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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 11, 2019 18:42:06 GMT
No matter what explanation is offered, DC-Fan will simply not accept it and they will only like comments which agree with them - those being your standard MCU trolls and critics.
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 11, 2019 22:21:34 GMT
So how exactly does Thor know where to point the bifrost then? Does he just say "Wakanda" and it automatically picks a random field in Wakanda to Bifrost him to? Maybe you think he needs to enter coordinates into it first? I assume the bifrost knows where midgard is automatically and sets him on that route. As thors riding on it like a surfboard he could change its specific direction as he pleases when his field of view becomes clearer the closer he gets to earth. So he can land in London or Wakanda It's a valid theory, problem here is nothing we've seen in the movies indicates that this is how the Bifrost operates. We never see the Bifrost curve and roam around a planet as if the person/s traveling in it had a way to weave it to and fro. From what we've seen, it had always gone in the straightest line possible, with the source and destination already fixed when it activated. But even if we assume that Thor could redirect the Bifrost in the middle of travel, that would mean he'd have to have ridiculously fast reflexes... superspeed that would put Superman to shame, considering that the Bifrost allows you to travel multiple lightyears in a matter of seconds. A more valid explanation would be to assume that by gaining the power of the Bifrost, Thor has the ability to use it like it has always been used in the movies: As in the operator sees where he wants to direct the bifrost and then goes there directly. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 11, 2019 22:36:55 GMT
I assume the bifrost knows where midgard is automatically and sets him on that route. As thors riding on it like a surfboard he could change its specific direction as he pleases when his field of view becomes clearer the closer he gets to earth. So he can land in London or Wakanda A more valid explanation would be to assume that by gaining the power of the Bifrost, Thor has the ability to use it The most valid explanation is simply that the morons who directed the movie just thought the MCU audience wouldn't question their contrived plot conveniences so they never had a logical explanation for it. |
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Post by sostie on Jan 11, 2019 22:40:54 GMT
A more valid explanation would be to assume that by gaining the power of the Bifrost, Thor has the ability to use it The most valid explanation is simply that the morons who directed the movie just thought the MCU audience wouldn't question their contrived plot conveniences so they never had a logical explanation for it. So does Wonder Woman's magic boat make Patty Jenkins a moron |
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 11, 2019 22:41:10 GMT
A more valid explanation would be to assume that by gaining the power of the Bifrost, Thor has the ability to use it The most valid explanation is simply that the morons who directed the movie just thought the MCU audience wouldn't question their contrived plot conveniences so they never had a logical explanation for it. The most valid explanation is that audiences are expected to have a bit of common sense, can put the pieces together, not need everything spoonfed to them, and can understand the idea behind a fictional movie. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 22:54:02 GMT
The most valid explanation is simply that the morons who directed the movie just thought the MCU audience wouldn't question their contrived plot conveniences so they never had a logical explanation for it. The most valid explanation is that audiences are expected to have a bit of common sense, can put the pieces together, not need everything spoonfed to them, and can understand the idea behind a fictional movie. I too concur. The metric of many, not all, but many good movies is that it's understandable. There's little brownie points for making a story so complicated that it cannot be followed. But too much exposition can be distracting, and when it's improperly used, it can really take the audience out of the movie. Stopping to explain every little thing is like ruffling the curtains during a play; it shatters the illusion. After that, there's no coming back from the awareness that you're watching a play. |
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Post by charzhino on Jan 12, 2019 0:36:00 GMT
It's a valid theory, problem here is nothing we've seen in the movies indicates that this is how the Bifrost operates. Weve seen who can operate the bifrost and by what mechanism. So by process of elimination we have a good idea of how it works. We see a small portion of the end beam. How the source and destination are activated is the question here. In thor 1 Odin exhiles Thor to earth in New Mexico . The bifrost must have been randomly aimed at, like throwing a dart to a dartboard blindfolded. In thor 2 beginning, Heimdall sends Thor to london. He does this because only he can see where Jane Foster exactly is. Thor cannot see her, he doesnt have that power. So in IW, Thor cannot see whats happening in Wakanda from the star forger planet so he cant aim the bifrost to Wakanda, its not possible. By this prior knowledge he has to aim the bifrost towards the general direction of earth first and course correct as he gets nearer to which exact country/city he wants to land in. As you travel faster close to light speed, time slows down for the traveller because of relativity. So he will have plenty of time to react. Thor has never commanded the bifrost on his own before IW. He always needed hemidalls help to guide him. This also brings up the point of how Thor on his bifrost debut can successfuly go from 1 point to the other in perfect time to save the day in Wakanda without any hitch. Beginners luck I guess but now that would really be a nitpick so it can slide. Thor doesnt have Heimdalls far vision to choose Wakanda. Nothing in the previous movies have suggested othtwise. You either need the Observatory (destroyed) to see a place from far, Odins all seeing ability (dead) or Heimdalls vision (dead). 1 explanation someone pointed out early said Thor inherited Odins all knowing all seeing ability after he died. Im sceptical on that because nothing in Ragnarok relly supports that tjeory. |
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 12, 2019 1:00:18 GMT
It's a valid theory, problem here is nothing we've seen in the movies indicates that this is how the Bifrost operates. Weve seen who can operate the bifrost and by what mechanism. So by process of elimination we have a good idea of how it works. We see a small portion of the end beam. How the source and destination are activated is the question here. In thor 1 Odin exhiles Thor to earth in New Mexico . The bifrost must have been randomly aimed at, like throwing a dart to a dartboard blindfolded. In thor 2 beginning, Heimdall sends Thor to london. He does this because only he can see where Jane Foster exactly is. Thor cannot see her, he doesnt have that power. So in IW, Thor cannot see whats happening in Wakanda from the star forger planet so he cant aim the bifrost to Wakanda, its not possible. By this prior knowledge he has to aim the bifrost towards the general direction of earth first and course correct as he gets nearer to which exact country/city he wants to land in. As you travel faster close to light speed, time slows down for the traveller because of relativity. So he will have plenty of time to react. Thor has never commanded the bifrost on his own before IW. He always needed hemidalls help to guide him. This also brings up the point of how Thor on his bifrost debut can successfuly go from 1 point to the other in perfect time to save the day in Wakanda without any hitch. Beginners luck I guess but now that would really be a nitpick so it can slide. Thor doesnt have Heimdalls far vision to choose Wakanda. Nothing in the previous movies have suggested othtwise. You either need the Observatory (destroyed) to see a place from far, Odins all seeing ability (dead) or Heimdalls vision (dead). 1 explanation someone pointed out early said Thor inherited Odins all knowing all seeing ability after he died. Im sceptical on that because nothing in Ragnarok relly supports that tjeory. Odin and Volstagg have also utilized the Bifrost without a hitch despite not having Heimdalls' talents. And I don't recall any mechanism in the observatory that would grant them Heimdall's sight. In fact, we see the Bifrost being used by Borr in their war against the Dark Elves, assumedly before Heimdall was even born. Are you telling me that for all the generations of Asgardians before Heimdall was born that they were using the Bifrost blindly? I don't think so. We see when Borr used it that it teleported them right in the middle of a battle. Either that was blind luck on his part or he's able to see where he wants to be before hand. Like I said, your theory is not without merit, but it is simply not backed up by what we've seen in the movies. Whereas my theory is backed up by feats. Thor doesn't need Heimdall's talents to do what I'm saying. He doesn't need to see a trillion souls in the universe or whatever. But the Bifrost is obviously able to compress space and time to allow interspace travel, it's not unfounded to assume that it can easily give you a visual of the area you want to Bifrost to. Heck, we already do something similar with Google Maps and we're nowhere near the kind of technology necessary to create something like the Bifrost. |
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Post by damngumby on Jan 12, 2019 1:25:05 GMT
The most valid explanation is that audiences are expected to have a bit of common sense, can put the pieces together, not need everything spoonfed to them, and can understand the idea behind a fictional movie. I too concur. Looks like this is just another case of DC-Fan being the only one failing to comprehend a simple thing. Somehow, in his mind, that makes everyone else the moron. 😂 😂 😂 😳 |
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jan 12, 2019 4:20:11 GMT
A more valid explanation would be to assume that by gaining the power of the Bifrost, Thor has the ability to use it The most valid explanation is simply that the morons who directed the movie just thought the MCU audience wouldn't question their contrived plot conveniences so they never had a logical explanation for it. You must really hate BvS for all the plot contrivances it has. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 12, 2019 10:35:23 GMT
So it this important issue still not resolved? Especially, how in the universe Thor knew to go to (energy shield hidden) Wakanda to clobber the stones? If we got nothing better than convenient speculation re-writing the script, I suggest to admit DC fan is right: The mcguffin stones must have hyper-space GPS.  |
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Post by charzhino on Jan 12, 2019 13:30:55 GMT
Odin and Volstagg have also utilized the Bifrost without a hitch despite not having Heimdalls' talents. And I don't recall any mechanism in the observatory that would grant them Heimdall's sight. In fact, we see the Bifrost being used by Borr in their war against the Dark Elves, assumedly before Heimdall was even born. Are you telling me that for all the generations of Asgardians before Heimdall was born that they were using the Bifrost blindly? I don't think so. We see when Borr used it that it teleported them right in the middle of a battle. Either that was blind luck on his part or he's able to see where he wants to be before hand. Like I said, your theory is not without merit, but it is simply not backed up by what we've seen in the movies. Whereas my theory is backed up by feats. Thor doesn't need Heimdall's talents to do what I'm saying. He doesn't need to see a trillion souls in the universe or whatever. But the Bifrost is obviously able to compress space and time to allow interspace travel, it's not unfounded to assume that it can easily give you a visual of the area you want to Bifrost to. Heck, we already do something similar with Google Maps and we're nowhere near the kind of technology necessary to create something like the Bifrost. King Borr and others before Odin were very powerful, they may have had all seeing abilities. We dont know if Thor has inherited them from Odin after his death, its not clear. You can assume he has since he used the bifrost in IW. People like Skurge was the gatekeeper after Heimdall. I dont think hes anywhere near powerful to operate and direct the bifrost to specific locations on his own. Therefore the observatory is necessary as a pointer, which if you look at it is shaped like a massive globe map, likr Google earth. |
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Post by damngumby on Jan 12, 2019 13:35:52 GMT
So it this important issue still not resolved? I believe it is resolved. Simple explainations have been explored and there is a general consensus that the topic has little merit. Right now, I think we’re just mopping up the troll excrement. Watch your step! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 17:41:04 GMT
So it this important issue still not resolved? I believe it is resolved. Simple explainations have been explored and there is a general consensus that the topic has little merit. Right now, I think we’re just mopping up the troll excrement. Watch your step! Has it come up that Stormbreaker brought them there? His other hammer has intuitions. It knows when people are worthy. Maybe Stormbreaker is low-key psychic, and has GPS. |
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jan 12, 2019 18:53:28 GMT
So it this important issue still not resolved? Especially, how in the universe Thor knew to go to (energy shield hidden) Wakanda to clobber the stones? If we got nothing better than convenient speculation re-writing the script, I suggest to admit DC fan is right: The mcguffin stones must have hyper-space GPS. Not exactly. First off, as someone pointed out, he got there before Thanos did. So it wasn't so much he was tracking the stones. And when Odin died, Thor picked up the mantle of being king and being the new All Father over the Nine realms, hence granting him all of Odin's powers (probably even ones we haven't seen on screen yet) including being able to open the Bifrost and having Odin Sight. He also knew that Vision had one of the stones, and considering that the Avengers were fighting in Wakanda, he probably figured out that Vision would be there and Thanos would be coming for him eventually. Sorry that doesn't get spoon-fed to you. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 12, 2019 20:48:48 GMT
So it this important issue still not resolved? Especially, how in the universe Thor knew to go to (energy shield hidden) Wakanda to clobber the stones? If we got nothing better than convenient speculation re-writing the script, I suggest to admit DC fan is right: The mcguffin stones must have hyper-space GPS. Not exactly. First off, as someone pointed out, he got there before Thanos did. So it wasn't so much he was tracking the stones. And when Odin died, Thor picked up the mantle of being king and being the new All Father over the Nine realms, hence granting him all of Odin's powers (probably even ones we haven't seen on screen yet) including being able to open the Bifrost and having Odin Sight. He also knew that Vision had one of the stones, and considering that the Avengers were fighting in Wakanda, he probably figured out that Vision would be there and Thanos would be coming for him eventually. Sorry that doesn't get spoon-fed to you. that's pretty bad. "It's all magic" and speculating won't substitute for coherent writing. Spoon feed me this: In one sentence there is an enormous logic hole: (i) " considering that the Avengers were fighting in Wakanda" HOW did Thor know they were of all places in the universe in hidden Wakanda? How did he even know Wakanda? Did Thor read the SCRIPT...? Point out exact dialogue and exposition without speculating. Or it's another plot hole requiring GPS. (ii) " he probably figured out that Vision would be there." Why that, Vision could be everywhere, makes more sense to hide him somewhere else. You are speculating again, as indicated by "probably". |
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jan 12, 2019 21:41:56 GMT
Not exactly. First off, as someone pointed out, he got there before Thanos did. So it wasn't so much he was tracking the stones. And when Odin died, Thor picked up the mantle of being king and being the new All Father over the Nine realms, hence granting him all of Odin's powers (probably even ones we haven't seen on screen yet) including being able to open the Bifrost and having Odin Sight. He also knew that Vision had one of the stones, and considering that the Avengers were fighting in Wakanda, he probably figured out that Vision would be there and Thanos would be coming for him eventually. Sorry that doesn't get spoon-fed to you. that's pretty bad. "It's all magic" and speculating won't substitute for coherent writing. Spoon feed me this: In one sentence there is an enormous logic hole: (i) " considering that the Avengers were fighting in Wakanda" HOW did Thor know they were of all places in the universe in hidden Wakanda? How did he even know Wakanda? Did Thor read the SCRIPT...? Point out exact dialogue and exposition without speculating. Or it's another plot hole requiring GPS. (ii) " he probably figured out that Vision would be there." Why that, Vision could be everywhere, makes more sense to hide him somewhere else. You are speculating again, as indicated by "probably". First off, in regards to how Thor knew about Wakanda, he actually learned about it, along with the other Avengers, in Age of Ultron when they went after Klaue in South Africa. But speculation isn't rewriting the script, nor is it a plot hole. Sure it could be a contrivance sometimes, but so what?! As usual, you're a hypocrite who won't even admit to the plethora of contrivances and plot holes in BvS. As I mentioned, Thor is the All father of the Nine Realms now with Odin gone, so it's not that hard to believe he was granted with some or Odin's abilities, such as Odin Sight. If you really can't comprehend that, then that's your problem. And I never said Thor was specifically looking for Vision or even the stones. He wanted Thanos. And considering everything that happened in the beginning of the film, especially with Heimdell transporting Bruce back to earth, Thor knew that Bruce would warn the others of Thanos arrival, so it would make sense to find the Avengers and where they're fighting, with Odin Sight. If you really can't comprehend any of that without calling it plot holes, then again, that's your problem because you're looking for a problem with the film because it's Marvel, and like every other DC jagoff, you're upset and jealous of their success. |
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Post by scabab on Jan 12, 2019 23:13:03 GMT
Let's not get too worked up over a possible plot hole in a superhero movie.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 29, 2019 1:16:01 GMT
The most valid explanation is simply that the morons who directed the movie just thought the MCU audience wouldn't question their contrived plot conveniences so they never had a logical explanation for it. So does Wonder Woman's magic boat make Patty Jenkins a moron WOW! You really are a fool! The boat isn't magic. They sailed up the Thames to London. People do that every day. Why the fuck would a magic boat be needed to sail up the Thames to London?
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Post by poutinep on Jun 29, 2019 3:38:34 GMT
So does Wonder Woman's magic boat make Patty Jenkins a moron WOW! You really are a fool! The boat isn't magic. They sailed up the Thames to London. People do that every day. Why the fuck would a magic boat be needed to sail up the Thames to London? Invisible plane? Sure. Lasso that makes people tell the truth? No problem! Magic boat? now you've gone too far!
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