NormanClature
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Post by NormanClature on Dec 31, 2018 0:55:37 GMT
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Post by politicidal on Dec 31, 2018 0:59:31 GMT
I think we all agree it's a big deal. For better or worse as summers8 insists.
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Post by charzhino on Dec 31, 2018 1:54:07 GMT
It will be bad because it wouldnt be deserved. A lot of top 10 films of the year lists are coming out by critics, magazines and big Youtubers, and ive been keeping an eye on how often Black Panther is on them. Its not as much as a best picture nominee should have and it certainly isnt in most peoples top 5.
What is funny is that Infinity War is on the top 10 lists with more or less the same frequency as Black Panther but why isnt IW getting pushed for a best pic nom but BP is? Race baiting is why
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Post by scabab on Dec 31, 2018 1:57:47 GMT
If The Dark Knight and Logan didn't get one, not to mention several others before it then Black Panther getting one will get some flack because it isn't deserved.
It was a good movie but not good enough that it alone should get the nomination when no others have.
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 31, 2018 3:12:44 GMT
If The Dark Knight and Logan didn't get one, not to mention several others before it then Black Panther getting one will get some flack because it isn't deserved. It was a good movie but not good enough that it alone should get the nomination when no others have. Agreed. If BP gets an Oscar nomination, there'll be plenty of negative backlash for the Academy catering to SJWs and handing out a nomination because of the race card.
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Post by politicidal on Dec 31, 2018 3:18:28 GMT
If The Dark Knight and Logan didn't get one, not to mention several others before it then Black Panther getting one will get some flack because it isn't deserved. It was a good movie but not good enough that it alone should get the nomination when no others have. Agreed. If BP gets an Oscar nomination, there'll be plenty of negative backlash for the Academy catering to SJWs and handing out a nomination because of the race card. Would you levy the same charge against movies like Green Book, Widows, If Beale Street Could Talk, or Roma and Crazy Rich Asians should they get a Best Picture nomination?
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Post by hobowar on Dec 31, 2018 3:32:01 GMT
It will be bad because it wouldnt be deserved. A lot of top 10 films of the year lists are coming out by critics, magazines and big Youtubers, and ive been keeping an eye on how often Black Panther is on them. Its not as much as a best picture nominee should have and it certainly isnt in most peoples top 5. What is funny is that Infinity War is on the top 10 lists with more or less the same frequency as Black Panther but why isnt IW getting pushed for a best pic nom but BP is? Race baiting is why So you're saying opinions should always match the general consensus and that everyone in the world should form one hive mind?
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Dec 31, 2018 3:47:30 GMT
It will be a big freaking deal if it does. Some people don't think it deserves it, while others do. I'm the latter, it's not like Venom is getting Oscar attention. Sure there's The Dark Knight and Logan argument, but Black Panther received better reviews than both of them.
Plus, it will break the CBM bias the Academy has towards them. This would be a good thing if Black Panther receives a Best Picture nomination.
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Post by damngumby on Dec 31, 2018 4:05:10 GMT
It would be a milestone achievement, marred only by the tantrums of a few butthurt fans ... reminding everyone that despite the development of the superhero genre, too many of the fans remain stunted children.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Dec 31, 2018 4:09:42 GMT
It would be a milestone achievement, marred only by the tantrums of a few butthurt fans ... reminding everyone that despite the development of the superhero genre, too many of the fans remain stunted children. It seems like it's only the MCU haters have a problem with Black Panther receiving a Best Picture nomination.
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 31, 2018 4:40:44 GMT
Agreed. If BP gets an Oscar nomination, there'll be plenty of negative backlash for the Academy catering to SJWs and handing out a nomination because of the race card. Would you levy the same charge against movies like Green Book, Widows, If Beale Street Could Talk, or Roma and Crazy Rich Asians should they get a Best Picture nomination? I haven't seen Green Book, If Beale Street Could Talk or Roma some I can't comment on those. Unlike BP, Crazy Rich Asians is a good movie and doesn't pander to the SJWs or use racism as a plot element like BP does.
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 31, 2018 4:43:33 GMT
it will break the CBM bias the Academy has towards them. This would be a good thing if Black Panther receives a Best Picture nomination. It won't break any CBM bias because everyone knows that any nomination for BP wouldn't be on merit (like it would be for The Dark Knight or Logan) but would be because of the race card. If anything, it would be a bad thing for the CBM industry if BP got nominated because it would create such a negative backlash.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Dec 31, 2018 5:07:20 GMT
it will break the CBM bias the Academy has towards them. This would be a good thing if Black Panther receives a Best Picture nomination. It won't break any CBM bias because everyone knows that any nomination for BP wouldn't be on merit (like it would be for The Dark Knight or Logan) but would be because of the race card. If anything, it would be a bad thing for the CBM industry if BP got nominated because it would create such a negative backlash. Merit? Summers8, is that you? Also if you're looking at merit, then Black Panther wins. 97% > 94% > 93% Math doesn't lie. Also, we know your stance would be different had Black Panther had the DC logo or the 20th Century Fox logo before it, but because it's Marvel Studios and Kevin Feige is behind it, it's racebaiting.
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NormanClature
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Post by NormanClature on Dec 31, 2018 8:11:01 GMT
If The Dark Knight and Logan didn't get one, not to mention several others before it then Black Panther getting one will get some flack because it isn't deserved. It was a good movie but not good enough that it alone should get the nomination when no others have. Agreed. If BP gets an Oscar nomination, there'll be plenty of negative backlash for the Academy catering to SJWs and handing out a nomination because of the race card. And yet there you were, 12 months ago, creaming your undercrackers over the possibility of Wonder Woman receiving an undeserved Oscar nomination because of the gender card. Hypocrisy much?
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Post by summers8 on Dec 31, 2018 8:48:29 GMT
It will be a big freaking deal if it does. Some people don't think it deserves it, while others do. I'm the latter, it's not like Venom is getting Oscar attention. Sure there's The Dark Knight and Logan argument, but Black Panther received better reviews than both of them. Plus, it will break the CBM bias the Academy has towards them. This would be a good thing if Black Panther receives a Best Picture nomination. complete bullshit.
Black panther did not get the same reviews as logan and tdk. black panther reviews is about the black cast. if you change the cast, remove the dinsey pr machine and race baiting black panther reviews are similar to thor 1 or most of the generic mcu movies. maybe even captian america 1 for social themes there not explored
was first class nominated in 2011?
infact winter solider has better reviews than black panther. logan and tdk reviews are pure film artistry. the race of the cast is meaningless and they are not built up by the disney pr machine. even heath ledger death can only take anyone that far. NOlan artistry is shown in that film you will find in his other films.
it wont break Oscars bias, it will make the oscar look retarded and fuel more fandom comic wars because the Oscars had many opportunities to award comic films clearly better than black panther and they did not.
nice for you mcu fans should twist things and act as if black panther is helping all comic films but it isnt. the thing with logan and tdk is. marvel , dc and independent comic fans were all supportive. Black panther only mcu fans are supportive with superficial reasons.
maybe if the Oscars had nominated X2 in 2003, Spiderman 2 in 2004, Batman Begins in 2005 in 3 consecutive years. blac panther getting a nomination will be less cringey.
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Post by summers8 on Dec 31, 2018 9:01:01 GMT
also remember MCU fans crying about wonder woman?. so no. you dont get to say wonder woman was not worthy and Black Panther is.
At least DC already had Batman Begins, TDKR and TDK. heck DC even had V for Vendetta. LOL
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Dec 31, 2018 9:28:30 GMT
it would be a Pyrrhic victory and damage the credibility of the Oscars in the long run. This would become THE example of a pandering Token Oscar. Anytime something is nominated or wins for pandering reasons people would call it "BlackPanther"-Oscar or an Disney-Oscar (dibs, I said it first!). As the better informed know, Disney aggressively exerts pressure on the Oscars, e.g. the recent farce of a popular Oscar ABC-Disney wanted, and the Oscars desperately need viewing number. Two years ago we saw Moonlight win over LaLaLand (which was arguable), last year we saw Get Out nominated (which was weird, good horror-comedy, but very silly). Black Panther would be nominated for best picture for what? It's an generic action film with Africans grunting like apes. Americans played royal African families since Coming to America, Marvel had black-led superheroes since Spawn and Blade. But at least it would give so much potential for mockery and laughter. Don't forget: Did we ever have a blockbuster franchise that did not get one measly Oscar after 22 movies…? Ever…? I do not wonder why…. Anyway, no wonder Disney is so aggressive. It will be amusing one way or the other.
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Post by summers8 on Dec 31, 2018 9:53:08 GMT
it would be a Pyrrhic victory and damage the credibility of the Oscars in the long run. This would become THE example of a pandering Token Oscar. Anytime something is nominated or wins for pandering reasons people would call it "BlackPanther"-Oscar or an Disney-Oscar (dibs, I said it first!). As the better informed know, Disney aggressively exerts pressure on the Oscars, e.g. the recent farce of a popular Oscar ABC-Disney wanted, and the Oscars desperately need viewing number. Two years ago we saw Moonlight win over LaLaLand (which was arguable), last year we saw Get Out nominated (which was weird, good horror-comedy, but very silly). Black Panther would be nominated for best picture for what? It's an generic action film with Africans grunting like apes. Americans played royal African families since Coming to America, Marvel had black-led superheroes since Spawn and Blade. But at least it would give so much potential for mockery and laughter. Don't forget: Did we ever have a blockbuster franchise that did not get one measly Oscar after 22 movies…? Ever…? I do not wonder why…. Anyway, no wonder Disney is so aggressive. It will be amusing one way or the other.
You know my problem is not even with black panther. in a way the movie is a victim and deserves better. had black panther been made under different circumstances by a different studio, I am sure it will be deserving.
my problem is with marvel disney, the media, brain dead critics and their corruption and lack of morality.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Dec 31, 2018 10:13:36 GMT
It won't happen.
It didn't happen for Wonder Woman and it won't happen for Black Panther.
And can we please fuck off with the "SJW" shit. It's cringey as hell.
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Post by summers8 on Dec 31, 2018 10:32:22 GMT
It won't happen. It didn't happen for Wonder Woman and it won't happen for Black Panther. And can we please fuck off with the "SJW" shit. It's cringey as hell. I think it will happen. we do need a laugh anyway and a sense of we told you so mcu fans.
the difference between wonder woman and black panther is wonder woman is DC so the push was still limited because we know critics and the media are bias against DC. also WB is not as powerful or has the same influence as disney has.
I think the media and biased critics wants this to happen. they want it to be an MCU movie to be the first so they are pushing black panther more than they ever did with wonder woman. they didnt even push logan and tdk this much at all.
wonder woman , yeah it was pushed a little but failed to get any golden globe, sag, national board review recognition. black panther actually did. and that shows how much power disney has.
as said, when it does happen. mcu fans should admit there is a huge bias to them an we can move on to other things more credible.
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