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Post by goz on Nov 28, 2018 1:15:10 GMT
What total nonsense. NO-ONE should go there. This is totally beside the point and a red herring to somehow excuse the excesses of fundamentalism and missionaries. Who else would even do that? ONLY an arrogant, entitled Christian fucking missionary! No. Fishermen have been killed doing that too. ALL the more reason! Fishermen, Western feminists and Muslims are not nearly as stupid and arrogant as Christian missionaries, for sure!
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Post by clusium on Nov 28, 2018 4:30:18 GMT
No. Fishermen have been killed doing that too. ALL the more reason! Fishermen, Western feminists and Muslims are not nearly as stupid and arrogant as Christian missionaries, for sure! Thank you for showing your blatant bigotry & hypocrisy, Goz!!! What do you think Muslims do? Keep their religion to themselves?!?! Guess what?!?!?! They have missionaries too (as do Buddhists, Baha'is, Sikhs, etc). Even atheists like to spread their lack of faith to others!!! Feminism is not a religion (obviously). It is a political philosophy aimed at allowing women more liberty in the societies in which they live in. It is highly unlikely that a people that live in neolithic society would allow women that many rights. Therefore, there might be some feminists in the Western world that would want to teach women in isolated societies how to have more independence in the cultures that they live in.
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Post by goz on Nov 28, 2018 4:44:31 GMT
ALL the more reason! Fishermen, Western feminists and Muslims are not nearly as stupid and arrogant as Christian missionaries, for sure! Thank you for showing your blatant bigotry & hypocrisy, Goz!!! What do you think Muslims do? Keep their religion to themselves?!?! Guess what?!?!?! They have missionaries too (as do Buddhists, Baha'is, Sikhs, etc). Even atheists like to spread their lack of faith to others!!! Feminism is not a religion (obviously). It is a political philosophy aimed at allowing women more liberty in the societies in which they live in. It is highly unlikely that a people that live in neolithic society would allow women that many rights. Therefore, there might be some feminists in the Western world that would want to teach women in isolated societies how to have more independence in the cultures that they live in. I never said that there were no missionaries of all kinds. My point was that ONLY rabid stupid Christian missionaries have ever tried to convert these people as no-on else would bother or even have the effrontery!
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Post by clusium on Nov 28, 2018 5:15:40 GMT
Thank you for showing your blatant bigotry & hypocrisy, Goz!!! What do you think Muslims do? Keep their religion to themselves?!?! Guess what?!?!?! They have missionaries too (as do Buddhists, Baha'is, Sikhs, etc). Even atheists like to spread their lack of faith to others!!! Feminism is not a religion (obviously). It is a political philosophy aimed at allowing women more liberty in the societies in which they live in. It is highly unlikely that a people that live in neolithic society would allow women that many rights. Therefore, there might be some feminists in the Western world that would want to teach women in isolated societies how to have more independence in the cultures that they live in. I never said that there were no missionaries of all kinds. My point was that ONLY rabid stupid Christian missionaries have ever tried to convert these people as no-on else would bother or even have the effrontery! I pointed out that there have been fishermen (& others actually, such as anthropologists)that have gone to this island & ended up being killed by these tribespeople!!! You responded Personally, I can see Muslims invading an island such as this, & trying to covert these people to Islam!!! The only reason atheists would never do it, is BECAUSE of their of their need to save their own skins (though they have no qualms about trying to convert Christians or Muslims to their lack of belief in God).
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Post by clusium on Nov 28, 2018 5:44:24 GMT
North Sentinel - An Island Untouched For 55,000 Years
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Post by clusium on Nov 28, 2018 15:18:56 GMT
For the sake of showing other people's views on the matter. As the guy in the video noted, if that had been a Muslim missionary, or even somebody with Western Feminist views, that went to this island, the media might have been more sympathetic. Is this about Christian indignation clusium? How prideful of you.
It doesn't matter who it was, even if it was the frickin' Queen who went to have tea and crumpets with them, NO ONE should be messing with them, least of all attempting to convert them into some foolhardy belief system, regardless of what the ideal is about, that they couldn't possibly understand.
No Toasted_Cheese, it isn't about Christian indignation. As I already told Goz a few posts back, I think John Chau was STOOPID to go to this island & try to convert those people, especially when he KNEW that these were a)an extremely hostile tribe, & b)warned that they could be susceptible to the outside world's diseases.
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Post by goz on Nov 28, 2018 19:41:55 GMT
Is this about Christian indignation clusium? How prideful of you.
It doesn't matter who it was, even if it was the frickin' Queen who went to have tea and crumpets with them, NO ONE should be messing with them, least of all attempting to convert them into some foolhardy belief system, regardless of what the ideal is about, that they couldn't possibly understand.
No Toasted_Cheese, it isn't about Christian indignation. As I already told Goz a few posts back, I think John Chau was STOOPID to go to this island & try to convert those people, especially when he KNEW that these were a)an extremely hostile tribe, & b)warned that they could be susceptible to the outside world's diseases. ...and yet you posted a video in which it was portrayed as not so 'stoopid' which you then followed up in your post to me by saying that it could have been a Muslim or a feminist or some such other tripe! Face it. You Christians think that it is acceptable to prosthelytise your religion to everyone every time and fail to see that it is at times NOT only unwelcome butt exceedingly foolhardy and dangerous. It is now disingenuous of you to say that the guy was stupid because you totally condone his behaviour in your misplaced delusion that everyone needs to hear YOUR 'good news'
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Post by clusium on Nov 28, 2018 19:56:21 GMT
No Toasted_Cheese, it isn't about Christian indignation. As I already told Goz a few posts back, I think John Chau was STOOPID to go to this island & try to convert those people, especially when he KNEW that these were a)an extremely hostile tribe, & b)warned that they could be susceptible to the outside world's diseases. ...and yet you posted a video in which it was portrayed as not so 'stoopid' which you then followed up in your post to me by saying that it could have been a Muslim or a feminist or some such other tripe! Face it. You Christians think that it is acceptable to prosthelytise your religion to everyone every time and fail to see that it is at times NOT only unwelcome butt exceedingly foolhardy and dangerous. It is now disingenuous of you to say that the guy was stupid because you totally condone his behaviour in your misplaced delusion that everyone needs to hear YOUR 'good news' I never said I condone his behaviour. I made my views clear. Yes, I said that it could have been a Muslim or feminist or any other type (as noted in the video by Rebel Media). Rather, **YOU** are the one who has your head shoved all the way up your fat ass, & think that only Christians do this, when EVEN YOU would preach atheism to those that are not interested, & you lament it when men and women in the West make a conscious decision to become a priest or a nun (I've read plenty of your posts in the past).
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Post by clusium on Nov 28, 2018 20:09:37 GMT
More about that thrill-seeking idiot who went to the island & got killed:
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Post by goz on Nov 28, 2018 20:42:03 GMT
...and yet you posted a video in which it was portrayed as not so 'stoopid' which you then followed up in your post to me by saying that it could have been a Muslim or a feminist or some such other tripe! Face it. You Christians think that it is acceptable to prosthelytise your religion to everyone every time and fail to see that it is at times NOT only unwelcome butt exceedingly foolhardy and dangerous. It is now disingenuous of you to say that the guy was stupid because you totally condone his behaviour in your misplaced delusion that everyone needs to hear YOUR 'good news' I never said I condone his behaviour. I made my views clear. Yes, I said that it could have been a Muslim or feminist or any other type (as noted in the video by Rebel Media). Rather, **YOU** are the one who has your head shoved all the way up your fat ass, & think that only Christians do this, when EVEN YOU would preach atheism to those that are not interested, & you lament it when men and women in the West make a conscious decision to become a priest or a nun (I've read plenty of your posts in the past). If you know anything about atheism (which you clearly don't because you treat it like another religion) you would know that it is merely an 'absence of belief in God or gods' hence it is IMPOSSIBLE to prosthelytise it because it is purely an individual position and not a religion. Of course I lament when people become priests or nuns, because in my opinion they are submitting their lives and welfare to a delusion, however, as it is their decision, it is none of my business so I don't really care. HOWEVER when they impose that personal choice on others in the 'missionary' spirit I DO indeed have very strong views that they should NOT be permitted to impose their religion and views on others, when there is a disparity in power, knowledge or understanding.
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Post by clusium on Nov 28, 2018 21:10:09 GMT
I never said I condone his behaviour. I made my views clear. Yes, I said that it could have been a Muslim or feminist or any other type (as noted in the video by Rebel Media). Rather, **YOU** are the one who has your head shoved all the way up your fat ass, & think that only Christians do this, when EVEN YOU would preach atheism to those that are not interested, & you lament it when men and women in the West make a conscious decision to become a priest or a nun (I've read plenty of your posts in the past). If you know anything about atheism (which you clearly don't because you treat it like another religion) you would know that it is merely an 'absence of belief in God or gods' hence it is IMPOSSIBLE to prosthelytise it because it is purely an individual position and not a religion. Of course I lament when people become priests or nuns, because in my opinion they are submitting their lives and welfare to a delusion, however, as it is their decision, it is none of my business so I don't really care. HOWEVER when they impose that personal choice on others in the 'missionary' spirit I DO indeed have very strong views that they should NOT be permitted to impose their religion and views on others, when there is a disparity in power, knowledge or understanding. Yes Goz, I am well aware that atheism is a lack of belief in God or gods. That hasn't stopped atheists from trying to get others to become atheists too (hence, proselytizing). Eg: Richard Dawkins wrote The God Delusion specifically with intention that the reader would became atheist themselves (he said so himself in the introduction of his book). Yes, you do care about whether people become priests or nuns, otherwise you wouldn't lament their decision. The only thing you posted in that second paragraph that was correct was That hasn't stopped you from giving your own opinions on their own life decision on the matter. You believe that faith in God is a delusion. Newsflash for you Goz: Other people do NOT see belief in God as a delusion. They believe He Is Real and we owe our very existence to Him. Therefore, there is nothing for you to lament, when people decide to dedicate their lives to God, by becoming priests or nuns, & certainly, if you truly acknowledge that it is none of your own business, is it for you to add your own 2 cents on the matter.
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Post by goz on Nov 28, 2018 22:24:19 GMT
If you know anything about atheism (which you clearly don't because you treat it like another religion) you would know that it is merely an 'absence of belief in God or gods' hence it is IMPOSSIBLE to prosthelytise it because it is purely an individual position and not a religion. Of course I lament when people become priests or nuns, because in my opinion they are submitting their lives and welfare to a delusion, however, as it is their decision, it is none of my business so I don't really care. HOWEVER when they impose that personal choice on others in the 'missionary' spirit I DO indeed have very strong views that they should NOT be permitted to impose their religion and views on others, when there is a disparity in power, knowledge or understanding. Yes Goz, I am well aware that atheism is a lack of belief in God or gods. That hasn't stopped atheists from trying to get others to become atheists too (hence, proselytizing). Eg: Richard Dawkins wrote The God Delusion specifically with intention that the reader would became atheist themselves (he said so himself in the introduction of his book). Yes, you do care about whether people become priests or nuns, otherwise you wouldn't lament their decision. The only thing you posted in that second paragraph that was correct was That hasn't stopped you from giving your own opinions on their own life decision on the matter. You believe that faith in God is a delusion. Newsflash for you Goz: Other people do NOT see belief in God as a delusion. They believe He Is Real and we owe our very existence to Him. Therefore, there is nothing for you to lament, when people decide to dedicate their lives to God, by becoming priests or nuns, & certainly, if you truly acknowledge that it is none of your own business, is it for you to add your own 2 cents on the matter. The point of this thread was to point out why the missionary got killed by the remote tribesmen. It was PURELY because he had deludedly dedicated his life to God to a point where he took ridiculous risks in his arrogance of PERSONAL belief, and extrapolating that to mean that it was his God Given Right to change those people's minds, despite ALL risks and knowledge of the situation. That was delusional and morally wrong. He got what he deserved. End of Story.
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Post by Eλευθερί on Nov 28, 2018 22:41:07 GMT
Although he makes a few useful observations, that clip has too many poorly informed suppositions. Where is the evidence that Marco Polo went to North Sentinel Island, per se? What is the evidence that the current Sentinelese are descendants of the only people who have ever occupied the island? Is it not possible that there have been more than one wave of settlers there?
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Post by clusium on Nov 29, 2018 1:22:49 GMT
No Toasted_Cheese, it isn't about Christian indignation. As I already told Goz a few posts back, I think John Chau was STOOPID to go to this island & try to convert those people, especially when he KNEW that these were a)an extremely hostile tribe, & b)warned that they could be susceptible to the outside world's diseases. It must be very comfortable for you to live your life with your head buried in the sand. You don't have to take ownership that way. Sheesh!
I was focusing on your comment feeling indignation about it if was some other idealist who went there, if not a Christian, that you felt there would be more compassion or bulls<>t sympathy, which is nonsense. You acknowledge his 'stoopididty', but want your cake and eat it too. Yes, you should know, with your own head shoved all the way up your butt!! Yes, there are certain biases & prejudices in the media, Toasted_Cheese, in case you haven't noticed. I think a Muslim or feminist or whoever, had gone to that island & wound up getting murdered too, by the local tribespeople, would be very foolish as well. However, the question is, would the media portray said people as being stupid? Or would they only focus on the tragedy of the case?
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Post by clusium on Nov 29, 2018 1:27:43 GMT
Yes Goz, I am well aware that atheism is a lack of belief in God or gods. That hasn't stopped atheists from trying to get others to become atheists too (hence, proselytizing). Eg: Richard Dawkins wrote The God Delusion specifically with intention that the reader would became atheist themselves (he said so himself in the introduction of his book). Yes, you do care about whether people become priests or nuns, otherwise you wouldn't lament their decision. The only thing you posted in that second paragraph that was correct was That hasn't stopped you from giving your own opinions on their own life decision on the matter. You believe that faith in God is a delusion. Newsflash for you Goz: Other people do NOT see belief in God as a delusion. They believe He Is Real and we owe our very existence to Him. Therefore, there is nothing for you to lament, when people decide to dedicate their lives to God, by becoming priests or nuns, & certainly, if you truly acknowledge that it is none of your own business, is it for you to add your own 2 cents on the matter. The point of this thread was to point out why the missionary got killed by the remote tribesmen. It was PURELY because he had deludedly dedicated his life to God to a point where he took ridiculous risks in his arrogance of PERSONAL belief, and extrapolating that to mean that it was his God Given Right to change those people's minds, despite ALL risks and knowledge of the situation. That was delusional and morally wrong. He got what he deserved. End of Story. If you followed the story Goz, you would also know that this kid was an avid adventure seeker as well a fundamentalist Christian. He liked to take risks ANYWAY. I agree that he did a ridiculous thing. He was complete idiot. He lost his life now, as a result of his own stupidity, & to add to that, his family will never even get to visit his grave, as he is buried on the very island where he went & paid the price for his stupidity.
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Post by clusium on Nov 29, 2018 1:37:10 GMT
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Post by clusium on Nov 29, 2018 4:51:43 GMT
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Post by clusium on Nov 29, 2018 4:59:16 GMT
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Post by drystyx on Nov 29, 2018 5:52:02 GMT
Yes, you should know, with your own head shoved all the way up your butt!! Yes, there are certain biases & prejudices in the media, Toasted_Cheese, in case you haven't noticed. I think a Muslim or feminist or whoever, had gone to that island & wound up getting murdered too, by the local tribespeople, would be very foolish as well. However, the question is, would the media portray said people as being stupid? Or would they only focus on the tragedy of the case? Transparent phony deflection with your strawman argument about how the media would represent it, depending on the ideal. Nothing was manipulated here regarding the circumstance of the stoopid Christian boy. It would have been the same scenario regardless who it happened too. The bottom line is, going to this island inhabited by primitives was a very dangerous and foolhardy move. All this fool did, was make his faith look even more asinine, due to his PRIDE. This would have been the same situation had it been any other religious denomination or political movement that wanted to try and reach these people with their ideals and beliefs. Now keep your projection to yourself, because your take on it is a tad distorted and irrelevant. Are you ever going to stop bragging about your superiority complex and how glad you are that someone was killed? Talking about this poor boy's "pride"? It can't be "pride" when you humble yourself before Jesus. Can't be done. You either don't know what pride or arrogance is, or you're deliberately lying about it. The boy is dead, and there are sickos bragging about a gene pool. Acting superior. Superior? Ha! Ironic that you pukes call that brave young man "arrogant". I'd rather have some like this young man as my next door neighbors than you "superior" acting Beavis and Butthead cuckoo clocks guffawing about how you're gods who know what makes a better gene pool, because you clearly don't know what makes a better gene pool. I fart in your general direction. You red necks are about as superior as an oink pig in a mud patch.
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Post by goz on Nov 29, 2018 7:35:01 GMT
The point of this thread was to point out why the missionary got killed by the remote tribesmen. It was PURELY because he had deludedly dedicated his life to God to a point where he took ridiculous risks in his arrogance of PERSONAL belief, and extrapolating that to mean that it was his God Given Right to change those people's minds, despite ALL risks and knowledge of the situation. That was delusional and morally wrong. He got what he deserved. End of Story. If you followed the story Goz, you would also know that this kid was an avid adventure seeker as well a fundamentalist Christian. He liked to take risks ANYWAY. I agree that he did a ridiculous thing. He was complete idiot. He lost his life now, as a result of his own stupidity, & to add to that, his family will never even get to visit his grave, as he is buried on the very island where he went & paid the price for his stupidity. His death was caused pure and simple by his evangelism. That you minimise that says more about you and your sympathy with evangelism than the actual facts of the case.
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