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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 23:46:53 GMT
Any reccomendations? Nalkarj gave his approval to The Long Halloween, which is one I was interested in. What say you? Lord Death Man you know your comics. Any reccomendations?
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Post by scabab on Feb 14, 2019 23:50:04 GMT
I don't read many comics but Knight fall and Hush were pretty good.
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Post by Nalkarj on Feb 14, 2019 23:50:56 GMT
I loved all of the Loeb-Sale Batman collaborations (The Long Halloween, Dark Victory, Haunted Knight), was mixed on Alan Moore’s The Killing Joke (but it’s still interesting and has a well-done, apparently oft-debated ending) and Jeph Loeb’s Hush, and just plain disliked one I recently read called Batman: Gothic (which has so many lovely ideas and doesn’t execute any of them well). I’m far from an expert, but I’d highly recommend those three Loeb-Sale comics.
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Post by Nalkarj on Feb 14, 2019 23:51:58 GMT
Also: @forceghostackbar , I’m offended! OFFENDED! I wrote a Valentine’s poem just for you and President Ackbar™ —and no responses and no thanks from you two dastardly rapscallions! I KNOW WHEN I’VE BEEN INSULTED! I KNOW WHEN I’VE BEEN INSULTED!
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Post by Lord Death Man on Feb 15, 2019 3:18:49 GMT
Full disclosure; I'm not an expert on Batman but, I do have a few credible recommendations for you.
The Dark Knight Returns is my absolute favorite Batman story. Don't buy into the Superman-is-a-puppet narrative. That's a mean-spirited, revisionist critique that doesn't fully recognize what Miller was trying to do with the character. The Man of Steel of TDKR only kowtows to the corrupt government to spare his friends from certain death. Kal-El has lost faith in humanity. He shifts his concern from people to the planet on which they live and the star which provides him with life-sustaining energies. TDKR is poetic, brutal and uncompromising.
Also by Frank Miller and the incomparable David Mazzucchelli is Batman Year One. This is my second favorite Batman story. The art and plotting are both immaculate (in comparison to TDKR where Miller's pencils can seem jarring and grotesque to the uninitiated). This is a book that turns Batman naysayers into fans. Year One has the best portrayal of Jim Gordan as a fully realized person in any Batman story (instead of just a supporting character who frequently needs Batman's help).
Grant Morrison's Batman Incorporated is primarily looked at by critics as minor work in the full scope of his long run on Batman (which gave us the likes of fan favorite, Damian Wayne). I've gained a greater appreciation of this particular arc over time because of its wild audacity and ambitious scope. Essentially, Batman franchises his crime-fighting methodology by drafting and training a group of superheroes who answer to him and operate on a global scale. I didn't realize just how tired I was of Batman's Gotham settings until I read ...Incorporated. This isn't seminal work but, it's a damn fine read.
Batman Earth One by Geoff Johns and Gary Frank is something you might want to hold off on until you have a firm grasp on what I call "Batman Standard." Earth One is a bold retelling of the Dark Knight's origins which deconstructs the man and the legend. Batman is no longer a supernatural force of nature or the embodiment of fear and righteous retribution. On Earth One, Batman is just a fallible man.
Often overlooked if not altogether forgotten is Jim Starlin and the late, great Bernie Wrightson's, Batman: The Cult. It's a master class in psychological terror. The Dark Knight is brought to his knees by Deacon Blackfire and his band of homeless followers. The story weaves between reality and psychedelic nightmare with eerie ease. Bill Wray does a superb job of creating a sophisticating atmosphere with his unrelenting use of dark and mid-tone grays and muddy, rust-tinged reds. Everything looks and feels like it might be covered in a layer of soot and mud - very appropriate for a story set in the sewers of Gotham.
I've got more if you need them but, I think this is a diverse and relatively well-rounded sampling. Note that I've steered clear of Hush, Court of Owls and the Long Halloween as those usually top every fan's list and, don't bear repeating here.
The Killing Joke, Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on Serious Earth, Batman: Whatever Happened to the Caped Crusader?, Gotham by Gaslight and Batman: Dark Victory are all also worth pursuing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 3:48:48 GMT
Thanks, guys! All great reccomendations. And Long Halloween, Year One and TDKR were my top choices... Primarily because they're the only ones I know. I'll have to decide between one of these. Something tells me price and availability will play a role in which one I get.
There's a comic book store a block away from me. I'll pop in soon and see what I can find...
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Feb 15, 2019 4:32:46 GMT
The Bazooka Joe comics on Bazooka bubblegum wrappers are free.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Feb 15, 2019 4:34:24 GMT
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Feb 15, 2019 11:32:19 GMT
The Long Halloween is one of my period favorites. Definitely recommend you check that out.
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Post by Winter_King on Feb 15, 2019 12:12:28 GMT
Hush
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Post by kuatorises on Feb 15, 2019 14:49:36 GMT
Brian Azzarello's Joker is quite good, though that's more of a Joker story.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 1:13:42 GMT
Full disclosure; I'm not an expert on Batman but, I do have a few credible recommendations for you. The Dark Knight Returns is my absolute favorite Batman story. Don't buy into the Superman-is-a-puppet-in-DKR narrative. That's a mean-spirited, revisionist critique that doesn't fully recognize what Miller was trying to do with the character. The Man of Steel of TDKR only kowtows to the corrupt government to spare his friends. Kal-El has lost faith in humanity and, he shifts his concern from them to the planet on which they live and the star which provides it with life-sustaining energies. TDKR is poetic, brutal and uncompromising. Also by Frank Miller and the incomparable David Mazzucchelli is Batman Year One. This is my second favorite Batman story. The art and plotting are both immaculate (in comparison to TDKR where Miller's pencils can seem jarring and grotesque to the uninitiated). This is a book that turns Batman naysayers into fans. Year One has the best portrayal of Jim Gordan as a fully realized person in any Batman story (instead of just a supporting character who frequently needs Batman's help). Grant Morrison's Batman Incorporated is primarily looked at by critics as minor work in the full scope of his long run on Batman (which gave us the likes of fan favorite, Damian Wayne). I've gained a greater appreciation of this particular arc over time because of its wild audacity and ambitious scope. Essentially, Batman franchises his crime-fighting methodology by drafting and training a group of superheroes who answer to him and operate on a global scale. I didn't realize just how tired I was of Batman's Gotham settings until I read ...Incorporated. This isn't seminal work but, it's a damn fine read. Batman Earth One by Geoff Johns and Gary Frank is something you might want to hold off on until you have a firm grasp on what I call "Batman Standard." Earth One is a bold retelling of the Dark Knight's origins which deconstructs the man and the legend. Batman is no longer a supernatural force of nature or the embodiment of fear and righteous retribution. On Earth One, Batman is just a fallible man. Often overlooked if not altogether forgotten is Jim Starlin and the late, great Bernie Wrightson's, Batman: The Cult. It's a master class in psychological terror. The Dark Knight is brought to his knees by Deacon Blackfire and his band of homeless followers. The story weaves between reality and psychedelic nightmare with eerie ease. Bill Wray does a superb job of creating a sophisticating atmosphere with his unrelenting use of dark and mid-tone grays and muddy, rust-tinged reds. Everything looks and feels like it might be covered in a layer of soot and mud - very appropriate for a story set in the sewers of Gotham. I've got more if you need them but, I think this is a diverse and relatively well-rounded sampling. Note that I've steered clear of Hush, Court of Owls and the Long Halloween as those usually top every fan's list and, don't bear repeating here. The Killing Joke, Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on Serious Earth, Batman: Whatever Happened to the Caped Crusader?, Gotham by Gaslight and Batman: Dark Victory are all also worth pursuing. This is getting off topic, but I was also looking at Wolverine: Origin. I'm curious what your thoughts are on it. I've always been curious in Logan's backstory and since the first solo movie completely botched it I've wanted to pick this story up. Anyone else who has read this one can feel free to chime in too...
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Post by Lord Death Man on Feb 16, 2019 7:39:33 GMT
Full disclosure; I'm not an expert on Batman but, I do have a few credible recommendations for you. The Dark Knight Returns is my absolute favorite Batman story. Don't buy into the Superman-is-a-puppet-in-DKR narrative. That's a mean-spirited, revisionist critique that doesn't fully recognize what Miller was trying to do with the character. The Man of Steel of TDKR only kowtows to the corrupt government to spare his friends. Kal-El has lost faith in humanity and, he shifts his concern from them to the planet on which they live and the star which provides it with life-sustaining energies. TDKR is poetic, brutal and uncompromising. Also by Frank Miller and the incomparable David Mazzucchelli is Batman Year One. This is my second favorite Batman story. The art and plotting are both immaculate (in comparison to TDKR where Miller's pencils can seem jarring and grotesque to the uninitiated). This is a book that turns Batman naysayers into fans. Year One has the best portrayal of Jim Gordan as a fully realized person in any Batman story (instead of just a supporting character who frequently needs Batman's help). Grant Morrison's Batman Incorporated is primarily looked at by critics as minor work in the full scope of his long run on Batman (which gave us the likes of fan favorite, Damian Wayne). I've gained a greater appreciation of this particular arc over time because of its wild audacity and ambitious scope. Essentially, Batman franchises his crime-fighting methodology by drafting and training a group of superheroes who answer to him and operate on a global scale. I didn't realize just how tired I was of Batman's Gotham settings until I read ...Incorporated. This isn't seminal work but, it's a damn fine read. Batman Earth One by Geoff Johns and Gary Frank is something you might want to hold off on until you have a firm grasp on what I call "Batman Standard." Earth One is a bold retelling of the Dark Knight's origins which deconstructs the man and the legend. Batman is no longer a supernatural force of nature or the embodiment of fear and righteous retribution. On Earth One, Batman is just a fallible man. Often overlooked if not altogether forgotten is Jim Starlin and the late, great Bernie Wrightson's, Batman: The Cult. It's a master class in psychological terror. The Dark Knight is brought to his knees by Deacon Blackfire and his band of homeless followers. The story weaves between reality and psychedelic nightmare with eerie ease. Bill Wray does a superb job of creating a sophisticating atmosphere with his unrelenting use of dark and mid-tone grays and muddy, rust-tinged reds. Everything looks and feels like it might be covered in a layer of soot and mud - very appropriate for a story set in the sewers of Gotham. I've got more if you need them but, I think this is a diverse and relatively well-rounded sampling. Note that I've steered clear of Hush, Court of Owls and the Long Halloween as those usually top every fan's list and, don't bear repeating here. The Killing Joke, Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on Serious Earth, Batman: Whatever Happened to the Caped Crusader?, Gotham by Gaslight and Batman: Dark Victory are all also worth pursuing. This is getting off topic, but I was also looking at Wolverine: Origin. I'm curious what your thoughts are on it. I've always been curious in Logan's backstory and since the first solo movie completely botched it I've wanted to pick this story up. Anyone else who has read this one can feel free to chime in too... I have mixed feelings on Origins. I’m in the purist camp that wanted Wolverine’s origin to remain hazy an fractured. When Marvel decided it was time for a definitive origin story, I was mildly disappointed. What is Wolverine if not someone who is forever chasing his past? That said, the first half of Origins is excellent. The second half feels a bit rushed and leaves too many unanswered questions, IMO. Mine is likely a minority opinion though, as most comic book fans consider it to be a grail. It’s worth reading but, I wouldn’t put it in a top five list of must reads. And I’m not a huge fan of the art work.
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Post by charzhino on Feb 16, 2019 13:46:59 GMT
Probably not one you want to read if youre light on Batman comics readtime, but my friend gave me his Dark Knights: Metal series and its seriously messed up. Haven't finished it but its basically about a multiverse event were there are 7 evil versions of Batman combined with his JL members and villains. So theres a batman-joker hybrid, batman-flash hybrid, batman-Ares hybrid etc that the hero Batman must fight.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 18:52:53 GMT
This is getting off topic, but I was also looking at Wolverine: Origin. I'm curious what your thoughts are on it. I've always been curious in Logan's backstory and since the first solo movie completely botched it I've wanted to pick this story up. Anyone else who has read this one can feel free to chime in too... I have mixed feelings on Origins. I’m in the purist camp that wanted Wolverine’s origin to remain hazy an fractured. When Marvel decided it was time for a definitive origin story, I was mildly disappointed. What is Wolverine if not someone who is forever chasing his past? That said, the first half of Origins is excellent. The second half feels a bit rushed and leaves too many unanswered questions, IMO. Mine is likely a minority opinion though, as most comic book fans consider it to be a grail. It’s worth reading but, I wouldn’t put it in a top five list of must reads. And I’m not a huge fan of the art work. I think I will mainly read it to satiate my curiousity. I do agree that mysterious characters are often better with open back stories. Personally I think the Joker works better without that comedian who went nuts/vat of acid thing. I've always hated that simplistic origin. But the addition of a tragic past is usually essential to round out a protagonist. I also like that Logan's is a period piece. Wolvie's age has always been my favorite aspect of the character. What did he do during all of those years?! I must know!!!!!@!!
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Post by Nalkarj on Feb 16, 2019 18:59:45 GMT
^^^Apropos of mysterious characters, @forceghostackbar, one of the elements I did like about The Killing Joke is that, while it (apparently famously) provides the Joker with a back story, it provides doubts that that’s the Joker’s real backstory—a bit like the conflicting backstories in The Dark Knight (for which Nolan used Killing Joke as a major inspiration).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 19:12:13 GMT
^^^Apropos of mysterious characters, @forceghostackbar , one of the elements I did like about The Killing Joke is that, while it (apparently famously) provides the Joker with a back story, it provides doubts that that’s the Joker’s real backstory—a bit like the conflicting backstories in The Dark Knight (for which Nolan used Killing Joke as a major inspiration). Oh! Neat! I didn't know that. I did have my eye on The Killing Joke and The Man Who Laughs. But, yeah... I just like Joker better as a psychopathic antithesis of Batman without reason or explanation. Perhaps I should give those stories a chance though.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 4:33:38 GMT
If you like the Bat-Family, I recommend James Tynion's Rebirth run on Detective Comics.
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Post by maxwellperfect on Feb 17, 2019 5:14:51 GMT
The Greatest Batman Stories Ever Told
The Greatest Joker Stories Ever Told
Man-Bat graphic novel
The Killing Joke
Dark Knight, Dark City
Alan Moore/Norm Breyfogle run on Detective Comics from the early 90's -- anything you can find.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Feb 19, 2019 17:38:49 GMT
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