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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Feb 20, 2019 13:00:40 GMT
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Feb 21, 2019 15:49:52 GMT
My guess is the dragon eggs from season 1
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Feb 25, 2019 17:41:36 GMT
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Post by Troyal1 on Feb 27, 2019 4:06:30 GMT
Leo do you actually think Cersei won’t die? Legitimately curious.
I feel like the show has no choice but to kill her off, even if it’s fan service
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Feb 27, 2019 5:10:39 GMT
Leo do you actually think Cersei won’t die? Legitimately curious. I feel like the show has no choice but to kill her off, even if it’s fan service I believe it is a fair possibility. The show has every choice. Come to the last season, fan service is not a requirement, they don't need them to come back for more. What they need is to make more people curious, create more buzz, more talk to attract new "customers" to DVD boxes and stupid figurines. Think of it: they are heading to kill Daenerys anyway (only idiots don't see it coming). They have built her and Jon up only to have them fail or give up in some way. The story is built on misdirections, it has kept making people hope for what doesn't happen, hitting them with "shocking twists" ®. The best chance of Cersei surviving is that almost everyone expects her not to. Two more reasons: 1) Cersei was named after an immortal. Circe's fate as a goddess was to be exiled on an island: "Some say she was exiled to the solitary island of Aeaea by her subjects and her father Helios for killing her husband, the prince of Colchis. Later traditions tell of her leaving or even destroying the island and moving to Italy, where she was identified with Cape Circeo." Cersei's historical parallel, Margaret of Anjou, found refuge in France under Louis XI. 2) Cersei, like Theon, has fallen once already.
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Post by DSDSquared on Mar 6, 2019 13:12:36 GMT
Leo do you actually think Cersei won’t die? Legitimately curious. I feel like the show has no choice but to kill her off, even if it’s fan service She will definitely die by the end. I can promise that. She pretty much has to.
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Post by northernlad on Mar 6, 2019 16:14:25 GMT
Leo do you actually think Cersei won’t die? Legitimately curious. I feel like the show has no choice but to kill her off, even if it’s fan service I believe it is a fair possibility. The show has every choice. Come to the last season, fan service is not a requirement, they don't need them to come back for more. What they need is to make more people curious, create more buzz, more talk to attract new "customers" to DVD boxes and stupid figurines. Think of it: they are heading to kill Daenerys anyway (only idiots don't see it coming). They have built her and Jon up only to have them fail or give up in some way. The story is built on misdirections, it has kept making people hope for what doesn't happen, hitting them with "shocking twists" ®. The best chance of Cersei surviving is that almost everyone expects her not to. Two more reasons: 1) Cersei was named after an immortal. Circe's fate as a goddess was to be exiled on an island: "Some say she was exiled to the solitary island of Aeaea by her subjects and her father Helios for killing her husband, the prince of Colchis. Later traditions tell of her leaving or even destroying the island and moving to Italy, where she was identified with Cape Circeo." Cersei's historical parallel, Margaret of Anjou, found refuge in France under Louis XI. 2) Cersei, like Theon, has fallen once already. She does need to die for fan service. Think of it, she's alive in the end...most of the die-hard fans of this show would be pissed. If that were to happen, there would be a huge backlash against the ending of such a great show it would forever taint just how good this show has been. There is no way in hell she can remain alive at the end of this if they want this shows fantastic legacy to age well. If she remains alive, then fans would spread the word and tell everyone who hasn't seen the show, "Great show...but the ending is shit. Beware." She should die!
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Mar 6, 2019 16:19:53 GMT
She does need to die for fan service. Think of it, she's alive in the end...most of the die-hard fans of this show would be pissed. If that were to happen, there would be a huge backlash against the ending of such a great show it would forever taint just how good this show has been. There is no way in hell she can remain alive at the end of this if they want this shows fantastic legacy to age well. If she remains alive, then fans would spread the word and tell everyone who hasn't seen the show, "Great show...but the ending is shit. Beware." She should die! The authors could decide to please the turds in the audience or to give them a good flushing. I guess we'll have to see.
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Post by northernlad on Mar 6, 2019 16:22:10 GMT
She does need to die for fan service. Think of it, she's alive in the end...most of the die-hard fans of this show would be pissed. If that were to happen, there would be a huge backlash against the ending of such a great show it would forever taint just how good this show has been. There is no way in hell she can remain alive at the end of this if they want this shows fantastic legacy to age well. If she remains alive, then fans would spread the word and tell everyone who hasn't seen the show, "Great show...but the ending is shit. Beware." She should die! The authors could decide to please the turds in the audience or to give them a good flushing. I guess we'll have to see. Yep...and I have faith in them...they've kept me more than interested in this show and unless they don't really plan on ending it this year...she's going to die.
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Post by Marendil on Mar 8, 2019 2:56:10 GMT
Cersei's historical parallel, Margaret of Anjou, found refuge in France under Louis XI. I too suspect it will end badly for Danerys, but my guess is Cersei gets hers too, perhaps at the hands of the Mountain, her faithful but feral dog who gets off his leash or is directed to by a Qyburn who finds her no longer useful and remembers it was the Starks who saved him after the Lannisters nearly killed him and left him for dead. Not that I want to see either possibility, I'm just guessing.
However, what caused me to post was what I quoted above: why her? I've not put a whole lot of thought into it, but I always thought of Cersei as being more akin to Edward IV's wife, Elizabeth Woodville. It was Edward's death which brought about a whole new round of ugliness after a period of relative peace and prosperity financed by other people's gold and Edward's lifestyle seemed not unlike Robert's despite being married to what was considered the hottest babe in the Kingdom, Elizabeth. Then there's the dead kiddies and the troubles with Edward's brother...
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Mar 8, 2019 5:04:46 GMT
Cersei's historical parallel, Margaret of Anjou, found refuge in France under Louis XI. I too suspect it will end badly for Danerys, but my guess is Cersei gets hers too, perhaps at the hands of the Mountain, her faithful but feral dog who gets off his leash or is directed to by a Qyburn who finds her no longer useful and remembers it was the Starks who saved him after the Lannisters nearly killed him and left him for dead. Not that I want to see either possibility, I'm just guessing.
However, what caused me to post was what I quoted above: why her? I've not put a whole lot of thought into it, but I always thought of Cersei as being more akin to Edward IV's wife, Elizabeth Woodville. It was Edward's death which brought about a whole new round of ugliness after a period of relative peace and prosperity financed by other people's gold and Edward's lifestyle seemed not unlike Robert's despite being married to what was considered the hottest babe in the Kingdom, Elizabeth. Then there's the dead kiddies and the troubles with Edward's brother... GRRM mixed his sources of inspiration. Margaret of Anjou was the wife of the "mad king" Henry VI while Louis XI of France had a network of spies and was called "the Spider". The latter even kept his favourite prisoners in small cages and would visit them. Then of course, Ned Stark is parallel to Richard III, a northern traitor later vilified in theatre plays. One possible speculation is that Qyburn would arrange Cersei's exile with Varys. There was one piece of unmistakable foreshadowing in S6E03, the kind to be taken very seriously because it came up just once: in Meereen, Varys says "birds I always trust", then the scene moves to Qyburn talking to them. I don't believe Qyburn will ever "remember" anything to turn against the hand that gave him all he ever wanted, this is just the usual fantasy of Stark fans who want to believe in stupidities. See them bleating "the North remembers" without noticing that it only does so when it suits them. However, Qyburn will certainly think of himself first and do what's best for his own survival. The same way, Varys might find an easy end to the conflict by offering Cersei a way out, the same way he did with that Meereenese whore. It would complete both parallels with Margaret of Anjou and Circe, exiled on some island. Add Brienne to the mix, fulfilling Jaime's dying wish by taking Cersei to Tarth and you have some classic drama. The problem I have with all this is that I would have to get on the boat too and I hate water. There are crocodiles in it 
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Post by Marendil on Mar 8, 2019 6:07:21 GMT
I too suspect it will end badly for Danerys, but my guess is Cersei gets hers too, perhaps at the hands of the Mountain, her faithful but feral dog who gets off his leash or is directed to by a Qyburn who finds her no longer useful and remembers it was the Starks who saved him after the Lannisters nearly killed him and left him for dead. Not that I want to see either possibility, I'm just guessing.
However, what caused me to post was what I quoted above: why her? I've not put a whole lot of thought into it, but I always thought of Cersei as being more akin to Edward IV's wife, Elizabeth Woodville. It was Edward's death which brought about a whole new round of ugliness after a period of relative peace and prosperity financed by other people's gold and Edward's lifestyle seemed not unlike Robert's despite being married to what was considered the hottest babe in the Kingdom, Elizabeth. Then there's the dead kiddies and the troubles with Edward's brother... GRRM mixed his sources of inspiration. Margaret of Anjou was the wife of the "mad king" Henry VI while Louis XI of France had a network of spies and was called "the Spider". The latter even kept his favourite prisoners in small cages and would visit them. Then of course, Ned Stark is parallel to Richard III, a northern traitor later vilified in theatre plays. One possible speculation is that Qyburn would arrange Cersei's exile with Varys. There was one piece of unmistakable foreshadowing in S6E03, the kind to be taken very seriously because it came up just once: in Meereen, Varys says "birds I always trust", then the scene moves to Qyburn talking to them. I don't believe Qyburn will ever "remember" anything to turn against the hand that gave him all he ever wanted, this is just the usual fantasy of Stark fans who want to believe in stupidities. See them bleating "the North remembers" without noticing that it only does so when it suits them. However, Qyburn will certainly think of himself first and do what's best for his own survival. The same way, Varys might find an easy end to the conflict by offering Cersei a way out, the same way he did with that Meereenese whore. It would complete both parallels with Margaret of Anjou and Circe, exiled on some island. Add Brienne to the mix, fulfilling Jaime's dying wish by taking Cersei to Tarth and you have some classic drama. The problem I have with all this is that I would have to get on the boat too and I hate water. There are crocodiles in it I think they foreshadowed that Varys won't come out of this well either but I wonder if Qyburn might continue to parallel Varys' rise (being broken and left for dead but rising like a phoenix through sheer competence and discretion) and remain like Varys did after the overthrow of Aerys. I think all he really wants is to be left alone to do his experiments and receive the respect he believes he deserves and might very well remember what happened to him at Harrenhal when fortunes turned on the Lannisters. I don't expect him to try to be the last man standing by Cersei's side if she starts cracking up when the walls start closing in.
I'd have thought you'd figure Stannis for Richard III, not Ned Stark. At this juncture it's still conceivable Cercei's final issue could eventually marry the Boatsex offspring in an epilogue if they do one, perhaps with an aged Samwell sitting by a fire regaling little Sam as to why Lions still decorate the banners after the 'Song of Ice and Fire.' That would be a way of keeping the War of the Roses analogy somewhat intact.
BTW, did you ever see "The Tudors?" The one with Natalie Dormer as Ann Boleyn?
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Mar 8, 2019 6:23:07 GMT
I think they foreshadowed that Varys won't come out of this well either but I wonder if Qyburn might continue to parallel Varys' rise (being broken and left for dead but rising like a phoenix through sheer competence and discretion) and remain like Varys did after the overthrow of Aerys. I think all he really wants is to be left alone to do his experiments and receive the respect he believes he deserves and might very well remember what happened to him at Harrenhal when fortunes turned on the Lannisters. I don't expect him to try to be the last man standing by Cersei's side if she starts cracking up when the walls start closing in.
I'd have thought you'd figure Stannis for Richard III, not Ned Stark. At this juncture it's still conceivable Cercei's final issue could eventually marry the Boatsex offspring in an epilogue if they do one, perhaps with an aged Samwell sitting by a fire regaling little Sam as to why Lions still decorate the banners after the 'Song of Ice and Fire.' That would be a way of keeping the War of the Roses analogy somewhat intact.
BTW, did you ever see "The Tudors?" The one with Natalie Dormer as Ann Boleyn?
They had Melisandre announce his death to Varys. Given her track record, I wonder what it's worth. Still waiting for her to meet Arya again, by the way. No, Qyburn won't make a stand with Cersei but he'll gladly help save himself by saving her if he can or backstabbing her if he must. Feelings won't play a role in this, he's not that kind of person. Dragonspawn will die out. I see Sansa's offspring with Tyrion as a more likely continuation. I didn't see The Tudors.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Mar 8, 2019 6:39:23 GMT
I'd have thought you'd figure Stannis for Richard III, not Ned Stark. I see Stannis as a more extreme version of Ned Stark, so that's no contradiction.
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Post by Marendil on Mar 8, 2019 6:51:09 GMT
I think they foreshadowed that Varys won't come out of this well either but I wonder if Qyburn might continue to parallel Varys' rise (being broken and left for dead but rising like a phoenix through sheer competence and discretion) and remain like Varys did after the overthrow of Aerys. I think all he really wants is to be left alone to do his experiments and receive the respect he believes he deserves and might very well remember what happened to him at Harrenhal when fortunes turned on the Lannisters. I don't expect him to try to be the last man standing by Cersei's side if she starts cracking up when the walls start closing in.
I'd have thought you'd figure Stannis for Richard III, not Ned Stark. At this juncture it's still conceivable Cercei's final issue could eventually marry the Boatsex offspring in an epilogue if they do one, perhaps with an aged Samwell sitting by a fire regaling little Sam as to why Lions still decorate the banners after the 'Song of Ice and Fire.' That would be a way of keeping the War of the Roses analogy somewhat intact.
BTW, did you ever see "The Tudors?" The one with Natalie Dormer as Ann Boleyn?
They had Melisandre announce his death to Varys. Given her track record, I wonder what it's worth. Still waiting for her to meet Arya again, by the way. No, Qyburn won't make a stand with Cersei but he'll gladly help save himself by saving her if he can or backstabbing her if he must. Feelings won't play a role in this, he's not that kind of person. Dragonspawn will die out. I see Sansa's offspring with Tyrion as a more likely continuation. I didn't see The Tudors. Melisandre's track record and performance was exemplary, outside one ugly supposed failure which just so happened to winnow out the royal field drastically and put her with the deceased Jon Snow who unbeknownst to everyone had a strong blood claim....
There damn well better be a decent explanation to all these R'Hellor machinations, they kept hitting on this point last season and continued including The Hound in R'Hellor's fold (think of how much of his life and what he is has been 'kissed by fire') thus I don't think it's been dropped.
Yes, Qyburn is a thinker, not a feeler!
The Tudors was worth watching. Some damned curious bastardizations of history must be endured, but brilliant portrayals by some make that easier.
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Post by Marendil on Mar 8, 2019 7:22:53 GMT
Really? I take it you're not buying the rumor sweeping other venues that Tyrion is executed for treason? I looked into that and was appalled at how weak the evidence for it was. One compromised source fed to a Spanish doctor by a production which is known for being proactive with disinformation (and has the deepest pockets in the industry) could account for that.
It's still possible I suppose, but I suspect it's just more evidence the ether is ruled by dingbats these days.
I agree Stannis and Ned were not dissimilar.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Mar 8, 2019 8:22:00 GMT
Really? I take it you're not buying the rumor sweeping other venues that Tyrion is executed for treason? I looked into that and was appalled at how weak the evidence for it was. One compromised source fed to a Spanish doctor by a production which is known for being proactive with disinformation (and has the deepest pockets in the industry) could account for that. I don't believe in any leaks. They are at best fan fiction turned into click-bait. Deductions from set observations could be more serious, but limited to outdoor scenes. An older book "spoiler" once announced that Daenerys would die north of the Wall and Tyrion would also be killed. The story of this was of some person with access to GRRM's household, like a cleaner, which never made any sense. The man only writes on his old DOS computer and while he most certainly has back-ups, he has no manuscripts or printouts flying around in which a stranger could gaze to uncover just the right page unveiling the fate of a main character. If he has diagrams left in sight, they won't bear a big red capital " DAENERYS DEATH" on them. It doesn't mean I believe Tyrion will survive but it remains possible. Daenerys and her beasts must die or at the very least get lost for the sake of removing magic from the world. This is supported by ice and fire being presented as two sources of evil throughout, which GRRM himself went on to mention in interviews. The conclusion of the story must therefore keep both in check and we may surmise that Jon will have to share that fate. He will either die, renounce his claim or become something that keeps ice away. I suspect Arya will also go that way. She might be the one who ends Melisandre, another "magically" sustained character, like herself, by the way. Arya's regeneration in S6, rightly mocked, is not different and these two might then clash for good, tools of their respective "gods". Finally, I believe everything that is hinted at by teasers or even the trailer and, to some extent, the actors themselves, is misdirection. The "valonqar" prophecy is being used heavily to that purpose:
The only other safe predictions I would make is that Sansa will be queen or ruler of something and the Iron Throne will lose significance. It might remain the chair of Cersei, Queen of King's Landing, it might become obsolete as Westeros is left broken into pieces, placing new rulers on "every pile of shit" as Tyrion said, or in the best case it might still rule the South only.
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Post by Winter_King on Mar 8, 2019 9:36:38 GMT
Cersei's head. Obviously. It's from the one of the most shocking scenes of the new season that will see Cersei's head being mounted on a spike. In a callback to the season 1 scene where Sansa sees her father head, the same thing will happen but it will be Cersei's head and Sansa and Arya will be there, smiling. 
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Post by Marendil on Mar 8, 2019 10:08:05 GMT
Hrm. I wonder if you posted the right video? I suffered through all of that one only to find it never supported your point regarding him saying Ice and Fire were presented as sources of evil throughout, instead he said something to the effect of good and evil being inside each person, and nothing about magic being removed from the world in the end. His noting that he had charts and genealogies as well as maps and such doesn't fit well with your assertion that the maid couldn't have seen something about the fates of Dany and Jon. It looks like it's going to be lemoncakes for you, Lion.
I know there are legitimate leaks because I've seen and identified accurate ones on the old IMDB board amidst the cacophony of pranksters, fakers and dis/misinformation. I like the mental exercise at times, it's mind candy compared to having to use similar skills and experience in matters where someone is dead and/or unjustly rotting in jail. I've not paid much attention lately, though I've occasionally surveyed a few venues during the Long Hiatus.
I don't think we got much out of the trailer and that was by design. I don't think they even tried much misdirection as they might give something away with that inadvertently and they seem to understand that sort of thing. What concerns me most is who and what we didn't see, that might be the kind of misdirection they're employing.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Mar 8, 2019 10:17:49 GMT
5:40 "People being so consumed by their petty struggles … that they are blind to the much greater threats that are happening far away on the periphery of their kingdoms." He speaks of threats, not of just one, and it comes just after he has said that White Walkers and Daenerys are ice and fire. It makes it clear to anyone who is not dead set on adulating the lizard bitch that she is the other evil of the story. I didn't see the trailer but I see people asking if Arya is talking to Cersei and they interpret it as confirmation that she will kill her. In a way, this confirms that she won't and that she is talking to someone unexpected instead. Oh, and someone also said Cersei is drinking while she hears Jaime and Brienne shagging in the room next door  |
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