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Post by summers8 on Jan 24, 2019 7:37:40 GMT
Suppose I really dug both car chases? but one has a superior film quality to it.
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Post by summers8 on Jan 24, 2019 7:38:57 GMT
Do you really have nothing better in your life than just obsessing over this Oscar nonsense. At the end of the day, they're just movies. There are better things in life. My advice; move on! lol....i told you i was going to have fun when bp was nominated. lmao
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Post by hobowar on Jan 24, 2019 7:52:11 GMT
Do you really have nothing better in your life than just obsessing over this Oscar nonsense. At the end of the day, they're just movies. There are better things in life. My advice; move on! lol....i told you i was going to have fun when bp was nominated. lmao
You're having fun? I suppose your carers are having a night off so that's nice.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Jan 24, 2019 10:26:47 GMT
If great car chases are a criteria for the Oscars... then Baby Driver should’ve took home ALL the gold last year.
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Post by DSDSquared on Jan 24, 2019 13:05:07 GMT
Nolan is hilariously bad with action. and he makes it up with cinematography. mcu is bad with both action and cinematography. You are just trolling with this. The MCU has tremendous action scenes that blow any action Nolan ever directed out of the water. Have you ever seen The Winter Soldier?
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Post by summers8 on Jan 24, 2019 13:29:23 GMT
If great car chases are a criteria for the Oscars... then Baby Driver should’ve took home ALL the gold last year. the car chase was to show how tdk had a superior film making from sound editing, visual effects to cinematography.
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Post by summers8 on Jan 24, 2019 13:30:20 GMT
and he makes it up with cinematography. mcu is bad with both action and cinematography. You are just trolling with this. The MCU has tremendous action scenes that blow any action Nolan ever directed out of the water. Have you ever seen The Winter Soldier? and winter solider was not nominated for best picture....lol
black panther is not really the post film for merit is it?lmao
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Post by DSDSquared on Jan 24, 2019 14:02:09 GMT
You are just trolling with this. The MCU has tremendous action scenes that blow any action Nolan ever directed out of the water. Have you ever seen The Winter Soldier? and winter solider was not nominated for best picture....lol
black panther is not really the post film for merit is it?lmao
That is not what you said. You said that the MCU has terrible action scenes, which is a joke. They have tremendous action scenes, even in their less than stellar movies like Age of Ultron. Don't get me wrong, Nolan is a FAR better film maker than anyone in the MCU, but he cannot direct action scenes. Batman Begins is especially bad with them.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Jan 24, 2019 14:08:21 GMT
If great car chases are a criteria for the Oscars... then Baby Driver should’ve took home ALL the gold last year. the car chase was to show how tdk had a superior film making from sound editing, visual effects to cinematography. The thing is that I don’t think many of us are in disagreement that TDK should’ve been nominated. I guess I just don’t understand why people are so deadset on raining all over other’s parade. Is it that important to come into our celebratory threads and bring a massively negative presence to something so many are feeling happy and positive about? I mean it’s absolutely a free forum welcome of all opinions. But does it bring pleasure to spread hate and try to make people feel bad about their happiness? I mean is that what this world has come to? Can’t we all just disagree but be congratulatory at the same time? I’m going to try to start. Congratulations on that Logan nomination last year. That was really great for the X-Men universe. I love you man <3
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Post by summers8 on Jan 24, 2019 14:20:33 GMT
and winter solider was not nominated for best picture....lol
black panther is not really the post film for merit is it?lmao
That is not what you said. You said that the MCU has terrible action scenes, which is a joke. They have tremendous action scenes, even in their less than stellar movies like Age of Ultron. Don't get me wrong, Nolan is a FAR better film maker than anyone in the MCU, but he cannot direct action scenes. Batman Begins is especially bad with them. MCU has generic action scenes. bryan singer despite the fact he could be a child molester was more visionary with action scenes.
i enjoy nolan's talent even though I knew action scenes were not his strength but at least his action scenes don't look like cartoons like mcu movies. I will take that any day. since i like the grounded comic movies. they are just more mature.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jan 24, 2019 15:59:44 GMT
The car chase in Black Panther is better than the car chase in TDK.
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 24, 2019 17:01:23 GMT
If great car chases are a criteria for the Oscars... then Baby Driver should’ve took home ALL the gold last year. the car chase was to show how tdk had a superior film making from sound editing, visual effects to cinematography. Except TDK fails in all of that when it comes to fight scenes.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 17:08:24 GMT
the car chase was to show how tdk had a superior film making from sound editing, visual effects to cinematography. Except TDK fails in all of that when it comes to fight scenes. So so. They're definitely not as good but I also thought that was just Batman's fighting style. Nolan's Batman specifically clubs. He hits hard, probably so he doesn't have to hit often. Almost all of his punches are one-punch attempts to put somebody down, which I don't really mind because they're in tune with his character.
They're all human opponents too, only a few with skill. The first time he really fought an equal (Bane) he lost because Bane can take a punch.
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 24, 2019 18:07:16 GMT
Except TDK fails in all of that when it comes to fight scenes. So so. They're definitely not as good but I also thought that was just Batman's fighting style. Nolan's Batman specifically clubs. He hits hard, probably so he doesn't have to hit often. Almost all of his punches are one-punch attempts to put somebody down, which I don't really mind because they're in tune with his character.
They're all human opponents too, only a few with skill. The first time he really fought an equal (Bane) he lost because Bane can take a punch.
Nope, the TDK trilogy is infamous among modern-day cbms for its horrible fight scenes. It's not just the fighting style. Usually there are too many cuts done from weird angles and shaky cam such that you can't tell what's happening. When you do see what's happening there are quite a few shots where it's obvious the hits aren't actually landing. Add to that the slow, jerky choreography that looks incredibly unrealistic. Here's an example (though this is taken from TDKR). Watch the fighter at the far left:
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Post by DSDSquared on Jan 24, 2019 18:12:39 GMT
That is not what you said. You said that the MCU has terrible action scenes, which is a joke. They have tremendous action scenes, even in their less than stellar movies like Age of Ultron. Don't get me wrong, Nolan is a FAR better film maker than anyone in the MCU, but he cannot direct action scenes. Batman Begins is especially bad with them. MCU has generic action scenes. bryan singer despite the fact he could be a child molester was more visionary with action scenes.
i enjoy nolan's talent even though I knew action scenes were not his strength but at least his action scenes don't look like cartoons like mcu movies. I will take that any day. since i like the grounded comic movies. they are just more mature.
I know I keep bringing only one film up, but what about Winter Soldier? The Boat scene, the elevator fight, and the highway fight were excellent. Heck, the Captain America/Ultron fight was great and Age of Ultron is no where near as good a movie as any Nolan Batman film. Even Iron Man 2 had tremendous fight scenes and that movie is basically a trailer for Avengers. The Black Widow battle was especially well done.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 18:39:16 GMT
So so. They're definitely not as good but I also thought that was just Batman's fighting style. Nolan's Batman specifically clubs. He hits hard, probably so he doesn't have to hit often. Almost all of his punches are one-punch attempts to put somebody down, which I don't really mind because they're in tune with his character.
They're all human opponents too, only a few with skill. The first time he really fought an equal (Bane) he lost because Bane can take a punch.
Nope, the TDK trilogy is infamous among modern-day cbms for its horrible fight scenes. It's not just the fighting style. Usually there are too many cuts done from weird angles and shaky cam such that you can't tell what's happening. When you do see what's happening there are quite a few shots where it's obvious the hits aren't actually landing. Add to that the slow, jerky choreography that looks incredibly unrealistic. That is unfortunate. I just watched The Dark Knight on TV a few Sundays ago and I didn't have any difficulty telling what was happening. The MCU fight choreography is a cut above but the characters within the movies are usually trained fighters. Batman's fighting style in the movies tell me he's not a great fighter, so I think he clubs and swings with the weight of his whole arm bearing down and expecting the suit material to deliver extra impact. He wouldn't fight like that if he weren't in costume...I hope.
I would say the MCU did a lot for fight choreography; it probably upped the stakes and changed the game. But what I think the MCU and the TDK trilogy have in common is their fighting makes sense according to their universes. Everybody Batman fights is an ordinary person, physically speaking. Except Bane and maybe Ra's Al Ghul. Even at his peak he'd never last against Bucky. But in The Dark Knight specifically, everybody Batman fist-fights is untrained; low-level street hoods, ex Asylum patrons, the Joker. People without fighting skills. Take away the suit and Batman fights like just a guy, which to me makes sense because that's what he is. It doesn't take away from the MCU that its universe seems to have less glass jaws per capita. The MCU is wrought with characters throughout the universe that have at a rudimentary relationship with martial arts and I'm a more satisfied viewer for it.
Did you always think the fight scenes in The Dark Knight trilogy were bad or is that a recent thing?
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 24, 2019 19:21:06 GMT
Nope, the TDK trilogy is infamous among modern-day cbms for its horrible fight scenes. It's not just the fighting style. Usually there are too many cuts done from weird angles and shaky cam such that you can't tell what's happening. When you do see what's happening there are quite a few shots where it's obvious the hits aren't actually landing. Add to that the slow, jerky choreography that looks incredibly unrealistic. That is unfortunate. I just watched The Dark Knight on TV a few Sundays ago and I didn't have any difficulty telling what was happening. The MCU fight choreography is a cut above but the characters within the movies are usually trained fighters. Batman's fighting style in the movies tell me he's not a great fighter, so I think he clubs and swings with the weight of his whole arm bearing down and expecting the suit material to deliver extra impact. He wouldn't fight like that if he weren't in costume...I hope.
I would say the MCU did a lot for fight choreography; it probably upped the stakes and changed the game. But what I think the MCU and the TDK trilogy have in common is their fighting makes sense according to their universes. Everybody Batman fights is an ordinary person, physically speaking. Except Bane and maybe Ra's Al Ghul. Even at his peak he'd never last against Bucky. But in The Dark Knight specifically, everybody Batman fist-fights is untrained; low-level street hoods, ex Asylum patrons, the Joker. People without fighting skills. Take away the suit and Batman fights like just a guy, which to me makes sense because that's what he is. It doesn't take away from the MCU that its universe seems to have less glass jaws per capita. The MCU is wrought with characters throughout the universe that have at a rudimentary relationship with martial arts and I'm a more satisfied viewer for it.
Did you always think the fight scenes in The Dark Knight trilogy were bad or is that a recent thing?
I've felt this way since the first time I watched Batman Begins. For such great movies, expensive-looking movies, they sure had some cheap looking fight scenes. And it's not because Batman is simply fighting goons and untrained fighters. Even a real-world, average thug would probably move better than Batman in these movies. Batman in these fights always moves slow and robotic. Telegraphing his moves a mile away and being very stiff with his movements. See the Batman vs. Bane fight for a good example of this. I blame his suit, he probably can't move well in it. Still, what happens is that his opponents just stand there and wait for him to hit them, which makes the whole fight scene incredibly unrealistic. This is the rooftop fight with him and Catwoman. Forward to 0:45 to see what I mean:
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 19:48:39 GMT
That is unfortunate. I just watched The Dark Knight on TV a few Sundays ago and I didn't have any difficulty telling what was happening. The MCU fight choreography is a cut above but the characters within the movies are usually trained fighters. Batman's fighting style in the movies tell me he's not a great fighter, so I think he clubs and swings with the weight of his whole arm bearing down and expecting the suit material to deliver extra impact. He wouldn't fight like that if he weren't in costume...I hope.
I would say the MCU did a lot for fight choreography; it probably upped the stakes and changed the game. But what I think the MCU and the TDK trilogy have in common is their fighting makes sense according to their universes. Everybody Batman fights is an ordinary person, physically speaking. Except Bane and maybe Ra's Al Ghul. Even at his peak he'd never last against Bucky. But in The Dark Knight specifically, everybody Batman fist-fights is untrained; low-level street hoods, ex Asylum patrons, the Joker. People without fighting skills. Take away the suit and Batman fights like just a guy, which to me makes sense because that's what he is. It doesn't take away from the MCU that its universe seems to have less glass jaws per capita. The MCU is wrought with characters throughout the universe that have at a rudimentary relationship with martial arts and I'm a more satisfied viewer for it.
Did you always think the fight scenes in The Dark Knight trilogy were bad or is that a recent thing?
I've felt this way since the first time I watched Batman Begins. For such great movies, expensive-looking movies, they sure had some cheap looking fight scenes. And it's not because Batman is simply fighting goons and untrained fighters. Even a real-world, average thug would probably move better than Batman in these movies. Batman in these fights always moves slow and robotic. Telegraphing his moves a mile away and being very stiff with his movements. See the Batman vs. Bane fight for a good example of this. I blame his suit, he probably can't move well in it. Still, what happens is that his opponents just stand there and wait for him to hit them, which makes the whole fight scene incredibly unrealistic. This is the rooftop fight with him and Catwoman. Forward to 0:45 to see what I mean: I missed the first clip from the post before. Hah, the fighter on the left. Did he slip on ice? For a second he looks dumbfounded, then you can see a shot of his feet not on the ground. Slightly baffling. I hope it's a blooper. That's so funny though.
I'm not going to pretend I didn't have an ulterior motive for asking if this was a recent revelation or old. I appreciate your answer, so in the interest of full disclosure, the reason I asked is when you said The Dark Knight trilogy fights are awful by reputation according to modern comic book films, my first thought was that yes, the fighting has been outdone, but the movie itself hasn't changed. It's the perpetual problem that I have with overrated and underrated as criticisms. The fighting in The Dark Knight movies is as it's always been, and nothing's changed except the world around it. I'm practically in love with the MCU martial arts and hard-hitting fighting, but it didn't occur to me to look at The Dark Knight in that particular new light. I would say it's been outdone, but I didn't think it was inadequate before and even the superior hand to hand combat in the MCU doesn't inspire me to retroactively downgrade The Dark Knight.
I feel a little damned if I do and damned if I don't, which is nobody's concern but mine. But on the first page, I agreed that I thought The Dark Knight car chase was better than that of Black Panther and I still got called to task for even the tiniest bit of credit I gave to Black Panther. The MCU works so delightfully for me because it's the sum of a large number of really strong parts. The Black Panther car chase, for me, is probably as good as any of them without being, in my opinion, better than The Dark Knight car chase. It's the little things, the identifiable stamps of a director that excite me as much as the rest of the story. Believe it or not, my favorite moment of The Dark Knight chase is the second and a half of silence in between the truck flipping over and landing on its back. That to me is a directorial decision and calculated use of silence for tension. I don't know how much of the chase in Black Panther had to be filled in, or shot somewhere other than the streets (Shuri's role in it) but I can't tell what parts of it were real. I'm not against CGI, but I will say that if the jackknifing truck and anything else in The Dark Knight was CGI too, I missed it. So in that sense, I never felt interrupted by my own brain.
I will say also that it's been a strange trend forever for henchmen to seem to wait their turn to fight, even in a many people vs one situation. That's fairly normal, not that normal necessarily equals good. I know Christopher Nolan specifically said he doesn't like it when a single gunshot near the gas tank blows up a car because it's unrealistic. I appreciate that, but I guess you cant win em all.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jan 24, 2019 19:55:45 GMT
Fight choreography is not a recent invention. You can't say TDK trilogy was in the early days of fight scenes and it has evolved since then. There was plenty of great fight choreography in movies long before TDK movies. The fight scenes in those movies were just very poorly executed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 20:26:20 GMT
Fight choreography is not a recent invention. You can't say TDK trilogy was in the early days of fight scenes and it has evolved since then. There was plenty of great fight choreography in movies long before TDK movies. The fight scenes in those movies were just very poorly executed. That's not for me, is it? I can't even fathom who needs to be told fight choreography stretches back further than 2005-ish.
If not, then I apologize, but if so, then that's just crazy talk.
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