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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jul 27, 2018 8:24:00 GMT
We already know Gunn has a dark sense of humor, that doesn't mean he's a pedo. "I get lucky" can get interpreted in multiple ways, not all of them in a sexual manner. Do you have proof that Gunn said this and meant it in a sexual way or is this simply your interpretation? Because if it is, it speaks more about your thought process than his. I hate to side with Tristan, but it’s pretty obvious Gunn meant it in a sexual way. I hate to say this, but you just forfeited the titel of "Zombie Brains" for 3 months effective immediately, no appeal or remedy available. What can I say, no good deed goes unpunished.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jul 27, 2018 9:26:52 GMT
really Gunn refers to one of the snuff-videos showing an eagle snatch a toddler and kill the child. "I get lucky" is an popular idiom meaning to GET SEX. Normal people are shocked by a child getting snatched by a predatory animal. Not so with Gunn, instead of feeling shock or sympathy, he identifies himself with the predator and spins it into a sick child-rape joke again. Btw, it is not uncommon that pedos do pay large sums not only to rape a child, but to be allowed kill it afterwards as special climax, as a predator would. Leaves the question, PresidentAckbar has debunked and falsified your position entirely. What are you Gunn apologists hoping to prove? That deep down, we're all as ugly as you...? We already know Gunn has a dark sense of humor, that doesn't mean he's a pedo. " none of this makes sense, yes obviously he has a dark (depraved) "humor", but that does not stand in any correlation with him being a pedo.
A pedophile is an adult who is sexually attracted to children. What makes Gunn seem a pedophile are dozens of his own tweets in which he made child-rape comments and jokes, not ABOUT pedophils but rather for and in favor of pedephils/pedophilia with him sexually abusing children or him enjoying sexual acts in relation with children. Also, his contacts and edorsement of convicted pedophiles and pedo organisations like NAMBLA.
Even if Gunn was no pedophile that would make it WORSE as it shows that he is a psychopath making fun of him raping and sexual abusing children systematically and endoring the (highly criminal and damaging) cause of pedophilia even without having a pedo disposition himself.
surely it can, but why not go with the reasonable and obvious one? Like a court would, namely the one how language is generally understood, especially in contex with a guy who relentlessly makes comments about him enjoying raping children or children being sexually assaulted.
Even if we used your far out interpretation: "getting lucky" is a pretty psychopathic reaction to seeing a child snatched by a predator. Maybe similar to someone seeing a monkey sexually assault a child, and the traumatised, screaming child making that someone "extremely happy"? That does not sound like James "I like it when they touch me in my silly place" Gunn at all, right...?
You lack basic understanding of interpretation rules. Interpretation of text does not require proof, the evidence are the tweets made by Gunn. A court of law or tribunal interprets as follows since Ancient Roman law times (simplified):
1. Word interpretation: what does the text say? What is the meaning of idioms (check all dictionaries about "getting lucky")? Then: 2. Context interpretation: in which social and cultural context was the statement made? 3. Ratio/spirit: what is the meaning and intention of the words in ralation with the history, do they further a cause? 4.Contra proferentem rule: any ambiguous statement will in doubt be interpreted against the interests of the party that made that statement.
There is a reason Disney called Gunn's statements "indefensible". Listen to your Mouse house, they may make movies for children, but they are smart and very well advised.
or more likely this non sequitur shows your ignorance of basic interpretation rules and good morals when defending a guy making blatant child rape and other depraved comments and instead blaming those who are disgusted by it.
Which brings me back to my initial question: What are you hoping to prove? That deep down, we're all as ugly as you...?
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 27, 2018 9:29:58 GMT
If they keep Gunn's screenplay, they'll have to credit Gunn for it. It would look really bad to credit a pedophile for the script. I mean Disney did hire a convicted Pedophile to direct the film Powder. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_SalvaIt's not like their hands are clean.
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Post by blockbusted on Jul 27, 2018 11:01:24 GMT
We already know Gunn has a dark sense of humor, that doesn't mean he's a pedo. "I get lucky" can get interpreted in multiple ways, not all of them in a sexual manner. Do you have proof that Gunn said this and meant it in a sexual way or is this simply your interpretation? Because if it is, it speaks more about your thought process than his. I hate to side with Tristan, but it’s pretty obvious Gunn meant it in a sexual way. Umm... have you read the reply of mine?
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Post by kuatorises on Jul 27, 2018 13:54:56 GMT
But his tweets were known and public before Disney hired him. There are people who are frustrated at Disney hypocrisy. After this is a company that employed an actual pedophile. Yes, which makes it even worse. I means that: a. Either Disney knew of the tweets but didn't care or b. Disney didn't do a thorough background check on Gunn In either case, it still doesn't change the fact that Gunn did no questionable actions while under the employment of Disney, unlike Barr. To clarify, I'm not defending Gunn, not really. I'm more just condemning Disney for their abhorrent employee treatment.
Can we blame an individual for once and not "the man"?
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 27, 2018 21:08:35 GMT
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 27, 2018 21:42:47 GMT
Yes, which makes it even worse. I means that: a. Either Disney knew of the tweets but didn't care or b. Disney didn't do a thorough background check on Gunn In either case, it still doesn't change the fact that Gunn did no questionable actions while under the employment of Disney, unlike Barr. To clarify, I'm not defending Gunn, not really. I'm more just condemning Disney for their abhorrent employee treatment.
Can we blame an individual for once and not "the man"?
Sure. Give me the names of the people in Disney who approved this decision and I'll happily blame them by name.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 1:07:08 GMT
It's so odd that Gunn has so many defenders. The man is a sicko creep. Disney shouldve avoided him from the get go.
I can't believe fans are defending him just because they like the GotG movies. It's quite disturbing.
I like the movies too. I like them a lot... But I say: Fire his demented ass! Hire him again just to fire him twice! Build a time machine and fire him in 2014! Erase his GotG movies from history because even though they're good and I enjoy them, Gunn doesn't deserve the success!
Take the high road MCU fans!
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 28, 2018 1:37:32 GMT
It's so odd that Gunn has so many defenders. The man is a sicko creep. Disney shouldve avoided him from the get go. I can't believe fans are defending him just because they like the GotG movies. It's quite disturbing. I like the movies too. I like them a lot... But I say: Fire his demented ass! Hire him again just to fire him twice! Build a time machine and fire him in 2014! Erase his GotG movies from history because even though they're good and I enjoy them, Gunn doesn't deserve the success! Take the high road MCU fans! I'm not really defending Gunn, not really. To be perfectly honest, I'd much rather have Taika Waititi take over the GOTG movies. However, what I am doing is pointing out an unjust termination by Disney. Yes, Gunn is a creep. That still doesn't justify having his employment cut short, especially considering the timing of the termination in comparison to the timeline of the tweets.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 6:15:49 GMT
It's so odd that Gunn has so many defenders. The man is a sicko creep. Disney shouldve avoided him from the get go. I can't believe fans are defending him just because they like the GotG movies. It's quite disturbing. I like the movies too. I like them a lot... But I say: Fire his demented ass! Hire him again just to fire him twice! Build a time machine and fire him in 2014! Erase his GotG movies from history because even though they're good and I enjoy them, Gunn doesn't deserve the success! Take the high road MCU fans! I'm not really defending Gunn, not really. To be perfectly honest, I'd much rather have Taika Waititi take over the GOTG movies. However, what I am doing is pointing out an unjust termination by Disney. Yes, Gunn is a creep. That still doesn't justify having his employment cut short, especially considering the timing of the termination in comparison to the timeline of the tweets. I get that. The timeline is hypocritical for sure. Disney knew full well of all this when they hired him... But most people, like me, didn't know who Gunn was until he made the GotG movies therefore were not aware of his past. Many would not feel comfortable supporting the third movie now that we know who he really is. Disney really had no choice. They would've lost money. Gunn is the only one to blame. His own weird choices have come back to haunt him. As for Taika... That would be pretty good, but I'd really rather see him make more Thor movies with Hemsworth.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Jul 28, 2018 6:31:53 GMT
I can't believe fans are defending him just because they like the GotG movies. It's quite disturbing. Equally as disturbing as the non-fans who are hoping he wasn’t just joking and is an actual child molester just because they don’t like the GotG movies and/or the MCU in general. Take the high road DC-Fan and Pals!
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 28, 2018 7:43:38 GMT
It's so odd that Gunn has so many defenders. The man is a sicko creep. Disney shouldve avoided him from the get go. I can't believe fans are defending him just because they like the GotG movies. It's quite disturbing. I like the movies too. I like them a lot... But I say: Fire his demented ass! Hire him again just to fire him twice! Build a time machine and fire him in 2014! Erase his GotG movies from history because even though they're good and I enjoy them, Gunn doesn't deserve the success! Take the high road MCU fans! From what I've read so far, and believe me I combed through a lot of the discussions on various sites and message boards, James Gunn support mostly comes from people who either hate the Alt-right or hate anyone associated with Donald Trump. A large portion of the supporters agree that what James Gunn wrote was disgusting, but they fear that Disney just gave men like Mike a weapon to fight back. Basically what happened to James Gunn (his firing) is causing worry that they could target anyone else who's Anti-Trump Administration, like James Gunn is. Hell both Patton Oswalt and Sarah Silverman are currently being targeted. Are there MCU fans that are defending Gunn? Absolutely, you're going to get that with any fandom that becomes tribalist. But this #Rehirejamesgunn thing really is more of a political movement.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jul 28, 2018 8:26:47 GMT
I can't believe fans are defending him just because they like the GotG movies. It's quite disturbing. Equally as disturbing as the non-fans who are hoping he wasn’t just joking and is an actual child molester just because they don’t like the GotG movies and/or the MCU in general. Take the high road DC-Fan and Pals! You just don't get it.
I tell you what is most disturbing: Morally equating (!) fans endorsing a guy who relentlessly made child rape-comments (and other depraved comment) and who endorsed convicted pedophiles and pedo associations like NAMLA to those people who are disgusted by such a guy and the fans endorsing him. I tell you what I hope: That a depraved person like Gunn is never put in position anymore to harm a child or to encourage & endorse those who sexually abuse and harm children. And that people like you who systematically play down and defend child rape and other depraved crimes so to play petty politics and fanboyism are dealt with accordingly. What are you trying to prove? That deep down we are all as ugly as you? Don't try it, we have the high ground.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 16:25:31 GMT
It's so odd that Gunn has so many defenders. The man is a sicko creep. Disney shouldve avoided him from the get go. I can't believe fans are defending him just because they like the GotG movies. It's quite disturbing. I like the movies too. I like them a lot... But I say: Fire his demented ass! Hire him again just to fire him twice! Build a time machine and fire him in 2014! Erase his GotG movies from history because even though they're good and I enjoy them, Gunn doesn't deserve the success! Take the high road MCU fans! From what I've read so far, and believe me I combed through a lot of the discussions on various sites and message boards, James Gunn support mostly comes from people who either hate the Alt-right or hate anyone associated with Donald Trump. A large portion of the supporters agree that what James Gunn wrote was disgusting, but they fear that Disney just gave men like Mike a weapon to fight back. Basically what happened to James Gunn (his firing) is causing worry that they could target anyone else who's Anti-Trump Administration, like James Gunn is. Hell both Patton Oswalt and Sarah Silverman are currently being targeted. Are there MCU fans that are defending Gunn? Absolutely, you're going to get that with any fandom that becomes tribalist. But this #Rehirejamesgunn thing really is more of a political movement. I know. And believe me, I see the hypocrisy of the alt right and consider them a joke and a disease on our society. I also don't usually think people should be shunned because of past jokes... But Gunn's tweets were so demented and sick that I'm ok with the firing and can't defend him, even though it was the result of a bunch of hypocritical Trump supporters. This is a situation where everyone involved is wrong.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 28, 2018 16:52:00 GMT
From what I've read so far, and believe me I combed through a lot of the discussions on various sites and message boards, James Gunn support mostly comes from people who either hate the Alt-right or hate anyone associated with Donald Trump. A large portion of the supporters agree that what James Gunn wrote was disgusting, but they fear that Disney just gave men like Mike a weapon to fight back. Basically what happened to James Gunn (his firing) is causing worry that they could target anyone else who's Anti-Trump Administration, like James Gunn is. Hell both Patton Oswalt and Sarah Silverman are currently being targeted. Are there MCU fans that are defending Gunn? Absolutely, you're going to get that with any fandom that becomes tribalist. But this #Rehirejamesgunn thing really is more of a political movement. I know. And believe me, I see the hypocrisy of the alt right and consider them a joke and a disease on our society. I also don't usually think people should be shunned because of past jokes... But Gunn's tweets were so demented and sick that I'm ok with the firing and can't defend him, even though it was the result of a bunch of hypocritical Trump supporters. This is a situation where everyone involved is wrong. Believe me I support Disney decision. It really sucks that this became political.
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Post by damngumby on Jul 28, 2018 17:09:05 GMT
Gunn's tweets were so demented and sick that I'm ok with the firing and can't defend him, even though it was the result of a bunch of hypocritical Trump supporters. Trump supporters made Gunn write those things? Gunn was just making jokes that he thought his fellow liberals would enjoy. Little did he know that he’d some day fall victim to the same outrage mob he helped create.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 28, 2018 17:44:17 GMT
Gunn's tweets were so demented and sick that I'm ok with the firing and can't defend him, even though it was the result of a bunch of hypocritical Trump supporters. Trump supporters made Gunn write those things? Gunn was just making jokes that he thought his fellow liberals would enjoy. Little did he know that he’d some day fall victim to the same outrage mob he helped create. Hold on. If this truly was about his tweets then where was this outrage 6 years ago or even last year when it got brought up? None. Zip. Radio Silence. Why was it different this time? Oh right, James Gunn insulted your Supreme Leader Trump. None of you gave a fuck about him or his tweets, but as soon as Mr Gunn said mean things about your daddy Trump that's when you guys cared. So you rallied behind a rape apologist who nearly got an innocent man killed, all because of some bullshit conspiracy theory. But please go on about how you're some harbinger of Justice when none of you ever gave a shit. And while your at it, please explain how it's moral to vote for a man that bragged about sexually assaulting women.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 17:49:50 GMT
Gunn's tweets were so demented and sick that I'm ok with the firing and can't defend him, even though it was the result of a bunch of hypocritical Trump supporters. Trump supporters made Gunn write those things? Gunn was just making jokes that he thought his fellow liberals would enjoy. Little did he know that he’d some day fall victim to the same outrage mob he helped create. I bet Roy Moore enjoyed Gunn's tweets quite a bit... He's an anti-Trump liberal, right? Oh wait...
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Post by damngumby on Jul 28, 2018 19:16:34 GMT
Trump supporters made Gunn write those things? Gunn was just making jokes that he thought his fellow liberals would enjoy. Little did he know that he’d some day fall victim to the same outrage mob he helped create. Hold on. If this truly was about his tweets then where was this outrage 6 years ago or even last year when it got brought up? None. Zip. Radio Silence. Why was it different this time? Oh right, James Gunn insulted your Supreme Leader Trump. None of you gave a fuck about him or his tweets, but as soon as Mr Gunn said mean things about your daddy Trump that's when you guys cared. So you rallied behind a rape apologist who nearly got an innocent man killed, all because of some bullshit conspiracy theory.But please go on about how you're some harbinger of Justice when none of you ever gave a shit. And while your at it, please explain how it's moral to vote for a man that bragged about sexually assaulting women. Good question. Gunn’s twitter audience was like-minded libs, so this is the first time most Trump supporters have seen his tweets. Apparently, it was just business as usual for his twitter followers.The tweets have now been revealed to the entire country where that sort of “edgy” humor doesn’t play so well. Hillary Clinton defending her husbands behavior?Benghazi? Those innocent men did die ... and it wasn’t because of the bullshit story the Obama White House was peddling.I still don’t give a shit. I just find it amusing how the left-wing outrage mob is now eating its own.
The alternative was Hillary Clinton. Do I need to go on?
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 28, 2018 20:23:07 GMT
It's so odd that Gunn has so many defenders. The man is a sicko creep. Disney shouldve avoided him from the get go. I can't believe fans are defending him just because they like the GotG movies. It's quite disturbing. I like the movies too. I like them a lot... But I say: Fire his demented ass! Hire him again just to fire him twice! Build a time machine and fire him in 2014! Erase his GotG movies from history because even though they're good and I enjoy them, Gunn doesn't deserve the success! Take the high road MCU fans! From what I've read so far, and believe me I combed through a lot of the discussions on various sites and message boards, James Gunn support mostly comes from people who either hate the Alt-right or hate anyone associated with Donald Trump. So that sick pedophile Gunn is not only being supported by MCU fans but also by hypocritical liberals. The same hypocritical liberals who preach tolerance and accepting people for who they are yet are so quick to defend a restaurant owner who refused to serve Trump's press secretary simply because she works for Trump.
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