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Post by moviebuffbrad on May 8, 2019 0:49:44 GMT
Woah, this episode of has a 6.7 on IMDb. Dany stans are losing their minds.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 8, 2019 0:53:42 GMT
Yeah I’m probably going to knock this down to a seven myself.
I just flat out didn’t like it that much after Winterfell.
Heck even some of the Winterfell stuff was goofy
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 8, 2019 0:59:47 GMT
I cannot, for the life of me, get why people keep saying that Jon should have listened to Sansa before the Battle of the Bastards. This is a common misconception that now gets spouted as fact all of the time. What advice did she give? All she said the entire time was that they did not have enough men. Duh. Jon knew this and acknowledged it every time it was brought up, but what could he do about it? He did not have any more and it was Sansa who was pressing for the attack, not Jon. He wanted to walk away. She even knew of more troops (The Vale) and never said anything. She is a dumbass who constantly makes dumb decisions and everyone acts like she is some genius. She was correct. She wasn’t just saying they didn’t have enough men. She was saying that Ramsay was playing him to fight unprepared. Ramsay was prepared for the battle Jon was not |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 8, 2019 3:49:04 GMT
Woah, this episode of has a 6.7 on IMDb. Dany stans are losing their minds. . That's how butthurt little fucks react. The dumb scum is angry it didn't see the obvious coming. There is no respect to have for that part of the audience and it needs to be told that.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on May 8, 2019 4:10:11 GMT
Woah, this episode of has a 6.7 on IMDb. Dany stans are losing their minds. . That's how butthurt little fucks react. The dumb scum is angry it didn't see the obvious coming. There is no respect to have for that part of the audience and it needs to be told that. This is one area I can agree with you on. Dany's path has been getting paved for 8 seasons, and people are just now realizing this self-righteous serial murderer isn't quite the hero of the story (well, outside of this board - here people are still in denial about it). I remember Stannis stans acted the same way, although at least they didn't dowmvote the episodes. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 8, 2019 4:36:10 GMT
Dany's path has been getting paved for 8 seasons, and people are just now realizing this self-righteous serial murderer isn't quite the hero of the story (well, outside of this board - here people are still in denial about it). After the 3rd episode, there was a sudden flowering of videos by dumb little fantasy fans whining that they had killed the main villain and the rest was pointless and anti-climactic. These collectivist shits believed for 7 and a half seasons that the supernatural threat was the real thing and the story was all about teaching the species to forego the individual and all join together in one big chamber pot. It turns out the threat of nature was just that and the real thing, the main villain, is the evil inside, the one we nurture and support. This is what the Daenerys story is about. And I don't believe this board is any different from discussions elsewhere. Why should it be?
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Post by northernlad on May 8, 2019 5:03:33 GMT
Yeah I’m probably going to knock this down to a seven myself. I just flat out didn’t like it that much after Winterfell. Heck even some of the Winterfell stuff was goofy It just wasn't that great of an episode. They're suddenly changing the story and trying to force too much and this episode was clearly proof of that. Characters not acting like they always have. I said it before and I'll say it again, this show is not going to end well. It feels rushed.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 8, 2019 5:22:16 GMT
Yeah I’m probably going to knock this down to a seven myself. I just flat out didn’t like it that much after Winterfell. Heck even some of the Winterfell stuff was goofy It just wasn't that great of an episode. They're suddenly changing the story and trying to force too much and this episode was clearly proof of that. Characters not acting like they always have. I said it before and I'll say it again, this show is not going to end well. It feels rushed. I can hardly judge what I haven't seen but serious rushing started at the end of S5 and never stopped. The Stannis story-line was finished in a hurry, Tyrion's acceptance into Daenerys' circle felt like a magic trick, Sansa's reaching Castle Black unhindered was a major cheat and basically everything in S6 was made as fast and shallow as possible.
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Post by Marendil on May 8, 2019 7:43:11 GMT
Good point. But so what? Tyrion has made stupid deals before. He might have been thinking "Bronn could get killed. Then what difference would it make?" "Even if he survives, I could get killed. Once again, then what difference would it make?" "Even if we both survive, Bronn would take something else rather than just kill me." Tyrion has done this before. Thinking he can talk or think his way out later on, if and when they cross that bridge. My point is not that Tyrion was making a stupid deal. My point is that Bronn is an extremely intelligent person and he would know that what was offered to him was unattainable. As Tywin lannister had hinted before, you just can't do whatever you want. You have to pick someone from The Reach (one of the key noble families of that region) and you can only make them Lord of the Reach (Samwell Tarly qualifies for that because he is from a noble family of the Reach). If it was some minor landholding or small castle then it would be believable. But the Reach has like 20% of the whole economy of that continent and the highest population. Bronn would know that there is no way he gong to be the Lord of the Reach. In the books Littlefinger was made Lord of Harrenhal and Lord Paramount of the Riverlands, his grandfather was a Bravosi sellsword if I recall correctly. Jaime offered Bronn his pick of castles when the war was over.
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Post by Aj_June on May 8, 2019 7:52:09 GMT
My point is not that Tyrion was making a stupid deal. My point is that Bronn is an extremely intelligent person and he would know that what was offered to him was unattainable. As Tywin lannister had hinted before, you just can't do whatever you want. You have to pick someone from The Reach (one of the key noble families of that region) and you can only make them Lord of the Reach (Samwell Tarly qualifies for that because he is from a noble family of the Reach). If it was some minor landholding or small castle then it would be believable. But the Reach has like 20% of the whole economy of that continent and the highest population. Bronn would know that there is no way he gong to be the Lord of the Reach. In the books Littlefinger was made Lord of Harrenhal and Lord Paramount of the Riverlands, his grandfather was a Bravosi sellsword if I recall correctly. Jaime offered Bronn his pick of castles when the war was over.
Yes, but Littlefinger's manners are very refined and he had already assumed master of coins role in Robert Baratheon's rule for many years. Littlefinger is referred to as Lord in the beginning of the show. To the best of my memory, his father was given Fingers (in eastern coast) for his services and so littlefinger's father's profession had changed from swellsword to minute lord before littlefinger's rise. Further, Harrenhal was accursed. The main issue with Bronn is that he lacks any refinement whatsoever. Sure he can be made Lord of Harrenhal but the Reach would be too big. One can still make him so but it will severly displease people of that region as well as the nobility of that region.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 8, 2019 11:11:21 GMT
Crap.
It looks like a lot of threads are turning into spoiler threads.
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Post by DSDSquared on May 8, 2019 11:59:46 GMT
I cannot, for the life of me, get why people keep saying that Jon should have listened to Sansa before the Battle of the Bastards. This is a common misconception that now gets spouted as fact all of the time. What advice did she give? All she said the entire time was that they did not have enough men. Duh. Jon knew this and acknowledged it every time it was brought up, but what could he do about it? He did not have any more and it was Sansa who was pressing for the attack, not Jon. He wanted to walk away. She even knew of more troops (The Vale) and never said anything. She is a dumbass who constantly makes dumb decisions and everyone acts like she is some genius. She was correct. She wasn’t just saying they didn’t have enough men. She was saying that Ramsay was playing him to fight unprepared. Ramsay was prepared for the battle Jon was not Once again you are wrong. What advice did she give? She spoke the obvious. Jon already knew this. He even said as much when he refused to fight. She convinced him anyway because she wanted revenge. He went along with it because she said she was going to try with or without him. What else was he supposed to do? Sansa knew they were outmanned and she knew about Petyr and the army of the Vale. She failed to trust the man she begged to fight. She contributed nothing at all at that point.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 8, 2019 13:06:54 GMT
She was correct. She wasn’t just saying they didn’t have enough men. She was saying that Ramsay was playing him to fight unprepared. Ramsay was prepared for the battle Jon was not Once again you are wrong. What advice did she give? She spoke the obvious. Jon already knew this. He even said as much when he refused to fight. She convinced him anyway because she wanted revenge. He went along with it because she said she was going to try with or without him. What else was he supposed to do? Sansa knew they were outmanned and she knew about Petyr and the army of the Vale. She failed to trust the man she begged to fight. She contributed nothing at all at that point. Nothing you said contradicted me so you’re using the word “wrong” wrong. Again, any good strategist will state the obvious when the obvious is ignored and Jon was ignoring it and did the flat out dumbest thing ever for a general to do. Sansa was right. Sansa has no reason to trust Jon’s military knowledge since he had none. If they had sat there and waited for the Vale to save the day he still would have ran out to same dead boy walking Rickon. This is the thing people are wrong about regarding Sansa. For some reason she is supposed to go full retard and think like a Stark does when all of her training was from people more clever than them. Ramsay was going to lose no matter what but her way would save the North and Jon’s way was to doom it but get all the credit solely off bravery points. The Battle at Winterfell against the zombies was the first time he ignored his emotions to complete the mission although he couldn’t actually get to the NK. |
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Post by DSDSquared on May 8, 2019 14:39:54 GMT
Once again you are wrong. What advice did she give? She spoke the obvious. Jon already knew this. He even said as much when he refused to fight. She convinced him anyway because she wanted revenge. He went along with it because she said she was going to try with or without him. What else was he supposed to do? Sansa knew they were outmanned and she knew about Petyr and the army of the Vale. She failed to trust the man she begged to fight. She contributed nothing at all at that point. Nothing you said contradicted me so you’re using the word “wrong” wrong. Again, any good strategist will state the obvious when the obvious is ignored and Jon was ignoring it and did the flat out dumbest thing ever for a general to do. Sansa was right. Sansa has no reason to trust Jon’s military knowledge since he had none. If they had sat there and waited for the Vale to save the day he still would have ran out to same dead boy walking Rickon. This is the thing people are wrong about regarding Sansa. For some reason she is supposed to go full retard and think like a Stark does when all of her training was from people more clever than them. Ramsay was going to lose no matter what but her way would save the North and Jon’s way was to doom it but get all the credit solely off bravery points. The Battle at Winterfell against the zombies was the first time he ignored his emotions to complete the mission although he couldn’t actually get to the NK. She just states the obvious and never provides a solution. That is my issue. What was Jon supposed to listen to? Jon did not ignore it. It mentioned it many times, but stated that if they were going to attack, then this was the force they had. He tried to find more men, but couldn't. What exactly did he do wrong there?
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 8, 2019 15:37:22 GMT
Nothing you said contradicted me so you’re using the word “wrong” wrong. Again, any good strategist will state the obvious when the obvious is ignored and Jon was ignoring it and did the flat out dumbest thing ever for a general to do. Sansa was right. Sansa has no reason to trust Jon’s military knowledge since he had none. If they had sat there and waited for the Vale to save the day he still would have ran out to same dead boy walking Rickon. This is the thing people are wrong about regarding Sansa. For some reason she is supposed to go full retard and think like a Stark does when all of her training was from people more clever than them. Ramsay was going to lose no matter what but her way would save the North and Jon’s way was to doom it but get all the credit solely off bravery points. The Battle at Winterfell against the zombies was the first time he ignored his emotions to complete the mission although he couldn’t actually get to the NK. She just states the obvious and never provides a solution. That is my issue. What was Jon supposed to listen to? Jon did not ignore it. It mentioned it many times, but stated that if they were going to attack, then this was the force they had. He tried to find more men, but couldn't. What exactly did he do wrong there? again it’s perfectly ok to state the obvious when the obvious is ignored. The solution was to wait. Winterfell wasn’t going anywhere, Ramsay’s army wasn’t growing and to go there because of Rickon was a mistake which was verified by Jon doing the absolute dumbest thing a leader could ever do at the very beginning of it. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 8, 2019 15:57:05 GMT
She just states the obvious and never provides a solution. That is my issue. What was Jon supposed to listen to? Jon did not ignore it. It mentioned it many times, but stated that if they were going to attack, then this was the force they had. He tried to find more men, but couldn't. What exactly did he do wrong there? again it’s perfectly ok to state the obvious when the obvious is ignored. The solution was to wait. Winterfell wasn’t going anywhere, Ramsay’s army wasn’t growing and to go there because of Rickon was a mistake which was verified by Jon doing the absolute dumbest thing a leader could ever do at the very beginning of it. The counter argument was "Winter is coming". Ned Stark never stopped making a mess, even dead.
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Post by DSDSquared on May 8, 2019 16:01:31 GMT
She just states the obvious and never provides a solution. That is my issue. What was Jon supposed to listen to? Jon did not ignore it. It mentioned it many times, but stated that if they were going to attack, then this was the force they had. He tried to find more men, but couldn't. What exactly did he do wrong there? again it’s perfectly ok to state the obvious when the obvious is ignored. The solution was to wait. Winterfell wasn’t going anywhere, Ramsay’s army wasn’t growing and to go there because of Rickon was a mistake which was verified by Jon doing the absolute dumbest thing a leader could ever do at the very beginning of it. Then why didn't Sansa suggest that? You literally just proved my point. Jon WANTED to wait. He said in the beginning that they do not have the men. Sansa forced him to attack now. What are you talking about?
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Post by movieliker on May 8, 2019 16:03:30 GMT
Once again you are wrong. What advice did she give? She spoke the obvious. Jon already knew this. He even said as much when he refused to fight. She convinced him anyway because she wanted revenge. He went along with it because she said she was going to try with or without him. What else was he supposed to do? Sansa knew they were outmanned and she knew about Petyr and the army of the Vale. She failed to trust the man she begged to fight. She contributed nothing at all at that point. Nothing you said contradicted me so you’re using the word “wrong” wrong. Again, any good strategist will state the obvious when the obvious is ignored and Jon was ignoring it and did the flat out dumbest thing ever for a general to do. Sansa was right. Sansa has no reason to trust Jon’s military knowledge since he had none. If they had sat there and waited for the Vale to save the day he still would have ran out to same dead boy walking Rickon. This is the thing people are wrong about regarding Sansa. For some reason she is supposed to go full retard and think like a Stark does when all of her training was from people more clever than them. Ramsay was going to lose no matter what but her way would save the North and Jon’s way was to doom it but get all the credit solely off bravery points. The Battle at Winterfell against the zombies was the first time he ignored his emotions to complete the mission although he couldn’t actually get to the NK. It was obvious Rickon had no fighting or athletic skills. Which is hard to accept being that back then every boy started training with sword --- and bow and arrow --- at an early age. Rickon had such an advantage. Ramsay never started shooting until Rickon was so far away. All Rickon had to do was watch the arrows being fired and dodge them. Those shots took a good 5 seconds from release to landing. Any boy half skilled in athletics or sports could have caught those arrows. Rickon could have walked to safety. Running in a straight line and never looking back was retarded. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 8, 2019 16:29:43 GMT
Nothing you said contradicted me so you’re using the word “wrong” wrong. Again, any good strategist will state the obvious when the obvious is ignored and Jon was ignoring it and did the flat out dumbest thing ever for a general to do. Sansa was right. Sansa has no reason to trust Jon’s military knowledge since he had none. If they had sat there and waited for the Vale to save the day he still would have ran out to same dead boy walking Rickon. This is the thing people are wrong about regarding Sansa. For some reason she is supposed to go full retard and think like a Stark does when all of her training was from people more clever than them. Ramsay was going to lose no matter what but her way would save the North and Jon’s way was to doom it but get all the credit solely off bravery points. The Battle at Winterfell against the zombies was the first time he ignored his emotions to complete the mission although he couldn’t actually get to the NK. It was obvious Rickon had no fighting or athletic skills. Which is hard to accept being that back then every boy started training with sword --- and bow and arrows, at a young age. Rickon had such an advantage. Ramsay never started shooting until Rickon was so far away. All Rickon had to do was watch the arrows being fired and dodge them. Those shots took a good 5 seconds from release to landing. Any boy half skilled in athletics or sports could have caught those arrows. Rickon could have walked to safety. Running in a straight line and never looking back was retarded. None of that affects Jon’s reaction |
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Post by movieliker on May 8, 2019 16:41:01 GMT
It was obvious Rickon had no fighting or athletic skills. Which is hard to accept being that back then every boy started training with sword --- and bow and arrows, at a young age. Rickon had such an advantage. Ramsay never started shooting until Rickon was so far away. All Rickon had to do was watch the arrows being fired and dodge them. Those shots took a good 5 seconds from release to landing. Any boy half skilled in athletics or sports could have caught those arrows. Rickon could have walked to safety. Running in a straight line and never looking back was retarded. None of that affects Jon’s reaction Of course. But I wasn't talking about Jon. I was talking about Rickon. The scene was portrayed as a torture and murder of a normal boy. When in actuality, it should have been portrayed as the torture and murder of a retarded, extremely inept boy. My criticism is of the contrived melodrama, that only a similarly retarded, extremely inept person would have fallen for. In other words, that scene was stupid. |
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