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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 10, 2019 23:10:33 GMT
No pitchforks. No horns. No ferryman. In any case you seem to be confusing Hell with what the ancients called the Underworld. When the Hebrew scriptures were translated into Greek in ancient Alexandria around 200 BC, the word "Hades" (the Greek underworld) was substituted for Sheol (which in the Hebrew Bible, is a place of darkness to which all the dead go, both the righteous and the unrighteous, regardless of the moral choices made in life.) This is reflected in the New Testament where Hades is both the underworld of the dead and the personification of the evil it represents. Some other traditions, which do not conceive of the afterlife as a place of punishment or reward, merely describe Hell as an abode of the dead, the grave, a neutral place located under the surface of Earth. "With the New Testament’s presentation of death, the dead and the underworld there is significant continuity with the Old Testament, but there are also significant changes made by the Gospel of Jesus Christ... the New Testament use of Hades shall be considered equivalent to, and shown to be consistent with, the Old Testament use of the term Sheol" biblicalstudies.org.uk/pdf/churchman/122-02_107.pdf Isiah 14:9 "And the underworld dead are all excited, preparing to welcome you when you come.." etc I hope that helps. How did you know you were in the specific Christian hell as opposed to another one btw? Is it signposted? Did you throw Cerberus a bone or three on the way in ? Since you don't regard any of it as possible, what difference does it make?
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Feb 10, 2019 23:14:35 GMT
When the Hebrew scriptures were translated into Greek in ancient Alexandria around 200 BC, the word "Hades" (the Greek underworld) was substituted for Sheol (which in the Hebrew Bible, is a place of darkness to which all the dead go, both the righteous and the unrighteous, regardless of the moral choices made in life.) This is reflected in the New Testament where Hades is both the underworld of the dead and the personification of the evil it represents. Some other traditions, which do not conceive of the afterlife as a place of punishment or reward, merely describe Hell as an abode of the dead, the grave, a neutral place located under the surface of Earth. "With the New Testament’s presentation of death, the dead and the underworld there is significant continuity with the Old Testament, but there are also significant changes made by the Gospel of Jesus Christ... the New Testament use of Hades shall be considered equivalent to, and shown to be consistent with, the Old Testament use of the term Sheol" biblicalstudies.org.uk/pdf/churchman/122-02_107.pdf Isiah 14:9 "And the underworld dead are all excited, preparing to welcome you when you come.." etc I hope that helps. How did you know you were in the specific Christian hell as opposed to another one btw? Is it signposted? Did you throw Cerberus a bone or three on the way in ? Since you don't regard any of it as possible, what difference does it make? It makes no difference to me. But I like to ask people for who such things do, just to see how well it has been thought through, and whether it proves consistent - this being a religious discussion board and all. Sorry if that is inconvenient.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 10, 2019 23:27:40 GMT
Since you don't regard any of it as possible, what difference does it make? It makes no difference to me. But I like to ask people for who such things do, just to see how well it has been thought through, and whether it proves consistent - this being a religious discussion board and all. Sorry if that is inconvenient. Yes, you like being one of these: As I've said before, if what I saw wasn't Hell it will do until Hell comes along. I can think of nothing good to say about it and I can't imagine anyone wanting to go there.
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Post by goz on Feb 10, 2019 23:42:21 GMT
Baloney. St. Faustina saw Hell and I didn't hear anything about her dying in order to see it. In any case, you don't believe that Hell exists, right? If that's so, how could I see it even if I did die? And.....you also insist that death is something a person can only do once, so according to you if I died I would go nowhere and it would be impossible for me to come back to life and tell anything about where I had been or what I had seen. You're stumbling all over yourself, Goz. It's pathetic. Are you seriously saying that even if you believe in Hell, that you don't have to die to go there? Alert the press, a stupid little man in Alabama has the answer to eternal life and coming back from Hell. No, Hell does not exist, so you seeing it is a further sign of both your fever induces hallucination at the time and your stupidity in believing in the concept of Hell in the first place and thinking that your hallucination was real. Yes, you can only die once and there is no afterlife, so you haven't been there, you just stupidly claimed that you did, due to your lack of knowledge about what happened to you in real life. I am pathetic? I am NOT the one claiming a fever induced hallucination was a fake trip to hell and back even though I am still alive!!!!
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 10, 2019 23:51:00 GMT
Baloney. St. Faustina saw Hell and I didn't hear anything about her dying in order to see it. In any case, you don't believe that Hell exists, right? If that's so, how could I see it even if I did die? And.....you also insist that death is something a person can only do once, so according to you if I died I would go nowhere and it would be impossible for me to come back to life and tell anything about where I had been or what I had seen. You're stumbling all over yourself, Goz. It's pathetic. Are you seriously saying that even if you believe in Hell, that you don't have to die to go there? Alert the press, a stupid little man in Alabama has the answer to eternal life and coming back from Hell. No, Hell does not exist, so you seeing it is a further sign of both your fever induces hallucination at the time and your stupidity in believing in the concept of Hell in the first place and thinking that your hallucination was real. Yes, you can only die once and there is no afterlife, so you haven't been there, you just stupidly claimed that you did, due to your lack of knowledge about what happened to you in real life. I am pathetic? I am NOT the one claiming a fever induced hallucination was a fake trip to hell and back even though I am still alive!!!! Would you listen to yourself, please? You can't go to Hell because there is no Hell because there is no afterlife because when people die they stay dead and the ones who die and come back were never really dead, but it's impossible to see Hell without dying because you have to be dead first to go to Hell, and after you're dead and go to Hell you can never come back and tell anyone about it. And you call me illogical? Even if I had a so-called NDE and visited Hell you wouldn't believe it. The only thing that would make you believe it is for you to see it yourself, I'm sorry to say.
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Post by goz on Feb 11, 2019 0:00:35 GMT
Would you listen to yourself, please? You can't go to Hell because there is no Hell because there is no afterlife because when people die they stay dead and the ones who die and come back were never really dead, but it's impossible to see Hell without dying because you have to be dead first to go to Hell, and after you're dead and go to Hell you can never come back and tell anyone about it.And you call me illogical? Even if I had a so-called NDE and visited Hell you wouldn't believe it. The only thing that would make you believe it is for you to see it yourself, I'm sorry to say.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Feb 11, 2019 8:38:07 GMT
As I've said before, if what I saw wasn't Hell it will do until Hell comes along. I can think of nothing good to say about it and I can't imagine anyone wanting to go there. Remember what I said about being consistent? I do.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 11, 2019 8:44:08 GMT
As I've said before, if what I saw wasn't Hell it will do until Hell comes along. I can think of nothing good to say about it and I can't imagine anyone wanting to go there. Remember what I said about being consistent? I do. No, I don't remember much of anything you say. And I suspect that no one does because nothing you say is worth remembering. And if you don't like it you can always piss off and go somewhere that people talk about things that you like and believe in.
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Post by Karl Aksel on Feb 11, 2019 8:51:16 GMT
I hate to break it to you butt there is one teeny tiny flaw in your claim. You didn't die and you are not dead. Even to you that must be obvious? No, I didn't die. I never said I died. Some people have died and come back to tell about it, but I was not one of these. I was wracked with a severe fever, and I saw it without actually dying. Hope that helps. People have been known to hallucinate during severe fever, you know.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 11, 2019 8:52:55 GMT
No, I didn't die. I never said I died. Some people have died and come back to tell about it, but I was not one of these. I was wracked with a severe fever, and I saw it without actually dying. Hope that helps. People have been known to hallucinate during severe fever, you know. Yup. It can induce an altered state of consciousness.
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Post by Karl Aksel on Feb 11, 2019 9:03:58 GMT
People have been known to hallucinate during severe fever, you know. Yup. It can induce an altered state of consciousness. Which does not mean a heightened sense of consciousness. Alcoholics suffering from withdrawal may see things crawling up the wall, and brain damage may cause people to mistake inanimate objects for animals or people - or the other way around. A healthy brain has the healthiest consciousness - I think that stands to reason.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 11, 2019 9:15:00 GMT
Yup. It can induce an altered state of consciousness. Which does not mean a heightened sense of consciousness. Alcoholics suffering from withdrawal may see things crawling up the wall, and brain damage may cause people to mistake inanimate objects for animals or people - or the other way around. A healthy brain has the healthiest consciousness - I think that stands to reason. What do you think would lead to a heightened sense of consciousness? Atheism, perhaps?
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Post by Karl Aksel on Feb 11, 2019 9:22:20 GMT
Which does not mean a heightened sense of consciousness. Alcoholics suffering from withdrawal may see things crawling up the wall, and brain damage may cause people to mistake inanimate objects for animals or people - or the other way around. A healthy brain has the healthiest consciousness - I think that stands to reason. What do you think would lead to a heightened sense of consciousness? Atheism, perhaps? I don't think there is such a thing as "heightened" consciousness. You reach peak consciousness sometime in your youth, and then slowly deteriorates with age.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 11, 2019 9:24:42 GMT
What do you think would lead to a heightened sense of consciousness? Atheism, perhaps? I don't think there is such a thing as "heightened" consciousness. You reach peak consciousness sometime in your youth, and then slowly deteriorates with age. That's exactly the reply I expected from an individual like you.....and yet you still keep coming back here. Why is that?
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Post by Karl Aksel on Feb 11, 2019 10:14:28 GMT
I don't think there is such a thing as "heightened" consciousness. You reach peak consciousness sometime in your youth, and then slowly deteriorates with age. Consciousness awareness would be different for each individual. Not everyone is going to end up with dementia. I didn't say anything about dementia. But dementia is something which would happen to all of us, if given long enough life spans. The brain ages, same as any other part of the body. Even if you have absolutely no signs of dementia at 80, your brain is still not going to be as spry as it was when you were 20.
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Post by Karl Aksel on Feb 11, 2019 10:16:18 GMT
I don't think there is such a thing as "heightened" consciousness. You reach peak consciousness sometime in your youth, and then slowly deteriorates with age. That's exactly the reply I expected from an individual like you.....and yet you still keep coming back here. Why is that? I really don't see the connection between your first sentence and your second. What, did I have the wrong opinion in order to be on this board? I didn't realise this was the No Karl Aksels club.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 11, 2019 10:18:59 GMT
That's exactly the reply I expected from an individual like you.....and yet you still keep coming back here. Why is that? I really don't see the connection between your first sentence and your second. What, did I have the wrong opinion in order to be on this board? I didn't realise this was the No Karl Aksels club. It may not be to your benefit to read more into my reply than what I actually wrote.
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Post by Karl Aksel on Feb 11, 2019 10:52:43 GMT
I really don't see the connection between your first sentence and your second. What, did I have the wrong opinion in order to be on this board? I didn't realise this was the No Karl Aksels club. It may not be to your benefit to read more into my reply than what I actually wrote. Says the guy who for some reason assumed that I think atheists have a heightened sense of consciousness. I replied without addressing the snide remark then, choosing instead to give you a fair and honest answer. For some reason you chose to take offence. It was not to your benefit to write what you did.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 11, 2019 10:55:14 GMT
It may not be to your benefit to read more into my reply than what I actually wrote. It was not to your benefit to write what you did. If you think you've been treated unfairly, get yourself a good Jewish lawyer and sue me.
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Post by Karl Aksel on Feb 11, 2019 10:56:58 GMT
It was not to your benefit to write what you did. If you think you've been treated unfairly, get yourself a good Jewish lawyer and sue me. I never said anything about being treated unfairly. I merely commented on your bizarre response, which didn't make any sense. Again you read more into what I write than I have actually written, and for some reason you accused me of doing that, too.
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