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Post by Aj_June on May 6, 2019 14:13:20 GMT
It finally dawned on me that D&D are trying to do the Dance of Dragons 2.0. Cramming it in two and a half episodes is a stupid idea, but they were hellbent on rushing the show so they can fade into obscurity sooner. Jon is Aegon, obviously. Sansa is taking on Arianne's role, which explains a helluva lot. Book Sansa won't do anything, so they combined her with someone who will. That explains why she hates Dany for no reason, they are shoehorning her into somebody else's place. Varys was always Team Aegon. Tyrion is torn between them. This episode confirmed a few more book details for me. Jon will give Ghost to Val. He says at one point that they look like they belong together. I know he won't die in the books, because he survived in the show, and this show loves murdering direwolves. Dany will only have Drogon at the end. The other dragons may not die, but others will steal them. The show just doesn't want to spend time animating them anymore. In the trailer for next week, when Euron looks up at the sky in fear, that doesn't sound like Drogon's roar. It sounded more like Viserion or Rhaegal. A lot of people are claiming he is seeing Drogon in armor. I don't remember the show alluding to that at all. It did set up Rhaegal's return with Euron's uncertainty if he was really dead. If Arya can survive a thousand stabbings by whatsherface, then Rhaegal can take a few arrows and go for a quick swim. What I wouldn't give for Rhaegal to return as a dragon version of Patchface, a fooked up Lovecraftian horror sent back by the Drowned god. After it's all over, he can go scoop up Ghost, then they can terrorize the Snowflake for being the worst pet owner in Westeros. Welcome back! Nice post.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 6, 2019 14:15:17 GMT
It finally dawned on me that D&D are trying to do the Dance of Dragons 2.0. Cramming it in two and a half episodes is a stupid idea, but they were hellbent on rushing the show so they can fade into obscurity sooner. Jon is Aegon, obviously. Sansa is taking on Arianne's role, which explains a helluva lot. Book Sansa won't do anything, so they combined her with someone who will. That explains why she hates Dany for no reason, they are shoehorning her into somebody else's place. Varys was always Team Aegon. Tyrion is torn between them. This episode confirmed a few more book details for me. Jon will give Ghost to Val. He says at one point that they look like they belong together. I know he won't die in the books, because he survived in the show, and this show loves murdering direwolves. Dany will only have Drogon at the end. The other dragons may not die, but others will steal them. The show just doesn't want to spend time animating them anymore. In the trailer for next week, when Euron looks up at the sky in fear, that doesn't sound like Drogon's roar. It sounded more like Viserion or Rhaegal. A lot of people are claiming he is seeing Drogon in armor. I don't remember the show alluding to that at all. It did set up Rhaegal's return with Euron's uncertainty if he was really dead. If Arya can survive a thousand stabbings by whatsherface, then Rhaegal can take a few arrows and go for a quick swim. What I wouldn't give for Rhaegal to return as a dragon version of Patchface, a fooked up Lovecraftian horror sent back by the Drowned god. After it's all over, he can go scoop up Ghost, then they can terrorize the Snowflake for being the worst pet owner in Westeros. Nightman she doesnt hate dany for no reason , shes has valid reasons she sees right through her manipulations her way of tyrrant ruling sansa doesnt want that last nights episodeonly two people cared for the well being of all people and expressed concerned sansa and varys believe it or not , and last reason sansa not liking or hating dany , sansa is in love with jon snow and it is pretty obvious .
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Post by Nightman on May 6, 2019 14:27:18 GMT
It finally dawned on me that D&D are trying to do the Dance of Dragons 2.0. Cramming it in two and a half episodes is a stupid idea, but they were hellbent on rushing the show so they can fade into obscurity sooner. Jon is Aegon, obviously. Sansa is taking on Arianne's role, which explains a helluva lot. Book Sansa won't do anything, so they combined her with someone who will. That explains why she hates Dany for no reason, they are shoehorning her into somebody else's place. Varys was always Team Aegon. Tyrion is torn between them. This episode confirmed a few more book details for me. Jon will give Ghost to Val. He says at one point that they look like they belong together. I know he won't die in the books, because he survived in the show, and this show loves murdering direwolves. Dany will only have Drogon at the end. The other dragons may not die, but others will steal them. The show just doesn't want to spend time animating them anymore. In the trailer for next week, when Euron looks up at the sky in fear, that doesn't sound like Drogon's roar. It sounded more like Viserion or Rhaegal. A lot of people are claiming he is seeing Drogon in armor. I don't remember the show alluding to that at all. It did set up Rhaegal's return with Euron's uncertainty if he was really dead. If Arya can survive a thousand stabbings by whatsherface, then Rhaegal can take a few arrows and go for a quick swim. What I wouldn't give for Rhaegal to return as a dragon version of Patchface, a fooked up Lovecraftian horror sent back by the Drowned god. After it's all over, he can go scoop up Ghost, then they can terrorize the Snowflake for being the worst pet owner in Westeros. Nightman she doesnt hate dany for no reason , shes has valid reasons she sees right through her manipulations her way of tyrrant ruling sansa doesnt want that last nights episodeonly two people cared for the well being of all people and expressed concerned sansa and varys believe it or not , and last reason sansa not liking or hating dany , sansa is in love with jon snow and it is pretty obvious . Dany hasn't really done anything wrong. Sansa was displaying that good old-fashioned Northern xenophobia. It has been clear that Sansa is jealous of Dany.
When she glared up at the dragons and asked, “Why her?” I started to wonder if you are right, she is in love with Jon. Can't think of any other reason she would say that. That poor guy can't find a girl who isn't related to him.
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Post by Nightman on May 6, 2019 14:28:02 GMT
It finally dawned on me that D&D are trying to do the Dance of Dragons 2.0. Cramming it in two and a half episodes is a stupid idea, but they were hellbent on rushing the show so they can fade into obscurity sooner. Jon is Aegon, obviously. Sansa is taking on Arianne's role, which explains a helluva lot. Book Sansa won't do anything, so they combined her with someone who will. That explains why she hates Dany for no reason, they are shoehorning her into somebody else's place. Varys was always Team Aegon. Tyrion is torn between them. This episode confirmed a few more book details for me. Jon will give Ghost to Val. He says at one point that they look like they belong together. I know he won't die in the books, because he survived in the show, and this show loves murdering direwolves. Dany will only have Drogon at the end. The other dragons may not die, but others will steal them. The show just doesn't want to spend time animating them anymore. In the trailer for next week, when Euron looks up at the sky in fear, that doesn't sound like Drogon's roar. It sounded more like Viserion or Rhaegal. A lot of people are claiming he is seeing Drogon in armor. I don't remember the show alluding to that at all. It did set up Rhaegal's return with Euron's uncertainty if he was really dead. If Arya can survive a thousand stabbings by whatsherface, then Rhaegal can take a few arrows and go for a quick swim. What I wouldn't give for Rhaegal to return as a dragon version of Patchface, a fooked up Lovecraftian horror sent back by the Drowned god. After it's all over, he can go scoop up Ghost, then they can terrorize the Snowflake for being the worst pet owner in Westeros. Welcome back! Nice post. Never really left. I've been creepily watching this board Bran-style.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 6, 2019 14:29:09 GMT
Nightman she doesnt hate dany for no reason , shes has valid reasons she sees right through her manipulations her way of tyrrant ruling sansa doesnt want that last nights episodeonly two people cared for the well being of all people and expressed concerned sansa and varys believe it or not , and last reason sansa not liking or hating dany , sansa is in love with jon snow and it is pretty obvious . Dany hasn't really done anything wrong. Sansa was displaying that good old-fashioned Northern xenophobia. It has been clear that Sansa is jealous of Dany.
When she glared up at the dragons and asked, “Why her?” I started to wonder if you are right, she is in love with Jon. Can't think of any other reason she would say that. That poor guy can't find a girl who isn't related to him. Exactly my point there isnt any other reason she would say that .
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Post by Aj_June on May 6, 2019 14:30:19 GMT
Never really left. I've been creepily watching this board Bran-style. That dude has been creepy as fuck. A voyeur who watches his sis on her wedding and tells her she looked very beautiful. He gives one liners that give chills to even the likes of Ser Jaime. But to be honest I have enjoyed his role so far this season.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 6, 2019 14:39:04 GMT
then they can terrorize the Snowflake for being the worst pet owner in Westeros. Called that long ago…
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 6, 2019 14:40:48 GMT
Nightman she doesnt hate dany for no reason , shes has valid reasons she sees right through her manipulations her way of tyrrant ruling sansa doesnt want that last nights episodeonly two people cared for the well being of all people and expressed concerned sansa and varys believe it or not , and last reason sansa not liking or hating dany , sansa is in love with jon snow and it is pretty obvious . Dany hasn't really done anything wrong. Now you go fuck yourself. Another dumbshit here.
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Post by Nightman on May 6, 2019 14:49:08 GMT
Dany hasn't really done anything wrong. Now you go fuck yourself. Another dumbshit here. Make me.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 6, 2019 15:30:23 GMT
Now you go fuck yourself. Another dumbshit here. Damnit Leo, be nice. I am trying to keep this place clean. You should help.
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Post by movieliker on May 6, 2019 15:51:06 GMT
I don't remember Grey Worm agreeing with Dany. If he did, it was probably out of allegiance to his queen. Jon has on more than one occasion made dumb battle strategy. Daenerys seems to be losing her head. Reacting out of emotion. Not thinking objectively. Sansa has been growing as an adult and leader since the beginning of the show. He didn't object, that's what I was getting at. He isn't serving his queen if he fails to give an honest analysis, he's sandbagging her.
Actually Jon's strategy at the Battle of the Bastards was fine, they had trenches dug on the flanks and plans to lure Ramsey in and envelop them, it was his execution that was lacking. By which I mean he totally lost his shorts and charged the Bolton lines when Rickon was toyed with and killed.
Daenerys hasn't lost it yet, despite extreme provocation, but it won't surprise me if the next episode is entitled "Dracarys."
Sansa is and I like her too, it's just curious that some would assume she'd was right about this when the others with experience in these matters didn't back her up. It sounds reasonable, but sometimes getting there sooner is more important than having the most numbers when you do. The ones that can't keep up can catch up later, why not get the healthiest into play as soon as possible?
Also I don't think Sansa is a blabby teenager, I think she deliberately tried to sow dissent in Dany's ranks by telling Tyrion of Jon's heritage because despite all Dany did for the North, Sansa sees her as a threat to the Starks. She also thinks Jon would be far easier to manage....
I cannot remember specifics. I streamed the first 7 seasons last year. I just remember --- confirmed by many --- that Jon was not a good battle strategist. (He is not particularly smart in general.) What would you think is the benefit of marching right down to King's Landing? What would be consequential about waiting a few weeks to rest and heal one's troops? And while I have you, why were the Starks so loving towards Theon Greyjoy? Didn't he do horrible things to Winterfell and the Starks in earlier seasons? |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 6, 2019 16:10:24 GMT
The Bronn stuff was stupid.
It made no sense whatsoever.
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Post by Aj_June on May 6, 2019 16:14:21 GMT
The Bronn stuff was stupid. It made no sense whatsoever. Him slapping Tyrion felt out of place. As did his open arrival in Winterfell.
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Post by Troyal1 on May 6, 2019 16:26:55 GMT
Pretty awful tbh. Again most of the character stuff is nice. But they just can’t help but botch everything else. The logic is completely missing. No idea why Dany would meet with Cersei after seeing her dragon get massacred. And I have no idea why Cersei did not open fire and end the war in a matter of minutes. Just one example of something I didn’t like. It’s definitely a failure of a season for me. Everything I liked about the show died. Glad you guys like it though edit: also fuck Jon for hating ghost. That enraged me. Dany met with Cersei so she could say she offered terms that would have prevented further bloodshed.
They weren't about to leave the walls of King's Landing and risk being ambushed.
Jon was leaving the North behind, that's what he hated.
Not sure what you mean by leave the walls. The walls have scorpion bolts all over them and hundreds of archers. Drogon was clearly in range. Cersei most certainly had a good chance to kill them
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Post by Troyal1 on May 6, 2019 16:29:29 GMT
Pretty awful tbh. Again most of the character stuff is nice. But they just can’t help but botch everything else. The logic is completely missing. No idea why Dany would meet with Cersei after seeing her dragon get massacred. And I have no idea why Cersei did not open fire and end the war in a matter of minutes. Just one example of something I didn’t like. It’s definitely a failure of a season for me. Everything I liked about the show died. Glad you guys like it though edit: also fuck Jon for hating ghost. That enraged me. that was so un-jon thing to do ? giving ghost up like that to tormund i know tormund is a friend but still .... but lets have some faith troyal i think this is political jon we are viewing 100% with dany and i think he is shunning his stark side for a reason also he may not want ghost hurt in the upcoming battle he was already hurt. I don’t care that he left them. I care about how bad he’s treated him. He put him on the front line knowing he would die or that he had a good chance. And he didn’t even say goodbye to him. It’s so cold.
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Post by Marv on May 6, 2019 16:31:21 GMT
The Bronn stuff was stupid. It made no sense whatsoever. Agreed. It flies in the face of his character progression through the previous 7 seasons. He starts out as a complete cutthroat but he develops into a friend who's already shown he's willing to put himself at risk to help both Jaime and Tyrion. Lately he's hidden behind his selfishness but there have been winks to that being a facade...like when he's talking with Tyrion before the meeting in the dragon pit. To go back to him being a cutthroat at this point in time for very little hope of a payoff, i might add, seems like a regression of character.
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Post by Marendil on May 6, 2019 16:46:11 GMT
He didn't object, that's what I was getting at. He isn't serving his queen if he fails to give an honest analysis, he's sandbagging her.
Actually Jon's strategy at the Battle of the Bastards was fine, they had trenches dug on the flanks and plans to lure Ramsey in and envelop them, it was his execution that was lacking. By which I mean he totally lost his shorts and charged the Bolton lines when Rickon was toyed with and killed.
Daenerys hasn't lost it yet, despite extreme provocation, but it won't surprise me if the next episode is entitled "Dracarys."
Sansa is and I like her too, it's just curious that some would assume she'd was right about this when the others with experience in these matters didn't back her up. It sounds reasonable, but sometimes getting there sooner is more important than having the most numbers when you do. The ones that can't keep up can catch up later, why not get the healthiest into play as soon as possible?
Also I don't think Sansa is a blabby teenager, I think she deliberately tried to sow dissent in Dany's ranks by telling Tyrion of Jon's heritage because despite all Dany did for the North, Sansa sees her as a threat to the Starks. She also thinks Jon would be far easier to manage....
I cannot remember specifics. I streamed the first 7 seasons last year. I just remember --- confirmed by many --- that Jon was not a good battle strategist. (He is not particularly smart in general.) What would you think is the benefit of marching right down to King's Landing? What would be consequential about waiting a few weeks to rest and heal one's troops? And while I have you, why were the Starks so loving towards Theon Greyjoy? Didn't he do horrible things to Winterfell and the Starks in earlier seasons? He didn't follow his strategy in the largest battle before the AoD he fought in, he charged the enemy enraged by the death of Rickon because he is a real dumbass sometimes, that is true.
Three more weeks for Euron to ferry troops and food as well as Cersei to regain and consolidate her hold over the Seven Kingdoms. Plus three more weeks for the victory glow and gratitude to fade and the Army of the North to think of reasons it would rather disperse and go home like Lord Glover did. That could lead to unpleasantness best avoided.
Sansa and Jon weren't so loving at first but neither were there for what happened and Bran is a Vulcan now. Theon helped Sansa escape Ramsey Bolton and was an ally of Daenerys so he was eventually forgiven as he did grow up as officially their prisoner/hostage and owed allegiance to the Ironborn as he was their heir.
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Post by Marv on May 6, 2019 16:53:06 GMT
He didn't object, that's what I was getting at. He isn't serving his queen if he fails to give an honest analysis, he's sandbagging her.
Actually Jon's strategy at the Battle of the Bastards was fine, they had trenches dug on the flanks and plans to lure Ramsey in and envelop them, it was his execution that was lacking. By which I mean he totally lost his shorts and charged the Bolton lines when Rickon was toyed with and killed.
Daenerys hasn't lost it yet, despite extreme provocation, but it won't surprise me if the next episode is entitled "Dracarys."
Sansa is and I like her too, it's just curious that some would assume she'd was right about this when the others with experience in these matters didn't back her up. It sounds reasonable, but sometimes getting there sooner is more important than having the most numbers when you do. The ones that can't keep up can catch up later, why not get the healthiest into play as soon as possible?
Also I don't think Sansa is a blabby teenager, I think she deliberately tried to sow dissent in Dany's ranks by telling Tyrion of Jon's heritage because despite all Dany did for the North, Sansa sees her as a threat to the Starks. She also thinks Jon would be far easier to manage....
I cannot remember specifics. I streamed the first 7 seasons last year. I just remember --- confirmed by many --- that Jon was not a good battle strategist. (He is not particularly smart in general.) What would you think is the benefit of marching right down to King's Landing? What would be consequential about waiting a few weeks to rest and heal one's troops? And while I have you, why were the Starks so loving towards Theon Greyjoy? Didn't he do horrible things to Winterfell and the Starks in earlier seasons? Re: Theon...its just Sansa that is emotional toward Theon. Reason being is they both survived the torture that was Ramsay Bolton. At least that's what i assume. I don't think they show any other Stark overly emotional toward Theon, outside of Jon being pissed at him last season.
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Post by Marv on May 6, 2019 16:55:20 GMT
Turns out there was a present day coffee cup on the table during the feast scenes. lol  |
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Post by Nightman on May 6, 2019 17:05:55 GMT
Turns out there was a present day coffee cup on the table during the feast scenes. lol Coffee, the fuel of the undead. Just like in real life.
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