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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Apr 9, 2019 16:51:52 GMT
Makes sense, there will be two more X-Men movies this year and two TV shows wrapping themselves up with their own third and final seasons(Legion, Gifted), general audiences may need some time before re-presentation. Fantastic Four though? They gotta come in sooner than later.
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Post by charzhino on Apr 9, 2019 17:55:39 GMT
]Shazam and Wonder Woman are both white heroes with a gang of ethnic minority sidekicks in their respective films. Not sure what your point is regarding Black Panther. Should the other characters hailing from an African nation not also be black? Was it a problem that Everett Ross was white? Shazam and WW arent MCU movies so not sure what youre point is bringing them up. Everett Ross is a minor character not a sidekick. |
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Apr 9, 2019 18:02:29 GMT
]Shazam and Wonder Woman are both white heroes with a gang of ethnic minority sidekicks in their respective films. Not sure what your point is regarding Black Panther. Should the other characters hailing from an African nation not also be black? Was it a problem that Everett Ross was white? Shazam and WW arent MCU movies so not sure what youre point is bringing them up. Everett Ross is a minor character not a sidekick. They're both white heroes with ethnic minority sidekicks.
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Post by charzhino on Apr 9, 2019 18:06:28 GMT
And the delay is most likely because they have several years worth of plans already in place and they want to allow some time to clear the drain and cleanse the pallet from the previous underwhelming Fox-Men films. This should make you happy. It'll give you some more grieving time. Maybe the case with Spiderman being 1 character but still think they would have been more cautious to put out a new version had ASM franchise been successful. They must have seen how DCEU quickly rebooted Batman after TDK trilogy and failed because people still had Bales Batman fresh in mind. More time for MCU to falter after OG cast pack it in you mean. Watch, Feige will bump up Xmen schedule when post Endgame movies start to lose appeal. Not grieving bud, kicking back and waiting to see how much Disney tones down X-Men stories by removing violence, nudity, profanity, adult themes, smoking, heavy drama and stakes from their iteration of X-Men. Will be fun to watch |
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Post by charzhino on Apr 9, 2019 18:08:16 GMT
Shazam and WW arent MCU movies so not sure what youre point is bringing them up. Everett Ross is a minor character not a sidekick. They're both white heroes with ethnic minority sidekicks. Yeah but the original article was calling out MCU for it. Aquaman is ethnic and has white sidekick in Mera so the DCEU is free from that complaint. WW is technically a middle easterner |
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Post by bud47 on Apr 9, 2019 18:08:17 GMT
]Shazam and Wonder Woman are both white heroes with a gang of ethnic minority sidekicks in their respective films. Not sure what your point is regarding Black Panther. Should the other characters hailing from an African nation not also be black? Was it a problem that Everett Ross was white? Shazam and WW arent MCU movies so not sure what youre point is bringing them up. Everett Ross is a minor character not a sidekick. He had more of a prominent role in the film than one of the main villains, Ulysses Klaue. Probably more screen-time than several of the supporting characters, likely equal to even Shuri. Sure he's not attached to Black Panther's hip during the entire film, but still. You're trying to discount his role to prove your point.
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Post by charzhino on Apr 9, 2019 18:11:38 GMT
If black panther was all white cast it would not have been nominated so it is race bait. The movie has bad cgi at the end and still gets voted in, sounds like a pity nomination to me. No unpolished movie with $200million budget would get nominated if it had a glaring technical error like PS2 graphics fight scene. This was already proven months ago with many threads highlighting this and other aspects like black panther not getting a screenplay award either which for a best pic nominee is virtally unheard of. Minority sidekicks to a white hero still a problem in MCU movies yes. Blak panther is an all black film and the main sidekicks are all black too. Doesnt solve the ethnic minority sidekicks to white hero problem They already had films nominated for the so-called "race bait". Green Book, Blackkklansmen and they could have nominated If Beale Street Could Talk as well. They didn't need to nominate Black Panther for that. It received a lot of other nominations as well, so it's a quality film (if a little overrated) save for a couple of bad CGI rhinos and a questionable CGI fight scene (which is not enough to nullify the entire film no matter how much you think it should). I'm sorry for you that none of the Fox-Men films reached the same level of recognition, but at least Logan came pretty close. It should be enough to disqualify it quite clearly. Its an unfinished project, showing signs if slopiness and laziness. Not like they had a 90m budget like Dunkirk which was flawless technically. If someone handed in a art project that had glaring visual defect then they wouldn't expect to get top marks. Simple stuff really, lets move past black panthers sham nom |
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Post by charzhino on Apr 9, 2019 18:12:49 GMT
Shazam and WW arent MCU movies so not sure what youre point is bringing them up. Everett Ross is a minor character not a sidekick. He had more of a prominent role in the film than one of the main villains, Ulysses Klaue. Probably more screen-time than several of the supporting characters, likely equal to even Shuri. Sure he's not attached to Black Panther's hip during the entire film, but still. You're trying to discount his role to prove your point. And ur reaching. Everett ross is a minor minor character. The main supporting cast is Shuri, Okoye, Daniel Kaluya and Forest Whitikkar. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 9, 2019 18:14:50 GMT
They're both white heroes with ethnic minority sidekicks. Yeah but the original article was calling out MCU for it. Aquaman is ethnic and has white sidekick in Mera so the DCEU is free from that complaint. WW is technically a middle easterner And ur reaching.
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Post by charzhino on Apr 9, 2019 18:16:10 GMT
Yeah but the original article was calling out MCU for it. Aquaman is ethnic and has white sidekick in Mera so the DCEU is free from that complaint. WW is technically a middle easterner And ur reaching. Haha not really. Is Jason Mamoa a Somoan yes or no. Yes. Is mera White American. Yes! So that breaks the trend |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 9, 2019 18:34:42 GMT
Haha not really. Is Jason Mamoa a Somoan yes or no. Yes. Is mera White American. Yes! So that breaks the trend Everett Ross is a sidekick and Wonder Woman is not Middle Eastern. Good try, though.
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Post by bud47 on Apr 9, 2019 18:47:07 GMT
And the delay is most likely because they have several years worth of plans already in place and they want to allow some time to clear the drain and cleanse the pallet from the previous underwhelming Fox-Men films. This should make you happy. It'll give you some more grieving time. Maybe the case with Spiderman being 1 character but still think they would have been more cautious to put out a new version had ASM franchise been successful. They must have seen how DCEU quickly rebooted Batman after TDK trilogy and failed because people still had Bales Batman fresh in mind. More time for MCU to falter after OG cast pack it in you mean. Watch, Feige will bump up Xmen schedule when post Endgame movies start to lose appeal. Not grieving bud, kicking back and waiting to see how much Disney tones down X-Men stories by removing violence, nudity, profanity, adult themes, smoking, heavy drama and stakes from their iteration of X-Men. Will be fun to watch The success of Bale's Batman had nothing to do with the character's failures in the DCEU. That was all Zack Snyder. Luckily the ASM franchise wasn't successful and thankfully Sony agreed to share the character with the MCU for mutual benefit. The MCU has plenty of characters to keep things going. Their next phase will be announced shortly. Their success doesn't rely solely on Iron Man and Captain America, neither of whom were headlining characters prior to their films. Either way, I would be ok with the MCU X-Men being bumped up. I was fine with the Spider-Man reboot after the short break as well. Excessive violence, nudity, profanity, smoking don't make a film great. The animated series had none of that and those (all of them) run circles around the films. MCU films have plenty of adult themes, drama and stakes. They also have humor (oh no!) and relatability, making them quite well-rounded and accessible with plenty of focus given to each of it's characters (not just a select few). The X-Men are in good hands, especially if given a chance to shine under the likes of directors like the Russo brothers. Enjoy being a sourpuss.
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Post by bud47 on Apr 9, 2019 18:53:46 GMT
They already had films nominated for the so-called "race bait". Green Book, Blackkklansmen and they could have nominated If Beale Street Could Talk as well. They didn't need to nominate Black Panther for that. It received a lot of other nominations as well, so it's a quality film (if a little overrated) save for a couple of bad CGI rhinos and a questionable CGI fight scene (which is not enough to nullify the entire film no matter how much you think it should). I'm sorry for you that none of the Fox-Men films reached the same level of recognition, but at least Logan came pretty close. It should be enough to disqualify it quite clearly. Its an unfinished project, showing signs if slopiness and laziness. Not like they had a 90m budget like Dunkirk which was flawless technically. If someone handed in a art project that had glaring visual defect then they wouldn't expect to get top marks. Simple stuff really, lets move past black panthers sham nom That would be a good argument if the film was nominated for best visual effects, which it wasn't. You're making it into a bigger issue than it really is, which screams desperation on your part. And let's face it, even if the effects were perfect, you would just find some other reason to disqualify it. It's done, get over it.
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Post by bud47 on Apr 9, 2019 18:55:26 GMT
He had more of a prominent role in the film than one of the main villains, Ulysses Klaue. Probably more screen-time than several of the supporting characters, likely equal to even Shuri. Sure he's not attached to Black Panther's hip during the entire film, but still. You're trying to discount his role to prove your point. And ur reaching. Everett ross is a minor minor character. The main supporting cast is Shuri, Okoye, Daniel Kaluya and Forest Whitikkar. He may be a minor character, but looking at him from a screen-time perspective he's up there with quite a bit of the rest of the supporting cast.
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Post by charzhino on Apr 9, 2019 19:08:49 GMT
Their success doesn't rely solely on Iron Man and Captain America, neither of whom were headlining characters prior to their films. MCU made them to be headlining mostly down to Stark. New cast doesnt have the same charisma especially if they're planning to make Brie Larson the new face of the brand lmao The Xmen are in good hands if you think theyre hardcore stories are best told in the watered down commercialised flavours of Captain Marvel, Black Panther, Ragnarok and Antman. |
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Post by bud47 on Apr 9, 2019 19:23:20 GMT
Their success doesn't rely solely on Iron Man and Captain America, neither of whom were headlining characters prior to their films. MCU made them to be headlining mostly down to Stark. New cast doesnt have the same charisma especially if they're planning to make Brie Larson the new face of the brand lmao The Xmen are in good hands if you think theyre hardcore stories are best told in the watered down commercialised flavours of Captain Marvel, Black Panther, Ragnarok and Antman. It took 3 films for Chris Evans to really shine with Captain America. I'm willing to give the new guys a chance. Chadwick Boseman has plenty of charisma. Hardcore stories? Like Apocalypse? Dark Phoenix 2.0: Sorry For The Do-Over? Not everything requires the hardcore/dark approach. I would definitely trust the X-Men with the Russo brothers. Winter Soldier, Civil War, Infinity War are some of the best. Endgame will likely follow suit. It all depends on who's directing.
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 9, 2019 19:24:57 GMT
5 years till MCU xmen, ha. Makes sense they wouldnt do it earlier because they wouldnt be able to escape Foxs superior shadow so they needed time for it to settle. Unlike when they rebooted Spiderman or Hulk pretty much straight away. Or get the taste out of people mouth. It'll take that long for people to hopefully forget Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix.
Also, you guys do know that not making X-men and Fantastic 4 titled movies doesn't mean they can't put the characters in other movies, right? They can put Xavier in a movie before he opens the school and not make it an X-men movie. They can put Reed Richards as a normal scientist adventurer before he goes off into space. They can use any of their villains or side characters. There is nothing to say that a Shi'ar can't be in Guardians 3. Or mentioning Galactus in The Eternals.
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 9, 2019 19:29:09 GMT
Their success doesn't rely solely on Iron Man and Captain America, neither of whom were headlining characters prior to their films. MCU made them to be headlining mostly down to Stark. New cast doesnt have the same charisma especially if they're planning to make Brie Larson the new face of the brand lmao The Xmen are in good hands if you think theyre hardcore stories are best told in the watered down commercialised flavours of Captain Marvel, Black Panther, Ragnarok and Antman. Are you crying?
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Post by blockbusted on Apr 9, 2019 21:25:34 GMT
They already had films nominated for the so-called "race bait". Green Book, Blackkklansmen and they could have nominated If Beale Street Could Talk as well. They didn't need to nominate Black Panther for that. It received a lot of other nominations as well, so it's a quality film (if a little overrated) save for a couple of bad CGI rhinos and a questionable CGI fight scene (which is not enough to nullify the entire film no matter how much you think it should). I'm sorry for you that none of the Fox-Men films reached the same level of recognition, but at least Logan came pretty close. It should be enough to disqualify it quite clearly. Its an unfinished project, showing signs if slopiness and laziness. Not like they had a 90m budget like Dunkirk which was flawless technically. If someone handed in a art project that had glaring visual defect then they wouldn't expect to get top marks. Simple stuff really, lets move past black panthers sham nom You keep trashing 'Black Panther' as an "unfinished project" because of that CGI issue during the final fight, and yet, you continue to praise 'X-Men: First Class', which has cheap-looking production values overall. |
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Post by blockbusted on Apr 9, 2019 21:28:14 GMT
Their success doesn't rely solely on Iron Man and Captain America, neither of whom were headlining characters prior to their films. MCU made them to be headlining mostly down to Stark. New cast doesnt have the same charisma especially if they're planning to make Brie Larson the new face of the brand lmao The Xmen are in good hands if you think theyre hardcore stories are best told in the watered down commercialised flavours of Captain Marvel, Black Panther, Ragnarok and Antman. Dude, 'Ant-Man'? That film was always going to be a comedy from get-go! Now I have every single proof I need to prove that you're a pretentious pseudo-intellectual. |
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