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Post by poutinep on Jul 4, 2019 3:13:24 GMT
Yes, the Enterprise crew had to create an aquarium tank on the ship that was large enough to hold 2 humpback whales as well as thousands of pounds of water. The same way that 1985 Marty can find out who wins Super Bowl 50 in February 2016 by traveling to February 2016.
"But, but, but . . . 1985 Marty can't travel to February 2016 because 2016 hasn't happened yet for 1985 Marty." LOL!!!
So 1985 Marty can travel to October 2015 (which hasn't happened yet for 1985 Marty) but 1985 Marty can't travel to February 2016 (which hasn't happened yet for 1985 Marty). That's basically what you're saying when you say 2014 Nebula can't access 2023 Nebula's memories at the end of the movie because they haven't happened yet. LOL!!!Like I've explained many times before (and which you and many other MCU fans just don't seem to understand this simple concept), 1985 Marty can travel to October 2015 or February 2016 or even later because those are all just future points in time to 1985 Marty. Similarly, 2014 Nebula can access 2023 Nebula's memories an hour into the movie (when the Avengers are trying to retrieve the stones in the past) or 2023 Nebula's memories at the end of the movie (when 2014 Thanos and his entire army is defeated in 2023) because those are all just future points in time to 2014 Nebula. Here's the key point: Time travel doesn't follow a linear or sequential path. Time travel is discrete so there's no such thing as "can't know that information because that hasn't happened yet" because the whole point of time travel is that a person can always travel to the discrete future point in time when that event happens or that information is known.
Think of the difference between watching a movie for the 1st time in a theater vs watching a movie on DVD. In a theater, when you've only seen the 1st hour of the movie, of course you don't know what happens at the end of the movie because you're watching the movie in a linear, sequential order. When watching a DVD, you can know what happens at the end of the movie even before you've watched the 1st 5 minutes of the movie.
Same with 2023 Nebula's memories. 2014 Nebula can access 2023 Nebula's memories at the end of the movie (just as easily as she can access 2023 Nebula's memories an hour into the movie) because both are just future points in time for 2014 Nebula and 2014 Nebula can access those memories at any point and in any random order the same way you can watch the end of a movie on DVD before watching the first hour of the movie.You gotta stop using Back to the Future for your arguments because Hulk made it clear, that Back to the Future time travel rules are bullshit. Therefore you're just spewing bullshit. And time travel DOES follow a linear or sequential path in ....wait for it....Endgame. Here's the beauty of time travel 1). It doesn't exist, and 2). Because it doesn't exist, you can make the rules, you can make your logic. But since you want the time travel in Endgame like it is Back to the Future, you're just going to repeat yourself like a total fucking loser. here's dcfan and the only kind of girlfriend he might ever have
except Fry is smarter and braver and has more integrity than dcfan
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 4, 2019 3:35:05 GMT
WRONG AGAIN!!! You're basically saying that if Marty was killed in a car accident in 1986, then he would never know who won the World Series in October 2015 because he died before the World Series in 2015 happened. LOL!!! Yes exactly. Dead people don't know what happens after they die. That's part of being dead...you stop learning stuff. 1985 Marty already found out who won the World Series in October 2015. So even if Marty was killed in a car accident in 1986, 1985 Marty already knew that information. Similarly, Nebula may have been killed 90 minutes into the movie, but at 60 minutes into the movie (and even 30 minutes into the movie and even 5 minutes into the movie), 2014 Nebula already knew that 2014 Thanos and his entire army would be defeated in 2023 because 2014 Nebula can access 2023 Nebula's memories at any point in time and doesn't have to wait for them to happen in the movie just like 1985 Marty didn't have to wait until October 2015 to find out who won the World Series in October 2015.2014 Nebula never lived at any point after Tony's snap, so there is no way she could have known it would happen. 1985 Marty could die in a traffic accident in 1986 and not lived to October 2015. But that doesn't change the fact that 1985 Marty already knows who won the World Series in October 2015. 2014 Nebula doesn't have to live to after Tony's snap because that's just a future point in time to 2014 Nebula just like the Avengers going back to the past to retrieve the stones is also a future point in time to 2014 Nebula. But 2014 Nebula knew in 2014 that the Avengers in 2023 went back to the past to retrieve the stones because 2014 Nebula can access 2023 Nebula's memories at any point in time. So 2014 Nebula also already knows in 2014 that 2014 Thanos and his entire army would travel to 2023 and be defeated in 2023 because 2014 Nebula can access 2023 Nebula's memories at any point in time. That means 2014 Thanos also already knows in 2014 that he and his entire army would be defeated in 2023. So 2014 Thanos wouldn't travel to 2023 and instead just travel to 2018 and kill Tony Stark right after Strange gave Thanos the time stone in 2018. So Strange's so-called "winning" scenario is actually a losing scenario and that's a HUGE PLOTHOLE in Endgame. no one just knows everything that's ever going to happen. Except when they can time travel. Then they can know the information at any time. So 1985 Marty can know who wins the World Series not only in 2015 but also in 2016 and 2017 and 2018 and many, many years after that. Because those are all just future points in time. Similarly, 2014 Nebula knows what happens an hour into the movie as well as at the end of the movie. Because those are just future points in time.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 4, 2019 3:45:56 GMT
Yes, the Enterprise crew had to create an aquarium tank on the ship that was large enough to hold 2 humpback whales as well as thousands of pounds of water. The same way that 1985 Marty can find out who wins Super Bowl 50 in February 2016 by traveling to February 2016.
"But, but, but . . . 1985 Marty can't travel to February 2016 because 2016 hasn't happened yet for 1985 Marty." LOL!!!
So 1985 Marty can travel to October 2015 (which hasn't happened yet for 1985 Marty) but 1985 Marty can't travel to February 2016 (which hasn't happened yet for 1985 Marty). That's basically what you're saying when you say 2014 Nebula can't access 2023 Nebula's memories at the end of the movie because they haven't happened yet. LOL!!!Like I've explained many times before (and which you and many other MCU fans just don't seem to understand this simple concept), 1985 Marty can travel to October 2015 or February 2016 or even later because those are all just future points in time to 1985 Marty. Similarly, 2014 Nebula can access 2023 Nebula's memories an hour into the movie (when the Avengers are trying to retrieve the stones in the past) or 2023 Nebula's memories at the end of the movie (when 2014 Thanos and his entire army is defeated in 2023) because those are all just future points in time to 2014 Nebula. Here's the key point: Time travel doesn't follow a linear or sequential path. Time travel is discrete so there's no such thing as "can't know that information because that hasn't happened yet" because the whole point of time travel is that a person can always travel to the discrete future point in time when that event happens or that information is known.
Think of the difference between watching a movie for the 1st time in a theater vs watching a movie on DVD. In a theater, when you've only seen the 1st hour of the movie, of course you don't know what happens at the end of the movie because you're watching the movie in a linear, sequential order. When watching a DVD, you can know what happens at the end of the movie even before you've watched the 1st 5 minutes of the movie.
Same with 2023 Nebula's memories. 2014 Nebula can access 2023 Nebula's memories at the end of the movie (just as easily as she can access 2023 Nebula's memories an hour into the movie) because both are just future points in time for 2014 Nebula and 2014 Nebula can access those memories at any point and in any random order the same way you can watch the end of a movie on DVD before watching the first hour of the movie.You gotta stop using Back to the Future for your arguments because Hulk made it clear, that Back to the Future time travel rules are bullshit. Therefore you're just spewing bullshit. And time travel DOES follow a linear or sequential path in ....wait for it....Endgame. Here's the beauty of time travel 1). It doesn't exist, and 2). Because it doesn't exist, you can make the rules, you can make your logic. But since you want the time travel in Endgame like it is Back to the Future, you're just going to repeat yourself like a total fucking loser. 1st, BTTF's rules aren't bullshit. It's Banner's rules that are bullshit. 2nd, no time travel does NOT follow a linear or sequential path. Did 1985 Marty have to travel to 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, and 2014 before traveling to 2015? Did 2014 Nebula have to access Nebula's memories in 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, and 2022 before accessing the 2023 memories? NO. Because time travel doesn't follow a linear or sequential path. That's the whole point of time travel. So that someone can just jump to a specific point in time without going to all the intermediate points in between!
Time travel is discrete. A time traveler can travel to any specific and discrete time in any random order, just like how you don't have to watch a movie on DVD from beginning to end and can watch a scene at the end of the movie before watching the first half of the movie.
And 2014 Nebula can access 2023 Nebula's memories at the end of the movie at any time, just like how you can watch a scene at the end of the movie on DVD at any time. This is such a simple concept, it's just astonishing how so many MCU fans still don't understand this simple concept.
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Post by blockbusted on Jul 4, 2019 4:11:16 GMT
Can anyone lock this thread? As if it was already pointless enough, DC-Fan hijacked it to spout tiring BS again.
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Post by poutinep on Jul 4, 2019 5:09:38 GMT
Can anyone lock this thread? As if it was already pointless enough, DC-Fan hijacked it to spout tiring BS again. he literally just keeps saying the rules aren't what the dialogue establishes.
It's like if a character says they're from New York and dcfan is like no he's from New Hampshire!
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 4, 2019 6:22:03 GMT
2014 Nebula never knew Thanos was defeated because she was killed before Tony's snap. jesus watching the fucking move, loser. WRONG AGAIN!!! You're basically saying that if Marty was killed in a car accident in 1986, then he would never know who won the World Series in October 2015 because he died before the World Series in 2015 happened. LOL!!! 1985 Marty already knows who won the World Series in October 2015 because he could travel to October 2015. So there's no such thing as "Well, 1985 Marty can't know what happens in October 2015 or February 2016 because those times haven't happened yet for 1985 Marty". Similarly, there's no such thing as "Well, 2014 Nebula can't know how Thanos and his entire army was defeated in 2023 because that hasn't happened yet or 2014 Nebula was killed before that happened". Time travel doesn't follow a linear or sequential path. Time travel is discrete so there's no such thing as "can't know that information because that hasn't happened yet" because the whole point of time travel is that a person can always travel to the discrete future point in time when that event happens or that information is known.
Think of the difference between watching a movie for the 1st time in a theater vs watching a movie on DVD. In a theater, when you've only seen the 1st hour of the movie, of course you don't know what happens at the end of the movie because you're watching the movie in a linear, sequential order. When watching a DVD, you can know what happens at the end of the movie even before you've watched the 1st 5 minutes of the movie.
Same with 2023 Nebula's memories. 2014 Nebula can access 2023 Nebula's memories at the end of the movie (just as easily as she can access 2023 Nebula's memories an hour into the movie) because both are just future points in time for 2014 Nebula and 2014 Nebula can access those memories at any point and in any random order the same way you can watch the end of a movie on DVD before watching the first hour of the movie. This is such a simple concept, it's just astonishing how so many MCU fans still don't understand this simple concept. WRONG AGAIN. When will you understand that time travel isn't yet real, and thus there is no proper way to go about it?
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Post by damngumby on Jul 4, 2019 7:48:22 GMT
Spam alert!
Oh dear ... it looks like DC-Fan is becoming even more unhinged than usual ... with a flurry of long incoherent posts that just repeat the same incorrect things from his previous posts.
Perhaps the mods should issue the poor guy a time out before he hurts himself. He's certainly demonstrated (again) that he is incapable of participating in a discussion in any constructive way once his argument has been shown to be completely wrong.
What we've got going on here is just a temper tantrum.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 5, 2019 16:17:21 GMT
Can anyone lock this thread? As if it was already pointless enough, DC-Fan hijacked it to spout tiring BS again. he literally just keeps saying the rules aren't what the dialogue establishes.
And of course movie characters never lie. So we should believe Beck's dialogue that he comes from another Earth that was destroyed by a fire monster!
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Post by blockbusted on Jul 5, 2019 16:22:41 GMT
he literally just keeps saying the rules aren't what the dialogue establishes.
And of course movie characters never lie. So we should believe Beck's dialogue that he comes from another Earth that was destroyed by a fire monster! poutinep’s point —> <———————————————————————————————————————— You
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Post by poutinep on Jul 5, 2019 16:35:06 GMT
he literally just keeps saying the rules aren't what the dialogue establishes.
And of course movie characters never lie. So we should believe Beck's dialogue that he comes from another Earth that was destroyed by a fire monster! Are you suggesting Bruce, Tony, and The Ancient One all lied about the rules of time travel? Nebula agreed with Bruce so that would mean she lied too...
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jul 5, 2019 16:54:24 GMT
This is becoming absolute looney tunes at this point. DC-Fan is not interested in having a conversation all he cares about is his sour grapes complaints because he can't handle the fact that the Fox X-Men are dead and buried and no one even knows what the heck is going on in the DCEU and the MCU continues to grow in popularity.
He should at least get some kind of a warning to stop trolling and start having actual discussions.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 5, 2019 17:13:49 GMT
This is becoming absolute looney tunes at this point. DC-Fan is not interested in having a conversation all he cares about is his sour grapes complaints because he can't handle the fact that the Fox X-Men are dead and buried and no one even knows what the heck is going on in the DCEU and the MCU continues to grow in popularity. He should at least get some kind of a warning to stop trolling and start having actual discussions. Agreed. I mean, we all knew he was a troll even before, but at least he put a bit of thought in his troll posts and you could still engage him in decent conversation every now and then. Sometimes he'll even come up with a legit criticism of the MCU. Nowadays though, he just outright lies and makes up stuff to bash the MCU. They're not even that creative - his posts require you to completely throw out common sense. He's just creating a lot of unnecessary noise in this board and a lot of his threads keep getting closed yet he still doesn't learn. Surely this deserves some kind punitive action from mods?
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Post by damngumby on Jul 5, 2019 17:54:20 GMT
he literally just keeps saying the rules aren't what the dialogue establishes.
And of course movie characters never lie. So we should believe Beck's dialogue that he comes from another Earth that was destroyed by a fire monster! In order for DC-Fan to be correct about time travel in the MCU, all the characters have to be lying and the events in the movie have to be incorrect. I think that deserves an A for stupidity.
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