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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 8, 2019 20:54:42 GMT
I think the comparison between The Reach & Harrenhal is inappropriate. Holding both of them implies very different things. Holding The Reach implies having many minor and major Lords under your command while holding Harrenhal (which has a history of being held by minor Houses since Iron Born king was defeated) doesn't imply much. In fact, Harrenhal has never even been repaired since it was raosted by the first Targaryen ruler. Holding Harrenhall is essentially a loss for anyone who holds it because it is so large that it cannot be manned and thus does not even provide a strategic advantage as a castle for holding siege. The argument here is not that low borns can't be made Lords but that something of the importance of holding the most populous region could be given to a person who can't be trusted and who has no connection to that region.
Also, sure some people do get promoted above their ranks during the times of conflicts. The time of the battle of five kings was a time of conflict but one of the assumptions underlying Dany's rule over Westeros is that once she wins it then it will be a time of less conflicts.
My point was Bronn would have reason to believe he could be elevated and could probably manage his estates provided he had the backing of the Crown, in this case the Hand of the Queen. Bronn did seem to make a decent impression on Tywin and Doran.
Bronn doesn’t know how to manage anything but himself. The blew his wealth on hookers the last time and his grand plan to be a lord was to kill his betrothed or her family. In the book he pretty much does that. Bronn is a lowlife, just one that we [used to] like. |
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Post by Marendil on May 8, 2019 20:58:41 GMT
The biggest threat to Rickon was that Ramsey commanded hundreds of archers who could loose at a rate of about one every five to ten seconds, getting out of their range as soon as possible was his best chance of survival.
If it was so easy to catch arrows in flight why did that not become a common occurrence in the hundreds of years archers were employed on battlefields? Because shooting arching arrows over 1-200 yards was something nobody did when trying to hit one fleeing person. It worked well on the battlefield because opposing armies were distracted by fighting on the battlefield. But one person fleeing on an empty field is a waste of time. AJ June brought up a good point. Rickon was only 11. And he spent his life hiding, not training. So consistent with my original assertion, he was basically retarded. At least his athletic and fighting skills were. In reality seldom were shots aimed at specific people with bows on battlefields, they were trained to rain down as many arrows as they could in a general area. If you put hundreds of arrows in a 1000 square foot area every 5-10 seconds odds are you'll hit one person fleeing, much more likely than one aimed shot. The same was true of muskets later, the basis of mass and shock tactics.
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Post by Marendil on May 8, 2019 21:08:29 GMT
My point was Bronn would have reason to believe he could be elevated and could probably manage his estates provided he had the backing of the Crown, in this case the Hand of the Queen. Bronn did seem to make a decent impression on Tywin and Doran.
Bronn doesn’t know how to manage anything but himself. The blew his wealth on hookers the last time and his grand plan to be a lord was to kill his betrothed or her family. I’m the book he pretty much does that. Bronn is a lowlife, just one that we [used to] like. I still like watching him, he's just tired of being the Lannister's bitch.
You're right he's a cold-hearted bastard sometimes too.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 8, 2019 21:32:32 GMT
Bronn doesn’t know how to manage anything but himself. The blew his wealth on hookers the last time and his grand plan to be a lord was to kill his betrothed or her family. I’m the book he pretty much does that. Bronn is a lowlife, just one that we [used to] like. I still like watching him, he's just tired of being the Lannister's bitch.
You're right he's a cold-hearted bastard sometimes too.
this is my thing about Bronn. He will never be content because he can’t keep what he’s got. Since being with Tyrion he was always taken care of with the promise of greater riches that they kept losing or he kept losing. Riverrrun is more than enough for him to waste so I have to think he doesn’t really want to kill them or else he should have killed them. |
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Post by Marendil on May 8, 2019 21:51:55 GMT
I still like watching him, he's just tired of being the Lannister's bitch.
You're right he's a cold-hearted bastard sometimes too.
this is my thing about Bronn. He will never be content because he can’t keep what he’s got. Since being with Tyrion he was always taken care of with the promise of greater riches that they kept losing or he kept losing. Riverrrun is more than enough for him to waste so I have to think he doesn’t really want to kill them or else he should have killed them. He wants basically the same thing Davos did, but to keep all his fingers. He doesn't want to kill them but for them to pay up and needs them (or just Tyrion) to believe he'd do it.
I do believe he wants to settle down, he's wanted that for a while actually, since he was betrothed to Lollys Stokeworth.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 9, 2019 0:50:17 GMT
Now the only thing that I desire is to see is our good old friend Samwise Gamgee Tarly to be called Lord Tarly, The Lord Paramount of the Reach.  Right now he is and they have no record of him being up North although Oldtown May have reported him. However I can’t imagine Cersei being in good terms with the Maesters given Qyburn is her Hand and she blew up the church they adhere to. Cersei will do the political thing. She's not a some dumb impulsive bitch like that lizard riding shit scum still defends.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 9, 2019 0:51:35 GMT
Because shooting arching arrows over 1-200 yards was something nobody did when trying to hit one fleeing person. It worked well on the battlefield because opposing armies were distracted by fighting on the battlefield. But one person fleeing on an empty field is a waste of time. AJ June brought up a good point. Rickon was only 11. And he spent his life hiding, not training. So consistent with my original assertion, he was basically retarded. At least his athletic and fighting skills were. he was only 4 or 5 when he fled Winterfell. Was a wildling woman supposed to train him? Starks are zigonly. It's genetic. Sansa is a mutant.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 9, 2019 0:54:39 GMT
I still like watching him, he's just tired of being the Lannister's bitch.
You're right he's a cold-hearted bastard sometimes too.
this is my thing about Bronn. He will never be content because he can’t keep what he’s got. Since being with Tyrion he was always taken care of with the promise of greater riches that they kept losing or he kept losing. Riverrrun is more than enough for him to waste so I have to think he doesn’t really want to kill them or else he should have killed them. Bronn still has something to do that will make him unpopular. No one knows what it is but the actor said so before the season started. Of course he might have been planting fake seeds.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 9, 2019 8:00:10 GMT
Another collection of stupidities in this episode:
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Post by shadyvsesham on May 10, 2019 14:29:39 GMT
Has the whole episode leaked or just a couple scenes? Couple scenes. Thailand people are demanding money for the rest. Those scenes are really specific and were talked about months ago tho. So looks like the synopsis is real Yea, I read the spoilers if theyre right, this is a bunch of garbage......
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 10, 2019 14:36:54 GMT
Couple scenes. Thailand people are demanding money for the rest. Those scenes are really specific and were talked about months ago tho. So looks like the synopsis is real Yea, I read the spoilers if theyre right, this is a bunch of garbage...... There is no telling how many of these spoilers are real and there were talks of fake scenes being shot.
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Post by shadyvsesham on May 10, 2019 14:39:36 GMT
Yea, I read the spoilers if theyre right, this is a bunch of garbage...... There is no telling how many of these spoilers are real and there were talks of fake scenes being shot. I hope, but if it ends this way, and seeing the writing go down the pooper, it would not shock me. It's been so lazy, Im sorry. Watch the first few seasons and watch this, it's a new show now. I honestly wouldnt be shocked at this point, but man, it irritate me.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 10, 2019 14:49:47 GMT
There is no telling how many of these spoilers are real and there were talks of fake scenes being shot. I hope, but if it ends this way, and seeing the writing go down the pooper, it would not shock me. It's been so lazy, Im sorry. Watch the first few seasons and watch this, it's a new show now. I honestly wouldnt be shocked at this point, but man, it irritate me. well one person who is not happy how it ends is GRRM GAME OF THRONES author George RR Martin is "a little sad" about the way the HBO show will
end the stories created in his Song of Ice and Fire books and would "prefer" it was done differently. But who is to blame?
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Post by shadyvsesham on May 10, 2019 14:57:41 GMT
I hope, but if it ends this way, and seeing the writing go down the pooper, it would not shock me. It's been so lazy, Im sorry. Watch the first few seasons and watch this, it's a new show now. I honestly wouldnt be shocked at this point, but man, it irritate me. well one person who is not happy how it ends is GRRM GAME OF THRONES author George RR Martin is "a little sad" about the way the HBO show will
end the stories created in his Song of Ice and Fire books and would "prefer" it was done differently. But who is to blame?
LINK GRRM should have finished the fn books and not let these 2 jackoffs finish it. IMO it's gonna end how the leaks claim. It will all make no sense, and will have a lot of plot holes. I dont wanna ruin it, but wait till you see who sits in the iron throne. Who is to blame, everyone. The books will never be finished and this is gonna piss everyone off. 8 seasons of this will imo all mean nothing. Just prepare yourself. I hope it's wrong but it had episode 4 right to a T. Not a good sign my brother.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 10, 2019 15:12:44 GMT
well one person who is not happy how it ends is GRRM GAME OF THRONES author George RR Martin is "a little sad" about the way the HBO show will
end the stories created in his Song of Ice and Fire books and would "prefer" it was done differently. But who is to blame?
LINKGRRM should have finished the fn books and not let these 2 jackoffs finish it. IMO it's gonna end how the leaks claim. It will all make no sense, and will have a lot of plot holes. I dont wanna ruin it, but wait till you see who sits in the iron throne. He is not saying the ending does not match, only that he wishes there would have been more seasons. Be prepared to see the same outcome in the books. The story will only get there in a more logical way.
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Post by shadyvsesham on May 10, 2019 16:29:10 GMT
GRRM should have finished the fn books and not let these 2 jackoffs finish it. IMO it's gonna end how the leaks claim. It will all make no sense, and will have a lot of plot holes. I dont wanna ruin it, but wait till you see who sits in the iron throne. He is not saying the ending does not match, only that he wishes there would have been more seasons. Be prepared to see the same outcome in the books. The story will only get there in a more logical way. LOL be prepared to see the same outcome in the books!? What, in 2052? There will be no more books, mark my words.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 10, 2019 16:40:40 GMT
He is not saying the ending does not match, only that he wishes there would have been more seasons. Be prepared to see the same outcome in the books. The story will only get there in a more logical way. LOL be prepared to see the same outcome in the books!? What, in 2052? There will be no more books, mark my words. That would be a shame I may be in the minority believing this but I think he already finished the books but can't release them due to HBO contract -until show ends -maybe this is why he wanted to continue the HBO series means more income for him but you may be right too , but he did say show ending will have same outcome in the books like Leo mentioned, he knows how his story ends and shared this with D&D many years ago ,but yeah is taking way too long .
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Post by shadyvsesham on May 10, 2019 16:48:44 GMT
LOL be prepared to see the same outcome in the books!? What, in 2052? There will be no more books, mark my words. That would be a shame I may be in the minority believing this but I think he already finished the books but can't release them due to HBO contract -until show ends -maybe this is why he wanted to continue the HBO series means more income for him but you may be right too , but he did say show ending will have same outcome in the books like Leo mentioned, he knows how his story ends and shared this with D&D many years ago ,but yeah is taking way too long . Im the type of guy, I wont read a book series until the books are done. I did it with Harry Potter, etc. If I read, I wanna go all the way through. I truly dont believe they will be finished, but boy I WANT TO BE WRONG. Here is the thing, sure he said it will have the same outcome, but will it? Is he playing lip service for HBO? If Arya kills the NK in the books with no build up, his story is nonsense too. Did he lose his balls? Look at Ned, the red Wedding, all the shocking deaths, now it's all becoming fan service imo. Again IDK what to believe. I still dont think GRRM will finish these books but I hope Im wrong, because Ive wanted to read them for years. I refuse too read them if he wont finish them....
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 10, 2019 16:54:22 GMT
That would be a shame I may be in the minority believing this but I think he already finished the books but can't release them due to HBO contract -until show ends -maybe this is why he wanted to continue the HBO series means more income for him but you may be right too , but he did say show ending will have same outcome in the books like Leo mentioned, he knows how his story ends and shared this with D&D many years ago ,but yeah is taking way too long . Im the type of guy, I wont read a book series until the books are done. I did it with Harry Potter, etc. If I read, I wanna go all the way through. I truly dont believe they will be finished, but boy I WANT TO BE WRONG. Here os tje thing, sure he said it will have the same outcome, but will it? Is he playing lip service or HBO? If Arya kills the NK in the books with no build up, his story is nonsense too. Did he lose his balls? Look at Ned, the red Wedding, all the shocking deaths, now it's all becoming fan service imo. Again IDK what to believe. I still dont think GRRM will finish these books but I hope Im wrong, because Ive wanted to read them for years. I refuse too read them if he wont finish them.... I don't blame you and I think you are doing the right thing by waiting to read them until all of them are finished , I agree a lot things that went on the show is fan service and they don't make sense , don't think though the fans reaction to arya killing the NK it's what they were expecting fans really dissapointed in that I would say divided , scene where Jon was screaming to the zombie dragon delaying going to bran or the crypts is another scene that annoyed me .
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 10, 2019 17:08:41 GMT
Im the type of guy, I wont read a book series until the books are done. I did it with Harry Potter, etc. If I read, I wanna go all the way through. I truly dont believe they will be finished, but boy I WANT TO BE WRONG. Here os tje thing, sure he said it will have the same outcome, but will it? Is he playing lip service or HBO? If Arya kills the NK in the books with no build up, his story is nonsense too. Did he lose his balls? Look at Ned, the red Wedding, all the shocking deaths, now it's all becoming fan service imo. Again IDK what to believe. I still dont think GRRM will finish these books but I hope Im wrong, because Ive wanted to read them for years. I refuse too read them if he wont finish them.... I don't blame you and I think you are doing the right thing by waiting to read them until all of them are finished , I agree a lot things that went on the show is fan service and they don't make sense , don't think though the fans reaction to arya killing the NK it's what they were expecting fans really dissapointed in that I would say divided , scene where Jon was screaming to the zombie dragon delaying going to bran or the crypts is another scene that annoyed me . Arya won't be resolving the White Walker issue in the books but that's a detail, not an outcome. What matters in all this is that the threat is resolved long before the end and that the conflict for power resumes afterwards.
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