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Post by lowtacks86 on Sept 2, 2018 22:44:32 GMT
"Not higher than Qatar, Bahrain or Kuwait, 3 middle eastern countries which are governed by Sharia law to some degree." Key term being "to some degree" (I'd have to see what exactly that entails). LOL Bahrain - Article 2 of Bahrain's 2002 Constitution as originally adopted, as well as after February 2012 amendment, declares Islamic Sharia is a chief source of legislation.[71][72] Four tiers of ordinary courts have jurisdiction over cases related to civil, administrative and criminal matters, with Court of Cassation the highest civil court in Bahrain; in all matters, the judges are required to resort to Sharia in case legislation is silent or unclear.[72] Sharia courts handle personal status laws.[73][74] A personal status law was codified in 2009 to regulate personal status matters. It applies only to Sunni Muslims; there is no codified personal status law for Shiites. In a Shari’a court a Muslim woman's testimony is worth half of that of a Muslim man.[75] Jordan - Jordan has Sharia courts and civil courts. Sharia courts have jurisdiction over personal status laws, cases concerning Diya (blood money in cases of crime where both parties are Muslims, or one is and both the Muslim and non-Muslim consent to Sharia court's jurisdiction), and matters pertaining to Islamic Waqfs.[93] The Family Law in force is the Personal Status Law of 1976, which is based on Islamic law .[88] In Sharia courts, the testimony of two women is equal to that of one man.[94] Kuwait - Article 2 of Kuwait's constitution identifies Islamic Sharia as a main source of legislation.[71][97] According to the United Nations, Kuwait's legal system is a mix of British common law, French civil law, Egyptian civil law and Islamic law.[98] The sharia-based personal status law for Sunnis is based on the Maliki fiqh and for Shiites, their own school of Islam regulates personal status.[99][100] Before a family court the testimony of a woman is worth half of that of a man.[99] Kuwait blocks internet content prohibited by Sharia.[101] Qatar - Sharia is the main source of Qatari legislation according to Qatar's Constitution.[130][131] Islamic law is applied to laws pertaining to family law, inheritance, and several criminal acts (including adultery, robbery and murder). In some cases in Sharia-based family courts, a female's testimony is worth half a man's and in some cases a female witness is not accepted at all.[132] Flogging is used in Qatar as a punishment for alcohol consumption or illicit sexual relations.[133] Article 88 of Qatar's criminal code declares the punishment for adultery is 100 lashes.[134] Adultery is punishable by death when a Muslim woman and a non-Muslim man are involved.[134] In 2006, a Filipino woman was sentenced to 100 lashes for adultery.[134] In 2012, six expatriates were sentenced to floggings of either 40 or 100 lashes.[133] More recently in April 2013, a Muslim expatriate was sentenced to 40 lashes for alcohol consumption.[135][136][137] In June 2014, a Muslim expatriate was sentenced to 40 lashes for consuming alcohol and driving under the influence.[138] Judicial corporal punishment is common in Qatar due to the Hanbali interpretation of Islamic law. Article 1 of the Law No. 11 Of 2004 (Penal Code) allows for the application of "Sharia provisions" for the crimes of theft, adultery, defamation, drinking alcohol and apostasy if either the suspect or the victim is a Muslim.[13 So thats 4 wealthy, relatively eat free Middle East counties with higher literacy rates than Turkey yet still backwards, sharia compliant shitholes. So much for your the more educated the less religious Muslim countries are. "So much for your the more educated the less religious Muslim countries are."
Not really, Turkey is still doing better than rest of the Middle East, this is indisputable. I would say education is certainly a factor. Now admittingly their may be other factors at work (I'm not familair with the political environments and education system of those nations). Do you think it's a giant coincidence there's a high correlation between education and irreligiousity/atheism?
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Post by mslo79 on Sept 3, 2018 3:17:04 GMT
Cody™ that article tells it like it is. Islam is evil but yet liberals seem to be okay with it where as with Christianity, which is proven good, they rebel against etc. they tend to be backwards. Because the truth is not on their side so all they are left with is violence etc to try to silence people. basically that's what liberals got in common with Islam... chaos. satan, who is bad, is all about chaos where as God, who is good, is about order. p.s. Trump 2020. Feologild OakesYeah, that's like their 'go to' thing when they got nothing as they claim racist for next to nothing nowadays.
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Post by phludowin on Sept 3, 2018 9:01:56 GMT
Fool! While Islam is toxic, Christian fundies are just as extremist and dangerous as Islam. They both share the same delusion over what they believe to be God's written law. Prove your God to me first. My guess: If he replies, he'll do with a quote from a misogynist who didn't know what we know today. |
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Post by phludowin on Sept 3, 2018 9:04:53 GMT
Yeah, that's like their 'go to' thing when they got nothing as they claim racist for next to nothing nowadays. Except nobody on this thread called Dr. Majid Rafizadeh a racist and a bigot. Doesn't your religion say something about not bearing false witness? |
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Post by faustus5 on Sept 3, 2018 15:22:23 GMT
You claimed that Christians today want to ”turn the West into exactly the kind of theocracy you find in the Middle East”. A great number of them do, and they say so in public and take actions to do exactly this. They aren't hiding, idiot. Furthermore, I am absolutely certain that if there weren't legal an constitutional checks to keep them in their place, you'd be joining their efforts to do so. People like you just want an opening.
What a moronic joke. Vatican City is surrounded by a series of secular countries and depends on them for workers, supplies, and tourists. If it were run like Saudi Arabia, they would have crushed it long ago.
That's why examples from pre-Enlightenment times make mincemeat of your idiotic thesis. They absolutely prove that when Christianity was not in check through secular law systems, things really were nasty in just the way things are in the Middle East. You get beheadings, hands chopped off, heretics massacred or burned at the stake, women oppressed, oppression of Jews, oppression of all free thought.
You are all the same. The only difference is the social structure keeping you in check in the West. Without those checks, the West would be hell--the way it used to be when you were in control.
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Post by rizdek on Sept 3, 2018 17:15:23 GMT
Are Muslims liberal or conservative?
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Post by rizdek on Sept 3, 2018 17:25:07 GMT
I made a demonstrably true claim and then backed it up with specific examples. And no, shit for brains, I didn't need to do any research. Unlike you, I know my history.
^This was a demonstrably false claim. A Christian theocracy would look absolutely nothing like a sharia law ruled country we see in the Middle East today and you know it. You’re either an ignoramus or you’re being disingenuous. You only have to look at the Vatican City. Do we see any beheadings? Crucifixions? terrorism? Polygamy? Honour killings? Death for apostasy & homosexuals? Women being prohibited from marrying non-Christians? Non-Christians being forced to pay protection money? Codified slavery? Permissible lying? These are all part of Islamic law. Yes Christians like any other group have done objectionable things over the course of history but those actions are usually in violation to Christian teachings not because of them. And we have no reason to think it wouldn't become rampant again if they were given a chance because they ARE doing them right now in some parts of the world. And, they do/did those things notwithstanding some who now claim to think they are in violation of Christian teaching. But, one has to ask...WHICH Christian teaching? The RCC was happily torturing heretics, apostates and witches and turning over to the state to the state for executing for hundreds of years until secular govt's took over and put them in their place. And the reason they could do that is because Christianity became so divided and hateful of each other that they lost power. The only thing that saves humanity from Christianity now is that the various sects and cults within Christianity can't agree on much and hate each other. |
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Post by rizdek on Sept 3, 2018 17:29:22 GMT
I said Christianity does not teach these things. Christians are to follow the teachings of Christ and the NT. 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."
and "And these enemies of mine who were unwilling for me to rule over them, bring them here and slay them in front of me" [the me in this case is referring to a ruler representing Jesus]
It turns out "Christianity" teaches whatever the powers-that-be say it teaches.
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Post by Cody™ on Sept 3, 2018 19:30:54 GMT
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."
and "And these enemies of mine who were unwilling for me to rule over them, bring them here and slay them in front of me" [the me in this case is referring to a ruler representing Jesus]
It turns out "Christianity" teaches whatever the powers-that-be say it teaches.
That’s a parable. |
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Post by Cody™ on Sept 3, 2018 21:07:46 GMT
You claimed that Christians today want to ”turn the West into exactly the kind of theocracy you find in the Middle East”. A great number of them do, and they say so in public and take actions to do exactly this. They aren't hiding, idiot. Furthermore, I am absolutely certain that if there weren't legal an constitutional checks to keep them in their place, you'd be joining their efforts to do so. People like you just want an opening.
What a moronic joke. Vatican City is surrounded by a series of secular countries and depends on them for workers, supplies, and tourists. If it were run like Saudi Arabia, they would have crushed it long ago.
That's why examples from pre-Enlightenment times make mincemeat of your idiotic thesis. They absolutely prove that when Christianity was not in check through secular law systems, things really were nasty in just the way things are in the Middle East. You get beheadings, hands chopped off, heretics massacred or burned at the stake, women oppressed, oppression of Jews, oppression of all free thought.
You are all the same. The only difference is the social structure keeping you in check in the West. Without those checks, the West would be hell--the way it used to be when you were in control.
Western civilisation has been shaped, deeply rooted in and influenced by Christianity and it’s values. This is why western society is the most prosperous and superior on earth. Middle eastern civilisation has been shaped, rooted in and influenced by Islam. This is why the Middle East is a shithole and always will be. Case closed. |
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Post by thefleetsin on Sept 3, 2018 22:38:15 GMT
consider the consummate evil in all religions
when
comparing belief systems
try
not to generalize
within
one particular one.
but
consider the consummate evil
in
all religions as inherent to
the ramifications
of
being so naive
that
you'll believe
anything anyone hands you
as
you step off a cliff
following
the same ridiculous notions
that
your parents did.
of course
you'll still splatter
but
in the grand scheme of things
what does it matter
for
the genome survives
every known form of tatter
religions
have come up with.
sjw 09/03/18 inspired at this very moment in time by the pro in prometheus.
from the 'blasphemy series' of poems
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Post by faustus5 on Sept 4, 2018 10:30:07 GMT
Western civilisation has been shaped, deeply rooted in and influenced by Christianity and it’s values. This is why western society is the most prosperous and superior on earth. Get your fucking dumb-ass head out of your worthless Bible and study the history of the West. The West did not become dominant until it began to shed and restrict Christianity's hold on power during the Enlightenment, and that only happened when the texts and ideas from non-Christian cultures began to spread and gain more influence. Until the Enlightenment, natural philosophers (the proto-scientists of the time) were under severe restrictions concerning what they could say and publish, all because of Christian oppression. Remove the Christian oppression, and you get science. The best thing you could attribute to Christianity was the way Irish monks preserved ancient (mostly non-Christian) texts before the Renaissance. Some have remarked that this essentially saved Western civilization. So you get points for that. |
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Post by phludowin on Sept 4, 2018 11:54:29 GMT
Western civilisation has been shaped, deeply rooted in and influenced by Christianity and it’s values. This is why western society is the most prosperous and superior on earth. Get your fucking dumb-ass head out of your worthless Bible and study the history of the West. The West did not become dominant until it began to shed and restrict Christianity's hold on power during the Enlightenment, and that only happened when the texts and ideas from non-Christian cultures began to spread and gain more influence. Until the Enlightenment, natural philosophers (the proto-scientists of the time) were under severe restrictions concerning what they could say and publish, all because of Christian oppression. Remove the Christian oppression, and you get science. The best thing you could attribute to Christianity was the way Irish monks preserved ancient (mostly non-Christian) texts before the Renaissance. Some have remarked that this essentially saved Western civilization. So you get points for that. To be honest: I believe the most important influences for moder Western societies were: - Greek philosophy and mythology - Judeo-Christian ideology - Scientific methods from the East - Enlightenment There may be more, like socialism or nationalism; but I don't know if they really added anything new. So Christianity played a part. And whether the West becoming dominant in the world is a good thing is debatable. When we look at former European colonies, we see a correlation between how soon they became independent, and how well off they are today. USA, Canada, Australia: Prosperous. Latin America: Less, but could be worse. Africa: Dreadful. Southeast Asia: Mixed. On the other hand, Ethiopia and Thailand were never European colonies. Are they better off than their neighbors? Maybe it has less to do with the past, but more with the present, how well a country does. The less ideology (religious or not), the better. |
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Post by rizdek on Sept 4, 2018 15:09:16 GMT
and "And these enemies of mine who were unwilling for me to rule over them, bring them here and slay them in front of me" [the me in this case is referring to a ruler representing Jesus]
It turns out "Christianity" teaches whatever the powers-that-be say it teaches.
That’s a parable. And? Who do you think the "ruler" represented in the parable? |
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Post by faustus5 on Sept 4, 2018 16:54:48 GMT
To be honest: I believe the most important influences for moder Western societies were: - Greek philosophy and mythology - Judeo-Christian ideology - Scientific methods from the East - Enlightenment There may be more, like socialism or nationalism; but I don't know if they really added anything new. So Christianity played a part. Christianity had role to play for sure--where would we be without all those monks preserving and copying ancient documents over centuries? But ideologically, Christianity was a force to be overcome, not something that contributed positively to any great degree. Otherwise, you wouldn't have David Hume publishing posthumously or Spinoza escaping to Holland. What I had in mind had more to do with intellectual and scientific progress rather than conquest of other nations--I should have been more clear. Of course, you could argue that the two cannot be isolated from one another and that my focus is therefore too narrow. I see a case to be made there. |
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Post by Cody™ on Sept 4, 2018 17:34:06 GMT
Western civilisation has been shaped, deeply rooted in and influenced by Christianity and it’s values. This is why western society is the most prosperous and superior on earth. Get your fucking dumb-ass head out of your worthless Bible and study the history of the West. The West did not become dominant until it began to shed and restrict Christianity's hold on power during the Enlightenment, and that only happened when the texts and ideas from non-Christian cultures began to spread and gain more influence. Until the Enlightenment, natural philosophers (the proto-scientists of the time) were under severe restrictions concerning what they could say and publish, all because of Christian oppression. Remove the Christian oppression, and you get science. The best thing you could attribute to Christianity was the way Irish monks preserved ancient (mostly non-Christian) texts before the Renaissance. Some have remarked that this essentially saved Western civilization. So you get points for that. LOL You’d have to be a complete ignoramus to deny the massive degree of influence Christianity and the bible has played in shaping western civilisation. It’s simply indisputable. From language, literature and fine arts to values, beliefs and practices. The liberties and rights we enjoy in the West today are due in large part to Christianity. A clear example would be the Roman Empire. Before Christianity came on the scene brutal gladiatorial contests involving slaves, criminals and POWs were being staged for the mere entertainment of audiences. Sexual promiscuity and homosexuality had become widespread. Women were restricted to low class status. When Christianity started to spread in the region and it’s teachings began to take influence Roman emperors outlawed crucifixion and those barbaric gladiatorial contests both of which had been practices for 7 centuries. Women started to obtain rights. It brought about one of the biggest and most important reforms in moral history. It wasn’t only restricted to the West. It stopped the killing of wives when tribal chiefs died in Africa. It also discouraged cannabilism and ended the slave trade in the 1800s. The postitive impact of Christianity continues to influence western culture today. You’re blinded by your hatred and bias to the facts. |
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Post by faustus5 on Sept 5, 2018 10:41:26 GMT
The liberties and rights we enjoy in the West today are due in large part to Christianity. If this were actually true, then Bruno wouldn't have been burned at the stake for heresy and dozens of scholars would not have had to publish in secret or flee for their lives to secular countries where Christianity had less power to oppress. It is just a fact that democracy, science, and philosophy only flourished as Christianity lost power. You have your head up your ass. |
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Post by Cody™ on Sept 5, 2018 11:12:17 GMT
The liberties and rights we enjoy in the West today are due in large part to Christianity. If this were actually true, then Bruno wouldn't have been burned at the stake for heresy and dozens of scholars would not have had to publish in secret or flee for their lives to secular countries where Christianity had less power to oppress. It is just a fact that democracy, science, and philosophy only flourished as Christianity lost power. You have your head up your ass. The problem is you’re conflating the crimes of the Roman Catholic Church with biblical Christianity. I am one of the first to condemn both that church’s past and present misdemeanours. But again it goes back to the doctrines. What does the religion teach? Burning people at the stake and molesting children can in no way shape or form be reconciled with the teachings of Christ and the NT. People of all walks of life have done bad shit down the years. Just as there are some professed Christians today who do some abominable shit. But it is all contrary to the nature of Christianity. The same cannot be said about the horrible things I described going on in the Middle East today. That stuff is prescribed for them in their so-called divinely inspired laws. Christianity is radically different to Islam which is why we see the different effect it has on individuals and societies. |
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Post by Cody™ on Sept 5, 2018 13:35:03 GMT
Cody™ that article tells it like it is. Islam is evil but yet liberals seem to be okay with it where as with Christianity, which is proven good, they rebel against etc. they tend to be backwards. Because the truth is not on their side so all they are left with is violence etc to try to silence people. basically that's what liberals got in common with Islam... chaos. satan, who is bad, is all about chaos where as God, who is good, is about order. p.s. Trump 2020. Feologild Oakes Yeah, that's like their 'go to' thing when they got nothing as they claim racist for next to nothing nowadays. Fool! While Islam is toxic, Christian fundies are just as extremist and dangerous as Islam. They both share the same delusion over what they believe to be God's written law. Prove your God to me first. Then where is the Christian Al-Quaeda, the Christian Al-Shabab, or the Christian ISIS? Why aren’t western Christians heading to such organisations, like western Muslims are to IS in their droves? And no the KKK are not a religious organisation. They’re a far-right white supremist political movement. |
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Post by faustus5 on Sept 5, 2018 16:45:13 GMT
But again it goes back to the doctrines. What does the religion teach? No, it goes back to what Christians do in the name of Christianity, moron. I don't give a rat's ass about some mythical "pure" version of Christianity that only exists in your deranged mind. I care about what Christians do and say in the name of their religion. |
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