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Post by Cody™ on Aug 26, 2018 21:02:48 GMT
Do you know that your mother loves you?
If the answer is yes then can you prove it?
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Post by lowtacks86 on Aug 26, 2018 21:06:24 GMT
"If the answer is yes then can you prove it?"
Yes, pretty sure a cat scan could more or less prove it.
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Post by Cody™ on Aug 26, 2018 21:08:32 GMT
"If the answer is yes then can you prove it?" Yes, pretty sure a cat scan could prove it. What evidence can you marshall to prove to me that your mother loves you? |
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Post by progressiveelement on Aug 26, 2018 21:09:30 GMT
I was born on Hitler's birthday, and she didn't name me Adolf.
😇
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Post by Cody™ on Aug 26, 2018 21:13:52 GMT
I was born on Hitler's birthday, and she didn't name me Adolf. 😇 Ah how do you know she didn’t want to? Maybe she did but your old man simply didn’t stand for it? |
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Post by lowtacks86 on Aug 26, 2018 21:16:53 GMT
"If the answer is yes then can you prove it?" Yes, pretty sure a cat scan could prove it. What evidence can you marshall to prove to me that your mother loves you? I just told you, a cat scan, or more specifically an FMRI. I guess what you're really asking is how would a cat scan "prove" love? Neuroscientists have found certain parts of the brain "light up" depending on what emotions you're feeling. If a mother were to think her son is in mortal danger, the "panic" part of the brain would be triggered. If you're actually intererested, here's an article on it (though I suspect you're not genuinely interested and this is just a "Gotcha atheists!" post):
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Post by general313 on Aug 26, 2018 21:21:55 GMT
What evidence can you marshall to prove to me that your mother loves you? I just told you, a cat scan, or more specifically an FMRI. I guess what you're really asking is how would a cat scan "prove" love? Neuroscientists have found certain parts of the brain "light up" depending on what emotions you're feeling. If a mother were to think her son is in mortal danger, the "panic" part of the brain would be triggered. If you're actually intererested, here's an article on it (though I suspect you're not genuinely interested and this is just a "Gotcha atheists!" post):
No doubt this line of inquiry will clearly establish how Christianity is the true religion and that all the others are false. |
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Post by Cody™ on Aug 26, 2018 21:22:04 GMT
What evidence can you marshall to prove to me that your mother loves you? I just told you, a cat scan, or more specifically an FMRI. I guess what you're really asking is how would a cat scan "prove" love? Neuroscientists have found certain parts of the brain "light up" depending on what emotions you're feeling. If a mother were to think her son is in mortal danger, the "panic" part of the brain would be triggered. If you're actually intererested, here's an article on it (though I suspect you're not genuinely interested and this is just a "Gotcha atheists!" post):
Not sure what part of that article answers my challenge. |
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Post by lowtacks86 on Aug 26, 2018 21:27:50 GMT
I just told you, a cat scan, or more specifically an FMRI. I guess what you're really asking is how would a cat scan "prove" love? Neuroscientists have found certain parts of the brain "light up" depending on what emotions you're feeling. If a mother were to think her son is in mortal danger, the "panic" part of the brain would be triggered. If you're actually intererested, here's an article on it (though I suspect you're not genuinely interested and this is just a "Gotcha atheists!" post):
Not sure what part of that article answers my challenge. You asked "Can atheists prove their mom loves them"?, which I guess basically means "Can you scientifically prove your mom loves you", and I showed that it was possible though cat scans and neuroscience. I dunno what else to say, I think you're just being intentionally obtuse at this point. |
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Post by Cody™ on Aug 26, 2018 21:36:42 GMT
Not sure what part of that article answers my challenge. You asked "Can atheists prove their mom loves them"?, which I guess basically means "Can you scientifically prove your mom loves you", and I showed that it was possible though cat scans and neuroscience. I dunno what else to say, I think you're just being intentionally obtuse at this point. I’m sure if you witnessed a dog crossing the road and a car zooming at 100mph directly towards it, moments before the inevitable impact the “panic” part of your brain would be momentarily triggered aswell. Does that mean you always felt agape love for that particular dog? |
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Post by progressiveelement on Aug 26, 2018 21:41:37 GMT
I was born on Hitler's birthday, and she didn't name me Adolf. 😇 Ah how do you know she didn’t want to? Maybe she did but your old man simply didn’t stand for it? 😱 |
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Post by lowtacks86 on Aug 26, 2018 21:44:15 GMT
You asked "Can atheists prove their mom loves them"?, which I guess basically means "Can you scientifically prove your mom loves you", and I showed that it was possible though cat scans and neuroscience. I dunno what else to say, I think you're just being intentionally obtuse at this point. I’m sure if you witnessed a dog crossing the road and a car zooming at 100mph directly towards it, moments before the inevitable impact the “panic” part of your brain would be triggered aswell. Does that mean you always felt agape love for that particular dog? I would feel "panic" only because it's happening so suddenly at that very moment and because humans have such a high social compatability with dogs. If it was happening to say, a chicken, probably not so much. If you were to replace "son" with "random stranger", the "panic" part of the mother's brain is probably less likely to go off, or at least not as much. |
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Post by Cody™ on Aug 26, 2018 21:50:50 GMT
I’m sure if you witnessed a dog crossing the road and a car zooming at 100mph directly towards it, moments before the inevitable impact the “panic” part of your brain would be triggered aswell. Does that mean you always felt agape love for that particular dog? I would feel "panic" only because it's happening so suddenly at that very moment and because humans have such a high social compatability with dogs. If it was happening to say, a chicken, probably not so much. If you were to replace "son" with "random stranger", the "panic" part of the mother's brain is probably less likely to go off, or at least not as much. The point is the panic part of the brain being triggered is not contingent on your relationship to the person or thing in danger. The degree to which you would panic does not prove love. |
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Post by lowtacks86 on Aug 26, 2018 21:56:10 GMT
I would feel "panic" only because it's happening so suddenly at that very moment and because humans have such a high social compatability with dogs. If it was happening to say, a chicken, probably not so much. If you were to replace "son" with "random stranger", the "panic" part of the mother's brain is probably less likely to go off, or at least not as much. The point is the panic part of the brain being triggered is not contingent on your relationship to the person or thing in danger. The degree to which you would panic does not prove love. "The point is the panic part of the brain being triggered is not contingent on your relationship to the person or thing in danger."
I would argue it is. If you were to find out your mom was in danger and then find out some random stranger is in danger, which do you think is more likely to trigger the "panic" part of your brain?
"The degree to which you would panic does not prove love."
Again I would argue it does for the example I've already given. Which are you more likely to panic over, a close relative or a random stranger being in mortal danger?
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Post by captainbryce on Aug 26, 2018 21:57:36 GMT
Do you know that your mother loves you? If the answer is yes then can you prove it? Yes and yes. Proof, my mother actually let me live in her house rent free for 18 years, fed me, took me to the doctor when I was sick, read me bedtime stories, tucked me in at night, took me to the movies, and the beach, and six flags, came to my graduation (and cried), and....get this...actually confessed to me many times that she actually loves me. You know, all the things that “god”, the invisible man in the sky never does but people still claim loves them. So if actions speak louder than words, and people demonstrate love through actions, then yeah that’s proof that my mother loves me. |
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Post by Cody™ on Aug 26, 2018 22:06:35 GMT
The point is the panic part of the brain being triggered is not contingent on your relationship to the person or thing in danger. The degree to which you would panic does not prove love. "The point is the panic part of the brain being triggered is not contingent on your relationship to the person or thing in danger."
I would argue it is. If you were to find out your mom was in danger and then find out some random stranger is in danger, which do you think is more likely to trigger the "panic" part of your brain?
"The degree to which you would panic does not prove love."
Again I would argue it does for the example I've already given. Which are you more likely to panic over, a close relative or a random stranger being in mortal danger?
“I would argue it is. If you were to find out your mom was in danger and then find out some random stranger is in danger, which do you think is more likely to trigger the "panic" part of your brain?” Your mother of course. But how does the FMRI scan distinguish between a show of emotion displayed through pure love or just natural instinctive human reaction? |
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Post by lowtacks86 on Aug 26, 2018 22:09:54 GMT
"The point is the panic part of the brain being triggered is not contingent on your relationship to the person or thing in danger."
I would argue it is. If you were to find out your mom was in danger and then find out some random stranger is in danger, which do you think is more likely to trigger the "panic" part of your brain?
"The degree to which you would panic does not prove love."
Again I would argue it does for the example I've already given. Which are you more likely to panic over, a close relative or a random stranger being in mortal danger?
“I would argue it is. If you were to find out your mom was in danger and then find out some random stranger is in danger, which do you think is more likely to trigger the "panic" part of your brain?” Your mother of course. But how does the FMRI scan distinguish between a show of displaying pure love or just natural instinctive human reaction? Because you're less likely to show "natural instinctive human reaction" over a random stranger being in danger than a close relative. I've already explained this. |
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Post by Cody™ on Aug 26, 2018 22:24:11 GMT
“I would argue it is. If you were to find out your mom was in danger and then find out some random stranger is in danger, which do you think is more likely to trigger the "panic" part of your brain?” Your mother of course. But how does the FMRI scan distinguish between a show of displaying pure love or just natural instinctive human reaction? Because you're less likely to show "natural instinctive human reaction" over a random stranger being in danger than a close relative. I've already explained this. Nah. I don’t think the FMRI scan is enough to conclusively prove love. Detecting panic cannot prove you love that thing or person. No matter the measure at which you’re panicking, sorry. |
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Post by Cody™ on Aug 26, 2018 22:30:59 GMT
Do you know that your mother loves you? If the answer is yes then can you prove it? Yes and yes. Proof, my mother actually let me live in her house rent free for 18 years, fed me, took me to the doctor when I was sick, read me bedtime stories, tucked me in at night, took me to the movies, and the beach, and six flags, came to my graduation (and cried), and....get this...actually confessed to me many times that she actually loves me. This isn’t proof. This is a claim. You’re arguing for personal experience and I don’t believe you. Sorry but I’m going to require something more concrete than “because I say so” |
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Post by lowtacks86 on Aug 26, 2018 22:34:58 GMT
Because you're less likely to show "natural instinctive human reaction" over a random stranger being in danger than a close relative. I've already explained this. Nah. I don’t think the FMRI scan is enough to conclusively prove love. Detecting panic cannot prove you love that thing or person. No matter the measure at which you’re panicking, sorry. "I don’t think the FMRI scan is enough to conclusively prove love."
Actually it pretty much is:
"Detecting panic cannot prove you love that thing or person."
I would argue it is for the reasons I've already given, you're more likely to "panic" over a loved one being in danger than a complete stranger, you've yet to present an actual counterargument to that.
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