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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Jan 26, 2019 16:24:57 GMT
It would be like 2 students applying to Harvard. The 1st student has much better grades, much better test scores, much better recommendations, and a long list of achievements (e.g. class President, captain of the school's Academic Decathlon Team, etc.). The 2nd student has none of those qualifications, but the 2nd student is black so the 2nd student gets admitted because of "diversity". Of course, in your example, BP would be the 1st student. It has much better grades (critical reviews), much better test scores (RT greatest superhero movie of all time), much better recomendations (reflected in the monster box office), and a long list of achievements (prestigeous film award nominations up the yin yang). You denying the qualifications of the 1st student, simply because he is black, makes you an Always Wrong racist. Hey man you better knock that off and shut your mouth. You’re going to start a revolution around here with that kind of logic. Logic is banned around these parts padre.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 26, 2019 17:25:52 GMT
It would be like 2 students applying to Harvard. The 1st student has much better grades, much better test scores, much better recommendations, and a long list of achievements (e.g. class President, captain of the school's Academic Decathlon Team, etc.). The 2nd student has none of those qualifications, but the 2nd student is black so the 2nd student gets admitted because of "diversity". Of course, in your example, BP would be the 1st student. No, Black Panther would be the 2nd student, who was always given preferential treatment simply because of racism.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 19:09:06 GMT
the car chase was to show how tdk had a superior film making from sound editing, visual effects to cinematography. No. No. No. This is one of the scenes that ruins the movie for me because EVERYONE insists Nolan was going for realistic. Sorry As a chick who had a skirt get stuck in doors, etc, no. Forget I had hair past my waist & same issue. Stuff goes everywhere. That damned cape billowing out would get stuck in the tires of that cycle. It looks cool, but its not realistic so because fanboys tell me it's so real, it's become one of the things on my list of TDK problems. Like not scrubbing the makeup off for rhe mug shot. Like after using the excuse they left the makeup on was they didn't want him to get out on any sort of mistake the police made, Gordon allows a vigilante he doesn't know the identity of to interrogate the suspect? I've never even heard of that. I've never heard anything about scraping off Joker's makeup for the mugshot. I don't even know what's worse: a fanboy defending Joker wearing makeup past his arrest, or their fanboy equivalent on the other side who went after Joker still wearing makeup in the first place. And the cape while riding the motorcycle. I knew a girl whose scarf got caught in her bike wheel and she fell over and cracked her head open. You know how much difference it made to the movie? Not a drop. Instead of having Gordon let Batman interrogate Joker, what they could have done is not make the movie at all. No movie that's ever been made actually has to exist.
Holy shit, is it even possible to like a movie without being a fanboy? Especially in this genre, where realistic isn't exactly at a premium? I just watched The Dark Knight on TV a few Sundays ago and I don't even remember Joker doing a mugshot. If realistic realism really played in a role, Batman would be brought in by authorities immediately. Batman would be over before Batman Begins. It's the same shit from the people who never rest with the MCU fanboy garbage. The way they talk about MCU fans, you'd think MCU fans have never seen a movie outside of the MCU. Do some of you actually enjoy these movies at all? Or is it retaliatory where someone ruins a movie for you so it's a vendetta to ruin one back? Because I don't believe for a minute this fanboy shit is one-way. Whether you defend a movie at all costs or criticize a movie at all costs, it's the same DNA.
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Post by damngumby on Jan 26, 2019 19:21:31 GMT
Of course, in your example, BP would be the 1st student. No, Black Panther would be the 2nd student, who was always given preferential treatment simply because of racism. Which, of course, makes zero sense. The first student (and BP) has all the achievements that Harvard would be looking for. Good luck arguing that the first student didn't deserve any of his acolades because he was black ... without you looking like a raging butt-hurt racist.
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Post by summers8 on Jan 26, 2019 20:19:19 GMT
The Black Panther chase scene was good but it wasn't nearly as good as the one in The Dark Knight. As for the fight scenes, the final CGI battle scene was...alright but then I would definitely say the Black Panther vs M'Baku and Killmonger fights during the ritual were much better than the fight scenes in The Dark Knight movies. nahhhh this takes it. it counts as a fight scene
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 26, 2019 20:27:56 GMT
Of course, in your example, BP would be the 1st student. No, Black Panther would be the 2nd student, who was always given preferential treatment simply because of racism. Except BP legitimately has merrit in a whole bunch of measurable criteria.
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Post by summers8 on Jan 26, 2019 20:31:56 GMT
No, Black Panther would be the 2nd student, who was always given preferential treatment simply because of racism. Except BP legitimately has merrit in a whole bunch of measurable criteria. the cast is black is not merit. the measurable criteria is found a lot better in other films.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 26, 2019 20:44:58 GMT
No, Black Panther would be the 2nd student, who was always given preferential treatment simply because of racism. Which, of course, makes zero sense. The first student (and BP) has all the achievements that Harvard would be looking for. It makes perfect sense. The 1st student was given good grades in high school because of racism. Then he was admitted to Harvard because of Affirmative Action. So at each step, he was always given preferential treatment because of racism. That's what happened with Black Panther. The critics were afraid to give it bad ratings because they were afraid to be called racists. Then the Academy was afraid to not nominate it because the Academy was afraid to be called racist. S at each step, BO has been given preferential treatment because of racism.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 26, 2019 20:46:36 GMT
No, Black Panther would be the 2nd student, who was always given preferential treatment simply because of racism. Except BP legitimately has merrit in a whole bunch of measurable criteria. No, none of BP's ratings or awards have any merit because they were all given due to critics and voters being afraid to be called racist.
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Post by damngumby on Jan 26, 2019 21:39:39 GMT
Which, of course, makes zero sense. The first student (and BP) has all the achievements that Harvard would be looking for. It makes perfect sense. The 1st student was given good grades in high school because of racism. Then he was admitted to Harvard because of Affirmative Action. So at each step, he was always given preferential treatment because of racism. That's what happened with Black Panther. The critics were afraid to give it bad ratings because they were afraid to be called racists. Then the Academy was afraid to not nominate it because the Academy was afraid to be called racist. S at each step, BO has been given preferential treatment because of racism. Poor DC-Fan can't figure out if BP is analogous to the first or second student.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Jan 26, 2019 21:42:47 GMT
Which, of course, makes zero sense. The first student (and BP) has all the achievements that Harvard would be looking for. It makes perfect sense. The 1st student was given good grades in high school because of racism. Then he was admitted to Harvard because of Affirmative Action. So at each step, he was always given preferential treatment because of racism. That's what happened with Black Panther. The critics were afraid to give it bad ratings because they were afraid to be called racists. Then the Academy was afraid to not nominate it because the Academy was afraid to be called racist. S at each step, BO has been given preferential treatment because of racism. Hmm, then explain Steel and Catwoman, those 2 had black leads in them, and were critically panned. Not even the Blade movies received praise. And critics just love the Tyler Perry's Madea movies because of their all black cast, don't they? Oh wait, they don't. Why don't you and other haters suck it up? Black Panther was awarded Best Picture because the Academy thought it was one of the best 8 films of 2018.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Jan 26, 2019 21:44:01 GMT
Except BP legitimately has merrit in a whole bunch of measurable criteria. the cast is black is not merit. the measurable criteria is found a lot better in other films. So black films are not based awarded by merit? Green Book? Blackkklansman? Get Out last year?
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 26, 2019 21:47:49 GMT
It makes perfect sense. The 1st student was given good grades in high school because of racism. Then he was admitted to Harvard because of Affirmative Action. So at each step, he was always given preferential treatment because of racism. That's what happened with Black Panther. The critics were afraid to give it bad ratings because they were afraid to be called racists. Then the Academy was afraid to not nominate it because the Academy was afraid to be called racist. S at each step, BO has been given preferential treatment because of racism. Hmm, then explain Steel and Catwoman, those 2 had black leads in them, and were critically panned. Not even the Blade movies received praise. Those were before the SJWs. Black Panther was awarded Best Picture because the Academy thought it was one of the best 8 films of 2018. No, Black Panther was nominated simply because the Academy is afraid of being called racist. Being perceived as racist is career-suicide. Donald Sterling was forced out as owner of the LA Clippers for making racist comments. Rosanne Barr was fired for making racist comments. Megyn Kelly was fired for what someone perceived to be racist comments. The Academy was afraid of being called racist because even the perception of being a racist is career-suicide. So the Acadmey nominated Black Panther so they wouldn't be called racist.
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Post by Nalkarj on Jan 26, 2019 22:16:23 GMT
Far be it from me to start agreeing with DC-Fan (the one and only!) about, well, much of anything (I suppose we both liked WW and BvS), but I just went hunting for some negative reviews of Black Panther to say, “Well, what about these people?”—and, wouldn’t you know it, I can’t find any negative reviews except from the Irish Independent and Armond White. White’s contrarianism is de rigueur nowadays (for which I admire him), and the Independent’s review, with which I largely agree, is somewhat irrelevant in the scheme of things.
I find that absolutely extraordinary. I didn’t like the movie, but it’s fine that most people (and the Academy) disagree with me. What I can’t fathom is that, other than the two above, there are no negative reviews of this movie. How is that possible? Nearly every critical darling has a few dissenters. Is the serious contention that this is just the greatest movie ever made and that no one can possibly disagree with that? That’s absurd, of course.
I can’t speak for what’s going on in critics’ minds, of course, but how could every critic have unreservedly loved it? (Especially because it’s so similar to the Star Wars prequels, which many critics despised.) Perhaps there are reviews I’m just not seeing? Because, in that absence, I’d have to say that politics are playing a large role in this. (No reflection on the Oscar nomination, which is the Academy’s prerogative for any reason, including politics, should [sadly] they deem that important. I don’t care one whit about the Oscars anyway.)
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Post by scabab on Jan 26, 2019 23:22:29 GMT
it counts as a fight scene Ehhh no it doesn't, there's no fighting in it...
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 26, 2019 23:59:26 GMT
Except BP legitimately has merrit in a whole bunch of measurable criteria. the cast is black is not merit. the measurable criteria is found a lot better in other films. What measurable criteria is this? Care to give examples? Because as per critic reviews and box office money, this movie is pretty hard to beat. Heck, it even has a best picture nomination now. I mean, it's nowhere near my top cbms but as far as measurable criteria is concerned, you'd be hard put to find better cbms.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jan 27, 2019 1:18:27 GMT
The Black Panther chase scene was good but it wasn't nearly as good as the one in The Dark Knight. As for the fight scenes, the final CGI battle scene was...alright but then I would definitely say the Black Panther vs M'Baku and Killmonger fights during the ritual were much better than the fight scenes in The Dark Knight movies. nahhhh this takes it. it counts as a fight scene Boy the denial and DC fanboyism is strong with you. As good as the TDK trilogy was, almost everyone, even it's strongest fans agree the fighting was one of the biggest disappointment and don't even come close to the waterfall fights in Black Panther.
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Post by summers8 on Jan 27, 2019 7:50:57 GMT
dd,, ma the cast is black is not merit. the measurable criteria is found a lot better in other films. What measurable criteria is this? Care to give examples? Because as per critic reviews and box office money, this movie is pretty hard to beat. Heck, it even has a best picture nomination now. I mean, it's nowhere near my top cbms but as far as measurable criteria is concerned, you'd be hard put to find better cbms. 1. the reviews is inflated. remove the black cast, remove the mcu disney machine. the reviews will be average at best. If the movie was made by sony it will have the same review as spiderman 3 at best
2. box office is not a critera for best picture. 90% of the best picture winner dont have their movie gross about 100m domestic alone
3. it is no were yout top cbms , that is what most comic fans thinks. top films are what should be oscar worthy
4. better comics films, TDK, LOGAN, Spiderman 2, DOFP, X2 and mcu own best TWS.
mcu fans still cant accept the movie was only nominated becaue the cast is black and disney influenced the oscars. well, that is what happens when you get things not on merit
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Post by summers8 on Jan 27, 2019 7:56:03 GMT
Which, of course, makes zero sense. The first student (and BP) has all the achievements that Harvard would be looking for. It makes perfect sense. The 1st student was given good grades in high school because of racism. Then he was admitted to Harvard because of Affirmative Action. So at each step, he was always given preferential treatment because of racism. That's what happened with Black Panther. The critics were afraid to give it bad ratings because they were afraid to be called racists. Then the Academy was afraid to not nominate it because the Academy was afraid to be called racist. S at each step, BO has been given preferential treatment because of racism. its called affirmative action and many black people although they understand why it was created, they never wanted to be a victim of it because it fuffil the stereotypes they are not good enough.
black panther is the biggest victim of affirmative action.
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 27, 2019 8:32:20 GMT
dd,, ma What measurable criteria is this? Care to give examples? Because as per critic reviews and box office money, this movie is pretty hard to beat. Heck, it even has a best picture nomination now. I mean, it's nowhere near my top cbms but as far as measurable criteria is concerned, you'd be hard put to find better cbms. 1. the reviews is inflated. remove the black cast, remove the mcu disney machine. the reviews will be average at best. If the movie was made by sony it will have the same review as spiderman 3 at best
2. box office is not a critera for best picture. 90% of the best picture winner dont have their movie gross about 100m domestic alone
3. it is no were yout top cbms , that is what most comic fans thinks. top films are what should be oscar worthy
4. better comics films, TDK, LOGAN, Spiderman 2, DOFP, X2 and mcu own best TWS.
mcu fans still cant accept the movie was only nominated becaue the cast is black and disney influenced the oscars. well, that is what happens when you get things not on merit Do you have comprehension problems? I asked for examples of cbms that clearly beat BP in measurable criteria. Nowhere in your answer did you even come close to addressing what I said. All you posted were excuses.
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