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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2018 11:49:25 GMT
No point gewtting worked up over the stature thing tho as realistic looking accurate counterparts to comic characters is ridiculous enough to achieve with men who just need to bulk up, but women are meant to be super physically fit yet not be unattractive and also have tits the size of water melons, how realistic is this for a woman to achieve without some sort of plastic surgery? I mean how many world class female athletes do you see with a pair of natural bazooka's? Also how likely is it to find an actress to fit this bill? not even in frame but just height, if she's meant to be close to Batman in height that means an actress of 6-1 or 2, and were not getting Batman so how do we judge this by? I mean Flash is meant to be under 6ft in the comics from some quick research but GG is 6'1, so if she's meant to be a few inches taller than Flash we need an actress over 6'3, which means she'll dwarf most of the cast in, or do we compare her to Supergirl who is meant to be like 5'5, but MB is 5'8 to keep a fair difference an actress would need to be like 6'4 maybe 6'5 which is even worse. I personally don't care who they get size or looks wise but I would like an actress who can carry the role, just give us a good actress, for the love of bob plz. I say we place bets on what part of the character wont be accurate, will it be height, body type, hair colour, relation to Batman, sexuality, general backstory, ethnicity, mental cognisance, nationality, religion, able bodied, dietary or political affiliant that they fuck up...my money is all of the above, you just wait "Batwoman" is going to be Keenan Thompson in drag pretending to be a autistic asexual Japanese born Jewish dwarf amputee fruitarian who identifies as a member of the communist party whose relation to Batman is he is Batmans mothers brother in laws sisters butlers second cousin twice removed nephews by adoption godson...im like 99% sure on that. I respectfully have to disagree with you on this subject Dazz and agree with Beccy. The reason being there are women who have the right build and muscle size to play these characters who are body builders, wrestlers, mixed martial artists and athletes and they work out every day and are in great physical shape and could do their own stunts but they aren’t given the chance to play them ‘cause of this sexist belief that strong women are unattractive or too manlike. I think I wrote on here before when it comes to muscle size Charlotte Flair has the perfect build to play Supergirl when you compare the muscles Supergirl has in the comic books with her and while some wrestlers haven’t been the greatest actors the Rock is now one of the biggest names in Hollywood and one of the highest paid actors too. Batista and John Cena have also been getting a lot of acting roles lately but we rarely (if ever) see any women crossover.
Beth Phoenix was one name that tried to do acting a few years ago and she said she got told she was too muscular to play roles and they wanted a smaller actress and Beth Phoenix had the right build to play a superhero and the Glamazon could have been an Amazon in ‘Wonder Woman. When it comes to the size of their boobs you are right, they are not going to find many women that can match them in that department ‘cause some of them have boobs that are literally bigger than people’s heads (lol) but when it comes to muscle and abs and actresses that can actually fight those things should not be hard to find when it comes to casting an actress as Batwoman. There are a number of actresses who can fight and have black belts in Martial Arts like Yvonne Strahovski but she is wasted on shows like ‘The Handmaiden’s Tale’ where she doesn’t get to show off her martial arts skills.
Yvonne actually played Kate Kane in ‘Batman: Bad Blood’ but she only got to play the voice and she’d be a great choice in live action if she dyed her hair red but with Chuck playing Shazam I think Yvonne should get to play the Black Canary ‘cause she is perfect for the role. Too many actresses who can do fighting scenes and their own stunts are wasted and Jennifer Garner was another actress who did all her own stunts in ‘Alias’ but after the show ended and the failure of ‘Elektra’ which was not her fault she fell into doing mostly Romantic Comedy and Drama roles ‘cause she struggled to get Action roles since most of them only wanted male leads around the time. Rachel Nichols would be a great choice for Batwoman and is trained in martial arts and did all her own stunts in ‘Continuum’ a few years ago but the CW Network would probably class her as being too old like they did with Alyssa, Holly and Shannon for ‘Charmed.’
I just personally think more of these movies should give female wrestlers and athletes a chance in the roles – they have the right look and many female wrestlers already do acting in the WWE and I think Beth Phoenix could have been a heaps better choice for Cheetah than Kristen Wiig.
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Post by General Kenobi on Jul 21, 2018 11:57:09 GMT
I'm willing to give Kristen Wiig the benefit of the doubt. I trust Patty Jenkins instincts and believe the naysayers will be surprised.
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Post by dazz on Jul 21, 2018 12:43:56 GMT
Gotta disagree with you Deb I don't want roles being handed out based solely on looks, which you are inadvertently advocating, athleticism and stunt work are things that can be covered up, I mean that's what the men they get in insane shape for like 30 seconds of specific film the rest of the time their suited up so it doesn't matter if their ripped or not, the important thing is they can carry themselves as actors in the roles, I mean really would you rather them have given the role of Wolverine to say Scott Caan who is 5'5 instead of Jackman at 6'3? I mean do you think the same should be done for men? should guys like Pratt, Jackman, Smith, Rudd, Affleck and such not be allowed to play superheroes or villains because they don't look like that in everyday life? I would rather have talented performers in the role myself, and just have them put in the work like their male counterparts to more accurately pass as believable superheroes, I mean similar to the Jackman Caan thing what would you rather have Brie Lawson as Cap Marvel or Ronda Rousey? I am with you in they should atleast try to portray the characters more accurate to both their comics and what they would reasonably need to be physically to be a Batwoman and what have you but I don't agree to the extent you suggest...don't hate me
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Post by stargazer1682 on Jul 21, 2018 12:57:52 GMT
I could see Rachel Nichol play Batwoman. That could be good. I mostly liked her on Continuum.
Ever since Chuck, I've wanted to see Yvonne play Black Canary. When I wrote my own fanfic alternate ending to Smallville, I recast Black Canary with Yvonne (and made Zachary Barry Allen, revealing "Bart" to be his cousin, before killing him off at the hands of Parademons).
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Post by dazz on Jul 21, 2018 13:15:38 GMT
I could see Rachel Nichol play Batwoman. That could be good. I mostly liked her on Continuum. Ever since Chuck, I've wanted to see Yvonne play Black Canary. When I wrote my own fanfic alternate ending to Smallville, I recast Black Canary with Yvonne (and made Zachary Barry Allen, revealing "Bart" to be his cousin, before killing him off at the hands of Parademons). I like her to but I never considered her buff or large, she's bloody beautiful though and surprised me that she is as old as she was, I think when Continuum started I thought she was mid-late 20's not several years into her 30's, I would dig it if they cast her as Batwoman, if they wanted they could do a little bit of BL to the series and have her have a supporting cast of younger characters to balance out the CW's age range.
I still need to watch the finale season of Continuum so is it worth watching, anyone?
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Post by stargazer1682 on Jul 21, 2018 13:21:52 GMT
I still need to watch the finale season of Continuum so is it worth watching, anyone? My personal opinion? ...(sigh) No, not really....
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Post by General Kenobi on Jul 21, 2018 17:44:51 GMT
Man. Canada sure loves they're scifi series. I think the bulk of science fiction shows in the last decade originated in the great white way.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jul 21, 2018 19:12:38 GMT
@deblovesbeccy is right IMO. There are plenty of athletic women but the studios never even give them a chance. The WWE wrestlers are one great example but there are others. Heck every waitress at my local Hooter's could beat Gal Gadot at arm wrestling. They're not hard to find.
Also, acting ability is not always the most important thing. We are making action movies not Oscar bait. Bruce Lee, Jean Claude Van Damme, Chuck Norris, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Steven Seagal, Jackie Chan, Jet Li; none of them are very good at acting but they have physical ability and appearance that makes them perfect for action roles. There are many female martial artists/stunt people/actresses/wrestlers/dancers etc. that look the part better than a lot of the actresses that usually get cast as super heroes. There are some actresses that do fit the parts that have already been mentioned here like Jennifer Garner, Rachel Nichols, Caity Lotz, etc., but often the wrong women get cast as superheroes IMO.
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Post by dazz on Jul 21, 2018 20:50:51 GMT
Maybe it's just because I don't associate those women as differing from other actresses via their looks, to me their all beautiful women who fit in with the other beautiful women you often see in films and TV, only thing would be how skinny they are or aren't, because I don't think ive ever noted in my head that they look scrawny or too thin, which for some actresses I have, Katie Cassidy for instance when she seemed to drop a lot of weight during S2 of Arrow, if this is the bone of contention then I withdraw my prior statements as I agree I don't want stick figures really playing these roles either.
But I don't think you should be spotlighting roles just for women who are larger or more athletic, if they aren't willing to put the same effort in as the men then sure, but just do it like they do with the guys, hire the right actor for the role and get them to get in shape for the role is all I'm saying,
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Post by stargazer1682 on Jul 21, 2018 22:02:18 GMT
I think Caity Lots would be a good example of a happy medium. I've recently read that when she was younger, she was always considered more of a tomboy, because of her athletic build, but I never really gave that much thought when she first started on Arrow. She filled out the Black Canary costume nicely in other ways, but just as I was importantly, she was a good actor and handled her material well. Then I saw a videoa couple of weeks ago where she's doing all these kicks and flips, and I'm like, holy shit, she, she actually knows how to do this stuff! I mean, I think I've seen videos of her working on stunt choreography before, but not like that.
Just goes to show that they had the perfect Black Canary and screwed it up try to improve on it.
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Post by General Kenobi on Jul 23, 2018 21:54:20 GMT
That's the sad story of the Arrowverse.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 14:03:41 GMT
Gotta disagree with you Deb I don't want roles being handed out based solely on looks, which you are inadvertently advocating, athleticism and stunt work are things that can be covered up, I mean that's what the men they get in insane shape for like 30 seconds of specific film the rest of the time their suited up so it doesn't matter if their ripped or not, the important thing is they can carry themselves as actors in the roles, I mean really would you rather them have given the role of Wolverine to say Scott Caan who is 5'5 instead of Jackman at 6'3? I mean do you think the same should be done for men? should guys like Pratt, Jackman, Smith, Rudd, Affleck and such not be allowed to play superheroes or villains because they don't look like that in everyday life? I would rather have talented performers in the role myself, and just have them put in the work like their male counterparts to more accurately pass as believable superheroes, I mean similar to the Jackman Caan thing what would you rather have Brie Lawson as Cap Marvel or Ronda Rousey? I am with you in they should atleast try to portray the characters more accurate to both their comics and what they would reasonably need to be physically to be a Batwoman and what have you but I don't agree to the extent you suggest...don't hate me Don’t worry Dazz. I am not going to hate you. lol You are one of my favourite members on here and I always love talking to you. We will just have to agree to disagree there ‘cause I would like to see more athletic actresses who can fight get these roles and I think Taylorsfirst1 made a good point that a lot of the wrong actresses get cast as superheroes while we have actresses on TV shows that can fight and do all their own stunts that constantly get looked over. Yvonne Strahovski is a good example as I mentioned before and if you watch what she can do in ‘Chuck’ she is perfect for the Black Canary or another female superhero but they cast Chuck as a superhero while Yvonne will sadly most likely get classed as being too old ‘cause she is 35 which seems to be really old these days to Hollywood's standards. I will discuss this more when I am on next time but I agree with stargazer1682 about Rachel Nichols and she would be great as Batwoman. I have all of the seasons of 'Continuum' on DVD and watched it on the Syfy Channel here and I think the final season was disappointing but blame the network for cancelling what was supposed to be a 7 Season show and the final season still had some good moments and is worth watching to see how it ended. Rachel was very sexy in it too and we should post some pictures of her.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Jul 26, 2018 14:55:02 GMT
I don't know, Continuum was becoming a bit of cluster fuck of a story; with everyone teaming up and screwing each other over to no end. They couldn't seem to be make up their minds what story they were telling. The final reveal, with Rachel's character returning to the future, only to find an iteration of herself native to that timeline, with her son, was mostly logical, but still disappointing. And I think it was at least in part because none of the characters seemed to want to bother to stop and think anything through.
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Post by General Kenobi on Jul 26, 2018 21:55:42 GMT
Sounds like a classic example of idiot plot. Shame.
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Post by dazz on Aug 5, 2018 14:15:53 GMT
I like the idea of Rachel Nichols in the lead role, she's stunning but also not unbelievable in the role, Holland I don't know if she'd work, she spent 6 years on Teen Wolf but most of that was just her screaming, so no clue if she's believable in a kick ass role, I hope though whoever they get to play the role has to either be physically fit or atleast gets in shape enough for the first few episodes to establish this is a character at the peak of human fitness like they did with Amell, she's not superhuman so you cant get away with them not looking like they can kick someone shitless, or you know take a punch atleast *cough*Thea*cough*.
This has nothing to do with who I want in the role just who I want on TV but someone get Shelley Hennig a role on this show or some other one I will watch, that lady is FAF.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Aug 5, 2018 15:08:30 GMT
As I think about it, I'd really prefer seeing this being set on Earth-38, alongside Supergirl. Maggie has already been established as a character, and regardless of whether they'd have to recast her or if Floriana Lima would be available on this new series where she could have greater focus; there's no sense creating a new, alternate version of this character, just to have it be set on Earth-1, especially when all of the alternate Earth doubles seen to date have all been played by the same actors/look alike.
It would also be interesting to actually expand on Supergirl's Earth, instead of her being an outlier; the multiverse is kind of lopsided right now. And if they are going to have Bruce/Batman retired during the course of this Batwoman series - which on the one hand makes sense to take him out of the equation, while on the other hand it bears shades of Birds of Prey - setting all of that on Earth 38, where the existence of Batman has been hinted at, and where he would have been around for years already; that version of Batman would have had a full career behind him, while still leaving Batman on Earth-1 open and potentially active on the very off chance the powers that be come to their senses and let him play in the sandbox with everyone else. Or at the very least, we can pretend he's off in Earth-1 Gotham doing his thing; occasionally reading about Oliver or Barry's escapades in the paper, mumbling, "Amateurs," before solving a murder at the breakfast table in total anonymity.
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Post by BexxyJ on Aug 7, 2018 13:19:30 GMT
As I think about it, I'd really prefer seeing this being set on Earth-38, alongside Supergirl. Maggie has already been established as a character, and regardless of whether they'd have to recast her or if Floriana Lima would be available on this new series where she could have greater focus; there's no sense creating a new, alternate version of this character, just to have it be set on Earth-1, especially when all of the alternate Earth doubles seen to date have all been played by the same actors/look alike. It would also be interesting to actually expand on Supergirl's Earth, instead of her being an outlier; the multiverse is kind of lopsided right now. And if they are going to have Bruce/Batman retired during the course of this Batwoman series - which on the one hand makes sense to take him out of the equation, while on the other hand it bears shades of Birds of Prey - setting all of that on Earth 38, where the existence of Batman has been hinted at, and where he would have been around for years already; that version of Batman would have had a full career behind him, while still leaving Batman on Earth-1 open and potentially active on the very off chance the powers that be come to their senses and let him play in the sandbox with everyone else. Or at the very least, we can pretend he's off in Earth-1 Gotham doing his thing; occasionally reading about Oliver or Barry's escapades in the paper, mumbling, "Amateurs," before solving a murder at the breakfast table in total anonymity. Didn’t Floriana Lima leave Supergirl to join another show though? If they want Maggie back they are going to have to recast the role or bring in another character. How many love interests has Batwoman had?
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Post by BexxyJ on Aug 7, 2018 13:20:22 GMT
Hell yeah. Add the sidekick. Has there been any female superhero movies or tv shows where female superheroes have had their own sidekicks? Why do males only get to have sidekicks on tv?
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Post by dazz on Aug 7, 2018 18:10:00 GMT
Felicity has Oliver....oooh cheap shot. Iris has Barry...damn I went for the double. Sara has an entire ship full of sidekicks, but then she's only half a step better so does that count? Supergirl has an entire team of lackeys and interchangeable love sick puppies. Jessica Jones has hanger on technically who she tries to get to leave her alone but they refuse. Colleen has Danny...haha fuck you Iron Fist S1 YOU SUCK!!
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