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Post by harpospoke on Jun 29, 2018 23:24:17 GMT
A while ago I was criticized for making a thread where I put forward a certain poster of the film sparking concerns of people in how Disney are pushing their PC agenda into Marvel movies. Having read some of the reviews for Antman 2 which released few hours ago, whilst eye rolling once again at the consensus of lighthearted, fun, comedic crap which is said on repeat for most MCU movies, one review caught my attention to how pathetic the criteria is for Disney who selectively choose their critics for the first batch of RT rating reviews. And the review is painful to read, not less because of the poor, elementary style but the stupid non claims it makes and panders the SJW crowd hard. www.themarysue.com/ant-man-and-the-wasp-review/Its clear from the very first paragraph she was only interested in liking this film because of the feminist angle that Wasp represents. Whilst also ignoring the likes of Black widow, gamora, Nebula, etc and also pretends as if Wonder Woman and other non-MCU depictions like Mistique or Catwoman never happened. Such plainly limited knowledge is now what constitutes a professional movie critic and people still wonder how there remains a large disconnect between audiences and critics in general. But this re-focuses the concerns that Disney is pushing hard with appealing to SJWs like this rather than the fan. With the recent announcement that Captain Marvel will be the new flagship character, there is a possibility a Star wars like chasm could emerge. Finally a little bonus quote from her review to excellently showcase the great craftsmanship required to be a certified rotten tomatoes critic these days, fully permitted by Disney. A sentence even a 6 year old can write after seeing an MCU flick, without its grammar or punctuation being questioned: Not really the wet dream. That's The Last Jedi where the villains are males...incompetent males. If they made the villain female that's a point against the SLJ agenda right there. Only males are the bad guys in their world. And Ant-Man comes first in the title so that's not the wet dream either. Too bad this writer doesn't know that Ant-Man and the Wasp have been equals in the comics since the 60s.
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Post by scabab on Jun 30, 2018 1:54:19 GMT
They changed em to goofy comedians to please mass audiences. It was a marketing strategy. They did that with a few of them. Captain America isn't like that, neither is Iron Man, Black Widow, Hawkeye, Vision, Scarlet Witch, Black Panther, Doctor Strange and so on. If they did that then the movie would be blasted for it. They'd never do that though under any circumstance. The Guardians of the Galaxy were an unknown property that involved a talking tree and a talking racoon who were best friends. They were right to make that movie more light hearted and comical especially when they hadn't done a movie like that at that point. They're not going to make an X-men movie like that. So you'd be as likely to see Cyclops perform a dance off against Mr Sinister as you would seeing Captain America doing a dance off against Thanos. It's never gonna happen. Iceman could end up being a jokey character or someone else so it will likely happen to some extent but it won't be done for Cyclops or Wolverine.
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Post by harpospoke on Jun 30, 2018 8:28:26 GMT
Remember when twilight invaded every part of pop culture? mcu movies are similar. the dumb down social media pop culture that dont know anything about film making. not actual pop culture that has stood the test of time like star trek, star wars or a space odyssey. Yeah we are just going to butt heads here. I've seen in the last 20 years something awe inspiring. Comic Properties being developed for the average person. And the average person embarrassing Comic Properties. Twilight might've penetrated the pop culture of women, but that pales in comparison to what Fox, WB/DC, Sony and yes Marvel Studios have done. They have gotten both men and women young and old to watch these movies. You may hate MCU that's your right, but to say that a majority of people think MCU is dumbing down cinema or people think comic books are dumb is ludicrous and damages your legitimate problems with the MCU. Twilight had a brief run, but it faded from pop culture quickly until it wasn't really an event when new Twilight movies were released. The same fans went to see them, but it wasn't a big deal to anyone else. The actors in those movies became jokes in pop culture. Probably ruined their careers collectively. Pretty much the exact opposite with Marvel movies. They get bigger as time goes by and the actors get a collective career boost from appearing in the movies.
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Post by harpospoke on Jun 30, 2018 8:30:42 GMT
Hollywood already did the damaged. Look what's out there, Remakes, sequels, comic book movies. For Christ sake they won't even leave the 80's alone with their constant shitty remakes and sequels. Cinema died a long time ago and I welcome it's death. I just wish the fandom and movie goers died with it. This is true only if you ignore the hundreds of movies released each year and only concentrate on the tiny percentage of movies you dislike. There were 738 movies tracked last year by Box Office Mojo. If you can't find more movies than you have time to watch each year then you aren't trying very hard.
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Post by harpospoke on Jun 30, 2018 8:31:59 GMT
Superman 1978 was not based on any one Superman comic, Batman 1989 was not based on any one Batman comic, X-men 2000 was not based on any one X-men comic, Spider-man 2002 was not based on any one Spider-man comic and so on. They tell their own stories for the movies. Ant-man isn't adapting anything. It's using the characters and then doing it's own thing like they all do. Then people who criticise Xmen movies saying their characters are not comic accurate are hypocrites and liars since the MCU portrayals of guys like Thor, Banner, Peter Parker and Peter Quill are nothing like their persona from the source material. People become blind to that only because they get more screen time and a colourful costumes. Nah....it's the "Wolverine and Friends" thing that Fox turned them into that sucks. Wolverine is awesome, but there is more to the X-men than just him.
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Post by harpospoke on Jun 30, 2018 8:34:47 GMT
So you think a 17-18 yr old guy developing a huge crush on an unborn baby is intelligent? I knew you were messed up. that was not part of the abortion story. If I remember even jacob wanted bella to abort the child but she stood her ground. I condemned the jacob/rensemee love story but it still does not take away that twilight still chose to tackle the the themes of abortion, meanwhile disney mcu banned drinking problems in iron man 3 for the sake of kids?
funny was Xavier not a drug hippie in DOFP?
was bruce not sombre and depressed for 8 years in TDK after the event of TDK?
MCU IS ABOUT FUN AND JOKES. NOTHING OF REAL SUBSTANCE.
That's a flawed claim. That's because it's entirely based on the premise that "fun" and "comedy" is inherently inferior to "drama". ...Which is pure nonsense. Some of the greatest cinema in history was made by great comedians. If you can't see the "substance" in joyful art, then that's a tragic curse for you....but it certainly doesn't mean there is anything wrong with positive emotional art.
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Post by Vassaggo on Jun 30, 2018 11:17:07 GMT
Hollywood already did the damaged. Look what's out there, Remakes, sequels, comic book movies. For Christ sake they won't even leave the 80's alone with their constant shitty remakes and sequels. Cinema died a long time ago and I welcome it's death. I just wish the fandom and movie goers died with it. This is true only if you ignore the hundreds of movies released each year and only concentrate on the tiny percentage of movies you dislike. There were 738 movies tracked last year by Box Office Mojo. If you can't find more movies than you have time to watch each year then you aren't trying very hard. Man I was going to correct you because the source I used here says 724 for 2017 and 736 for 2016. I looked at your source and it says 738 for 2017 and 736 for 2016. I know it's a little quibble, but that's why it's so important to show your sources. The Inner Historian is definitely over joyed right now. So good on ya. I used it to prove that superhero movies aren't even close to hogging the market. There were 7 definite superhero movies 10 if you stretched the definition. 10 movies verses the 724 to equal 1.38% superhero. movies. Now that I think about it when I used that stat I can't remember if I stated my source, so you out did me.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jun 30, 2018 11:42:08 GMT
Hollywood already did the damaged. Look what's out there, Remakes, sequels, comic book movies. For Christ sake they won't even leave the 80's alone with their constant shitty remakes and sequels. Cinema died a long time ago and I welcome it's death. I just wish the fandom and movie goers died with it. This is true only if you ignore the hundreds of movies released each year and only concentrate on the tiny percentage of movies you dislike. There were 738 movies tracked last year by Box Office Mojo. If you can't find more movies than you have time to watch each year then you aren't trying very hard. Okay I'll admit that post was overly dramatic. But still to blame "damaged cinema" on one studio is still silly, especially since all of these big major studios pump out all of the same shit over and over. I mean for Christ sake they made a new predator movie. Can't we just let some franchises stay dead?
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Post by Vassaggo on Jun 30, 2018 11:51:12 GMT
This is true only if you ignore the hundreds of movies released each year and only concentrate on the tiny percentage of movies you dislike. There were 738 movies tracked last year by Box Office Mojo. If you can't find more movies than you have time to watch each year then you aren't trying very hard. Okay I'll admit that post was overly dramatic. But still to blame "damaged cinema" on one studio is still silly, especially since all of these big major studios pump out all of the same shit over and over. I mean for Christ sake they made a new predator movie. Can't we just let some franchises stay dead? It's funny. I was having this conversation not 2 days ago about Predator. An old college buddy was saying the same thing. He said "I think we've said all we've needed to say with the Predator Franchise" My counter to it was it's Directed and Written by Shane Black. He was an actor and script doctor to the first movie. I kind of want to see what he will do with it. I've liked a lot of his work. Lethal Weapon, underated Last Boy Scout, The Long Kiss Goodnight, The Nice Guys, Ironman 3, and my favorite Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. As he was there at the inception of the series I'd really like to see his take.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jun 30, 2018 12:40:28 GMT
Remember when twilight invaded every part of pop culture? mcu movies are similar. the dumb down social media pop culture that dont know anything about film making. not actual pop culture that has stood the test of time like star trek, star wars or a space odyssey. Yeah we are just going to butt heads here. I've seen in the last 20 years something awe inspiring. Comic Properties being developed for the average person. And the average person embarrassing Comic Properties. Twilight might've penetrated the pop culture of women, but that pales in comparison to what Fox, WB/DC, Sony and yes Marvel Studios have done. They have gotten both men and women young and old to watch these movies. You may hate MCU that's your right, but to say that a majority of people think MCU is dumbing down cinema or people think comic books are dumb is ludicrous and damages your legitimate problems with the MCU. Do you mean embracing?
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Post by Vassaggo on Jun 30, 2018 12:46:02 GMT
Yeah we are just going to butt heads here. I've seen in the last 20 years something awe inspiring. Comic Properties being developed for the average person. And the average person embarrassing Comic Properties. Twilight might've penetrated the pop culture of women, but that pales in comparison to what Fox, WB/DC, Sony and yes Marvel Studios have done. They have gotten both men and women young and old to watch these movies. You may hate MCU that's your right, but to say that a majority of people think MCU is dumbing down cinema or people think comic books are dumb is ludicrous and damages your legitimate problems with the MCU. Do you mean embracing? LOL! Yes sir that's what I meant. That's slightly embracing! (See what I did there).
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Post by ThatGuy on Jun 30, 2018 12:48:04 GMT
This is true only if you ignore the hundreds of movies released each year and only concentrate on the tiny percentage of movies you dislike. There were 738 movies tracked last year by Box Office Mojo. If you can't find more movies than you have time to watch each year then you aren't trying very hard. Okay I'll admit that post was overly dramatic. But still to blame "damaged cinema" on one studio is still silly, especially since all of these big major studios pump out all of the same shit over and over. I mean for Christ sake they made a new predator movie. Can't we just let some franchises stay dead? Maybe market the same shit over and over. You can go to the movies every week and not see a sequel or remake. The problem is what you are interested in and what you notice and the movies that you are willing to pay for. I sometimes pull up and watch movies on Netflix that I wouldn't go to theaters to see. There's been movies that I thought "i liked that" that I missed in theaters, but still wouldn't have paid to have seen.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jun 30, 2018 12:53:56 GMT
Okay I'll admit that post was overly dramatic. But still to blame "damaged cinema" on one studio is still silly, especially since all of these big major studios pump out all of the same shit over and over. I mean for Christ sake they made a new predator movie. Can't we just let some franchises stay dead? It's funny. I was having this conversation not 2 days ago about Predator. An old college buddy was saying the same thing. He said "I think we've said all we've needed to say with the Predator Franchise" My counter to it was it's Directed and Written by Shane Black. He was an actor and script doctor to the first movie. I kind of want to see what he will do with it. I've liked a lot of his work. Lethal Weapon, underated Last Boy Scout, The Long Kiss Goodnight, The Nice Guys, Ironman 3, and my favorite Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. As he was there at the inception of the series I'd really like to see his take. Maybe he'll do something interesting, maybe he won't. Honestly the recent trailer didn't get my hopes up. Especially with that mom joke in the trailer.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jun 30, 2018 12:57:45 GMT
It's funny. I was having this conversation not 2 days ago about Predator. An old college buddy was saying the same thing. He said "I think we've said all we've needed to say with the Predator Franchise" My counter to it was it's Directed and Written by Shane Black. He was an actor and script doctor to the first movie. I kind of want to see what he will do with it. I've liked a lot of his work. Lethal Weapon, underated Last Boy Scout, The Long Kiss Goodnight, The Nice Guys, Ironman 3, and my favorite Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. As he was there at the inception of the series I'd really like to see his take. Maybe he'll do something interesting, maybe he won't. Honestly the recent trailer didn't get my hopes up. Especially with that mom joke in the trailer. It looks like they are going the "mutate to make better" route. AvP:R and the Jurassic World movies did the same thing.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jun 30, 2018 12:57:51 GMT
Okay I'll admit that post was overly dramatic. But still to blame "damaged cinema" on one studio is still silly, especially since all of these big major studios pump out all of the same shit over and over. I mean for Christ sake they made a new predator movie. Can't we just let some franchises stay dead? Maybe market the same shit over and over. You can go to the movies every week and not see a sequel or remake. The problem is what you are interested in and what you notice and the movies that you are willing to pay for. I sometimes pull up and watch movies on Netflix that I wouldn't go to theaters to see. There's been movies that I thought "i liked that" that I missed in theaters, but still wouldn't have paid to have seen. Unfortunately my local Cinemark doesn't give us a lot of variety. In fact Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom took up most of the screenings.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jun 30, 2018 12:59:27 GMT
Maybe market the same shit over and over. You can go to the movies every week and not see a sequel or remake. The problem is what you are interested in and what you notice and the movies that you are willing to pay for. I sometimes pull up and watch movies on Netflix that I wouldn't go to theaters to see. There's been movies that I thought "i liked that" that I missed in theaters, but still wouldn't have paid to have seen. Unfortunately my local Cinemark doesn't give us a lot of variety. In fact Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom took up most of the screenings. That the only new movie or the only new movie that's on your radar?
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jun 30, 2018 13:13:11 GMT
Unfortunately my local Cinemark doesn't give us a lot of variety. In fact Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom took up most of the screenings. That the only new movie or the only new movie that's on your radar? Apparently my Cinemark thinks it is. There's Sicario 2, but again it's a sequel which goes back to the whole "pumping out the same old shit"
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Post by Vassaggo on Jun 30, 2018 13:32:54 GMT
It's funny. I was having this conversation not 2 days ago about Predator. An old college buddy was saying the same thing. He said "I think we've said all we've needed to say with the Predator Franchise" My counter to it was it's Directed and Written by Shane Black. He was an actor and script doctor to the first movie. I kind of want to see what he will do with it. I've liked a lot of his work. Lethal Weapon, underated Last Boy Scout, The Long Kiss Goodnight, The Nice Guys, Ironman 3, and my favorite Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. As he was there at the inception of the series I'd really like to see his take. Maybe he'll do something interesting, maybe he won't. Honestly the recent trailer didn't get my hopes up. Especially with that mom joke in the trailer. I like the original Director's subversion of the genre. He put the Mini Gun chewing up the jungle scene to show that big guys with guns are ineffectual.
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Post by Vassaggo on Jun 30, 2018 13:46:51 GMT
McTiernan feels there’s a fascination among audiences about seeing guns being fired, so he added the scene of the remaining team members firing blindly into the jungle for a couple minutes. “What I was really doing was to quietly ridicule the desire to see pictures of guns firing. All of this is sort of a moral separate peace here, and in order to do it I set up the circumstance where there were no human beings in front of the guns. In fact the point of all the firing was, as the man says as soon as they stop shooting, ‘We hit nothing.’ The whole point was the impotence of all the guns. Which was the exact opposite of what believe I was being hired to sell.” He points out that he did the same thing in Die Hard. linkDon't get me wrong I like firing guns for target practice, and I do like action movies. I just like it when someone subverts the status quo.
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Post by harpospoke on Jun 30, 2018 17:33:14 GMT
This is true only if you ignore the hundreds of movies released each year and only concentrate on the tiny percentage of movies you dislike. There were 738 movies tracked last year by Box Office Mojo. If you can't find more movies than you have time to watch each year then you aren't trying very hard. Man I was going to correct you because the source I used here says 724 for 2017 and 736 for 2016. I looked at your source and it says 738 for 2017 and 736 for 2016. I know it's a little quibble, but that's why it's so important to show your sources. The Inner Historian is definitely over joyed right now. So good on ya. I used it to prove that superhero movies aren't even close to hogging the market. There were 7 definite superhero movies 10 if you stretched the definition. 10 movies verses the 724 to equal 1.38% superhero. movies. Now that I think about it when I used that stat I can't remember if I stated my source, so you out did me. Another thing that occurs to me with the "too many CBM movies" claim is TV shows like Game of Thrones. People eat things like that up on a weekly basis and are begging for more. GoT fans are actually suffering when the show goes on break. I know it's much easier to sit on your couch and watch a TV show once a week, but it does point out that people certainly don't mind hours and hours of content if they enjoy the content. 7 movies a year in a particular genre doesn't seem like much to me. How many comedies are released each year? I thought I would go look....I counted 24 of them released in January of 2017. I'm not going to count the whole year....wow! www.the-numbers.com/movies/year/2017
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