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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Apr 30, 2019 13:41:36 GMT
It was heavily foreshadowed that she will burn Varys at some point ,
she promised him if he ever betrayed her she will burn him
Melisandre told varys he would die too
and since Varys didnt die at the long night battle im thinking dany will burn him
i think this may be the breaking point or turning point for tyrion
and see her for what she really is , this was also heavily foreshadowed by Jamie asking
tyrion when he arrived at winterfell IF he believes she is the right one to rule
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Post by Winter_King on Apr 30, 2019 13:49:55 GMT
Varys will die at some point but I don't recall the foreshadowing about Dany burning Varys. When did this happened?
But if Varys changes his allegiance from Dany to Jon, that might happen.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Apr 30, 2019 14:05:14 GMT
Varys will die at some point but I don't recall the foreshadowing about Dany burning Varys. When did this happened? But if Varys changes his allegiance from Dany to Jon, that might happen. It happened S7 episode 2 it may not even be a betrayal from varys part could be she just thinks it dany often looses her temper and jumps to conclusions but i do think jon will follow dany to dragonstone next episode he has no choice he is kinda dragged in this war now against cersei so while there varys/tyrion may see how jons way of rulling may be more logical than danys and they back him more than her i also think dany may not let jon ride her dragons again because jon is seen in epsiode 4 trailer leaving winterfell on a horse
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Post by Winter_King on Apr 30, 2019 14:09:03 GMT
Varys will die at some point but I don't recall the foreshadowing about Dany burning Varys. When did this happened? But if Varys changes his allegiance from Dany to Jon, that might happen. It happened S7 episode 2 it may not even be a betrayal from varys part could be she just thinks it dany often looses her temper and jumps to conclusions but i do think jon will follow dany to dragonstone next episode he has no choice he is kinda dragged in this war now against cersei so while there varys/tyrion may see how jons way of rulling may be more logical than danys and they back him more than her I didn't remember the scene. That might be because Rhaegal was hurt during the battle.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Apr 30, 2019 14:12:29 GMT
It happened S7 episode 2 it may not even be a betrayal from varys part could be she just thinks it dany often looses her temper and jumps to conclusions but i do think jon will follow dany to dragonstone next episode he has no choice he is kinda dragged in this war now against cersei so while there varys/tyrion may see how jons way of rulling may be more logical than danys and they back him more than her I didn't remember the scene. That might be because Rhaegal was hurt during the battle. yes that could be too ,i heard his wing was hurt even though it looked like he was bitten at his neck but will see .
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Apr 30, 2019 15:20:43 GMT
Lets hope its Cersei
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Post by bluerisk on Apr 30, 2019 15:23:26 GMT
Since it was asked for next: Euron would do for me.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 30, 2019 18:32:28 GMT
Yes, Varys will be gone too, if only to balance out Littlefinger's death. The story will not choose one of both faces of the coin.
And since Sansa killed her "adviser", it would also fit that Daenerys would kill hers. Maybe she'll kill both.
I seriously think the story will not choose one winner over others. After years of having the audience passionately taking sides, it would be smart to leave them all sort of satisfied because no one truly won. So it will either end with survivors ruling their own part of a fragmented Westeros, like Sansa in the North and Cersei in the South, or none of them will keep such positions and the authors would come up with some pseudo-democratic shite, exiling Cersei and sending Sansa back to her needles.
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Post by shinnickneth on Apr 30, 2019 18:47:16 GMT
Possible book spoiler, so only read my response if you don't mind: I don't think Dany will kill Cersei at all. There's a 3rd part to Cersei's prophecy that was omitted from the show. It's stated that she'll die at the hands of the Valonqar (translates to "younger brother"). There's a lot of foreshadowing in the books and a few in the show that Jaime is the Valonqar. Before anyone says it though... I know that it doesn't necessarily mean Jaime. "Valonqar" can mean Tyrion or any other younger brother in Westeros, but I just have a strong feeling it will be Jaime who does her in. It will also be a mirror of when he had to stab the Mad King in the back to save everyone in King's Landing - he'll have to do it to Cersei too for the same reason.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 30, 2019 18:57:28 GMT
I don't think Dany will kill Cersei at all. There's a 3rd part to Cersei's prophecy that was omitted from the show. It's stated that she'll die at the hands of the Valonqar (translates to "younger brother"). There's a lot of foreshadowing in the books and a few in the show that Jaime is the Valonqar. Before anyone says it though... I know that it doesn't necessarily mean Jaime. "Valonqar" can mean Tyrion or any other younger brother in Westeros, but I just have a strong feeling it will be Jaime who does her in. It will also be a mirror of when he had to stab the Mad King in the back to save everyone in King's Landing - he'll have to do it to Cersei too for the same reason. Book idiots still have to understand that prophecies don't come true. That's why the show leaves them out, by the way.
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Post by shinnickneth on Apr 30, 2019 20:25:43 GMT
Book idiots still have to understand that prophecies don't come true. That's why the show leaves them out, by the way. If you're not going to contribute anything of substance, don't even bother responding to me.
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Post by Marv on Apr 30, 2019 20:31:44 GMT
Possible book spoiler, so only read my response if you don't mind: I don't think Dany will kill Cersei at all. There's a 3rd part to Cersei's prophecy that was omitted from the show. It's stated that she'll die at the hands of the Valonqar (translates to "younger brother"). There's a lot of foreshadowing in the books and a few in the show that Jaime is the Valonqar. Before anyone says it though... I know that it doesn't necessarily mean Jaime. "Valonqar" can mean Tyrion or any other younger brother in Westeros, but I just have a strong feeling it will be Jaime who does her in. It will also be a mirror of when he had to stab the Mad King in the back to save everyone in King's Landing - he'll have to do it to Cersei too for the same reason. That would make sense...but in all honesty these writers have just shown theyre willing to forgo the obviously satisfying in order to throw in a surprise moment even if it's at the cost of a perfectly good story. I feel like I don't even know what to expect right now because logic doesn't seem to be a factor.
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Post by bluerisk on Apr 30, 2019 20:46:37 GMT
Possible book spoiler, so only read my response if you don't mind: I don't think Dany will kill Cersei at all. There's a 3rd part to Cersei's prophecy that was omitted from the show. It's stated that she'll die at the hands of the Valonqar (translates to "younger brother"). There's a lot of foreshadowing in the books and a few in the show that Jaime is the Valonqar. Before anyone says it though... I know that it doesn't necessarily mean Jaime. "Valonqar" can mean Tyrion or any other younger brother in Westeros, but I just have a strong feeling it will be Jaime who does her in. It will also be a mirror of when he had to stab the Mad King in the back to save everyone in King's Landing - he'll have to do it to Cersei too for the same reason. It was made clear in the show that it doesn't mean younger brother, but younger sibling (no gender)...it could be Arya, Sana...everyone who is not a first born.
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Post by Marendil on Apr 30, 2019 21:32:15 GMT
Possible book spoiler, so only read my response if you don't mind: I don't think Dany will kill Cersei at all. There's a 3rd part to Cersei's prophecy that was omitted from the show. It's stated that she'll die at the hands of the Valonqar (translates to "younger brother"). There's a lot of foreshadowing in the books and a few in the show that Jaime is the Valonqar. Before anyone says it though... I know that it doesn't necessarily mean Jaime. "Valonqar" can mean Tyrion or any other younger brother in Westeros, but I just have a strong feeling it will be Jaime who does her in. It will also be a mirror of when he had to stab the Mad King in the back to save everyone in King's Landing - he'll have to do it to Cersei too for the same reason. It was made clear in the show that it doesn't mean younger brother, but younger sibling (no gender)...it could be Arya, Sana...everyone who is not a first born. I thought they never mentioned that in the show? Maggie the Frog told her about her three children and Robert's twenty but nothing about the Valonqar. I suspect you're thinking of the 'Prince-that-was-Promised' prophecy where Missendei noted there was no gender to that noun in high Valyrian, so it could be a Princess.
Note at the moment she said that Arya was a princess--and might be again. I can't help but wonder if the reason Daenerys got such a rousing cheer in the preview clip from the Northerners is she'd already decided to grant their secession due to their valor against the Army of the Dead.
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Post by hehatesshe on Apr 30, 2019 21:38:46 GMT
Varys will die at some point but I don't recall the foreshadowing about Dany burning Varys. When did this happened? But if Varys changes his allegiance from Dany to Jon, that might happen. It happened S7 episode 2 could be she just thinks it dany often looses her temper and jumps to conclusions For all your hatred for her, you have a lot in common with the person you think Dany is. |
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Post by hehatesshe on Apr 30, 2019 21:41:01 GMT
I don't think Dany will kill Cersei at all. There's a 3rd part to Cersei's prophecy that was omitted from the show. It's stated that she'll die at the hands of the Valonqar (translates to "younger brother"). There's a lot of foreshadowing in the books and a few in the show that Jaime is the Valonqar. Before anyone says it though... I know that it doesn't necessarily mean Jaime. "Valonqar" can mean Tyrion or any other younger brother in Westeros, but I just have a strong feeling it will be Jaime who does her in. It will also be a mirror of when he had to stab the Mad King in the back to save everyone in King's Landing - he'll have to do it to Cersei too for the same reason. Book idiots still have to understand that prophecies don't come true. That's why the show leaves them out, by the way. Except everything the Red Woman told Arya came true. As did her death. |
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 1, 2019 1:53:01 GMT
Yes, Varys will be gone too, if only to balance out Littlefinger's death. The story will not choose one of both faces of the coin. And since Sansa killed her "adviser", it would also fit that Daenerys would kill hers. Maybe she'll kill both. I seriously think the story will not choose one winner over others. After years of having the audience passionately taking sides, it would be smart to leave them all sort of satisfied because no one truly won. So it will either end with survivors ruling their own part of a fragmented Westeros, like Sansa in the North and Cersei in the South, or none of them will keep such positions and the authors would come up with some pseudo-democratic shite, exiling Cersei and sending Sansa back to her needles. thats a good connection between sansas advisor and danys
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 1, 2019 1:56:30 GMT
It happened S7 episode 2 could be she just thinks it dany often looses her temper and jumps to conclusions For all your hatred for her, you have a lot in common with the person you think Dany is. for gods sake give it a rest shes a fictional character , you dont even know me, personal insults wont help dany win the throne its not hatred its facts everything i posted is backed up by footage fact is that is what dany does burns people and fact is she already warned varys
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 1, 2019 2:06:08 GMT
It was made clear in the show that it doesn't mean younger brother, but younger sibling (no gender)...it could be Arya, Sana...everyone who is not a first born. I thought they never mentioned that in the show? Maggie the Frog told her about her three children and Robert's twenty but nothing about the Valonqar. I suspect you're thinking of the 'Prince-that-was-Promised' prophecy where Missendei noted there was no gender to that noun in high Valyrian, so it could be a Princess.
Note at the moment she said that Arya was a princess--and might be again. I can't help but wonder if the reason Daenerys got such a rousing cheer in the preview clip from the Northerners is she'd already decided to grant their secession due to their valor against the Army of the Dead.
and maggie the frog was wrong , she was wrong about how many children she would have, cersei had 4 children her firstborn died ,maggie only mentioned three , and currently cersei is pregnant with child #5 and i wonder when she told her you will be queen for a while until another comes to cast you down ,... if that was meant first time around when she was queen wife of robert baratheon ,cersei has been queen twice now so the casting down part could have been by margery tyrell tommens wife , cersei was thrown in prison , was tortured and had to do a walk of shame i would consider that the casting down part of maggies prophecy .
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 1, 2019 2:08:07 GMT
it wont be at least not by dany story could very well end with cersei remaining queen
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