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Post by thisguy4000 on Feb 10, 2019 20:33:20 GMT
People always talk about how Spider-Man is one of the most relatable superheroes out there, given that he deals with a lot of struggles in his personal life, including personal income. As far as the MCU version of Spider-Man is concerned, however, I feel like that relatability is almost nonexistent. Granted, I’m not a high school student, so part of it might just be an age thing, but in terms of the MCU, Peter doesn’t seem to have it that rough.
Sure, being a costumed vigilante is hardly an easy thing, but so far in the MCU, Peter seems to have plenty of things going for him. Now, obviously, Peter Parker being a genius has always been a part of his character. That’s how he was able to develop his web shooters. However, as far as the MCU is concerned, not only is Peter a genius like always, but he also goes to a prestigious tech school, as opposed to an ordinary high school. Right off the bat, that’s something that the average kid probably can’t relate to.
Apart from the school he goes to, Peter also has the backing of one of the richest men in the world. This is pretty significant because now, instead of being a loner who occasionally teams up with other heroes, Tom Holland’s Spider-Man gets to have a billionaire genius as his personal benefactor and pseudo father figure. That just seems to severely diminish the idea that Peter is someone who has to do things on his own, and who has to deal with everyday human struggles. If you have Tony Stark as your personal backer, you’re pretty much set for life.
Does anyone one else feel this way? This isn’t even me bashing the MCU, in case anyone was wondering. It was just something I thought was worth pointing out.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Feb 10, 2019 20:33:44 GMT
Never seen it.
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Post by hobowar on Feb 10, 2019 20:44:09 GMT
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Feb 10, 2019 20:46:47 GMT
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Post by Prime etc. on Feb 10, 2019 20:54:49 GMT
They don't want an independent male character unless they come from Wakanda or is some kind of raccoon.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 20:57:37 GMT
I agree. MCU Peter is basically a well off, happy go lucky kid that goes a fancy private school and gets to go on field trips across Europe. Plus, a billionaire hooks him up with his suits and his only care in life is whether the super duper super team lets him join.
Tobey's Peter was extremely relatable to me. A guy that constantly has bad luck and cannot catch a break no matter how hard he tries. That's my life!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 20:59:32 GMT
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Feb 10, 2019 21:00:09 GMT
I agree. MCU Peter is basically a well off, happy go lucky kid that goes a fancy private school and gets to go on field trips across Europe. Plus, a billionaire hooks him up with his suits and his only care in life is whether the super duper super team lets him join. Tobey's Peter was extremely relatable to me. A guy that constantly has bad luck and cannot catch a break no matter how hard he tries. That's my life!
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Feb 10, 2019 21:03:27 GMT
Give this mango TEN DOLLARZ!!!!!!!12345677890
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 10, 2019 21:18:57 GMT
So... him living an average teenage life (before Stark) means he's not relatable? Sounds like you want the character to have an incredibly tough life before he becomes relatable.
So he goes to private school, so what? Many kids go to private school. Maybe not as much as those that go to public school but it's certainly not uncommon.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Feb 10, 2019 21:23:42 GMT
So you're saying he's not relatable because he seemed to have been living an average teenage life. It sounds like someone needs to have a pretty tough life before you consider it relatable. I wouldn’t call going to a fancy private school and being backed by one of the richest and most brilliant people in the world, to be an especially average life. Let’s put it this way, Tobey Maguire’s Peter Parker had financial problems to deal with, including the difficulty of holding a job. Tom Holland’s Peter Parker seems like he should pretty much be set for life, what with that Stark “internship” of his.
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Post by charzhino on Feb 10, 2019 21:33:40 GMT
Hes just bland.
Bring back Andrew Garfield. 10x the actor, perfect Peter Parker and gave great emotional beats to his arc.
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 10, 2019 21:36:43 GMT
So you're saying he's not relatable because he seemed to have been living an average teenage life. It sounds like someone needs to have a pretty tough life before you consider it relatable. I wouldn’t call going to a fancy private school and being backed by one of the richest and most brilliant people in the world, to be an especially average life. Let’s put it this way, Tobey Maguire’s Peter Parker had financial problems to deal with, including the difficulty of holding a job. Tom Holland’s Peter Parker seems like he should pretty much be set for life, what with that Stark “internship” of his. It's not a fancy private school. A fancy private school means they would be in preppy uniforms. It means they would be rich enough that Peter wouldn't need to dumpster dive. As for Tobey, like I said, a character doesn't need to be having an extremely tough life before becoming relateable. MCU Parker seems like an average kid, there's nothing wrong with that. And it's perfectly realistic for people to be granted scholarships that take care of all their educational finances provided they maintain a certain level of performance.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Feb 10, 2019 21:43:48 GMT
I wouldn’t call going to a fancy private school and being backed by one of the richest and most brilliant people in the world, to be an especially average life. Let’s put it this way, Tobey Maguire’s Peter Parker had financial problems to deal with, including the difficulty of holding a job. Tom Holland’s Peter Parker seems like he should pretty much be set for life, what with that Stark “internship” of his. It's not a fancy private school. A fancy private school means they would be in preppy uniforms. It means they would be rich enough that Peter wouldn't need to dumpster dive. As for Tobey, like I said, a character doesn't need to be having an extremely tough life before becoming relateable. MCU Parker seems like an average kid, there's nothing wrong with that. And it's perfectly realistic for people to be granted scholarships that take care of all their educational finances provided they maintain a certain level of performance. Wasn’t it confirmed that the only reason Flash got into that school was because his family is rich? I know that Peter obviously isn’t rich, but I don’t see how his life can be considered reflective of the “average kid”. He doesn’t even have a simple scholarship, he has a billionaire genius as his personal backer/father figure. The average kid can relate to that?
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Post by scabab on Feb 10, 2019 21:46:13 GMT
Well he's definitely not as relatable as Toby Maguire's Peter Parker....or probably Andrew Garfields either so yeah I suppose I agree.
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 10, 2019 21:52:12 GMT
It's not a fancy private school. A fancy private school means they would be in preppy uniforms. It means they would be rich enough that Peter wouldn't need to dumpster dive. As for Tobey, like I said, a character doesn't need to be having an extremely tough life before becoming relateable. MCU Parker seems like an average kid, there's nothing wrong with that. And it's perfectly realistic for people to be granted scholarships that take care of all their educational finances provided they maintain a certain level of performance. Wasn’t it confirmed that the only reason Flash got into that school was because his family is rich? I know that Peter obviously isn’t rich, but I don’t see how his life can be considered reflective of the “average kid”. He doesn’t even have a simple scholarship, he has a billionaire genius as his personal backer/father figure. The average kid can relate to that? Because Flash probably flunked the entrance exam. If the school was an expensive school, no one would make a comment about a student getting in just because he's rich... because it's assumed everyone is rich. So Flash's "richness" being mentioned is proof that someone with that kind of money isn't that common. Peter has superpowers, so anything that has to do with him being Spiderman is obviously not going to reflect the average kid's life. But everything about him being simple Peter Parker feels average. And Stark giving him the internship is a direct result of him having superpowers (i.e being Spiderman), not him being simple Peter Parker.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Feb 10, 2019 22:05:26 GMT
Wasn’t it confirmed that the only reason Flash got into that school was because his family is rich? I know that Peter obviously isn’t rich, but I don’t see how his life can be considered reflective of the “average kid”. He doesn’t even have a simple scholarship, he has a billionaire genius as his personal backer/father figure. The average kid can relate to that? Because Flash probably flunked the entrance exam. If the school was an expensive school, no one would make a comment about a student getting in just because he's rich... because it's assumed everyone is rich. So Flash's "richness" being mentioned is proof that someone with that kind of money isn't that common. Peter has superpowers, so anything that has to do with him being Spiderman is obviously not going to reflect the average kid's life. But everything about him being simple Peter Parker feels average. And Stark giving him the internship is a direct result of him having superpowers (i.e being Spiderman), not him being simple Peter Parker. Obviously I never suggested that Peter Parker has to live a dull and boring life in order to be relatable, but the thing that has made him relatable over the years is the struggles that he goes through in his personal life. He goes through very realistic and very human struggles on a regular basis. I don’t get any of that from Tom Holland’s Peter Parker.
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 10, 2019 22:57:27 GMT
Because Flash probably flunked the entrance exam. If the school was an expensive school, no one would make a comment about a student getting in just because he's rich... because it's assumed everyone is rich. So Flash's "richness" being mentioned is proof that someone with that kind of money isn't that common. Peter has superpowers, so anything that has to do with him being Spiderman is obviously not going to reflect the average kid's life. But everything about him being simple Peter Parker feels average. And Stark giving him the internship is a direct result of him having superpowers (i.e being Spiderman), not him being simple Peter Parker. Obviously I never suggested that Peter Parker has to live a dull and boring life in order to be relatable, but the thing that has made him relatable over the years is the struggles that he goes through in his personal life. He goes through very realistic and very human struggles on a regular basis. I don’t get any of that from Tom Holland’s Peter Parker. Because he's only a highschool kid. You can't expect him to showcase issues like having to budget his salary or being late for work or having to manage his married life. You can't expect him to tackle adult issues when he's only in high school. You're looking at this from an adult's perspective, so obviously his issues will seem shallow to you. But for someone close to his age, his issues are definitely more relatable.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Feb 10, 2019 22:59:34 GMT
Obviously I never suggested that Peter Parker has to live a dull and boring life in order to be relatable, but the thing that has made him relatable over the years is the struggles that he goes through in his personal life. He goes through very realistic and very human struggles on a regular basis. I don’t get any of that from Tom Holland’s Peter Parker. Because he's only a highschool kid. You can't expect him to showcase issues like having to budget his salary or being late for work or having to manage his married life. You can't expect him to tackle adult issues when he's only in high school. Like I said in the OP, part of the problem might just be that I’m not a kid, but even if I was, I’m not sure I’d find Holland’s Peter Parker to be particularly relatable.
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Post by Nalkarj on Feb 10, 2019 23:00:51 GMT
Obviously I never suggested that Peter Parker has to live a dull and boring life in order to be relatable, but the thing that has made him relatable over the years is the struggles that he goes through in his personal life. He goes through very realistic and very human struggles on a regular basis. I don’t get any of that from Tom Holland’s Peter Parker. Because he's only a highschool kid. You can't expect him to showcase issues like having to budget his salary or being late for work or having to manage his married life. You can't expect him to tackle adult issues when he's only in high school. You're looking at this from an adult's perspective, so obviously his issues will seem shallow to you. But for someone close to his age, his issues are definitely more relatable. Obviously just speaking for myself, I had to budget my salary and worry about being late for work in high school. My family didn’t have that much money, and I was working for a town councilman and for the local newspaper.
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