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Post by politicidal on Jul 5, 2018 14:30:20 GMT
It's becoming more apparent that some people just need help.
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"...Star Wars (or any movie) may be important to you, but it doesn’t belong to you. If your self-esteem depends on how good you think the current Star Wars is, or your childhood is ruined because you don’t like something in a movie, GO TO THERAPY."
Edit: via twitter
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 5, 2018 14:32:39 GMT
I hated TLJ but I agree with this statement.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jul 5, 2018 14:37:22 GMT
Brilliant. Here is the actual tweet...
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Post by James Bond on Jul 5, 2018 14:38:23 GMT
It's becoming more apparent that some people just need help. Fixed. Edit: Well fuck that, that didn't work. |
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Post by politicidal on Jul 5, 2018 14:41:29 GMT
I hated TLJ but I agree with this statement. Yeah, right? If people don't like it, fine. We can go back and forth on the movie itself til kingdom come. But the incessant badgering of actors, the online harassment, the downvoting campaigns, etc. is out of hand. It's actually now caused the parent company to no longer take chances with auteur directors and even reliable journeyman filmmakers such as Christopher McQuarrie are openly admitting that they don't want to even volunteer for directing a Star Wars movie because of the constant scrutiny and fanboy backlash. That's not the fault of The Last Jedi or Kathleen Kennedy or Rey or whatever the target is atm. It's the fans. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jul 5, 2018 18:37:48 GMT
  "GO TO THERAPY", Mr Gunn must know what he is talking about. After all he gave the world the juvenile dreck a la " Dance Off, you big turd blossom", "Hahaha, I have famously huge turds." "Awwww, my sensitive nipples", "Did you create a penis?", "I'm Mary Poppins y'all" etc. Nothing less than the invention of the raccoon turd - therapy-worthy indeed. Not to forget about his idiot-insert constantly bullying a female character with how ugly she is, and all that culminating in the hyper-misogynist " Don't believe in yourself, believes in me who believes in you"...! You heard it, your MAN defines your self worth, gals.  In view of this and the lowbrow fanbase Mr Gunn and his ilk pander to I will lower myself in employing his bottom of-the-barrel penis, turd & nipples output:   Dear mr Gunn, I sincerely hope you are in good therapy...and someone threw away the key.
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Post by hobowar on Jul 5, 2018 20:18:57 GMT
Star Wars fans have somehow become worse than Nolan fans.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 5, 2018 20:35:54 GMT
Meh. No movie (regardless of how much I love or hate it) affects my self-esteem.
That said, in the end a movie is meant to be watched by people. Meant to be watched by the audience. So you can't just go, "Fuck the audience. This movie is not for you. If you don't like it, you can go fuck off."
Yeah, that's not a winning attitude right there. The responsible movie producer/director should listen to feedback from audiences.
P.S. - I do agree with his point regarding not taking out your hate on the actors though. Don't do it. The actors are just professionals doing the job they were tasked to do. Just because you hate their characters doesn't mean you should take it out on the actors.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jul 5, 2018 21:11:26 GMT
Meh. No movie (regardless of how much I love or hate it) affects my self-esteem. That said, in the end a movie is meant to be watched by people. Meant to be watched by the audience. So you can't just go, "Fuck the audience. This movie is not for you. If you don't like it, you can go fuck off." Yeah, that's not a winning attitude right there. The responsible movie producer/director should listen to feedback from audiences. P.S. - I do agree with his point regarding not taking out your hate on the actors though. Don't do it. The actors are just professionals doing the job they were tasked to do. Just because you hate their characters doesn't mean you should take it out on the actors. When you pay to go to a museum to see a painting if you don't like what you see, do you send death threats to the artist? Do you ask the artist to paint over it to your exacting specifications? Do you attempt to dictate what the artist will paint next? When you hear a piece of music by your favorite artist that you don't like, do you take any of the actions listed above? Of course not, it's much more likely that you'd decline to partake in that artist's future work than to start a campaign meant to persecute her or him or pressure that person into reissuing their previous works in a state that more closely aligns with your own sensibilities. There is a point at which we must all say, "this thing is passed, I have enjoyed it but, the time has come for me to set it aside, it is no longer meant for me." This is how we are meant to face childhood's end. For better or worse, The Force Awakens, Solo, and The Last Jedi are a part of the Star Wars canon. Lucas Film/Disney cannot serve two generations equally and thoroughly. The older must diminish as the younger takes hold. The Studios don't quite have the integrity of some musicians or artists but, they do have something in common with them. The work they create often reflects the tastes and sensibilities of the era it originated in. If you don't like what you see, you are likely are at odds with the times. Filmmakers make corporate-sponsored art. We trust artists to create work that widens our perceptions and brings joy into our lives. You can be critical of a work; however, you can't spew hate and bile at the artist if you disagree with what he or she has done. All your hopes, dreams and fantasies should never be tied to an escapist and frankly disposable artform. This kind of behavior was minimal before Social Media. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2018 21:24:46 GMT
I disagree with this "blame the fans for not liking it" mentality. I think the sequel trilogy is garbage, a diluted paint-by-numbers cash grab, made by committee, piece of crap that has absolutely no direction, creativity or originality.
But of course the fans are the villains for pointing that out.
It's great that some people like them, but why should the rest of us be forced to shut up and watch our beloved franchise die?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2018 21:26:38 GMT
Meh. No movie (regardless of how much I love or hate it) affects my self-esteem. That said, in the end a movie is meant to be watched by people. Meant to be watched by the audience. So you can't just go, "Fuck the audience. This movie is not for you. If you don't like it, you can go fuck off." Yeah, that's not a winning attitude right there. The responsible movie producer/director should listen to feedback from audiences. P.S. - I do agree with his point regarding not taking out your hate on the actors though. Don't do it. The actors are just professionals doing the job they were tasked to do. Just because you hate their characters doesn't mean you should take it out on the actors. When you pay to go to a museum to see a painting if you don't like what you see, do you send death threats to the artist? Do you ask the artist to paint over it to your exacting specifications? Do you attempt to dictate what the artist will paint next? When you hear a piece of music by your favorite artist that you don't like, do you take any of the actions listed above? Of course not, it's much more likely that you'd decline to partake in that artist's future work than to start a campaign meant to persecute her or him or pressure that person into reissuing their previous works in a state that more closely aligns with your own sensibilities. There is a point at which we must all say, "this thing is passed, I have enjoyed it but, the time has come for me to set it aside, it is no longer meant for me." This is how we are meant to face childhood's end. For better or worse, The Force Awakens, Solo, and The Last Jedi are a part of the Star Wars canon. Lucas Film/Disney cannot serve two generations equally and thoroughly. The older must diminish as the younger takes hold. The Studios don't quite have the integrity of some musicians or artists but, they do have something in common with them. The work they create often reflect the tastes and sensibilities of the era it originated in. If you don't like what you see, you are likely are at odds with the times. Filmmakers make corporate-sponsored art. We trust artists to create work that widens our perceptions and brings joy into our lives. You can be critical of a work; however, you can't spew hate and bile at the artist if you disagree with what he or she has done. All your hopes, dreams and fantasies should never be tied to an escapist and frankly disposable artform. This kind of behavior was minimal before Social Media. But the New Star Wars is not made by the original artists. It is a soulless cash grab mentality that lead to this wretched sequel trilogy. The artist metaphor does not apply here. To the prequels, yes. But not the sequels. |
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 5, 2018 21:29:24 GMT
Meh. No movie (regardless of how much I love or hate it) affects my self-esteem. That said, in the end a movie is meant to be watched by people. Meant to be watched by the audience. So you can't just go, "Fuck the audience. This movie is not for you. If you don't like it, you can go fuck off." Yeah, that's not a winning attitude right there. The responsible movie producer/director should listen to feedback from audiences. P.S. - I do agree with his point regarding not taking out your hate on the actors though. Don't do it. The actors are just professionals doing the job they were tasked to do. Just because you hate their characters doesn't mean you should take it out on the actors. When you pay to go to a museum to see a painting if you don't like what you see, do you send death threats to the artist? Do you ask the artist to paint over it to your exacting specifications? Do you attempt to dictate what the artist will paint next? When you hear a piece of music by your favorite artist that you don't like, do you take any of the actions listed above? Of course not, it's much more likely that you'd decline to partake in that artist's future work than to start a campaign meant to persecute her or him or pressure that person into reissuing their previous works in a state that more closely aligns with your own sensibilities. There is a point at which we must all say, "this thing is passed, I have enjoyed it but, the time has come for me to set it aside, it is no longer meant for me." This is how we are meant to face childhood's end. For better or worse, The Force Awakens, Solo, and The Last Jedi are a part of the Star Wars canon. Lucas Film/Disney cannot serve two generations equally and thoroughly. The older must diminish as the younger takes hold. The Studios don't quite have the integrity of some musicians or artists but, they do have something in common with them. The work they create often reflect the tastes and sensibilities of the era it originated in. If you don't like what you see, you are likely are at odds with the times. Filmmakers make corporate-sponsored art. We trust artists to create work that widens our perceptions and brings joy into our lives. You can be critical of a work; however, you can't spew hate and bile at the artist if you disagree with what he or she has done. All your hopes, dreams and fantasies should never be tied to an escapist and frankly disposable artform. This kind of behavior was minimal before Social Media. Yes and no. If you created art for a specific group of people then presented it to those people and they hated it, will you simply put your nose up and go, "Well I'm sorry you don't like it, suck it up"? Even worse if you weren't the original artist and you're simply trying to add a piece to an existing artist's collection... and then you ended up butchering your rendition of the originals, can you really say that you shouldn't hold any responsibility on said art piece? If it was only a single person who didn't like it, like your example, then you might have a point. But in the case of TLJ, this is a great majority of the fans complaining, not just one or two people. Again, let me clarify my stance here. Nowhere did I say that it was alright for the fans to go an attack the actors and filmmakers. However, if you made a movie and a good chunk of the fans who watched it reacted badly to it, are you just going to ignore it? Yes, the fans went overboard. Yes, the way they handled the situation was abhorrent. That still doesn't mean that the powers behind TLJ should simply ignore their complaints, because in the end movie-making is still a business,and in a business you need to take into consideration your consumers. If your consumers are clearly unhappy with the product they paid for then you can't simply wash your hands and claim you have no responsibility here, regardless of whether said consumers acted reprehensible or not. |
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 5, 2018 21:33:25 GMT
I disagree with this "blame the fans for not liking it" mentality. I think the sequel trilogy is garbage, a diluted paint-by-numbers cash grab, made by committee, piece of crap that has absolutely no direction, creativity or originality. But of course the fans are the villains for pointing that out. It's great that some people like them, but why should the rest of us be forced to shut up and watch our beloved franchise die? What it looks like to me is someone (or someones) simply being too arrogant to admit that they f*cked up. So they go and blame it all on the audiences. I mean, yes the fans deserve some of that blame, but it's not like the producers/directors/etc. are completely blameless in this scenario either. |
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Jul 5, 2018 21:35:33 GMT
"GO TO THERAPY", Mr Gunn must know what he is talking about. After all he gave the world the juvenile dreck a la " Dance Off, you big turd blossom", "Hahaha, I have famously huge turds." "Awwww, my sensitive nipples", "Did you create a penis?", "I'm Mary Poppins y'all" etc. Nothing less than the invention of the raccoon turd - therapy-worthy indeed. Not to forget about his idiot-insert constantly bullying a female character with how ugly she is, and all that culminating in the hyper-misogynist " Don't believe in yourself, believes in me who believes in you"...! You heard it, your MAN defines your self worth, gals. In view of this and the lowbrow fanbase Mr Gunn and his ilk pander to I will lower myself in employing his bottom of-the-barrel penis, turd & nipples output Dear mr Gunn, I sincerely hope you are in good therapy...and someone threw away the key.   |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 5, 2018 22:10:27 GMT
Here's the thing:
Are there fanboys and fangirls out there that need to chill the fuck out, possibly smoke weed for an hour?
Yes abso-fuvking-lutely! No questions asked.
But let's be honest here about James Gunn. This tweet is just another typical Hollywood jerkoff appealing to the popular trend on shitting on fans.
Yes there are fans who take it too far.
Yes there's people out there who need to log off the internet and get laid because HOLLY SHIT!
But I do wish James would fuck off with this high and mighty bullshit.
By the way where was this attitude when he got attacked for not including any LGBT characters in Guardians of the Galaxy vol 2?
Funny how it's okay to shit on one fandom when another fandom got pissy with him last year.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jul 5, 2018 22:16:30 GMT
When you pay to go to a museum to see a painting if you don't like what you see, do you send death threats to the artist? Do you ask the artist to paint over it to your exacting specifications? Do you attempt to dictate what the artist will paint next? When you hear a piece of music by your favorite artist that you don't like, do you take any of the actions listed above? Of course not, it's much more likely that you'd decline to partake in that artist's future work than to start a campaign meant to persecute her or him or pressure that person into reissuing their previous works in a state that more closely aligns with your own sensibilities. There is a point at which we must all say, "this thing is passed, I have enjoyed it but, the time has come for me to set it aside, it is no longer meant for me." This is how we are meant to face childhood's end. For better or worse, The Force Awakens, Solo, and The Last Jedi are a part of the Star Wars canon. Lucas Film/Disney cannot serve two generations equally and thoroughly. The older must diminish as the younger takes hold. The Studios don't quite have the integrity of some musicians or artists but, they do have something in common with them. The work they create often reflect the tastes and sensibilities of the era it originated in. If you don't like what you see, you are likely are at odds with the times. Filmmakers make corporate-sponsored art. We trust artists to create work that widens our perceptions and brings joy into our lives. You can be critical of a work; however, you can't spew hate and bile at the artist if you disagree with what he or she has done. All your hopes, dreams and fantasies should never be tied to an escapist and frankly disposable artform. This kind of behavior was minimal before Social Media. Yes and no. If you created art for a specific group of people then presented it to those people and they hated it, will you simply put your nose up and go, "Well I'm sorry you don't like it, suck it up"? Even worse if you weren't the original artist and you're simply trying to add a piece to an existing artist's collection... and then you ended up butchering your rendition of the originals, can you really say that you shouldn't hold any responsibility on said art piece? If it was only a single person who didn't like it, like your example, then you might have a point. But in the case of TLJ, this is a great majority of the fans complaining, not just one or two people. Again, let me clarify my stance here. Nowhere did I say that it was alright for the fans to go an attack the actors and filmmakers. However, if you made a movie and a good chunk of the fans who watched it reacted badly to it, are you just going to ignore it? Yes, the fans went overboard. Yes, the way they handled the situation was abhorrent. That still doesn't mean that the powers behind TLJ should simply ignore their complaints, because in the end movie-making is still a business,and in a business you need to take into consideration your consumers. If your consumers are clearly unhappy with the product they paid for then you can't simply wash your hands and claim you have no responsibility here, regardless of whether said consumers acted reprehensible or not. If that is truly your stance, than Star Wars isn't art. It's just a thing that is meant to be consumed. It's a consensus-driven commodity made by corporations for the masses to inhale and than exhale like any other waste product. It's not meant to be lasting or unique. Instead it's somehow meant to be made for a specific audience at a specific moment in time. It's the happy ending a John pays for after his massage. I don't think that Star Wars was meant solely for a specific group of people. That, in and of itself, defies economic reality. Star Wars was made for anyone willing to spend a ticket on it. The fandom's current attitude only guarantees that it will be shuddered as corporations deem the "commodity" to be too troublesome to continue to produce and maintain. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jul 5, 2018 22:35:34 GMT
When you pay to go to a museum to see a painting if you don't like what you see, do you send death threats to the artist? Do you ask the artist to paint over it to your exacting specifications? Do you attempt to dictate what the artist will paint next? When you hear a piece of music by your favorite artist that you don't like, do you take any of the actions listed above? Of course not, it's much more likely that you'd decline to partake in that artist's future work than to start a campaign meant to persecute her or him or pressure that person into reissuing their previous works in a state that more closely aligns with your own sensibilities. There is a point at which we must all say, "this thing is passed, I have enjoyed it but, the time has come for me to set it aside, it is no longer meant for me." This is how we are meant to face childhood's end. For better or worse, The Force Awakens, Solo, and The Last Jedi are a part of the Star Wars canon. Lucas Film/Disney cannot serve two generations equally and thoroughly. The older must diminish as the younger takes hold. The Studios don't quite have the integrity of some musicians or artists but, they do have something in common with them. The work they create often reflect the tastes and sensibilities of the era it originated in. If you don't like what you see, you are likely are at odds with the times. Filmmakers make corporate-sponsored art. We trust artists to create work that widens our perceptions and brings joy into our lives. You can be critical of a work; however, you can't spew hate and bile at the artist if you disagree with what he or she has done. All your hopes, dreams and fantasies should never be tied to an escapist and frankly disposable artform. This kind of behavior was minimal before Social Media. But the New Star Wars is not made by the original artists. It is a soulless cash grab mentality that lead to this wretched sequel trilogy. The artist metaphor does not apply here. To the prequels, yes. But not the sequels. Is it really so different, Lord Akbar? Do you really want consensus-driven art designed only for a rabid section of the fanbase? Do you want one section of the base to dominate the entire platform? Come to me in your darkest hour, search your feelings... |
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Post by charzhino on Jul 5, 2018 22:39:07 GMT
Why the fuck is James gunn so revered now and is always mouthing off on twitter whether it be about film drama and politics. Hes just a corporate Disney shill who thinks hes the golden child for producing 2 medoicre movies.
Newsflash James, the dedicated fans of franchise's like Star Wars pay the salary of film producers like you. Without the fans you are nothing. Even going so low to say long time fans should stop watching new product if they dont like it is abhorrent and an insult. You cant just stop supporting an entity that you have a long time, deep connection with. Thats like if a chairman of a football club told the fans to stop watching if they dont like the style of football the team is playing. Its an idiotic thing to say. Fans care about the product passionately and can voice any opinion they like, even if its deemed hateful. As long as it doesnt escalate to death threats or physical violence.
James Gunn is a fuckin dweeb.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2018 22:43:22 GMT
But the New Star Wars is not made by the original artists. It is a soulless cash grab mentality that lead to this wretched sequel trilogy. The artist metaphor does not apply here. To the prequels, yes. But not the sequels. Is it really so different, Lord Akbar? Do you really want consensus-driven art designed only for a rabid section of the fanbase? Do you want one section of the base to dominate the entire platform? Come to me in your darkest hour, search your feelings...The New Star Wars Trilogy is delibrately generic and designed specifically by consensus. It is not art. It is the opposite of art. I didn't want it to be designed specifically for one section of fans. That isn't my point. I wanted it to actually respect the original characters and tell worthwhile stories with some actual creativity and introduce new characters that were actually compelling. TFA was a lazy remake designed to capitalize on nostalgia and TLJ was a lazy remake of ESB that revealed that they had no outline for what would actually happen in this trilogy. Yes, this is my opinion and you can disagree. But I have the right to voice this opinion without being labeled as toxic by those who disagree. |
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 5, 2018 22:49:17 GMT
Yes and no. If you created art for a specific group of people then presented it to those people and they hated it, will you simply put your nose up and go, "Well I'm sorry you don't like it, suck it up"? Even worse if you weren't the original artist and you're simply trying to add a piece to an existing artist's collection... and then you ended up butchering your rendition of the originals, can you really say that you shouldn't hold any responsibility on said art piece? If it was only a single person who didn't like it, like your example, then you might have a point. But in the case of TLJ, this is a great majority of the fans complaining, not just one or two people. Again, let me clarify my stance here. Nowhere did I say that it was alright for the fans to go an attack the actors and filmmakers. However, if you made a movie and a good chunk of the fans who watched it reacted badly to it, are you just going to ignore it? Yes, the fans went overboard. Yes, the way they handled the situation was abhorrent. That still doesn't mean that the powers behind TLJ should simply ignore their complaints, because in the end movie-making is still a business,and in a business you need to take into consideration your consumers. If your consumers are clearly unhappy with the product they paid for then you can't simply wash your hands and claim you have no responsibility here, regardless of whether said consumers acted reprehensible or not. If that is truly your stance, than Star Wars isn't art. It's just a thing that is meant to be consumed. It's a consensus-driven commodity made by corporations for the masses to inhale and than exhale like any other waste product. It's not meant to be lasting or unique. Instead it's somehow meant to be made for a specific audience at a specific moment in time. It's the happy ending a John pays for after his massage. I don't think that Star Wars was meant solely for a specific group of people. That, in and of itself, defies economic reality. Star Wars was made for anyone willing to spend a ticket on it. The fandom's current attitude only guarantees that it will be shuddered as corporations deem the "commodity" to be too troublesome to continue to produce and maintain. Things are never that black and white in real life. Music is still art, and it's also marketable and consumed by billions of people. Different types of music is targeted and marketed to different kinds of people. Some music is free. Some are more artful than others. And some types of music die off because they don't have enough consumers to keep them alive. Same is true for movies. Just because they are target for different groups and consumers doesn't make then simple commodities nor does it mean they are no longer art. And though the target audience of TLJ was not exactly exclusive, a good chunk of that target audience was still the Star Wars fans. |
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"GO TO THERAPY", Mr Gunn must know what he is talking about. After all he gave the world the juvenile dreck a la "Dance Off, you big turd blossom", "Hahaha, I have famously huge turds." "Awwww, my sensitive nipples", "
