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Post by BATouttaheck on Nov 3, 2018 2:00:08 GMT
According to IMDb, Jaws and The Sixth Sense aren't horror, either. Make of that what you will. It's because they are not horror ! I have written / ranted about this several times already so will spare you BUT they are NOT listed as "horror" because they are NOT "horror movies" and for good measure, Die Hard is NOT a "Christmas Movie" and also
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 3, 2018 2:08:18 GMT
According to IMDb, Jaws and The Sixth Sense aren't horror, either. Make of that what you will. It's because they are not horror ! I have written / ranted about this several times already so will spare you BUT they are NOT listed as "horror" because they are NOT "horror movies" and for good measure, Die Hard is NOT a "Christmas Movie" and also While I understand why some people don't consider them horror, I do. They are other genres first maybe, but they are also horror. You can rant all you want but I am not hearing it. I have heard the reasoning over and over again, but I simply don't agree. The Silence of the Lambs isn't listed as thriller on imdb, but in my mind it is a psychological thriller first and foremost. Point being that imdb doesn't always get it right. Jaws I would rank like this - thriller/adventure/horror The Sixth Sense - drama/horror Much of The Sixth Sense is meant to scare the audience. It IS a scary movie imo.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Nov 3, 2018 2:33:21 GMT
According to IMDb, Jaws and The Sixth Sense aren't horror, either. Make of that what you will. It's because they are not horror ! I have written / ranted about this several times already so will spare you BUT they are NOT listed as "horror" because they are NOT "horror movies" and for good measure, Die Hard is NOT a "Christmas Movie" and also Thank you for sparing me the arguments, as I'm sure I've heard them all before. The first and last argument for Jaws that matters is that it f**king terrified people. To the point that dozens of horror movies have been marketed as "This does to blank what Jaws did to the ocean". Non-horror movies don't do that. Twister didn't give the world a phobia of tornados. As for The Sixth Sense, it's a traditional ghost movie, weird kid and jump scares every five minutes included, that just happens to be better made than most. I think any snubbing of it the horror label boils down to snobbery toward horror films.
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Post by Nalkarj on Nov 3, 2018 2:35:48 GMT
Well, it’s subtle humor, but it also was quite clear to me when I first saw it (is that an oxymoron? It’s not in-your-face, but nevertheless I could tell it was there and intentional). I absolutely agree that the humor adds to Silence’s creepiness. If that’s what the OP meant, I can tell you that you explained it much better than he did. If that is indeed what he meant, thank you for explaining. I wish I could accept your reasoning—it would make things much simpler, at least for me!—but I think my problem with is, where do we draw the line? You state, “The level of humor in Sleepy Hollow and some of the Nightmare on Elm Street sequels might be pushing what the OP means. I don't know.” Well, why? Why might it, even? Is there a dividing line where it becomes so humorous that it turns into a horror-comedy, rather than “straight horror”? Is it Potter Stewart’s line in Jacobellis v. Ohio, “I know it when I see it”? (The problem with Justice Stewart’s reasoning is that it’s not an enforceable legal standard.) We don’t have a dividing-line on which we can base this. You have a problem with the people who find The Exorcist funny. So would I, I think (I’ve never met someone who finds it funny). Nevertheless they do. What if, to them, it’s a horror-comedy, as you’ve defined it? That’s not impossible, even if you and I don’t like it. When does it become so funny that the OP thinks it’s not “light” on the humor, if that’s indeed what he means? Even more to the point, his line isn’t someone else’s line. So I think the exercise is flawed, rather than the movies we’re providing to the OP. That is to say, the OP’s own quest is fundamentally flawed; as I wrote, it’s a bit like hunting a snipe, except that the hunter doesn’t believe in the snipe and wants to set parameters of what a snipe is. That’s a bit tortured, but I hope it makes some sense. I think Scooby Doo on Zombie Island counts as kids’ horror, and good kids’ horror at that. (So is Scooby Doo and the Witch’s Ghost.) Yes, it has comedy. It’s still horror. Yes, Sleepy Hollow has comedy. It’s still horror— according to me, and that’s the point, and that’s why the OP is never going to be satisfied.
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Post by Nalkarj on Nov 3, 2018 2:44:37 GMT
According to IMDb, Jaws and The Sixth Sense aren't horror, either. Make of that what you will. It's because they are not horror ! I have written / ranted about this several times already so will spare you BUT they are NOT listed as "horror" because they are NOT "horror movies" and for good measure, Die Hard is NOT a "Christmas Movie" and also While I understand why some people don't consider them horror, I do. They are other genres first maybe, but they are also horror. You can rant all you want but I am not hearing it. I have heard the reasoning over and over again, but I simply don't agree. The Silence of the Lambs isn't listed as thriller on imdb, but in my mind it is a psychological thriller first and foremost. Point being that imdb doesn't always get it right. Jaws I would rank like this - thriller/adventure/horror The Sixth Sense - drama/horror Much of The Sixth Sense is meant to scare the audience. It IS a scary movie imo. Thank you for sparing me the arguments, as I'm sure I've heard them all before. The first and last argument for Jaws that matters is that it f**king terrified people. To the point that dozens of horror movies have been marketed as "This does to blank what Jaws did to the ocean". Non-horror movies don't do that. Twister didn't give the world a phobia of tornados. As for The Sixth Sense, it's a traditional ghost movie, weird kid and jump scares every five minutes included, that just happens to be better made than most. I think any snubbing of it the horror label boils down to snobbery toward horror films. Well, I think what all you guys are saying refers to a fundamental problem with genre definitions, as I mentioned above. What one person considers horror, or horror-comedy, another person may not. There’s no objective dividing line. As for what we’ll call video-store classification, yes, there does have to be what I’ve called the “overarching genre”—what, most generally, something fits into, without denying that it could fit into other genres. Dracula (1931), for example. Horror film, right? Billed as a “weird mystery” on some of the posters (and the play on which it’s based is written as a mystery), released on Valentine’s Day with posters implying that it’s a romance. Huh? But if we move beyond that, as with Dracula, a movie (or book, or painting, or piece of music) can fit into several different genres. With Jaws, for example, I think it is horror—but I also think it’s adventure. That’s actually my main criticism about it; I think the two genres are too delineated into distinct halves. (And I can point to the moment when they become delineated, too: when Brody and Hooper visit Quint.) It’s not simple, unfortunately, but in many ways it can’t be.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 3, 2018 2:46:38 GMT
The Silence of the Lambs has subtle humor that some people might not even recognize as humor. The Silence of the Lambs is my favorite movie and I have never seen much overt humor in it, besides Hannibal Lecter's dark sense of humor and he isn't in the movie all that much. Also, the style of humor when it is in the movie adds to the creepiness of the movie for me. I don't think that is the kind of humor the OP is referring to. OP did say he doesn't mean movies with NO comedy in them (that is rare for almost any genre). He means horror movies that most people wouldn't classify as horror-comedy. Poltergeist, A Nightmare on Elm Street, Halloween, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, The Exorcist etc. are not humorous movies to most people. Maybe you have a different opinion, but that opinion would be in the minority I'd think. The humor of the demon in The Exorcist isn't meant to be funny imo, it is meant to be disturbing. I get annoyed when people say they find that movie funny. The level of humor in Sleepy Hollow and some of the Nightmare on Elm Street sequels might be pushing what the OP means. I don't know. As for the snipe hunt, I think the OP is really trying to find a children's horror movie that is light on the humor. I myself was curious after seeing OP ask the question and thus far I have not been able to think of any children's horror movies that don't have quite a bit of humor in them, besides animated movies. What came to mind right away though was that Goosebumps TV show, which is much more horror than most horror movies made for kids. Are You Afraid of the Dark? came to mind too. Well, it’s subtle humor, but it also was quite clear to me when I first saw it (is that an oxymoron? It’s not in-your-face, but nevertheless I could tell it was there and intentional). I absolutely agree that the humor adds to Silence’s creepiness. If that’s what the OP meant, I can tell you that you explained it much better than he did. If that is indeed what he meant, thank you for explaining. I wish I could accept your reasoning—it would make things much simpler, at least for me!—but I think my problem with is, where do we draw the line? You state, “The level of humor in Sleepy Hollow and some of the Nightmare on Elm Street sequels might be pushing what the OP means. I don't know.” Well, why? Why might it, even? Is there a dividing line where it becomes so humorous that it turns into a horror-comedy, rather than “straight horror”? Is it Potter Stewart’s line in Jacobellis v. Ohio, “I know it when I see it”? (The problem with Justice Stewart’s reasoning is that it’s not an enforceable legal standard.) We don’t have a dividing-line on which we can base this. You have a problem with the people who find The Exorcist funny. So would I, I think (I’ve never met someone who finds it funny). Nevertheless they do. What if, to them, it’s a horror-comedy, as you’ve defined it? That’s not impossible, even if you and I don’t like it. When does it become so funny that the OP thinks it’s not “light” on the humor, if that’s indeed what he means? Even more to the point, his line isn’t someone else’s line. So I think the exercise is flawed, rather than the movies we’re providing to the OP. That is to say, the OP’s own quest is fundamentally flawed; as I wrote, it’s a bit like hunting a snipe, except that the hunter doesn’t believe in the snipe and wants to set parameters of what a snipe is. That’s a bit tortured, but I hope it makes some sense. I think Scooby Doo on Zombie Island counts as kids’ horror, and good kids’ horror at that. (So does Scooby Doo and the Witch’s Ghost.) Yes, it has comedy. It’s still horror. Yes, Sleepy Hollow has comedy. It’s still horror— according to me, and that’s the point, and that’s why the OP is never going to be satisfied. You are over-complicating this. For me it was clear what the OP meant. He means a kid's horror movie that has at most the amount of humor as Halloween (1978). The reason he is asking is that he is curious. I think it is just the way he went about it that is off-putting. The Silence of the Lambs has humor but it can not be described as a funny movie by any stretch of the imagination from my POV. Most of the suggestions so far are movies that are heavy on humor. Something Wicked This Way Comes is perhaps the only movie that fits the OP's description. Besides the animated movies, every kids horror movie I can think of I would classify as a horror comedy and that is exactly the answers that the OP doesn't want. Whether they are STILL horror is beside the point. Evil Dead II, Return of the Living Dead and even Cabin in the Woods and Sleepy Hollow are heavier on humor that a lot of other horror movies. The difference between us and the reason the OP isn't getting on my nerves in this case is because I know exactly what the OP is asking. Me and the OP seem to agree on what constitutes as straight up horror and not horror comedy or horror that uses a lot of humor.
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Post by Nalkarj on Nov 3, 2018 2:54:02 GMT
I may be, moviemouth , but that doesn’t mean my points are illegitimate—and this time, unfortunately, you made no attempt to deal with them. This was not clear to me at all, especially as the OP did not once mention or compare his requested movies to Halloween. Halloween also has humor in it, especially regarding in-jokes (Sam Loomis, Leigh Brackett), the girls’ dialogue and actions, the blackly comic scene in the bedroom (the ghost especially, which Carpenter is on record as saying he intended as comic—to boost up the horror, as you mentioned about Silence of the Lambs), Donald Pleasance’s hammy dialogue and performance, etc. You think The Watcher in the Woods is heavy on humor? But you still don’t see my point. moviebuffbrad and I don’t see Zombie Island as particularly heavy on humor, despite the Scooby/Shaggy antics. You do. No one’s right or wrong, we see different things and come at it from different perspectives. So the OP’s question has a fundamental flaw in it. No?
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Post by Nalkarj on Nov 3, 2018 2:54:58 GMT
And I don’t, because there is no objective line as to what constitutes “straight-up horror” as opposed to “horror-comedy.” Whether you accept it or not, that line just doesn’t exist.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 3, 2018 3:04:06 GMT
And I don’t, because there is no objective line as to what constitutes “straight-up horror” as opposed to “horror-comedy.” Whether you accept or not, that line just doesn’t exist. Not objective per se, but something I think MOST people would agree about. I never claimed that the line existed, but majority opinion DOES exist and I assumed most people know what the majority opinion is whether they agree with it or not. I think most people would agree that Halloween and A Nightmare on Elm Street and horror movies along these lines are straight up horror that aren't overly humorous. If you think Halloween is heavy on humor than we certainly disagree and yes, the part with Myers dressed like a ghost is meant to be funny. The handful of humor in this movie does not constitute Halloween as a funny movie. I don't think we have much more to say to each other. I knew what the OP meant and you didn't, thus you have a problem with his logic and I do not. Your annoyance with the OP is your problem, not mine.
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Post by Nalkarj on Nov 3, 2018 3:08:24 GMT
I think we’re talking past each other at this point (I never said that Halloween’s “a funny movie”; I was pointing out several instances of humor in it, when you said it hardly had any), so I guess I’m out. But you must see that just because you and I don’t think it’s heavy on humor doesn’t invalidate a third person’s opinion that—no, no, I said I’m out! I’m out! It was fun while it lasted. Also, how about this clip, from President Ackbar™ ? It’s great!
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 3, 2018 3:11:42 GMT
I think we’re talking past each other at this point (I never said that Halloween’s a funny movie), so I guess I’m out. But you must see that just because you and I don’t think it’s heavy on humor doesn’t invalidate a third person’s opinion—no, no, I said I’m out! I’m out! It was fun while it lasted. It doesn't invalidate the third person's opinion, but the third person is someone I would roll my eyes at.
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Post by Nalkarj on Nov 3, 2018 3:13:11 GMT
I guess I’m not out. That’s a bit rude. I thought we were having a civil discussion. So is this, albeit not to me but to that third person with what you yourself deem a valid opinion.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 3, 2018 3:13:19 GMT
I think we’re talking past each other at this point (I never said that Halloween’s “a funny movie”; I was pointing out several instances of humor in it, when you said it hardly had any), so I guess I’m out. But you must see that just because you and I don’t think it’s heavy on humor doesn’t invalidate a third person’s opinion that—no, no, I said I’m out! I’m out! It was fun while it lasted. Also, how about this clip, from President Ackbar™ ? It’s great! That video is pretty funny.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 3, 2018 3:16:31 GMT
I guess I’m not out. That’s a bit rude. I thought we were having a civil discussion. I say what I think, and that is just what came into my mind. I apologize if it was rude.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 3, 2018 3:18:33 GMT
I guess I’m not out. That’s a bit rude. I thought we were having a civil discussion. So is this, albeit not to me but to that third person with what you yourself deem a valid opinion.You are going to have to ask that question a different way. I don't understand what you are asking. While I do accept other people's opinions, I don't always respect them. I will tend to be passive aggressive with people I disagree with or rather, I just don't care about their opinions.
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Post by Nalkarj on Nov 3, 2018 3:19:01 GMT
Forget it. I accept your apology.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Nov 3, 2018 3:56:01 GMT
Okay, well check out Zombie Island and get back to me. I granted that we get comic relief from Shaggy and Scooby in it, though even their antics are toned down. According to IMDb, Jaws and The Sixth Sense aren't horror, either. Make of that what you will. Yeah, but they don't list comedy. I've been watching Zombie Island for about 20 minutes so far and it is very humorous, just like the TV show. In fact I am quite confused how you could not consider Scooby-Doo on Zombie Island a comedy. Scooby-Doo and Shaggy eating all the confiscated food and putting on 50 lbs., Scooby jumping into Shaggy's arms etc. the movie is full of sight gags. There is a joke practically every 2 minutes so far. I assume you finished it by now?
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 3, 2018 3:58:14 GMT
Yeah, but they don't list comedy. I've been watching Zombie Island for about 20 minutes so far and it is very humorous, just like the TV show. In fact I am quite confused how you could not consider Scooby-Doo on Zombie Island a comedy. Scooby-Doo and Shaggy eating all the confiscated food and putting on 50 lbs., Scooby jumping into Shaggy's arms etc. the movie is full of sight gags. There is a joke practically every 2 minutes so far. I assume you finished it by now? Nope. I have been using imdb 2 for the last hour. I no longer care about the topic anyway.
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Post by bigwhiskey on Nov 3, 2018 4:04:07 GMT
I assume you finished it by now? Nope. I have been using imdb 2 for the last hour. I no longer care about the topic anyway. A fish angrily clutches an umbrella, furious he's still getting wet.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 3, 2018 4:10:15 GMT
Nope. I have been using imdb 2 for the last hour. I no longer care about the topic anyway. A fish angrily clutches an umbrella, furious he's still getting wet. Now you are just trying to piss me off.
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