palpatine who became his true father figure. The rest is history.
2. Qui Gon served as the represenatitve of the concepts of the Living Force vs the Cosmic Force, the first Jedi who (subtly) became a Force ghost and communicated with the living (as seen in Ep II and III).
3. He is the central protagonist, his death foreshaddows Order 66 and the "Nobody can kill a Jedi - I wish that were so" notion, showing that the Jedi are not superheroes but mortal beings.
1. And if he hadn't existed and Anakin never had a father figure at all, I'm sure he would have gravitated toward Palpatine even harder. 2. Why couldn't "Ki Adi Mundi" or "Kitt Fisto" do that? Why did it have to be the guy who robbed the Obi-Wan and Anakin relationship of any heart? 3. The f**k are you smoking? Qui-Gon is talking to the guy who "hunted down and destroyed the Jedi Knights". Did you forget there were three movies before this? I'm glad Lucas snuck in an important lesson for the three year olds who didn't know what Star Wars was and would grow up to be blinded by nostalgia for the prequels, but to everyone else, crafting a trilogy around Obi-Wan and Anakin and wasting an entire entry on a decoy protagonist is moronic. II and III are lesser movies because of it. Btw, you're forgetting the fourth and most important point: Lucas likes poetry because it rhymes. He stuck a wise mentor character in to be killed because that's what happened in A New Hope. Spoilers in case you still haven't seen it.
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Post by Jedan Archer on May 15, 2018 22:20:33 GMT
Just bc you cannot make out points does not mean they are not there!
1. Qui Gon was the father figure child-Anakin needed, Qui Gons untimely death was another tragic loss for the boy who had developed fully-formed attachments, and who needed parent figures. Instead Anakin got an (inexperienced) brother in Obi Wan, who failed in properly training him - and Palpatine who became his true father figure. The rest is history.
2. Qui Gon served as the represenatitve of the concepts of the Living Force vs the Cosmic Force, the first Jedi who (subtly) became a Force ghost and communicated with the living (as seen in Ep II and III).
3. He is the central protagonist, his death foreshaddows Order 66 and the "Nobody can kill a Jedi - I wish that were so" notion, showing that the Jedi are not superheroes but mortal beings.
1. And if he hadn't existed and Anakin never had a father figure at all, I'm sure he would have gravitated toward Palpatine even harder. 2. Why couldn't "Ki Adi Mundi" or "Kitt Fisto" do that? Why did it have to be the guy who robbed the Obi-Wan and Anakin relationship of any heart? 3. The f**k are you smoking? Qui-Gon is talking to the guy who "hunted down and destroyed the Jedi Knights". Did you forget there were three movies before this? I'm glad Lucas snuck in an important lesson for the three year olds who didn't know what Star Wars was and would grow up to be blinded by nostalgia for the prequels, but to everyone else, crafting a trilogy around Obi-Wan and Anakin and wasting an entire entry on a decoy protagonist is moronic. II and III are lesser movies because of it. Btw, you're forgetting the fourth and most important point: Lucas likes poetry because it rhymes. He stuck a wise mentor character in to be killed because that's what happened in A New Hope. Spoilers in case you still haven't seen it. So, you finally are accepting the point of the character. But shift goalposts towards you knowing better than Lucas, one of the best and nuanced storytellers in Hollywood. Fair enough. As melodramatic as nonsensical a statement. But when you speak of heart, I wonder too if you have watched the OT properly? In there Obi Wan was busy needlessly lying to Luke to pit the kid against his own father without Luke knowing. Worse, in Empire Obi will not even tell the truth when Luke rushes into Vader's trap (probably so not to spoil the shock, what a teacher!). And in Jedi he becomes hypocritical - from a certain point of view - about his lie and still insists on Luke killing his daddy (ignoring Yoda's peaceful Force teachings). In view of that, I wonder what convinced you that there must have been more "heart" than what we saw in the PT and TCW show? Maybe because an old liar looking like Santa claimed they were friends before, but now full-fledged patricide is on - and you were a gullible kid when you saw it last? If you have any further questions about Star Wars, do not hesitate to contact me. Always glad to help aspiring fans.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2018 23:11:52 GMT
You know, speaking of The Phantom Menace, did you notice how AIW ripped off the whole Gungan Energy Shield battle scene? YES! I was getting Episode One flashbacks the entire scene!
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Post by Popeye Doyle on May 15, 2018 23:16:30 GMT
You know, speaking of The Phantom Menace, did you notice how AIW ripped off the whole Gungan Energy Shield battle scene? YES! I was getting Episode One flashbacks the entire scene! Meesa have no infinity stones here! Jar Jar stopping a punch from Thanos ends up horrific.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on May 15, 2018 23:18:51 GMT
YES! I was getting Episode One flashbacks the entire scene! Meesa have no infinity stones here! Jar Jar stopping a punch from Thanos ends up horrific. Steady...
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Post by moviebuffbrad on May 15, 2018 23:33:53 GMT
1. And if he hadn't existed and Anakin never had a father figure at all, I'm sure he would have gravitated toward Palpatine even harder. 2. Why couldn't "Ki Adi Mundi" or "Kitt Fisto" do that? Why did it have to be the guy who robbed the Obi-Wan and Anakin relationship of any heart? 3. The f**k are you smoking? Qui-Gon is talking to the guy who "hunted down and destroyed the Jedi Knights". Did you forget there were three movies before this? I'm glad Lucas snuck in an important lesson for the three year olds who didn't know what Star Wars was and would grow up to be blinded by nostalgia for the prequels, but to everyone else, crafting a trilogy around Obi-Wan and Anakin and wasting an entire entry on a decoy protagonist is moronic. II and III are lesser movies because of it. Btw, you're forgetting the fourth and most important point: Lucas likes poetry because it rhymes. He stuck a wise mentor character in to be killed because that's what happened in A New Hope. Spoilers in case you still haven't seen it. So, you finally are accepting the point of the character. But shift goalposts towards you knowing better than Lucas, one of the best and nuanced storytellers in Hollywood. Fair enough. As melodramatic as nonsensical a statement. But when you speak of heart, I wonder too if you have watched the OT properly? In there Obi Wan was busy needlessly lying to Luke to pit the kid against his own father without Luke knowing. Worse, in Empire Obi will not even tell the truth when Luke rushes into Vader's trap (probably so not to spoil the shock, what a teacher!). And in Jedi he becomes hypocritical - from a certain point of view - about his lie and still insists on Luke killing his daddy (ignoring Yoda's peaceful Force teachings). In view of that, I wonder what convinced you that there must have been more "heart" than what we saw in the PT and TCW show? Maybe because an old liar looking like Santa claimed they were friends before, but now full-fledged patricide is on - and you were a gullible kid when you saw it last? If you have any further questions about Star Wars, do not hesitate to contact me. Always glad to help aspiring fans. My original statement was "-I like Liam Neeson, but Qui-Gon is a pointless character who subtracts from the Obi-Wan/Anakin relationship". How have I shifted goals? He IS a pointless character, because every role he fills in the PT could have, should have, and originally was filled by Obi-Wan and or Yoda. If Obi-Wan calling Anakin a good man and his friend is justified because he's a liar and just wants Luke to kill his father, why isn't he telling Luke the TRUTH? "There was never really good in him, 'cept when he was 9 perhaps. We all thought he was dangerous, and me and him got along for all of about five minutes while we rescued the Emperor once. He was such a whiny, arrogant c***. Think Elliot Rodger with superpowers. He was off killing women and children before he even turned to the dark side (my real instructor told me he saw it while learning to be a force ghost). I watched him murder small children myself and choke your mom half to death. Sorry I lied to you in ANH, but seriously, your dad sucks." Instead, all that good man stuff raised hope in Luke that his father could be redeemed. Oops. But to answer your question - "I wonder what convinced you that there must have been more 'heart' than what we saw in the PT and TCW show?" - I think that scene with Obi-Wan blubbering about Anakin being his brother by the lava river had something to do with it. CLEARLY we're supposed to be invested in their relationship by ROTS, and if even you are saying there was no heart and Obi-Wan is just a bulls***ter, then obviously Lucas failed. Now imagine how much more effective that scene would have been with Qui-Gon instead. Because the relationship between Qui-Gon and Anikan actually means something, and should have been Obi-Wan and Anakin.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2018 4:34:18 GMT
Cons: Shouldve used the Mon Cal instead of the Gunguns.
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Post by Lebowskidoo 💀🎃👻 on May 16, 2018 14:09:13 GMT
PRO: A great baddie in Darth Maul CON: They killed off Darth Maul straight away
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Post by maxwellperfect on May 16, 2018 22:13:00 GMT
I never hated it, even as a Star Wars fan since the beginning. The Darth Maul lightsaber duel at the end is the best in the series, probably can't be topped. I'm not as fussed about the pod racing scene as some people are, and overall not crazy about the designs of the ships and vehicles. There's still plenty of imagination in it. The over-arching story of a democracy being subverted by a fake war is fairly relevant social commentary for what many would write off as a kid's movie.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2018 22:04:27 GMT
They're entertaining reviews of all episodes 1 2 and 3. But you can totally counter argue about 70% of what they complained about. Well personally I like the film even though it has its flaws and I don't totally agree with the criticisms made in the reviews, but those reviews are entertaining. I know it. I especially like the reviews when they show the behind the scenes footage from the phantom menace, and Mike from rlm edits parts of it together to make it seem like lucas didn't know what he was doing lol. He like totally rips George lucas a new one, it's awesome.
But then if you watch the full behind the scenes he actually seems like he knows what he's doing.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2018 22:07:22 GMT
PRO: A great baddie in Darth Maul CON: They killed off Darth Maul straight away Nuh uh cuz like, you Think it's bad that he was killed off right away. Buuut if they'd kept him around in the movie longer you'd be like, i'm sick of this guy already?
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