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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 6, 2019 17:08:13 GMT
then they can terrorize the Snowflake for being the worst pet owner in Westeros. Called that long ago…
Besides:
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Post by President Ackbar™ on May 6, 2019 17:22:43 GMT
Horrible.
This show is only a shadow of it's former self.
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Post by movieliker on May 6, 2019 17:51:21 GMT
The Bronn stuff was stupid. It made no sense whatsoever. I don't agree with that. Bronn has always been only concerned with himself. He just works for the highest bidder. Cersei gave him an offer. And now he is going to the other side shopping for the best deal. Seems consistent.
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Post by movieliker on May 6, 2019 17:52:54 GMT
The Bronn stuff was stupid. It made no sense whatsoever. Him slapping Tyrion felt out of place. As did his open arrival in Winterfell. I don't agree with that. Bronn has always been only concerned with himself. He just works for the highest bidder. Cersei gave him an offer. And now he is going to the other side shopping for the best deal. Seems consistent.
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Post by movieliker on May 6, 2019 17:55:16 GMT
The Bronn stuff was stupid. It made no sense whatsoever. Agreed. It flies in the face of his character progression through the previous 7 seasons. He starts out as a complete cutthroat but he develops into a friend who's already shown he's willing to put himself at risk to help both Jaime and Tyrion. Lately he's hidden behind his selfishness but there have been winks to that being a facade...like when he's talking with Tyrion before the meeting in the dragon pit. To go back to him being a cutthroat at this point in time for very little hope of a payoff, i might add, seems like a regression of character. I don't agree with that. Bronn has always been only concerned with himself. He just works for the highest bidder. Cersei gave him an offer. And now he is going to the other side shopping for the best deal. Seems consistent.
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Post by Aj_June on May 6, 2019 17:55:48 GMT
Him slapping Tyrion felt out of place. As did his open arrival in Winterfell. I don't agree with that. Bronn has always been only concerned with himself. He just works for the highest bidder. Cersei gave him an offer. And now he is going to the other side shopping for the best deal. Seems consistent. I am talking about his manners and not about his deal proposal. He would make jokes of Tyrion but not be so blunt. As a matter of fact he used to enjoy Tyrion's company and did so just a few episodes back.
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Post by Marv on May 6, 2019 18:04:03 GMT
Agreed. It flies in the face of his character progression through the previous 7 seasons. He starts out as a complete cutthroat but he develops into a friend who's already shown he's willing to put himself at risk to help both Jaime and Tyrion. Lately he's hidden behind his selfishness but there have been winks to that being a facade...like when he's talking with Tyrion before the meeting in the dragon pit. To go back to him being a cutthroat at this point in time for very little hope of a payoff, i might add, seems like a regression of character. I don't agree with that. Bronn has always been only concerned with himself. He just works for the highest bidder. Cersei gave him an offer. And now he is going to the other side shopping for the best deal. Seems consistent. I disagree. Bronn evolved past the point of mere cutthroat and sellsword. This move brings him back to that for what? Does he actually expect Cersei to give him a castle? Bronn used to be far more intelligent than that. Does he expect Tyrion or Jaime to give him a castle? No. It's a misuse of a character that should've been past this point by now.
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Post by Marendil on May 6, 2019 18:11:03 GMT
The Bronn stuff was stupid. It made no sense whatsoever. I don't agree with that. Bronn has always been only concerned with himself. He just works for the highest bidder. Cersei gave him an offer. And now he is going to the other side shopping for the best deal. Seems consistent. I liked that scene, especially the clout in the nose. Bronn did an awful lot for those two, but his big paydays--the ones he got to keep--have come from Cersei (or Qyburn in Cersei's name). It was awfully nice of him to give them a chance to finally pay him for all he did on their behalf.
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Post by Nightman on May 6, 2019 18:15:00 GMT
The Bronn stuff was stupid. It made no sense whatsoever. I'm not entirely sure Cersei had anything to do with his orders. It could have been Qyburn acting on his own. Unless I missed a scene, Cersei hasn't mentioned him this season.
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Post by movieliker on May 6, 2019 18:23:10 GMT
I don't agree with that. Bronn has always been only concerned with himself. He just works for the highest bidder. Cersei gave him an offer. And now he is going to the other side shopping for the best deal. Seems consistent. I am talking about his manners and not about his deal proposal. He would make jokes of Tyrion but not be so blunt. As a matter of fact he used to enjoy Tyrion's company and did so just a few episodes back. He was in a dangerous situation. He had to be blunt to quickly communicate "We need to get down to business. I am not fooling around here." Tyrion and Jamie have had a history of making light of dangerous situations and fooling around. Bronn wanted to get in and out quickly, and unnoticed.
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Post by movieliker on May 6, 2019 18:27:07 GMT
I don't agree with that. Bronn has always been only concerned with himself. He just works for the highest bidder. Cersei gave him an offer. And now he is going to the other side shopping for the best deal. Seems consistent. I disagree. Bronn evolved past the point of mere cutthroat and sellsword. This move brings him back to that for what? Does he actually expect Cersei to give him a castle? Bronn used to be far more intelligent than that. Does he expect Tyrion or Jaime to give him a castle? No. It's a misuse of a character that should've been past this point by now. He was in a dangerous situation. He had to be blunt to quickly communicate "We need to get down to business. I am not fooling around here." Tyrion and Jamie have had a history of making light of dangerous situations and fooling around. Bronn wanted to get in and out quickly, and unnoticed.
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Post by Marv on May 6, 2019 18:32:47 GMT
I disagree. Bronn evolved past the point of mere cutthroat and sellsword. This move brings him back to that for what? Does he actually expect Cersei to give him a castle? Bronn used to be far more intelligent than that. Does he expect Tyrion or Jaime to give him a castle? No. It's a misuse of a character that should've been past this point by now. He was in a dangerous situation. He had to be blunt to quickly communicate "We need to get down to business. I am not fooling around here." Tyrion and Jamie have had a history of making light of dangerous situations and fooling around. Bronn wanted to get in and out quickly and unnoticed. Im saying the fact that he's there in the first place is regressing the character. And honestly rather foolish when Bronn rarely seemed to be downright foolish before. His response of 'this f-cking family' or whatever was spot on. He knew then that there was no way he'd come out on top of this situation. Better off staying with those whores.
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Post by Aj_June on May 6, 2019 18:34:39 GMT
I am talking about his manners and not about his deal proposal. He would make jokes of Tyrion but not be so blunt. As a matter of fact he used to enjoy Tyrion's company and did so just a few episodes back. He was in a dangerous situation. He had to be blunt to quickly communicate "We need to get down to business. I am not fooling around here." Tyrion and Jamie have had a history of making light of dangerous situations and fooling around. Bronn wanted to get in and out quickly and unnoticed. That's not a way and simply unrealistic. If you believe one gets to nose bleed a person in a position of power that easily then I don't know what to say. The second most powerful person in the seven kingdoms and another person who doesn't take fuck from anyone. The fact that the both of those persons he was being rude to might be on opposite sides (Jaime & Tyrion) further makes that totally stupid. It was just an attempt to make him look cool. That was out of character for him and inconsistent. And the fact is that almost everyone always enjoys Bronn irrespective of which house they root for. But it didn't happen in this case as evident from so many people finding his scene not so entertaining.
Further as mentioned by Merv, Bronn should know better that he can't get the second richest region in the seven kingdoms. Do you know what is the Reach? It is the most fertile region of the seven kingdoms and richer than most of the other administrative regions and home to Oldtown & Citadel. He can't be made Lord of the Reach. And he should know it. It was simply unrealistic.
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Post by Aj_June on May 6, 2019 18:36:30 GMT
He was in a dangerous situation. He had to be blunt to quickly communicate "We need to get down to business. I am not fooling around here." Tyrion and Jamie have had a history of making light of dangerous situations and fooling around. Bronn wanted to get in and out quickly and unnoticed. Im saying the fact that he's there in the first place is regressing the character. And honestly rather foolish when Bronn rarely seemed to be downright foolish before. His response of 'this f-cking family' or whatever was spot on. He knew then that there was no way he'd come out on top of this situation. Better off staying with those whores. I think you made a good point that he should know better that he can't be the Lord of The Reach. That is worth more than 2 or 3 other regions combined.
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Post by movieliker on May 6, 2019 18:54:15 GMT
He was in a dangerous situation. He had to be blunt to quickly communicate "We need to get down to business. I am not fooling around here." Tyrion and Jamie have had a history of making light of dangerous situations and fooling around. Bronn wanted to get in and out quickly and unnoticed. Im saying the fact that he's there in the first place is regressing the character. And honestly rather foolish when Bronn rarely seemed to be downright foolish before. His response of 'this f-cking family' or whatever was spot on. He knew then that there was no way he'd come out on top of this situation. Better off staying with those whores. How is that regressing his character? He has never cared about anybody except himself. He doesn't care about the Starks, the Lannisters, or the Targaryens. He has always gone with what helps him. He just wants what is good for him. He has never been different. He's is, and always has been, a "Gun for Hire". He will work for anybody as long as he gets paid.
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Post by movieliker on May 6, 2019 19:00:32 GMT
He was in a dangerous situation. He had to be blunt to quickly communicate "We need to get down to business. I am not fooling around here." Tyrion and Jamie have had a history of making light of dangerous situations and fooling around. Bronn wanted to get in and out quickly and unnoticed. That's not a way and simply unrealistic. If you believe one gets to nose bleed a person in a position of power that easily then I don't know what to say. The second most powerful person in the seven kingdoms and another person who doesn't take fuck from anyone. The fact that the both of those persons he was being rude to might be on opposite sides (Jaime & Tyrion) further makes that totally stupid. It was just an attempt to make him look cool. That was out of character for him and inconsistent. And the fact is that almost everyone always enjoys Bronn irrespective of which house they root for. But it didn't happen in this case as evident from so many people finding his scene not so entertaining.
Further as mentioned by Merv, Bronn should know better that he can't get the second richest region in the seven kingdoms. Do you know what is the Reach? It is the most fertile region of the seven kingdoms and richer than most of the other administrative regions and home to Oldtown & Citadel. He can't be made Lord of the Reach. And he should know it. It was simply unrealistic.
Good point. But so what? Tyrion has made stupid deals before. He might have been thinking "Bronn could get killed. Then what difference would it make?" "Even if he survives, I could get killed. Once again, then what difference would it make?" "Even if we both survive, Bronn would take something else rather than just kill me." Tyrion has done this before. Thinking he can talk or think his way out later on, if and when they cross that bridge.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 6, 2019 19:07:26 GMT
The Bronn stuff was stupid. It made no sense whatsoever. I don't agree with that. Bronn has always been only concerned with himself. He just works for the highest bidder. Cersei gave him an offer. And now he is going to the other side shopping for the best deal. Seems consistent. its not even about that although that’s part of it. The premise is silly. Tyrion would need to inform Dany of the promise to Bronn of Highgarden. Considering Bronn is double crossing everyone why wouldn’t he just assume that he is going to get double crossed over a prize so big? I would have preferred he just kill them or attempted to.
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Post by Aj_June on May 6, 2019 19:07:32 GMT
That's not a way and simply unrealistic. If you believe one gets to nose bleed a person in a position of power that easily then I don't know what to say. The second most powerful person in the seven kingdoms and another person who doesn't take fuck from anyone. The fact that the both of those persons he was being rude to might be on opposite sides (Jaime & Tyrion) further makes that totally stupid. It was just an attempt to make him look cool. That was out of character for him and inconsistent. And the fact is that almost everyone always enjoys Bronn irrespective of which house they root for. But it didn't happen in this case as evident from so many people finding his scene not so entertaining.
Further as mentioned by Merv, Bronn should know better that he can't get the second richest region in the seven kingdoms. Do you know what is the Reach? It is the most fertile region of the seven kingdoms and richer than most of the other administrative regions and home to Oldtown & Citadel. He can't be made Lord of the Reach. And he should know it. It was simply unrealistic.
Good point. But so what? Tyrion has made stupid deals before. He might have been thinking "Bronn could get killed. Then what difference would it make?" "Even if he survives, I could get killed. Once again, then what difference would it make?" "Even if we both survive, Bronn would take something else rather than just kill me." Tyrion has done this before. Thinking he can talk or think his way out later on, if and when they cross that bridge. My point is not that Tyrion was making a stupid deal. My point is that Bronn is an extremely intelligent person and he would know that what was offered to him was unattainable. As Tywin lannister had hinted before, you just can't do whatever you want. You have to pick someone from The Reach (one of the key noble families of that region) and you can only make them Lord of the Reach (Samwell Tarly qualifies for that because he is from a noble family of the Reach). If it was some minor landholding or small castle then it would be believable. But the Reach has like 20% of the whole economy of that continent and the highest population. Bronn would know that there is no way he gong to be the Lord of the Reach.
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Post by movieliker on May 6, 2019 19:35:17 GMT
I don't agree with that. Bronn has always been only concerned with himself. He just works for the highest bidder. Cersei gave him an offer. And now he is going to the other side shopping for the best deal. Seems consistent. its not even about that although that’s part of it. The premise is silly. Tyrion would need to inform Dany of the promise to Bronn of Highgarden. Considering Bronn is double crossing everyone why wouldn’t he just assume that he is going to get double crossed over a prize so big? I would have preferred he just kill them or attempted to. Good point. But so what? Tyrion has made stupid deals before. He might have been thinking "Bronn could get killed. Then what difference would it make?" "Even if he survives, I could get killed. Once again, then what difference would it make?" "Even if we both survive, Bronn would take something else rather than just kill me." Tyrion has done this before. Thinking he can talk or think his way out later on, if and when they cross that bridge.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 6, 2019 19:37:18 GMT
The Bronn stuff was stupid. It made no sense whatsoever. I'm not entirely sure Cersei had anything to do with his orders. It could have been Qyburn acting on his own. Unless I missed a scene, Cersei hasn't mentioned him this season. I agree but it’s Bronn’s actions that are the problem with this. I can live with him being ruthless but not with being stupid.
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