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Post by summers8 on Jan 27, 2019 9:49:51 GMT
it counts as a fight scene Ehhh no it doesn't, there's no fighting in it... action scene. yes it does.
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Post by Power Ranger on Jan 27, 2019 11:02:31 GMT
The one with the bad cgi.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jan 27, 2019 16:36:32 GMT
Ehhh no it doesn't, there's no fighting in it... action scene. yes it does. Are you really that dense? Where was the fighting? Clearly you also think the fighting is bad, otherwise you would have actually posted a fight scene from one of the movies and not try to pass off some random action scene as a fight. You're desperate as usual, because you know you lost this debate.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 27, 2019 16:58:57 GMT
dd,, ma What measurable criteria is this? Care to give examples? Because as per critic reviews and box office money, this movie is pretty hard to beat. Heck, it even has a best picture nomination now. I mean, it's nowhere near my top cbms but as far as measurable criteria is concerned, you'd be hard put to find better cbms. 1. the reviews is inflated. remove the black cast, remove the mcu disney machine. the reviews will be average at best. If the movie was made by sony it will have the same review as spiderman 3 at best
2. box office is not a critera for best picture. 90% of the best picture winner dont have their movie gross about 100m domestic alone
3. it is no were yout top cbms , that is what most comic fans thinks. top films are what should be oscar worthy
4. better comics films, TDK, LOGAN, Spiderman 2, DOFP, X2 and mcu own best TWS.
mcu fans still cant accept the movie was only nominated becaue the cast is black and disney influenced the oscars. well, that is what happens when you get things not on merit skaathar just got owned!
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 27, 2019 17:47:22 GMT
dd,, ma 1. the reviews is inflated. remove the black cast, remove the mcu disney machine. the reviews will be average at best. If the movie was made by sony it will have the same review as spiderman 3 at best
2. box office is not a critera for best picture. 90% of the best picture winner dont have their movie gross about 100m domestic alone
3. it is no were yout top cbms , that is what most comic fans thinks. top films are what should be oscar worthy
4. better comics films, TDK, LOGAN, Spiderman 2, DOFP, X2 and mcu own best TWS.
mcu fans still cant accept the movie was only nominated becaue the cast is black and disney influenced the oscars. well, that is what happens when you get things not on merit skaathar just got owned! Meh, you need to learn what "got owned" actually means. Hint: Dodging a question by throwing out red herrings is not "owning".
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jan 27, 2019 17:58:14 GMT
Meh, you need to learn what "got owned" actually means. Hint: Dodging a question by throwing out red herrings is not "owning".
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Post by merh on Jan 27, 2019 18:34:18 GMT
No. No. No. This is one of the scenes that ruins the movie for me because EVERYONE insists Nolan was going for realistic. Sorry As a chick who had a skirt get stuck in doors, etc, no. Forget I had hair past my waist & same issue. Stuff goes everywhere. That damned cape billowing out would get stuck in the tires of that cycle. It looks cool, but its not realistic so because fanboys tell me it's so real, it's become one of the things on my list of TDK problems. Like not scrubbing the makeup off for rhe mug shot. Like after using the excuse they left the makeup on was they didn't want him to get out on any sort of mistake the police made, Gordon allows a vigilante he doesn't know the identity of to interrogate the suspect? I've never even heard of that. I've never heard anything about scraping off Joker's makeup for the mugshot. I don't even know what's worse: a fanboy defending Joker wearing makeup past his arrest, or their fanboy equivalent on the other side who went after Joker still wearing makeup in the first place. And the cape while riding the motorcycle. I knew a girl whose scarf got caught in her bike wheel and she fell over and cracked her head open. You know how much difference it made to the movie? Not a drop. Instead of having Gordon let Batman interrogate Joker, what they could have done is not make the movie at all. No movie that's ever been made actually has to exist.
Holy shit, is it even possible to like a movie without being a fanboy? Especially in this genre, where realistic isn't exactly at a premium? I just watched The Dark Knight on TV a few Sundays ago and I don't even remember Joker doing a mugshot. If realistic realism really played in a role, Batman would be brought in by authorities immediately. Batman would be over before Batman Begins. It's the same shit from the people who never rest with the MCU fanboy garbage. The way they talk about MCU fans, you'd think MCU fans have never seen a movie outside of the MCU. Do some of you actually enjoy these movies at all? Or is it retaliatory where someone ruins a movie for you so it's a vendetta to ruin one back? Because I don't believe for a minute this fanboy shit is one-way. Whether you defend a movie at all costs or criticize a movie at all costs, it's the same DNA.
I didn't really care up or down when my kid used up all my cheap regal tickets seing the movie 6 or 8 times with her friend. It was ok when she dragged me to it, but nowhere near as good as Burton's for me. Then the fan community comments hit. TDK is SOOOO superior to Burton's Batman or any other superhero film because it puts Bats in the real world. No. Superheroes are not real. They exist in their fantasy world where characters can fall out of however tall it was window land in a bin of cat litter & become a supervillain. Every other superhero film was less because TDK was SO REAL. No TDK became a decent superhero film like Swamp Thing to something that was full of crap that pissed me off for the fanboys insisting its realism was so superior, it was the greatest film ever made. I was speaking with a fellow comicbook guy about it & when I said I wasn't big on TDK, he was shocked. Why? Because the film is so realistic! So I asked him if it os so realistic, why the big speech from Gordon about not washing the makeup off when he is arrested? The officer said I was right. When people are booked any makeup that hides their identity is removed. The only explanation seems to be Nolan wanted Bats to interrogate Joker looking like Joker. After cops let an unknown vigilante in to see a media case (as my department calls them) case. They can't have it both ways For my money Nolan totally fucked up the DC movies Man of Steel should have been a better film. All the comic book guy officers I work with agree the film should have been better. It wasn't Superman. It should have been a brighter film & I don't mean colors. Bleak is Batman He is a man who saw his parents slaughtered before his eyes. That ripping of the safety net shaped him, made him suspicious of everything & everyone Superman is a protector. He is not damaged by anything (assuming no kryptonite ever popped up in Smallville when he was a boy). He is the one smiles & says "do not fear. I will save you" like when your cat's claw is stuck on the scratcher so you lift kitty up to free him. Otherwise my arguments are the ones I have with Nolan films. They all seem to move goal posts. They do things they shouldnt to get to the desired outcome. Like TDKR when almost every cop in the city gets sealed underground. Why would one send every cop? What about next shift? I would say it shows his disdain for the source material (comic books), except the man does the same for every one of his films. He sets the film up, then tweaks it to get the finale he wants. It isn't a natural flow to the end
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2019 20:36:53 GMT
I've never even heard of that. I've never heard anything about scraping off Joker's makeup for the mugshot. I don't even know what's worse: a fanboy defending Joker wearing makeup past his arrest, or their fanboy equivalent on the other side who went after Joker still wearing makeup in the first place. And the cape while riding the motorcycle. I knew a girl whose scarf got caught in her bike wheel and she fell over and cracked her head open. You know how much difference it made to the movie? Not a drop. Instead of having Gordon let Batman interrogate Joker, what they could have done is not make the movie at all. No movie that's ever been made actually has to exist.
Holy shit, is it even possible to like a movie without being a fanboy? Especially in this genre, where realistic isn't exactly at a premium? I just watched The Dark Knight on TV a few Sundays ago and I don't even remember Joker doing a mugshot. If realistic realism really played in a role, Batman would be brought in by authorities immediately. Batman would be over before Batman Begins. It's the same shit from the people who never rest with the MCU fanboy garbage. The way they talk about MCU fans, you'd think MCU fans have never seen a movie outside of the MCU. Do some of you actually enjoy these movies at all? Or is it retaliatory where someone ruins a movie for you so it's a vendetta to ruin one back? Because I don't believe for a minute this fanboy shit is one-way. Whether you defend a movie at all costs or criticize a movie at all costs, it's the same DNA.
I didn't really care up or down when my kid used up all my cheap regal tickets seing the movie 6 or 8 times with her friend. It was ok when she dragged me to it, but nowhere near as good as Burton's for me. Then the fan community comments hit. TDK is SOOOO superior to Burton's Batman or any other superhero film because it puts Bats in the real world. No. Superheroes are not real. They exist in their fantasy world where characters can fall out of however tall it was window land in a bin of cat litter & become a supervillain. Every other superhero film was less because TDK was SO REAL. No TDK became a decent superhero film like Swamp Thing to something that was full of crap that pissed me off for the fanboys insisting its realism was so superior, it was the greatest film ever made. I was speaking with a fellow comicbook guy about it & when I said I wasn't big on TDK, he was shocked. Why? Because the film is so realistic! So I asked him if it os so realistic, why the big speech from Gordon about not washing the makeup off when he is arrested? The officer said I was right. When people are booked any makeup that hides their identity is removed. The only explanation seems to be Nolan wanted Bats to interrogate Joker looking like Joker. After cops let an unknown vigilante in to see a media case (as my department calls them) case. They can't have it both ways For my money Nolan totally fucked up the DC movies Man of Steel should have been a better film. All the comic book guy officers I work with agree the film should have been better. It wasn't Superman. It should have been a brighter film & I don't mean colors. Bleak is Batman He is a man who saw his parents slaughtered before his eyes. That ripping of the safety net shaped him, made him suspicious of everything & everyone Superman is a protector. He is not damaged by anything (assuming no kryptonite ever popped up in Smallville when he was a boy). He is the one smiles & says "do not fear. I will save you" like when your cat's claw is stuck on the scratcher so you lift kitty up to free him. Otherwise my arguments are the ones I have with Nolan films. They all seem to move goal posts. They do things they shouldnt to get to the desired outcome. Like TDKR when almost every cop in the city gets sealed underground. Why would one send every cop? What about next shift? I would say it shows his disdain for the source material (comic books), except the man does the same for every one of his films. He sets the film up, then tweaks it to get the finale he wants. It isn't a natural flow to the end
It's never really a surprise to me when people aren't into these movies. I don't expect most people to be, even if I sometimes think being a comic book character carries its own prejudice with older movie-goers. I get my dad to watch them because I'm certain he enjoys them, and he usually does, but it's never far from his mind that they used to be minute-long cartoons theaters played before the movie started in the 40's.
Batman isn't even in the real world, so "realistic" only goes as far as somebody willing to throw it back at them. The Tim Burton movies were, in my opinion, more immersive because Gotham City looked like Gotham City. In The Dark Knight, Gotham City looks like Chicago. But the idea that realistic is the movie's biggest attraction ignores the fact that it's still Batman.
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Post by scabab on Jan 27, 2019 21:04:15 GMT
action scene. yes it does. I didn't say action scene, I said fight scene.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 27, 2019 23:06:35 GMT
Meh, you need to learn what "got owned" actually means. Hint: Dodging a question by throwing out red herrings is not "owning". Maybe you were just leased with an option to buy. Hee hee hee...
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jan 28, 2019 16:07:26 GMT
I've never even heard of that. I've never heard anything about scraping off Joker's makeup for the mugshot. I don't even know what's worse: a fanboy defending Joker wearing makeup past his arrest, or their fanboy equivalent on the other side who went after Joker still wearing makeup in the first place. And the cape while riding the motorcycle. I knew a girl whose scarf got caught in her bike wheel and she fell over and cracked her head open. You know how much difference it made to the movie? Not a drop. Instead of having Gordon let Batman interrogate Joker, what they could have done is not make the movie at all. No movie that's ever been made actually has to exist.
Holy shit, is it even possible to like a movie without being a fanboy? Especially in this genre, where realistic isn't exactly at a premium? I just watched The Dark Knight on TV a few Sundays ago and I don't even remember Joker doing a mugshot. If realistic realism really played in a role, Batman would be brought in by authorities immediately. Batman would be over before Batman Begins. It's the same shit from the people who never rest with the MCU fanboy garbage. The way they talk about MCU fans, you'd think MCU fans have never seen a movie outside of the MCU. Do some of you actually enjoy these movies at all? Or is it retaliatory where someone ruins a movie for you so it's a vendetta to ruin one back? Because I don't believe for a minute this fanboy shit is one-way. Whether you defend a movie at all costs or criticize a movie at all costs, it's the same DNA.
I didn't really care up or down when my kid used up all my cheap regal tickets seing the movie 6 or 8 times with her friend. It was ok when she dragged me to it, but nowhere near as good as Burton's for me. Then the fan community comments hit. TDK is SOOOO superior to Burton's Batman or any other superhero film because it puts Bats in the real world. No. Superheroes are not real. They exist in their fantasy world where characters can fall out of however tall it was window land in a bin of cat litter & become a supervillain. Every other superhero film was less because TDK was SO REAL. No TDK became a decent superhero film like Swamp Thing to something that was full of crap that pissed me off for the fanboys insisting its realism was so superior, it was the greatest film ever made. I was speaking with a fellow comicbook guy about it & when I said I wasn't big on TDK, he was shocked. Why? Because the film is so realistic! So I asked him if it os so realistic, why the big speech from Gordon about not washing the makeup off when he is arrested? The officer said I was right. When people are booked any makeup that hides their identity is removed. The only explanation seems to be Nolan wanted Bats to interrogate Joker looking like Joker. After cops let an unknown vigilante in to see a media case (as my department calls them) case. They can't have it both ways For my money Nolan totally fucked up the DC movies Man of Steel should have been a better film. All the comic book guy officers I work with agree the film should have been better. It wasn't Superman. It should have been a brighter film & I don't mean colors. Bleak is Batman He is a man who saw his parents slaughtered before his eyes. That ripping of the safety net shaped him, made him suspicious of everything & everyone Superman is a protector. He is not damaged by anything (assuming no kryptonite ever popped up in Smallville when he was a boy). He is the one smiles & says "do not fear. I will save you" like when your cat's claw is stuck on the scratcher so you lift kitty up to free him. Otherwise my arguments are the ones I have with Nolan films. They all seem to move goal posts. They do things they shouldnt to get to the desired outcome. Like TDKR when almost every cop in the city gets sealed underground. Why would one send every cop? What about next shift? I would say it shows his disdain for the source material (comic books), except the man does the same for every one of his films. He sets the film up, then tweaks it to get the finale he wants. It isn't a natural flow to the end . My thoughts exactly. No wonder you're a revered member.
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Post by kleinreturns on Jan 29, 2019 18:56:19 GMT
Are these posts really necessary? You're really coming apart at the seams over this whole Oscar thing aren't you? Give it a rest. It's done. hm...you dont seem to like Film Artistry.
is this a colored film or a black and white film? do you know since black panther looks like a cartoon
Says the mentally ill rabid Fox-Men, who puts a clip of a cartoonish escape by Magneto who putted out several bits of metal (that in real life a man with that much metal injected into them would be dead) to create a metal Pizza plate to slowly glide on out like it's so cool (not). X2 and the Fox-Men kiddie movies were and still are a joke.
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Post by summers8 on Jan 30, 2019 9:08:43 GMT
The one with the bad cgi. well said. its about the truth not fan boy nonsense talk.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 30, 2019 14:38:30 GMT
hm...you dont seem to like Film Artistry.
is this a colored film or a black and white film? do you know since black panther looks like a cartoon
Says the mentally ill rabid Fox-Men, who puts a clip of a cartoonish escape by Magneto who putted out several bits of metal (that in real life a man with that much metal injected into them would be dead) to create a metal Pizza plate to slowly glide on out like it's so cool (not). X2 and the Fox-Men kiddie movies were and still are a joke. Check out the way dude folded his arms on the way out just like they taught him in self-serving villain school. I guess you never know if someone might be photographing your escape.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 30, 2019 14:45:55 GMT
The one with the bad cgi. well said. its about the truth not fan boy nonsense talk. It’s actually about reality. The film got seven academy award nominations. We can’t take them back. That happened. How many has the XMU received in over 20 years?
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Post by merh on Feb 2, 2019 11:33:07 GMT
I didn't really care up or down when my kid used up all my cheap regal tickets seing the movie 6 or 8 times with her friend. It was ok when she dragged me to it, but nowhere near as good as Burton's for me. Then the fan community comments hit. TDK is SOOOO superior to Burton's Batman or any other superhero film because it puts Bats in the real world. No. Superheroes are not real. They exist in their fantasy world where characters can fall out of however tall it was window land in a bin of cat litter & become a supervillain. Every other superhero film was less because TDK was SO REAL. No TDK became a decent superhero film like Swamp Thing to something that was full of crap that pissed me off for the fanboys insisting its realism was so superior, it was the greatest film ever made. I was speaking with a fellow comicbook guy about it & when I said I wasn't big on TDK, he was shocked. Why? Because the film is so realistic! So I asked him if it os so realistic, why the big speech from Gordon about not washing the makeup off when he is arrested? The officer said I was right. When people are booked any makeup that hides their identity is removed. The only explanation seems to be Nolan wanted Bats to interrogate Joker looking like Joker. After cops let an unknown vigilante in to see a media case (as my department calls them) case. They can't have it both ways For my money Nolan totally fucked up the DC movies Man of Steel should have been a better film. All the comic book guy officers I work with agree the film should have been better. It wasn't Superman. It should have been a brighter film & I don't mean colors. Bleak is Batman He is a man who saw his parents slaughtered before his eyes. That ripping of the safety net shaped him, made him suspicious of everything & everyone Superman is a protector. He is not damaged by anything (assuming no kryptonite ever popped up in Smallville when he was a boy). He is the one smiles & says "do not fear. I will save you" like when your cat's claw is stuck on the scratcher so you lift kitty up to free him. Otherwise my arguments are the ones I have with Nolan films. They all seem to move goal posts. They do things they shouldnt to get to the desired outcome. Like TDKR when almost every cop in the city gets sealed underground. Why would one send every cop? What about next shift? I would say it shows his disdain for the source material (comic books), except the man does the same for every one of his films. He sets the film up, then tweaks it to get the finale he wants. It isn't a natural flow to the end It's never really a surprise to me when people aren't into these movies. I don't expect most people to be, even if I sometimes think being a comic book character carries its own prejudice with older movie-goers. I get my dad to watch them because I'm certain he enjoys them, and he usually does, but it's never far from his mind that they used to be minute-long cartoons theaters played before the movie started in the 40's. When I was a child we had Batman on tv twice a week. I'm cool with superheroes. My issue with TDK is it tries to divorce itself from comic books. Walking Tall with a bat costume. Real world this guy could fight crime in your town. Batman is fantasy. That is the world these characters occupy. Ledger is amazing, but the idea in the 21st century someone doesnt exist? There is no record of this guy anywhere? He's J.D. from Heathers. I can buy Dent crossing over. He works on a fanatic level, but I dont buy Joker being able to get to him at the hospital. The hospital would keep that sort of damage sedated. The FBI might move in to protect him, removing the corrupt Gotham cops. It feels like its trying to make A Big Statement. I hate that. But Batman lacks the mystique. He is freaking the criminals out. Bale's Bats isn't freaky. He is like all wonderful toys. Burton had a vision. Nolan is like the kid who takes rhe watch apart to see what makes it tick, but can't get it working when he puts it back together
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2019 19:23:22 GMT
It's never really a surprise to me when people aren't into these movies. I don't expect most people to be, even if I sometimes think being a comic book character carries its own prejudice with older movie-goers. I get my dad to watch them because I'm certain he enjoys them, and he usually does, but it's never far from his mind that they used to be minute-long cartoons theaters played before the movie started in the 40's. When I was a child we had Batman on tv twice a week. I'm cool with superheroes. My issue with TDK is it tries to divorce itself from comic books. Walking Tall with a bat costume. Real world this guy could fight crime in your town. Batman is fantasy. That is the world these characters occupy. Ledger is amazing, but the idea in the 21st century someone doesnt exist? There is no record of this guy anywhere? He's J.D. from Heathers. I can buy Dent crossing over. He works on a fanatic level, but I dont buy Joker being able to get to him at the hospital. The hospital would keep that sort of damage sedated. The FBI might move in to protect him, removing the corrupt Gotham cops. It feels like its trying to make A Big Statement. I hate that. But Batman lacks the mystique. He is freaking the criminals out. Bale's Bats isn't freaky. He is like all wonderful toys. Burton had a vision. Nolan is like the kid who takes rhe watch apart to see what makes it tick, but can't get it working when he puts it back together That sounds more to me like Affleck's Batman, lacking mystique and torturing criminals with branding. I straight-up didn't like that at all. I mean The Dark Knight is a long ways away from Adam West's Batman but Ben Affleck branding criminals is the furthest departure from the source material I've ever seen. But more to it, if it wasn't just a departure and was actually true to the character, I didn't like it. I thought it was unbecoming of Batman.
He's not a great person, and he knows it. Batman went almost full Patriot Act in the final act because he has a Fascism streak. He knows what can happen if you hesitate; he also knows there's lines people will cross for no reason other than it's fun, i.e. his parents. Not every decision has to make sense or come from a logical place and Batman knows that. So he cheats. Well, maybe not cheats, but he takes an awful lot of liberties with the police. Even the others in the police force don't like what Gordon lets him get away with. Dent looked the other way while organizing Batman to cross political lines and bring Lao back from Hong Kong. Joker's the only one who gets it; Batman has no jurisdiction.
I've seen The Dark Knight so many times I feel like almost nothing can't be explained. It all make enough sense to me onscreen. It's a decade old by now so it's not exactly fresh off the presses with criticism. I have to go back in time in my mind to figure the sense in some of these criticisms like not wiping off Joker's makeup or letting Batman do the interrogation, which is a big risk that could backfire as easily as it did in the movie. That entire department is compromised. Hell, the movie ends with Dent and everything he wanted being compromised because he lost his shit. The hospital should have had an injury like Dent's sedated? Maybe Joker caught him in between doses. To me that's like DC Fan's do the infinity stones have GPS argument. Where did Joker get the truck? The grenades? The pencil for the pencil trick? Who installed the phone in buddy's chest? It's just a movie. No more entitled to be liked than any other, but it's a done deal.
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Post by merh on Feb 23, 2019 17:10:43 GMT
When I was a child we had Batman on tv twice a week. I'm cool with superheroes. My issue with TDK is it tries to divorce itself from comic books. Walking Tall with a bat costume. Real world this guy could fight crime in your town. Batman is fantasy. That is the world these characters occupy. Ledger is amazing, but the idea in the 21st century someone doesnt exist? There is no record of this guy anywhere? He's J.D. from Heathers. I can buy Dent crossing over. He works on a fanatic level, but I dont buy Joker being able to get to him at the hospital. The hospital would keep that sort of damage sedated. The FBI might move in to protect him, removing the corrupt Gotham cops. It feels like its trying to make A Big Statement. I hate that. But Batman lacks the mystique. He is freaking the criminals out. Bale's Bats isn't freaky. He is like all wonderful toys. Burton had a vision. Nolan is like the kid who takes rhe watch apart to see what makes it tick, but can't get it working when he puts it back together That sounds more to me like Affleck's Batman, lacking mystique and torturing criminals with branding. It's my issue with DCEU vs MCU. Sony as well. MCU has fanboys at the top. I well remember the DC fanboys slamming Marvel for the rate they were going thru name brand directors over "creative differences". I can see the sense in Marvel's decision to make sure the character ends up where they want & not where the director's vision wants to go. WB & Sony are old style studios at their heart. They order up a film from a director they hire to do the job & wait for the profit. If someone pitched a film where the roles of Bats & Joker were switched & it sounded like it would sell, the studios would go for it. This is why a film by someone who was not a real fan of the comics doing as well as it did was the worst possible thing that happened to DC. Its where WB sought to hang it's hat on for future DC films & why so many people had issues with Man of Steel. They tried to make Supes into Bats, real world him, but Kal El ISN'T Batman. Following the success of TDK, WB gave the reins of the most iconic Superhero on the planet to a guy who was successful with another comicbook movie(300), but who also wasn't particularly a comicbook fan. Most of the failings of DCEU go back to that. Snyder wanted that washed out look over bright comicbook colors. He selected Affleck as an older Batman who was also taller than Cavill to play out The Dark Knight rather than Marvel's decision to start their characters at a beginning, allowing their powers & chatacters room to grow. They killed Superman in his second movie. They made the World's Greatest Detective fall for a trick by a lame, paranoid fool to hate on Supes. Because they just wanted another billion dollar movie. Sony ordered Raimi to insert Venom, a character he didn't want to use, into the 3rd Spidey movie, destroying the direction of the franchise. So what? Just start over. That screws up? Start over again. Profit is all that mattered. Because the director's vision so long as it delivers a giant profit is all that mattered to the studio. So you got a guy hung up on Miller's Dark Knight Batman. Batman is a man who lost his parents at a young age. That can change one's outlook. My kid changed after her daddy died when she was 10. It's a loss of security. Wayne can't trust anyone to solve crime so he takes it on himself to bring scum like the one who stole his parents from him. His insecurity extends to his fellow Justice League members in the comics that he has the means to defeat each one on hand in case he needs to take one of them down, in case they become untrustworthy because that is the hardest thing for Bruce to give-trust-because his faith was ripped from him when his parents were stolen from him. This is Tony Stark's insecurity. Tony built Ultron so his friends, his new family, don't need to die doing their very dangerous jobs. [/div][/quote] He's a vigilante He is representing the law by taking it into his own hands to do what the law is too incompetent or corrupt to do. Gotham PD is portayed as corrupt as hell in Nolan's world, something I don't particularly remember in prior versions. It went from a couple bad cops here & there maybe to the whole bloody force was unreliable, hence what happens with Dent & Rachel It is stated Dent refused to be treated or medicated. Which is insanity. Which they would have him declared & treat. That level of pain on top of the loss of his girlfriend? Easily temporary insanity. Thank you, judge. Conservator appointed. Treat Dent's wounds [/div][/quote] Which is where the real world take on Batman screws up. You have to revert to a level of make believe. Which makes it a comic book movie. Joker is totally off the record. No social. No driver's license. No trace of any history, something we are losing in this whole DNA sample world. He has money. His suits are tailored with no tags to trace their origin. He has money. In the comics that sscene of him setting the money on fire wouldnt happen. He would use that money for his schemes as we saw in past appearances of the character. He is not some low-level thug. He has funding to accomplish his plans. And his motivation is to prove everyone is as trash inside as he sees himself. Joker is trying to prove Bats, Dent, the people on the boat are all rotten inside like Joker sees himself. Everyone is the same. Everyone would behave like Joker given his circumstances It was a Batman in an existing career vs one starting out as we see in Marvel or other Batman films. We saw it in the tv series, but that was picking up directly from the comics & was decidedly tongue in cheek. Closest in MCU would be Hank Pym, but the movie goes with version 2 Antman. Thor as well is existing in his powers, but still maturing as a being, his father reminding him of the lessons he knows Thor was taught, but is overlooking in his desire to make his own name as ruler of Asgard.
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Post by SuperDevilDoctor on Feb 25, 2019 11:43:34 GMT
I fucking despise that moment in THE DARK KNIGHT’s chase sequence when the big semi-truck flips over... The steam cannon’s blast is right there in front of God & everybody.
It’s a “so that’s how they did it” moment that pretty much ruins the whole thing. Way to go, Nolan.., You make a big deal out of flipping a real truck — but you don’t bother to digitally airbrush out the plume of steam that made the stunt possible.
As bad as having visible wires holding up a spaceship model in the old days...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2019 6:17:52 GMT
That sounds more to me like Affleck's Batman, lacking mystique and torturing criminals with branding. It's my issue with DCEU vs MCU. Sony as well. MCU has fanboys at the top. I well remember the DC fanboys slamming Marvel for the rate they were going thru name brand directors over "creative differences". I can see the sense in Marvel's decision to make sure the character ends up where they want & not where the director's vision wants to go. WB & Sony are old style studios at their heart. They order up a film from a director they hire to do the job & wait for the profit. If someone pitched a film where the roles of Bats & Joker were switched & it sounded like it would sell, the studios would go for it. This is why a film by someone who was not a real fan of the comics doing as well as it did was the worst possible thing that happened to DC. Its where WB sought to hang it's hat on for future DC films & why so many people had issues with Man of Steel. They tried to make Supes into Bats, real world him, but Kal El ISN'T Batman. Following the success of TDK, WB gave the reins of the most iconic Superhero on the planet to a guy who was successful with another comicbook movie(300), but who also wasn't particularly a comicbook fan. Most of the failings of DCEU go back to that. Snyder wanted that washed out look over bright comicbook colors. He selected Affleck as an older Batman who was also taller than Cavill to play out The Dark Knight rather than Marvel's decision to start their characters at a beginning, allowing their powers & chatacters room to grow. They killed Superman in his second movie. They made the World's Greatest Detective fall for a trick by a lame, paranoid fool to hate on Supes. Because they just wanted another billion dollar movie. Sony ordered Raimi to insert Venom, a character he didn't want to use, into the 3rd Spidey movie, destroying the direction of the franchise. So what? Just start over. That screws up? Start over again. Profit is all that mattered. Because the director's vision so long as it delivers a giant profit is all that mattered to the studio. So you got a guy hung up on Miller's Dark Knight Batman. Batman is a man who lost his parents at a young age. That can change one's outlook. My kid changed after her daddy died when she was 10. It's a loss of security. Wayne can't trust anyone to solve crime so he takes it on himself to bring scum like the one who stole his parents from him. His insecurity extends to his fellow Justice League members in the comics that he has the means to defeat each one on hand in case he needs to take one of them down, in case they become untrustworthy because that is the hardest thing for Bruce to give-trust-because his faith was ripped from him when his parents were stolen from him. This is Tony Stark's insecurity. Tony built Ultron so his friends, his new family, don't need to die doing their very dangerous jobs. [/div][/quote] He's a vigilante He is representing the law by taking it into his own hands to do what the law is too incompetent or corrupt to do. Gotham PD is portayed as corrupt as hell in Nolan's world, something I don't particularly remember in prior versions. It went from a couple bad cops here & there maybe to the whole bloody force was unreliable, hence what happens with Dent & Rachel It is stated Dent refused to be treated or medicated. Which is insanity. Which they would have him declared & treat. That level of pain on top of the loss of his girlfriend? Easily temporary insanity. Thank you, judge. Conservator appointed. Treat Dent's wounds [/div][/quote] Which is where the real world take on Batman screws up. You have to revert to a level of make believe. Which makes it a comic book movie. Joker is totally off the record. No social. No driver's license. No trace of any history, something we are losing in this whole DNA sample world. He has money. His suits are tailored with no tags to trace their origin. He has money. In the comics that sscene of him setting the money on fire wouldnt happen. He would use that money for his schemes as we saw in past appearances of the character. He is not some low-level thug. He has funding to accomplish his plans. And his motivation is to prove everyone is as trash inside as he sees himself. Joker is trying to prove Bats, Dent, the people on the boat are all rotten inside like Joker sees himself. Everyone is the same. Everyone would behave like Joker given his circumstances It was a Batman in an existing career vs one starting out as we see in Marvel or other Batman films. We saw it in the tv series, but that was picking up directly from the comics & was decidedly tongue in cheek. Closest in MCU would be Hank Pym, but the movie goes with version 2 Antman. Thor as well is existing in his powers, but still maturing as a being, his father reminding him of the lessons he knows Thor was taught, but is overlooking in his desire to make his own name as ruler of Asgard. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You have to revert to a level of make believe.My sense of disbelief never left me. It might be why the Joker works for me. No fingerprints, no ID, no trace in the real world is exactly the right amount of sense I need for the Joker. I'm only discovering now that fans praised the movie for realism. I'm a fan and I never got the email. The fact that it's such a important torch to bear just kind of makes me laugh. I just like the finished product. It is stated Dent refused to be treated or medicated. Which is insanity.I forgot Dent refused to be treated. Maybe it is insanity, but it's Batman. It fits like a glove. I've seen it so many times and I didn't remember this in time for the conversation, which to me shows how pressing the issue never was. It was a Batman in an existing career vs one starting out as we see in Marvel or other Batman films. We saw it in the tv series, but that was picking up directly from the comics & was decidedly tongue in cheek.That's not a "we" I belong to. I didn't see anything in a TV series, nothing I can connect to the movie. Heath Ledger's Joker was unlike any other Joker I've seen. Every other version, his hair's at least combed, or neat. Heath Ledger's Joker is filthy. I'll take your word for it the Joker from the comics wouldn't burn his pile of money. I guess I should be relieved that it's the movie and not the comic? Joker lit his half on fire and then promptly took the other half. "Tell your men they work for me now" I think was what he said. And his motivation is to prove everyone is as trash inside as he sees himself. Joker is trying to prove Bats, Dent, the people on the boat are all rotten inside like Joker sees himself. Everyone is the same. Everyone would behave like Joker given his circumstancesI've never agreed with that interpretation. It's not far off from Joker's plan in The Killing Joke, which I thought was a bad plan. In The Killing Joke, Joker tried driving Gordon to the breaking point to prove anybody could become the Joker. Not only did I think Gordon was a poor target, only Gordon's life were at stake. If Joker failed, he'd probably just kill Gordon. If Joker succeeded, then congratulations, he's made his point to one person. Then what? It's not a good plan, which might be why it fails. But in the movie, I don't think it was the be all that ends all. My theory is each detonator controlled the the boat it was on. If anybody used the detonator to blow up the other boat, it would blow up their own boat, therefore punishing them for following the rules. If Joker was telling the truth and the detonator blew up the opposite boat, I think Joker would have blown up the other one later. If neither have blown up, I think Joker would have blown them both up. At the time, he was hanging upside down before Batman, but I definitely think he was a lot more interested in all those lives being lost at the same time than making a point about the human condition. With his finger on the button, he doesn't need to be right. He just wants his finger on the button. ---------- What else? They're all just comic book movies to me. The Dark Knight isn't even my favorite Batman movie. Batman Returns is my favorite Batman movie. For my money, Marvel's better, but not because DC is bad. Just different. I've enjoyed countless hours of entertainment from DC, and I still prefer Marvel. Superman worked for me in Superman and Superman II. I don't know why it's so difficult to make him work in live action, save for his powers lending themselves to animation. Do you like any of the animated movies? Like The Death of Superman, Reign of the Supermen, or Justice League vs Teen Titans, Justice League War, Gods and Monsters? Those are pretty good.
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