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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 13, 2018 16:09:14 GMT
so the fail at real internl conflict. the cure should be brought up again, if the wtiters cared about the earlier stories. zemo didnt' know about the accords but even if he did they were one part of the story, his plan was another type of attack. and it wasnt forgotten because steev is still a fugitive and iron man didnt forgive him or anything. they just had another problem to worry about. zemos plans was no worse than joker or how apocalypse had everything be better jhust because mystique didnt short one guy. [/p][/quote] The only film that failed at internal conflict was civil war. Go watch the movie again, the debate and "conflict" about the Sokovia Accords and government involvement ENDS after 30 minutes. The story in X3 about the cure is present from start to finish. And the way internal conflict is handled in CW is silly, by having a playfight in a public airport. Look at how X3 deals with it No playfight around the X mansion because some disagree with introducing the cure lmao. But hey, as long as that airport scene is cool and funny thats all that matters right, regardless of how it is tonally out of sync with the rest of the movie.[/quote] <iframe width="10.6" height="6.89999999999998" id="MoatPxIOPT0_9180423" scrolling="no" style="border-style: none; left: 5px; top: 343px; width: 10.6px; height: 6.9px; position: absolute; z-index: -9999;"></iframe> <iframe width="10.6" height="6.89999999999998" id="MoatPxIOPT0_45656148" scrolling="no" style="border-style: none; left: 473px; top: 343px; width: 10.6px; height: 6.9px; position: absolute; z-index: -9999;"></iframe> <iframe width="10.6" height="6.89999999999998" id="MoatPxIOPT0_2625763" scrolling="no" style="border-style: none; left: 5px; top: 631px; width: 10.6px; height: 6.9px; position: absolute; z-index: -9999;"></iframe> <iframe width="10.6" height="6.89999999999998" id="MoatPxIOPT0_41291163" scrolling="no" style="border-style: none; left: 473px; top: 631px; width: 10.6px; height: 6.9px; position: absolute; z-index: -9999;"></iframe> That's why the X-Men movies are so far superior to MCU movies. That debate about the mutant cure is far superior to the lame argument over Accords in Civil War. formersamhmd just got owned!
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Post by charzhino on Aug 13, 2018 16:29:14 GMT
That's why the X-Men movies are so far superior to MCU movies. That debate about the mutant cure is far superior to the lame argument over Accords in Civil War. formersamhmd just got owned! This is why people say critics are easily pleased by MCU movies just because they have pretty choreographed action scenes. That airport fight is great in isolation but in terms of its relevance to the story, its a poorly written, contrived fight sequence that makes zero sense. And makes the Avengers look like grown babys compared to how the Xmen deal with internal conflict like mature adults they are.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 16:54:06 GMT
No, it was very good. Its one of the best stories that shows Magnetos tentative yet sympathetic relationship to the Xmen and was also one of the very few stories that challenges religious doctrine of prosthelytizing by extremist preachers in mainland America. i read it cause i wanted to see what the hubbub was about. it was nothing special. stryker was too crazy and 1d to take seriously so the religious stuff just came off as silly.
and the comics again waste time on magneto, just like the movies.
Ok, seriously, Sam. Stop hijacking my thread with your nonsense or I'll report you to admin and get you banned again. Harsh? Yes. But people are trying to have a real discussion here and we don't need you spouting the same crap over and over. Begone from this thread! Last warning.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Aug 13, 2018 16:56:28 GMT
That's why the X-Men movies are so far superior to MCU movies. That debate about the mutant cure is far superior to the lame argument over Accords in Civil War. formersamhmd just got owned! This is why people say critics are easily pleased by MCU movies just because they have pretty choreographed action scenes. That airport fight is great in isolation but in terms of its relevance to the story, its a poorly written, contrived fight sequence that makes zero sense. And makes the Avengers look like grown babys compared to how the Xmen deal with internal conflict like mature adults they are. Civil War has never sat well with me for exactly this reason. It raises some interesting questions and it's filled with fun action sequences, yet you're left wondering why it came to blows. I was never a huge fan of the airport fight for the opposite reason, though. I didn't think they were fighting like children, I thought they were completely insane. They said they didn't really want to hurt each other but Scarlet Witch was throwing cars at people, Cap drops a jet bridge on Spider-Man's head without knowing he can support it and Vision would have killed Falcon with that blast. (And let's not even mention the nonsense of Tony recruiting a teenager to take part in a super powered brawl when his entire argument is that innocent people get hurt when they do their job.) The showdown between Cap and Tony is incredible but it doesn't feel entirely earned because you know they should've resolved this with a five minute conversation. Having seen Winter Soldier you know where Cap is coming from, but everything Rhodey says at the initial meeting about the accords is right. Cap sounds like a terrorist when he says the only people who should oversee the heroes are themselves. Ironically, he sounds like Nick Fury in WS. That being said, I never had a problem with Zemo's plan. He didn't actually require Cap and Tony to be there at the same time, that was just a bonus. As long as Tony saw the footage (from that video camera set up in the woods for no reason) and suspected Steve knew the truth and held it from him, they would be at odds. That's all he wanted. Notice he didn't even stick around to watch, he just left. I also love Zemo's conversation with T'Challa in that sequence. Civil War has grown on me over the last couple of years, but I still remember the feeling I had walking out of the theater; that while the reason behind the conflict was a genuine moral disagreement, how they resolved the conflict didn't add up.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Aug 13, 2018 17:20:59 GMT
i read it cause i wanted to see what the hubbub was about. it was nothing special. stryker was too crazy and 1d to take seriously so the religious stuff just came off as silly.
and the comics again waste time on magneto, just like the movies.
Ok, seriously, Sam. Stop hijacking my thread with your nonsense or I'll report you to admin and get you banned again. Harsh? Yes. But people are trying to have a real discussion here and we don't need you spouting the same crap over and over. Begone from this thread! Last warning.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Aug 13, 2018 17:26:02 GMT
No, it was very good. Its one of the best stories that shows Magnetos tentative yet sympathetic relationship to the Xmen and was also one of the very few stories that challenges religious doctrine of prosthelytizing by extremist preachers in mainland America. i read it cause i wanted to see what the hubbub was about. it was nothing special. stryker was too crazy and 1d to take seriously so the religious stuff just came off as silly.
and the comics again waste time on magneto, just like the movies.
Sounds like you're ashamed of comics.
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Post by dazz on Aug 13, 2018 17:26:48 GMT
oooh one more comment and things could get ugly.
Ackbar is Vince, the other dude is Austin. hehehe.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Aug 13, 2018 17:35:22 GMT
oooh one more comment and things could get ugly. Ackbar is Vince, the other dude is Austin. hehehe. I love that moment so much. It's really the first time Vince was openly heel, and the crowd goes nuts. I love his apoplectic face when he goes, "You ruined it, damn it!" And the moment when he starts swinging at Austin. Just fucking electric stuff, with everyone playing his role perfectly.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Aug 13, 2018 18:10:45 GMT
Love it back when comic book movies were serious now we are lucky to get one serious movie these days What are you talking about? We saw less serious comic book movies then than we do today.
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Post by summers8 on Aug 13, 2018 18:11:01 GMT
ronan wasnt religious, he hated the nova for killing his family. and his plan wasnt as silly as strykers cause his plan would kill all the nova on that planet forever. He was absolutely a one dimensional zealot who hated people because reasons. They spent zero time exploring his character and he spent the entire film shouting and glaring. He was a crap villain. I love Guardians, it's one of the best MCU films. I'd even argue that the generic villain worked best for such an offbeat action comedy. But you have to admit he was a cardboard cutout. one dimensional Stryker ? mcu fans tend to fall asleep during xmen because of the drama or they just rewrite the film. Stryker back story was explored, even magneto was dropping hints, the reason for hating and wanting to kill of all the mutants was explained.his son jason was the key. his failure to keep jason safe, to save his wife, to find a cure was what drove him mad...when you ask, because , it shows you fell asleep and miss the drama part when styker confronts Xavier about the mutant problem to call him one dimensional when he was one of the few marvel villains that was praised for his depth and acting is a joke long before mcu existed shows the desperation of mcu fans, Stryker was intimidating, charmring , manipulative even he was able to influence the president. Ronan is the one dimensional joke worthy of the dance offs..
MCU fans slept through this scene, it is not colorful or as jokey as their mcu movies.
that's the thing with mcu fans, you have to lie to defend your comedy garbage like Ronan. ofcourse you hate X2 , it exposes stupid dumbed down MCU as usual.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 18:22:22 GMT
i read it cause i wanted to see what the hubbub was about. it was nothing special. stryker was too crazy and 1d to take seriously so the religious stuff just came off as silly.
and the comics again waste time on magneto, just like the movies.
Sounds like you're ashamed of comics. 👍🏻
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Post by kanekikun on Aug 13, 2018 18:35:19 GMT
yes, stryker was nto deep. he wants to kill all mutans because his son made his wife kill herself. thats lame. ronan at least lost everyone in his family.
zemo wanted to ruin the avengers for destroying sokovia and his family but he only wanted to hurt them and oly them instead of killing all superhumans. if stryker had depth hed just want to kill Xavier and leave other mutants alone. thats how you do a villain with that motive. he only succeeds at sutff because everyone around him acts dumb when they sould be smarter.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 18:37:46 GMT
yes, stryker was nto deep. he wants to kill all mutans because his son made his wife kill herself. thats lame. zemo wanted to ruin the avengers for destroying sokovia and his family but he only wanted to hurt them and oly them instead of killing all superhumans. if stryker had depth hed just want to kill Xavier and leave other mutants alone. thats how you do a villain with that motive. Ok, Sammy. You're asking for another banning now.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Aug 13, 2018 18:40:09 GMT
yes, stryker was nto deep. he wants to kill all mutans because his son made his wife kill herself. thats lame. zemo wanted to ruin the avengers for destroying sokovia and his family but he only wanted to hurt them and oly them instead of killing all superhumans. if stryker had depth hed just want to kill Xavier and leave other mutants alone. thats how you do a villain with that motive. Ok, Sammy. You're asking for another banning now.
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Post by charzhino on Aug 13, 2018 18:44:59 GMT
Civil War has never sat well with me for exactly this reason. It raises some interesting questions and it's filled with fun action sequences, yet you're left wondering why it came to blows. I was never a huge fan of the airport fight for the opposite reason, though. I didn't think they were fighting like children, I thought they were completely insane. They said they didn't really want to hurt each other but Scarlet Witch was throwing cars at people, Cap drops a jet bridge on Spider-Man's head without knowing he can support it and Vision would have killed Falcon with that blast. (And let's not even mention the nonsense of Tony recruiting a teenager to take part in a super powered brawl when his entire argument is that innocent people get hurt when they do their job.) That was also a big problem for me, secondary to the actual motivation for them to fight each other. I understand it from Caps, Bucky, Starks and Panthers point of view. Bucky is an alleged international terrorist on the run and Stark wants to bring him whilst TChala wants revenge. Cap is Buckys friend so has to protect him. But why tf does everyone else need to be there? Clearly a contrived scene. Its as if they came up with this big airport fight scene before they wrote thr script and had to reverse engineer to find ways to fit everyone else in. I agree mostly. To me, this is no better than the forced, weakly written reasons of how they got Batman to fight Superman. Its a nice change for an MCU film to conclude with a personal, gritty fight rather than CGI city wide action. But as you say this felt unearned. And by that time, they wernt arguing about the accords anymore, they were disputing something entirely different which makes the first 30 mins of the movie pointless. If they stopped the film after zemos little speech at the end, I maybe would have liked it better. But they had to add that extra 10 minutes showing Rhodey crippled, Tony Stank joke and a letter from Cap apologising (which basically made the whole events of the film seem irrelevant).
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Post by charzhino on Aug 13, 2018 18:47:46 GMT
one dimensional Stryker ? mcu fans tend to fall asleep during xmen because of the drama or they just rewrite the film. Rheykakua is talking about Ronan the Accuser being a 1 dimensional villain, not stryker.
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Post by summers8 on Aug 13, 2018 18:53:44 GMT
My sincere apologies for the error.
Has he talked about how derivate civil war is with the registration act thing , only for it to be dropped in the second half of the movie with a cliche revenge story.
goodness me, to think the cure storyline in X3 was more complex than civil war.
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Post by kanekikun on Aug 13, 2018 18:59:08 GMT
the accords felt more real and better done than any mutant registration act story. civil war didnt make it out to be 100% bad like xmen always does. thats a legit point.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Aug 13, 2018 19:00:34 GMT
Mutant registration seems like a perfectly reasonable thing to me. Controlling the weather with your mind isn't the same thing as being Jewish.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 19:10:01 GMT
the accords felt more real and better done than any mutant registration act story. civil war didnt make it out to be 100% bad like xmen always does. thats a legit point. Wham! Ban! Former Sam and a Shalalalalalalalala thang! Wham! Ban! Former Sam and a Shalalalalalalalala thaaaaaang!
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