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Post by RedDeadFallout on Jul 28, 2018 21:55:57 GMT
From what I've read so far, and believe me I combed through a lot of the discussions on various sites and message boards, James Gunn support mostly comes from people who either hate the Alt-right or hate anyone associated with Donald Trump. So that sick pedophile Gunn is not only being supported by MCU fans but also by hypocritical liberals. The same hypocritical liberals who preach tolerance and accepting people for who they are yet are so quick to defend a restaurant owner who refused to serve Trump's press secretary simply because she works for Trump. You'll find that people who attack others with words like pedephile with no evidence are often the real sickos. Just look at the guy who started this. |
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Jul 28, 2018 22:09:28 GMT
Equally as disturbing as the non-fans who are hoping he wasn’t just joking and is an actual child molester just because they don’t like the GotG movies and/or the MCU in general. Take the high road DC-Fan and Pals! You just don't get it.
I tell you what is most disturbing: Morally equating (!) fans endorsing a guy who relentlessly made child rape-comments (and other depraved comment) and who endorsed convicted pedophiles and pedo associations like NAMLA to those people who are disgusted by such a guy and the fans endorsing him. I tell you what I hope: That a depraved person like Gunn is never put in position anymore to harm a child or to encourage & endorse those who sexually abuse and harm children. And that people like you who systematically play down and defend child rape and other depraved crimes so to play petty politics and fanboyism are dealt with accordingly. What are you trying to prove? That deep down we are all as ugly as you? Don't try it, we have the high ground. Reading comprehension is not your forte, huh? I never equated the people who are disgusted by Gunn to the fans who are defending him. I equated the people like DC-Fan who don’t care that there is no actual evidence that Gunn ever touched a child and are calling him a pedophile and hoping he’s a pedophile just because they don’t like his stupid movies to the people defending him. But I shouldn’t have because the people like DC-Fan are actually worse. Hoping for someone to be a horrible person/criminal just because you don’t like their movies is seriously fucked up. Most of the people who are defending Gunn are defending him because they don’t believe he’s a pedophile. They’re not defending his disgusting jokes, they’re defending him from the accusations that he’s a pedophile and they are doing so because there’s no evidence he’s a pedophile so they don’t believe he’s a pedophile. I don’t think there’s anything fucked up about it. I mean, if people keep saying someone is a horrible person and you don’t believe they are, isn’t it normal to defend them? I think it is. Personally I think Gunn is a shitty fucked up person for making jokes like that, but I don’t believe he’s a pedophile because there’s no evidence of it and I don’t think a criminal would brag about their crimes on social media unless they wanted to get caught. I’m defending him because I believe what he is is NOWHERE NEAR as bad as what some people are claiming he is. And it has nothing to do with the fact that I like some of his movies. I wouldn’t call myself a fan of the guy, the only movie of his I love is the Dawn of the Dead remake and he only wrote it. “I tell you what I hope: That a depraved person like Gunn is never put in position anymore to harm a child” What the hell? There is no evidence he’s ever harmed a child. No allegations, no accusations, NOTHING. “people like you who defend child rape and other depraved crimes” You have completely lost it, haven’t you? Who is defending child rape and other depraved crimes? WHO? Please show me where I or anyone has defended child rape or other depraved crimes. No one is defending child rape. There’s a HUGE difference between defending someone who some people are calling a child rapist with no evidence whatsoever because you DON’T BELIEVE that person has ever touched a child and defending child rape. Seriously that comment was fucked up. |
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 28, 2018 22:31:42 GMT
Doesn't really matter if you're conservative or liberal, whether you support Trump or not. If you take your ideas to the extreme, they will always end up badly. Doesn't matter if you lean to the left or right, if you lean too far out you'll end up toppling the boat.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jul 28, 2018 23:38:24 GMT
You just don't get it.
I tell you what is most disturbing: Morally equating (!) fans endorsing a guy who relentlessly made child rape-comments (and other depraved comment) and who endorsed convicted pedophiles and pedo associations like NAMLA to those people who are disgusted by such a guy and the fans endorsing him. I tell you what I hope: That a depraved person like Gunn is never put in position anymore to harm a child or to encourage & endorse those who sexually abuse and harm children. And that people like you who systematically play down and defend child rape and other depraved crimes so to play petty politics and fanboyism are dealt with accordingly. What are you trying to prove? That deep down we are all as ugly as you? Don't try it, we have the high ground. Reading comprehension is not your forte, huh? I never equated the people who are disgusted by Gunn to the fans who are defending him. I equated the people like DC-Fan who don’t care that there is no actual evidence that Gunn ever touched a child and are calling him a pedophile and hoping he’s a pedophile just because they don’t like his stupid movies to the people defending him. But I shouldn’t have because the people like DC-Fan are actually worse. Hoping for someone to be a horrible person/criminal just because you don’t like their movies is seriously fucked up. Most of the people who are defending Gunn are defending him because they don’t believe he’s a pedophile. They’re not defending his disgusting jokes, they’re defending him from the accusations that he’s a pedophile and they are doing so because there’s no evidence he’s a pedophile so they don’t believe he’s a pedophile. I don’t think there’s anything fucked up about it. I mean, if you believe someone isn’t a horrible person and people keep saying they’re a horrible person, isn’t it normal to defend them? I think it is. Personally I think Gunn is a shitty fucked up person for making jokes like that, but I don’t believe he’s a pedophile. I’m defending him because I believe what he is is NOWHERE NEAR as bad as what some people are claiming he is. And it has nothing to do with the fact that I like some of his movies. I wouldn’t call myself a fan of the guy, the only movie of his I love is the Dawn of the Dead remake and he only wrote it. “I tell you what I hope: That a depraved person like Gunn is never put in position anymore to harm a child” What the hell? There is no evidence he’s ever harmed a child. No allegations, no accusations, NOTHING. “people like you who defend child rape and other depraved crimes” You have completely lost it, haven’t you? Who is defending child rape and other depraved crimes? WHO? Please show me where I or anyone has defended child rape or other depraved crimes. No one is defending child rape. There’s a HUGE difference between defending someone who some people are calling a child rapist with no evidence whatsoever because you DON’T BELIEVE that person has ever touched a child and defending child rape. Seriously that comment was fucked up. speaking of comprehension. There are things you should understand morally. 1. Pedophiles are not evil per se. They did not chose to be like that. It's a disposition. Most of them fight these urges their entire life without getting criminal. 2. But, acting on pedophilia urges is evil and punishable because it causes severe damage and trauma for children. "Acting" means publicly encouraging pedophilic behavior or playing down pedophilia, or possessing pedo porn, or worst, raping a child. 3. It is irrelevant if Gunn actually is a pedophile. He enjoyed himself making child rape comments and encouraged and endorsed pedophiles and pedo associations (NAMBLA). 4. If Gunn is no pedophile it would make his comments even worse: Tweeting child rape comments just for fun and attention is beyond disturbed and psychopathic. Preying and gloating at the rape of the weakest parts of society shows a lack of character, compassion and of basic morals. As Disney put it succinctly "indefensible". |
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Jul 28, 2018 23:45:47 GMT
Reading comprehension is not your forte, huh? I never equated the people who are disgusted by Gunn to the fans who are defending him. I equated the people like DC-Fan who don’t care that there is no actual evidence that Gunn ever touched a child and are calling him a pedophile and hoping he’s a pedophile just because they don’t like his stupid movies to the people defending him. But I shouldn’t have because the people like DC-Fan are actually worse. Hoping for someone to be a horrible person/criminal just because you don’t like their movies is seriously fucked up. Most of the people who are defending Gunn are defending him because they don’t believe he’s a pedophile. They’re not defending his disgusting jokes, they’re defending him from the accusations that he’s a pedophile and they are doing so because there’s no evidence he’s a pedophile so they don’t believe he’s a pedophile. I don’t think there’s anything fucked up about it. I mean, if you believe someone isn’t a horrible person and people keep saying they’re a horrible person, isn’t it normal to defend them? I think it is. Personally I think Gunn is a shitty fucked up person for making jokes like that, but I don’t believe he’s a pedophile. I’m defending him because I believe what he is is NOWHERE NEAR as bad as what some people are claiming he is. And it has nothing to do with the fact that I like some of his movies. I wouldn’t call myself a fan of the guy, the only movie of his I love is the Dawn of the Dead remake and he only wrote it. “I tell you what I hope: That a depraved person like Gunn is never put in position anymore to harm a child” What the hell? There is no evidence he’s ever harmed a child. No allegations, no accusations, NOTHING. “people like you who defend child rape and other depraved crimes” You have completely lost it, haven’t you? Who is defending child rape and other depraved crimes? WHO? Please show me where I or anyone has defended child rape or other depraved crimes. No one is defending child rape. There’s a HUGE difference between defending someone who some people are calling a child rapist with no evidence whatsoever because you DON’T BELIEVE that person has ever touched a child and defending child rape. Seriously that comment was fucked up. speaking of comprehension. There are things you should understand morally. 1. Pedophiles are not evil per se. They did not chose to be like that. It's a disposition. Most of them fight these urges their entire life without getting criminal. 2. But, acting on pedophilia urges is evil and punishable because it causes severe damage and trauma for children. "Acting" means publicly encouraging pedophilic behavior or playing down pedophilia, or possessing pedo porn, or worst, raping a child. 3. It is irrelevant if Gunn actually is a pedophile. He enjoyed himself making child rape comments and encouraged and endorsed pedophiles and pedo associations (NAMBLA). 4. If Gunn is no pedophile it would make his comments even worse: Tweeting child rape comments just for fun and attention is beyond disturbed and psychopathic. Preying and gloating at the rape of the weakest parts of society shows a lack of character, compassion and of basic morals. As Disney put it succinctly "indefensible". Everytime I used the word “pedophile” in my post I was implying someone who acts on their urges. I do realize some pedophiles don’t act on their urges. “Acting means publicly encouraging pedophilic behavior or playing down pedophilia” Yeah, no. You made that up. That has nothing to do with acting on pedophilia urges. Of course a person who supports pedophilia is most likely a pedophile, but it has nothing to do with acting on urges. I’m pretty sure Gunn doesn’t actually support pedophilia and just made these comments to be an “edgelord” and shock people. Also like I said before I really doubt a pedophile would leave clues they’re a pedophile on social media for everyone to see unless they wanted to get in trouble. “Acting means possessing pedo porn, or worst, raping a child” Correct. It is totally relevant if Gunn is a pedophile who acts on his urges or if he isn’t a pedophile. Someone who makes jokes about raping kids, while terrible, has never been and will never be anywhere near as bad as someone who actually rapes kids. A child rapist deserves life in prison or the death penalty, someone who jokes about it? No. They do deserve to lose their job though. |
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Post by kuatorises on Jul 30, 2018 13:38:57 GMT
It's so odd that Gunn has so many defenders. The man is a sicko creep. Disney shouldve avoided him from the get go. I can't believe fans are defending him just because they like the GotG movies. It's quite disturbing. I like the movies too. I like them a lot... But I say: Fire his demented ass! Hire him again just to fire him twice! Build a time machine and fire him in 2014! Erase his GotG movies from history because even though they're good and I enjoy them, Gunn doesn't deserve the success! Take the high road MCU fans! I'm not really defending Gunn, not really. To be perfectly honest, I'd much rather have Taika Waititi take over the GOTG movies. However, what I am doing is pointing out an unjust termination by Disney. Yes, Gunn is a creep. That still doesn't justify having his employment cut short, especially considering the timing of the termination in comparison to the timeline of the tweets. Unjust  |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 30, 2018 14:00:16 GMT
Hold on. If this truly was about his tweets then where was this outrage 6 years ago or even last year when it got brought up? None. Zip. Radio Silence. Why was it different this time? Oh right, James Gunn insulted your Supreme Leader Trump. None of you gave a fuck about him or his tweets, but as soon as Mr Gunn said mean things about your daddy Trump that's when you guys cared. So you rallied behind a rape apologist who nearly got an innocent man killed, all because of some bullshit conspiracy theory.But please go on about how you're some harbinger of Justice when none of you ever gave a shit. And while your at it, please explain how it's moral to vote for a man that bragged about sexually assaulting women.
Benghazi? Those innocent men did die ... and it wasn’t because of the bullshit story the Obama White House was peddling.
I still don’t give a shit. I just find it amusing how the left-wing outrage mob is now eating its own.
The alternative was Hillary Clinton. Do I need to go on?All fair points. To be honest I don't know how many people are aware of the reality behind Benghazi so I don't know how much that swayed the election, but it's probably the best reason I can think of not to vote for Hillary, and there were plenty of those. It's odd to me how people are defending Gunn. If a Trump supporter had made identical comments, no matter how long ago they were, they would've been chased out of Hollywood never to be heard from again. You know I'm not fan of Trump but the hypocrisy of the outrage over Gunn's firing is mind blowing. The guy said some creepy shit; whether or not that humor is your cup of team is no longer relevant because the twitter mob is judge, jury and executioner. To make matters worse, these celebs would not be defending Gunn like they are if a random fan dug this stuff up. It's purely a political issue in their minds. This entire ridiculous saga is proof of the exceedingly frustrating place American culture finds itself right now. Nothing is funny and everything is politicized. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jul 30, 2018 17:11:40 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2018 17:18:54 GMT
Don't want people to think you're a weirdo creep? Don't admit to being one on Twitter. Gunn may or may not be an actual predator... But he is a fucking idiot. And he doesn't have my pity.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jul 30, 2018 17:30:48 GMT
Don't want people to think you're a weirdo creep? Don't admit to being one on Twitter. Gunn may or may not be an actual predator... But he is a fucking idiot. And he doesn't have my pity. Lord Akbar, I know you to be a man of great wisdom and wit. Hast thou not made a critical error in judgment at some point in thy long and storied career as the vanquisher of traps? I beseech you, my Lord. Can we not at least express condolences for the fallen? He gave his career for the reunification... blessed be thy Gunn. Hee hee hee... |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 30, 2018 17:31:29 GMT
This is getting pretty ridiculous. Gunn made very inappropriate and questionable attempts at humor in the past and it came up and bit him in the ass years later and Disney fired him. What's done is done, if Disney suddenly decides to re-hire him then they might as well re-hire Roseanne Barr and turn The Connors into the next season of Roseanne (Mind you, what Gunn wrote was much, much worse than Barr had which cost her her show).
I understand he's a good friend and everything, business is business. They can easily find another director to take over Vol 3 and who knows? They might even do a better job than Gunn did with the other two movies for all we know.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 30, 2018 17:41:01 GMT
Oh wow they got Vin and Bradley? I didn't expect those two to comment on the controversy.
My feelings aside, it's nice to see the cast rally behind Gunn.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jul 30, 2018 17:42:11 GMT
This is getting pretty ridiculous. Gunn made very inappropriate and questionable attempts at humor in the past and it came up and bit him in the ass years later and Disney fired him. What's done is done, if Disney suddenly decides to re-hire him then they might as well re-hire Roseanne Barr and turn The Connors into the next season of Roseanne (Mind you, what Gunn wrote was much, much worse than Barr had which cost her her show). I understand he's a good friend and everything, business is business. They can easily find another director to take over Vol 3 and who knows? They might even do a better job than Gunn did with the other two movies for all we know. Just as Disney was obliged to fire Gunn no matter what the extenuating circumstances were, Jim's TRUE friends were honor-bound to defend him, regardless of how ultimately futile the gesture. It's not ridiculousness, its loyalty, and it's in very short supply these days. Lord Death Man says, good on them. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 30, 2018 17:50:34 GMT
"We hope Americans from across the political spectrum can ease up on the character assassinations and stop weaponizing mob mentality."
Yeah that would be great.
But we're not getting that anytime soon.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jul 30, 2018 17:53:24 GMT
This is getting pretty ridiculous. Gunn made very inappropriate and questionable attempts at humor in the past and it came up and bit him in the ass years later and Disney fired him. What's done is done, if Disney suddenly decides to re-hire him then they might as well re-hire Roseanne Barr and turn The Connors into the next season of Roseanne (Mind you, what Gunn wrote was much, much worse than Barr had which cost her her show). I understand he's a good friend and everything, business is business. They can easily find another director to take over Vol 3 and who knows? They might even do a better job than Gunn did with the other two movies for all we know. I would think the big difference between Gunn and Barr is that Barr’s statements were recent, while Gunn’s were from a point in his life that he already apologized for. |
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 30, 2018 17:54:56 GMT
This is getting pretty ridiculous. Gunn made very inappropriate and questionable attempts at humor in the past and it came up and bit him in the ass years later and Disney fired him. What's done is done, if Disney suddenly decides to re-hire him then they might as well re-hire Roseanne Barr and turn The Connors into the next season of Roseanne (Mind you, what Gunn wrote was much, much worse than Barr had which cost her her show). I understand he's a good friend and everything, business is business. They can easily find another director to take over Vol 3 and who knows? They might even do a better job than Gunn did with the other two movies for all we know. As much as I condemn Disney for their unjust firing of Gunn... I have to admit that rehiring him is just not the right move. It's just going to get messier if they go that route. The best thing for them to do is simply give him a decent severance pay and call it quits... like what most companies do. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2018 17:58:34 GMT
Don't want people to think you're a weirdo creep? Don't admit to being one on Twitter. Gunn may or may not be an actual predator... But he is a fucking idiot. And he doesn't have my pity. Lord Akbar, I know you to be a man of great wisdom and wit. Hast thou not made a critical error in judgment at some point in your long and storied career as the vanquisher of traps? I beseech you, my Lord. Can we not at least express condolences for the fallen. He gave his career for the reunification... blessed be thy Gunn. Hee hee hee... Point taken, Skull Man. And I've been known to occasionally fall into a TRAP or two of my own making. And I definately have made jokes that have offended. In fact, just last year I would often joke about the Charlottesville Nazis... Not because I wasn't just as disturbed at the racism as anyone else (I was) but because a bunch of Nazis in 21st century America marching in jeans with tiki torches was something I also found undeniably hilarious. Alas, my bit (which I repeated often) did offend some people in real life. The lesson: never joke about Nazis at your sister's wedding. Wait- What were we talking about again? |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 30, 2018 18:16:28 GMT
This is getting pretty ridiculous. Gunn made very inappropriate and questionable attempts at humor in the past and it came up and bit him in the ass years later and Disney fired him. What's done is done, if Disney suddenly decides to re-hire him then they might as well re-hire Roseanne Barr and turn The Connors into the next season of Roseanne (Mind you, what Gunn wrote was much, much worse than Barr had which cost her her show). I understand he's a good friend and everything, business is business. They can easily find another director to take over Vol 3 and who knows? They might even do a better job than Gunn did with the other two movies for all we know. I would think the big difference between Gunn and Barr is that Barr’s statements were recent, while Gunn’s were from a point in his life that he already apologized for. As far as the internet is concerned it doesn't really matter when the statements were made, they're all there for the world to see at any time and any place, and no amount of apologizing whether in the past or recently can convince every person and make things right in their mind. Just sayin'. |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 30, 2018 18:19:19 GMT
This is getting pretty ridiculous. Gunn made very inappropriate and questionable attempts at humor in the past and it came up and bit him in the ass years later and Disney fired him. What's done is done, if Disney suddenly decides to re-hire him then they might as well re-hire Roseanne Barr and turn The Connors into the next season of Roseanne (Mind you, what Gunn wrote was much, much worse than Barr had which cost her her show). I understand he's a good friend and everything, business is business. They can easily find another director to take over Vol 3 and who knows? They might even do a better job than Gunn did with the other two movies for all we know. As much as I condemn Disney for their unjust firing of Gunn... I have to admit that rehiring him is just not the right move. It's just going to get messier if they go that route. The best thing for them to do is simply give him a decent severance pay and call it quits... like what most companies do. Pretty much. It would bring unnecessary controversy for a major release and to their major cash cow Marvel Studios, which they do not want to risk. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jul 30, 2018 18:30:14 GMT
I would think the big difference between Gunn and Barr is that Barr’s statements were recent, while Gunn’s were from a point in his life that he already apologized for. As far as the internet is concerned it doesn't really matter when the statements were made, they're all there for the world to see at any time and any place, and no amount of apologizing whether in the past or recently can convince every person and make things right in their mind. Just sayin'. It seems that as far as the cast of the GotG movies are concerned, it does make a difference, since these guys seem to genuinely believe that Gunn has in fact changed. If Barr can prove that she’s able to change for the better, she should also be forgiven. |
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