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Post by charzhino on Jul 8, 2018 19:28:31 GMT
It's character development. Hahahaha. Whatever makes you sleep at night, not sure if youre tryin to convince others or yourself but you aint fooling everyone. Such great character devlopnent is this To this lmao
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 8, 2018 19:52:48 GMT
It's character development. Hahahaha. Whatever makes you sleep at night, not sure if youre tryin to convince others or yourself but you aint fooling everyone. Such great character devlopnent is this To this lmao Your comparison between how Thor acts in one movie and then in another is dubious, they are two totally different scenes with different set up, environments, and situations. In the first he's talking to his father about how to handle an intergalactic, trans dimensional terrorist and how it will affect Asgard. The next is him on an alien world where he is being forced to do battle for people's amusement. He also cannot break free from the chair he's been strapped to and whatever Stan Lee's character is using to cut hair is pretty unusual its you don't know if it'll just cut any hair off or do far, far worse. Also, one was played for drama, the other for humor.
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Post by charzhino on Jul 8, 2018 20:00:23 GMT
Your comparison between how Thor acts in one movie and then in another is dubious, they are two totally different scenes with different set up, environments, and situations. In the first he's talking to his father about how to handle an intergalactic, trans dimensional terrorist and how it will affect Asgard. The next is him on an alien world where he is being forced to do battle for people's amusement. He also cannot break free from the chair he's been strapped to and whatever Stan Lee's character is using to cut hair is pretty unusual its you don't know if it'll just cut any hair off or do far, far worse. Also, one was played for drama, the other for humor. Ok if that doesnt satisfy you then this scene, after Thor gives a dramatic emotional plea to convince Valkiriy to join him and defend Asgard (very much like that Odin scene I posted) the film ends with this GOOFY moment that kills any weight of story he had in the moments before Only little kiddies find this crap funny
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 8, 2018 21:37:28 GMT
Your comparison between how Thor acts in one movie and then in another is dubious, they are two totally different scenes with different set up, environments, and situations. In the first he's talking to his father about how to handle an intergalactic, trans dimensional terrorist and how it will affect Asgard. The next is him on an alien world where he is being forced to do battle for people's amusement. He also cannot break free from the chair he's been strapped to and whatever Stan Lee's character is using to cut hair is pretty unusual its you don't know if it'll just cut any hair off or do far, far worse. Also, one was played for drama, the other for humor. Ok if that doesnt satisfy you then this scene, after Thor gives a dramatic emotional plea to convince Valkiriy to join him and defend Asgard (very much like that Odin scene I posted) the film ends with this GOOFY moment that kills any weight of story he had in the moments before Only little kiddies find this crap funny No it doesn't, and if you didn't find that funny there problem lies with you, not the movie.
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Post by thenewnexus on Jul 8, 2018 21:52:48 GMT
It's character development. Hahahaha. Whatever makes you sleep at night, not sure if youre tryin to convince others or yourself but you aint fooling everyone. Such great character devlopnent is this To this lmao Thats why I hate the third movie its so awkward,sad thing is at one point they considered making the third movie with a more serious tone
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Post by charzhino on Jul 8, 2018 22:22:16 GMT
Thats why I hate the third movie its so awkward,sad thing is at one point they considered making the third movie with a more serious tone Yup, they dumbed it down after test screenings for a serious toned movie got bad rep. The test audience musta been kids, soyboys and man-children
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jul 9, 2018 0:24:54 GMT
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 9, 2018 1:32:25 GMT
Thats why I hate the third movie its so awkward,sad thing is at one point they considered making the third movie with a more serious tone Yup, they dumbed it down after test screenings for a serious toned movie got bad rep. The test audience musta been kids, soyboys and man-children I'm wondering when exactly it was when you and thenewnexus decided to stop trying to debate with seriousness and respect to trying to troll like a bunch of middle schoolers..."Shitnerok", "soyboys", "man-children"...For guys who like to claim to be so mature you fellas sure as certain can be pretty immature yourselves. Ironic. And hilarious.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Jul 9, 2018 1:37:30 GMT
Thats why I hate the third movie its so awkward,sad thing is at one point they considered making the third movie with a more serious tone soyboys That’s not a term mature people use. I guess you’re not the mature badass I thought you were.
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Post by charzhino on Jul 9, 2018 10:37:12 GMT
Yup, they dumbed it down after test screenings for a serious toned movie got bad rep. The test audience musta been kids, soyboys and man-children I'm wondering when exactly it was when you and thenewnexus decided to stop trying to debate with seriousness and respect to trying to troll like a bunch of middle schoolers..."Shitnerok", "soyboys", "man-children"...For guys who like to claim to be so mature you fellas sure as certain can be pretty immature yourselves. Ironic. And hilarious. I showed you indisputably how Thors personality becomes dumbed down from his time in Thor 2. It isn't character development, its a deliberate perversion of his personality to remodel his set of films to mirror the GotG motif. That was Disneys solution to the lacklustre Thor films, to take the easy way out and make Ragnarok a straight up comedy instead of making it a LotR style dramatic epic. People trying to cover it up and saying Thor is showing character development is a cop out. He hasnt been with the Avengers or on earth since Age of Ultron. His behaviour and personality wouldnt change so erratically. Same can be said about Banner who they also dumbed down. So far away from the edgy, calculated, smart and reserved character in Avengers to now a bumbling, slapstick quipping buffoon.
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Post by Morgana on Jul 9, 2018 11:03:22 GMT
Character development, or character devolving into something he isn't? I really think Thor should have gone the way of Black Panther, and not GotG: a lighter tone doesn't fit his character, in my opinion. It's character development. Thor in his first movie held a very high opinion of himself and was all high and mighty because he was going to be crowned the new king of Asgard. His ego got the better of him and he broke an ancient truce between his world and Jutonheim, reigniting a war he was banished to Earth and no longer was worthy to hold his hammer. He had to learn humility and become unselfish to be worthy again to regain his powers and at the end he is all against destroying the frost giant home world. A year later in The Avengers his perspective on how different Asgardians are to Earthlings is changed and he doesn't see much difference between the two in how they behave, he joins a team comprised of other super strong individuals who were born and raised on Earth and despite their differences they form an effective tactical unit and save the day. In the six years since The Avengers Thor has become much more chummy with human beings and has adapted their sense of humor and has a better understanding of their culture, which Ragnarok reflects. Also, if you think Thor has always been portrayed as a stone serious character you haven't read that many books with him, nor are you familiar with the actual mythology he originates from - Did you know Thor in Norse myth once cross dressed with Loki to retrieve his hammer? Did you know the sole reason why he even has a hammer to begin with is because Loki got drunk and snipped off all of Sif's golden hair? I haven't read comics in years, that's true, but I'm going by the Norse mythology. I'm not saying there shouldn't be jokes in the films, just that they took it too far in the third installment. Darcy was a foil, she made the jokes, Thor shouldn't be the same. I understand about how he has changed since the first film, and i'm not against change. Every character should learn and change, whether it be in a book or a series of films. What i'm saying is I didn't like the way they had Thor change; in some instances they have him acting like a buffoon: something Thor should never be.
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Post by Morgana on Jul 9, 2018 11:10:36 GMT
I agree with what you said about the first two films - they could have been better, but the third film was just bad. Loki is the god of mischief, not the court jester, Thor is a god that battles to save his world, unfortunately he seems to have failed at that in the third film, and instead of making us feel the sense of grief that Asgard's end should bring, all we get are cheap laughs. Loki's tactics are played for laughs because by now Thor and other characters recognize all his trickery, their interaction is based on their familiarity with each other and bond. They couldn't have saved Asgard, Hela got her powers from it and Surtur had enough power to destroy the whole thing with one move. It was a sacrifice that had to be made to save the lives of all remaining Asgardians, it is also established in the movie that Asgard is not a place its a community. Perhaps I like more serious films. It's not about me not wanting any humour in Thor, it's about me not liking how they made something that I thought should have been deadly serious, into something of a joke. Obviously there are a lot of people that liked Thor's lighter tone; I wasn't one of them. People have different tastes.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 9, 2018 16:30:48 GMT
I'm wondering when exactly it was when you and thenewnexus decided to stop trying to debate with seriousness and respect to trying to troll like a bunch of middle schoolers..."Shitnerok", "soyboys", "man-children"...For guys who like to claim to be so mature you fellas sure as certain can be pretty immature yourselves. Ironic. And hilarious. I showed you indisputably how Thors personality becomes dumbed down from his time in Thor 2. It isn't character development, its a deliberate perversion of his personality to remodel his set of films to mirror the GotG motif. That was Disneys solution to the lacklustre Thor films, to take the easy way out and make Ragnarok a straight up comedy instead of making it a LotR style dramatic epic. People trying to cover it up and saying Thor is showing character development is a cop out. He hasnt been with the Avengers or on earth since Age of Ultron. His behaviour and personality wouldnt change so erratically. Same can be said about Banner who they also dumbed down. So far away from the edgy, calculated, smart and reserved character in Avengers to now a bumbling, slapstick quipping buffoon. It is character development, you can try all you like to make it sound like a studio driven directive to please "soyboys" all you like, it still qualifies as character development makes sense given prior movies in the MCU. People can change no matter what period of time and exposure to so and so, if you don't believe this then you are not a people person - which wouldn't be a surprise. Banner was The Hulk since Age of Ultron ended, of course he's not going to act like his usual self when he finds out he's been on an alien world as their star gladiator. Are you trying to debate seriously or are you trolling?
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Post by charzhino on Jul 10, 2018 10:09:33 GMT
people can change no matter what period of time and exposure to so and so, if you don't believe this then you are not a people person - which wouldn't be a surprise. Banner was The Hulk since Age of Ultron ended, of course he's not going to act like his usual self when he finds out he's been on an alien world as their star gladiator. Are you trying to debate seriously or are you trolling? Your perception on what character development is, is very misguided. In the context of the films there is zero logical sense to justify Thor turning to a full time comedian in Ragnarok in comparison from his last appearances in AoU and Thor 2. You claimed its because he hung out with Avengers and it turned him into a more humorous guy. Firstly hes always had a light hearted side to him in movies before Thor 3, but never to the extent in Ragnarok to the point of parody. In Thor 2, look at how he behaves after his mother Frigga dies. He is serious 95% of the time after that until the end of the movie, because his mother's death and the impending doom of Asgard has affected him deeply. In Ragnarok after Odin dies, hes 95% humourous even also knowing Asgard is on the verge of destruction from Hela!! You cant reconcile the 2 examples or pass it off as "character development ". Why would he act so differently?? Secondly hes not been with the Avengers since Age of Ultron in 2015. Hes back in his home world and realms and not exposed to Starks goofiness to an extent it would relay on him. Banner is worse. He wakes up in an alien world yet behaves like a giddy child in a candy store (you would expect Stark or Quill to act like this, not Banner). So much for the guy who was reserved and somewhat reclusive; afraid of controlling his rage in AoU and The Avengers. Good character development is someone like Captain America. His attitude changes are subtle, logical and therefore believable. Watching him in Cap 1 you would say hes the same person at heart as in IW 10 yeard later. Can you honesty say that about Banner and Thor? The only rational conclusion is that Disney dumbed down Banner and Thor in Ragnarok to make the films more appealing to the GotG target audience (families and kids). Why are you so ashamed to admit it??
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 13, 2018 7:26:18 GMT
people can change no matter what period of time and exposure to so and so, if you don't believe this then you are not a people person - which wouldn't be a surprise. Banner was The Hulk since Age of Ultron ended, of course he's not going to act like his usual self when he finds out he's been on an alien world as their star gladiator. Are you trying to debate seriously or are you trolling? Your perception on what character development is, is very misguided. In the context of the films there is zero logical sense to justify Thor turning to a full time comedian in Ragnarok in comparison from his last appearances in AoU and Thor 2. You claimed its because he hung out with Avengers and it turned him into a more humorous guy. Firstly hes always had a light hearted side to him in movies before Thor 3, but never to the extent in Ragnarok to the point of parody. In Thor 2, look at how he behaves after his mother Frigga dies. He is serious 95% of the time after that until the end of the movie, because his mother's death and the impending doom of Asgard has affected him deeply. In Ragnarok after Odin dies, hes 95% humourous even also knowing Asgard is on the verge of destruction from Hela!! You cant reconcile the 2 examples or pass it off as "character development ". Why would he act so differently?? Secondly hes not been with the Avengers since Age of Ultron in 2015. Hes back in his home world and realms and not exposed to Starks goofiness to an extent it would relay on him. Banner is worse. He wakes up in an alien world yet behaves like a giddy child in a candy store (you would expect Stark or Quill to act like this, not Banner). So much for the guy who was reserved and somewhat reclusive; afraid of controlling his rage in AoU and The Avengers. Good character development is someone like Captain America. His attitude changes are subtle, logical and therefore believable. Watching him in Cap 1 you would say hes the same person at heart as in IW 10 yeard later. Can you honesty say that about Banner and Thor? The only rational conclusion is that Disney dumbed down Banner and Thor in Ragnarok to make the films more appealing to the GotG target audience (families and kids). Why are you so ashamed to admit it?? He had more time to grieve for Frigga, they had a funeral and everything. When Odin passed on Hela arrived immediately on the scene and everything hit the fan including the kitchen sink. She destroyed his hammer, tossed him out of the Bifrost bridge before he could return to Asgard, and he landed on an alien world (figuratively and literally) with where he was kidnapped and forced to compete for their own amusement. He is of no royalty there, he is not worshipped as either a hero or a god, to everyone there he's just another face. He tries to reason with some on there, but its not as easy as it would be anywhere else. Loki he knows plenty about, but their squabble is neither here nor there when Hela poses such a threat to their home, he has to keep Banner calm because he is easier to reason with than The Hulk, Valkyrie isn't easy to reason with to begin with and left Asgard too long ago so he can't try and act all high and mighty to persuade her to help. Plus, the unfamiliar environment of the world of Sakaar leads to many unexpected emotional reactions - which fits and is not foreign to his character as seen in other movies, case in point in his debut in the first movie. Banner wanted to keep himself settled so he'd only transform when necessary (like on Asgard). He was reclusive in the first Avengers and thought he had it under control in AoU mostly but Scarlet Witch's manipulation and the destruction he caused was a huge emotional set back, all this taking place on Earth here was lightyears away.
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