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Post by Nicko's Nose on Jul 8, 2018 7:20:30 GMT
So basically the movie is serious and you don't mind anything you just listed - I'm certain enough to think you laughed very hard at all of them in the theater. Luke Cage Season 2 was mature. Fixed. No need to say “better” or “good” we all know you think mature automatically = good and not so mature automatically = bad.
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Post by thenewnexus on Jul 8, 2018 9:16:27 GMT
Luke Cage Season 2 was much better and mature. So basically the MCU has been nothing but a winner for you this year? The Netflix Portion and Black Panther yes but everything else👎👎👎👎
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Post by thenewnexus on Jul 8, 2018 9:18:16 GMT
Luke Cage Season 2 was much better and mature. Dodging the question so you don't have to reconcile two irreconcilable beliefs. Good Call. When you have no defensible argument the only thing you can do is retreat. No one believes you about both of your assertions. So either you don't believe jokes are childish and kiddie in superhero stories or Kat Dennings' acting as Darcy isn't the greatest acting performance and character in the MCU. She can't be because her character is nothing but jokes. You are wrong about Darcy
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Post by Morgana on Jul 8, 2018 10:09:21 GMT
Black Panther and Winter Soldier were made UNDER Disney's control. Sad isn't it that in 10 years they can only make 2 serious movies That's the major problem I have with Disney being in control. They've turned Thor God of Thunder, into wannabe member of Guardians of the Galaxy wisecracking crew.
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Post by Vassaggo on Jul 8, 2018 12:04:29 GMT
Dodging the question so you don't have to reconcile two irreconcilable beliefs. Good Call. When you have no defensible argument the only thing you can do is retreat. No one believes you about both of your assertions. So either you don't believe jokes are childish and kiddie in superhero stories or Kat Dennings' acting as Darcy isn't the greatest acting performance and character in the MCU. She can't be because her character is nothing but jokes. You are wrong about Darcy So Darcy isn't the comic relief in the two Thor Movies? If she's not what is her purpose in the movies. She is always joking, being sarcastic, and her character brings levity. If you mean that Kat Dennings being Darcy is the greatest acting performance and character in the MCU. You must really love jokes in your superhero movies.
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Post by thenewnexus on Jul 8, 2018 13:40:18 GMT
You are wrong about Darcy So Darcy isn't the comic relief in the two Thor Movies? If she's not what is her purpose in the movies. She is always joking, being sarcastic, and her character brings levity. If you mean that Kat Dennings being Darcy is the greatest acting performance and character in the MCU. You must really love jokes in your superhero movies. Most of the characters are not as interesting as Darcy
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Post by Vassaggo on Jul 8, 2018 15:44:01 GMT
So Darcy isn't the comic relief in the two Thor Movies? If she's not what is her purpose in the movies. She is always joking, being sarcastic, and her character brings levity. If you mean that Kat Dennings being Darcy is the greatest acting performance and character in the MCU. You must really love jokes in your superhero movies. Most of the characters are not as interesting as Darcy There are beverages in the MCU movies more interesting than Darcy. Darcy is a one dimensional comic relief semi-character. She may not qualify the definition of a character.
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Post by thenewnexus on Jul 8, 2018 16:22:10 GMT
Most of the characters are not as interesting as Darcy There are beverages in the MCU movies more interesting than Darcy. Darcy is a one dimensional comic relief semi-character. She may not qualify the definition of a character You described Star lord and Stark perfectly
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 8, 2018 16:24:41 GMT
So basically the MCU has been nothing but a winner for you this year? The Netflix Portion and Black Panther yes but everything else👎👎👎👎 So basically everything the MCU has released this year so far has been great? Be real, you gave Infinity War a 10/10 and loved last season of Agents of SHIELD and are liking Cloak and Dagger.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 8, 2018 16:25:37 GMT
So Darcy isn't the comic relief in the two Thor Movies? If she's not what is her purpose in the movies. She is always joking, being sarcastic, and her character brings levity. If you mean that Kat Dennings being Darcy is the greatest acting performance and character in the MCU. You must really love jokes in your superhero movies. Most of the characters are not as interesting as Darcy So what makes her interesting? C'mon, if you're trolling at least make a decent attempt.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 8, 2018 16:28:04 GMT
There are beverages in the MCU movies more interesting than Darcy. Darcy is a one dimensional comic relief semi-character. She may not qualify the definition of a character You described Star lord and Stark perfectly Actually that describes Darcy pretty well, she doesn't really grow as a character and we know next to nothing about her backstory. Stark and Star Lord however are three dimensional characters who have grown over the years and we know plenty about their backgrounds. This isn't a preference in which character I happen to enjoy on screen more this is an objective analysis of story and character writing.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 8, 2018 16:35:37 GMT
Sad isn't it that in 10 years they can only make 2 serious movies That's the major problem I have with Disney being in control. They've turned Thor God of Thunder, into wannabe member of Guardians of the Galaxy wisecracking crew. Disney lets Marvel do as they please as long as they are able to make the trains run on time and are able to deliver satisfactory profit and fine reception, otherwise whatever creative decisions Marvel makes is really all on them. If Marvel never was bought by Disney but they were still able to deliver strong profit and praise to keep them going for this long chances are they'd still be more or less the same as they are currently. Also, Thor becoming something of a wisecracker is character development - He was high and mighty in the first Thor but since then he became more familiar with Earth and joined a team of human beings, he's seen and done things that have challenged his perspective.
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Post by Morgana on Jul 8, 2018 17:34:39 GMT
That's the major problem I have with Disney being in control. They've turned Thor God of Thunder, into wannabe member of Guardians of the Galaxy wisecracking crew. Disney lets Marvel do as they please as long as they are able to make the trains run on time and are able to deliver satisfactory profit and fine reception, otherwise whatever creative decisions Marvel makes is really all on them. If Marvel never was bought by Disney but they were still able to deliver strong profit and praise to keep them going for this long chances are they'd still be more or less the same as they are currently. Also, Thor becoming something of a wisecracker is character development - He was high and mighty in the first Thor but since then he became more familiar with Earth and joined a team of human beings, he's seen and done things that have challenged his perspective. Character development, or character devolving into something he isn't? I really think Thor should have gone the way of Black Panther, and not GotG: a lighter tone doesn't fit his character, in my opinion.
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Post by thenewnexus on Jul 8, 2018 18:16:39 GMT
You described Star lord and Stark perfectly Actually that describes Darcy pretty well, she doesn't really grow as a character and we know next to nothing about her backstory. Stark and Star Lord however are three dimensional characters who have grown over the years and we know plenty about their backgrounds. This isn't a preference in which character I happen to enjoy on screen more this is an objective analysis of story and character writing. Sorry but Stark and Star Lord are wannabe comedians,they do nothing but attempt humor. Also Star Lord beats bad guys by dancing
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Post by thenewnexus on Jul 8, 2018 18:21:41 GMT
Disney lets Marvel do as they please as long as they are able to make the trains run on time and are able to deliver satisfactory profit and fine reception, otherwise whatever creative decisions Marvel makes is really all on them. If Marvel never was bought by Disney but they were still able to deliver strong profit and praise to keep them going for this long chances are they'd still be more or less the same as they are currently. Also, Thor becoming something of a wisecracker is character development - He was high and mighty in the first Thor but since then he became more familiar with Earth and joined a team of human beings, he's seen and done things that have challenged his perspective. Character development, or character devolving into something he isn't? I really think Thor should have gone the way of Black Panther, and not GotG: a lighter tone doesn't fit his character, in my opinion. Guardians has been a letdown for me,I expected a badass space opera like Star Wars or Mass Effect not Batman and Robin in Space. I feel like the first two thor movies had potienal but were poorly executed,at least Thor and Loki seem somewhat serious in some scenes and in Avengers,while in the third movie its like watching the three stooges.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 8, 2018 18:44:03 GMT
Actually that describes Darcy pretty well, she doesn't really grow as a character and we know next to nothing about her backstory. Stark and Star Lord however are three dimensional characters who have grown over the years and we know plenty about their backgrounds. This isn't a preference in which character I happen to enjoy on screen more this is an objective analysis of story and character writing. Sorry but Stark and Star Lord are wannabe comedians,they do nothing but attempt humor. Also Star Lord beats bad guys by dancing Actually that fits Darcy's description to a T, she does nothing but attempt humor and very little else. Objectively speaking Stark and Star Lord are better characters - they are much more fleshed out and rounded. Try arguing how they're not and Darcy is to a creative writing instructor and you would get an F, D- at best.
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Post by Morgana on Jul 8, 2018 18:49:21 GMT
Character development, or character devolving into something he isn't? I really think Thor should have gone the way of Black Panther, and not GotG: a lighter tone doesn't fit his character, in my opinion. Guardians has been a letdown for me,I expected a badass space opera like Star Wars or Mass Effect not Batman and Robin in Space. I feel like the first two Thor movies had potienal but were poorly executed,at least Thor and Loki seem somewhat serious in some scenes and in Avengers,while in the third movie its like watching the three stooges. I like GotG, but am not a huge fan. I do think their type of humour films works for them, just not for Thor. I agree with what you said about the first two films - they could have been better, but the third film was just bad. Loki is the god of mischief, not the court jester, Thor is a god that battles to save his world, unfortunately he seems to have failed at that in the third film, and instead of making us feel the sense of grief that Asgard's end should bring, all we get are cheap laughs.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 8, 2018 18:57:01 GMT
Disney lets Marvel do as they please as long as they are able to make the trains run on time and are able to deliver satisfactory profit and fine reception, otherwise whatever creative decisions Marvel makes is really all on them. If Marvel never was bought by Disney but they were still able to deliver strong profit and praise to keep them going for this long chances are they'd still be more or less the same as they are currently. Also, Thor becoming something of a wisecracker is character development - He was high and mighty in the first Thor but since then he became more familiar with Earth and joined a team of human beings, he's seen and done things that have challenged his perspective. Character development, or character devolving into something he isn't? I really think Thor should have gone the way of Black Panther, and not GotG: a lighter tone doesn't fit his character, in my opinion. It's character development. Thor in his first movie held a very high opinion of himself and was all high and mighty because he was going to be crowned the new king of Asgard. His ego got the better of him and he broke an ancient truce between his world and Jutonheim, reigniting a war he was banished to Earth and no longer was worthy to hold his hammer. He had to learn humility and become unselfish to be worthy again to regain his powers and at the end he is all against destroying the frost giant home world. A year later in The Avengers his perspective on how different Asgardians are to Earthlings is changed and he doesn't see much difference between the two in how they behave, he joins a team comprised of other super strong individuals who were born and raised on Earth and despite their differences they form an effective tactical unit and save the day. In the six years since The Avengers Thor has become much more chummy with human beings and has adapted their sense of humor and has a better understanding of their culture, which Ragnarok reflects. Also, if you think Thor has always been portrayed as a stone serious character you haven't read that many books with him, nor are you familiar with the actual mythology he originates from - Did you know Thor in Norse myth once cross dressed with Loki to retrieve his hammer? Did you know the sole reason why he even has a hammer to begin with is because Loki got drunk and snipped off all of Sif's golden hair?
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 8, 2018 19:04:41 GMT
Character development, or character devolving into something he isn't? I really think Thor should have gone the way of Black Panther, and not GotG: a lighter tone doesn't fit his character, in my opinion. Guardians has been a letdown for me,I expected a badass space opera like Star Wars or Mass Effect not Batman and Robin in Space. I feel like the first two thor movies had potienal but were poorly executed,at least Thor and Loki seem somewhat serious in some scenes and in Avengers,while in the third movie its like watching the three stooges. You clearly haven't read many( or any) Guardians of the Galaxy stories nor do you understand the importance of humor in storytelling or what constitutes as legitimate character development, so stop acting like you do.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 8, 2018 19:08:27 GMT
Guardians has been a letdown for me,I expected a badass space opera like Star Wars or Mass Effect not Batman and Robin in Space. I'm not a huge fan of GotG, but I think the juvenile humour works for them. I feel like the first two Thor movies had potienal but were poorly executed,at least Thor and Loki seem somewhat serious in some scenes and in Avengers,while in the third movie its like watching the three stooges. I agree with what you said about the first two films - they could have been better, but the third film was just bad. Loki is the god of mischief, not the court jester, Thor is a god that battles to save his world, unfortunately he seems to have failed at that in the third film, and instead of making us feel the sense of grief that Asgard's end should bring, all we get are cheap laughs. Loki's tactics are played for laughs because by now Thor and other characters recognize all his trickery, their interaction is based on their familiarity with each other and bond. They couldn't have saved Asgard, Hela got her powers from it and Surtur had enough power to destroy the whole thing with one move. It was a sacrifice that had to be made to save the lives of all remaining Asgardians, it is also established in the movie that Asgard is not a place its a community.
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