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Post by Power Ranger on Jul 2, 2019 16:32:29 GMT
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Post by Vassaggo on Jul 2, 2019 16:35:15 GMT
He aged in a different Timeline than the main one then jumped back over to give Sam the shield. We don't know who or what he stopped in that timeline.
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Post by Vassaggo on Jul 2, 2019 16:38:10 GMT
When the popularity of the MCU wanes and Chris Evans wants another pay check when he's 45 or so that other Timeline is open season. We could have a 60's spy thriller with Cap and Peggy.
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Post by dazz on Jul 2, 2019 17:16:00 GMT
Butterfly effect, just because it sounds like it may not be a bad idea doesn't mean it wouldn't have terrible ramifications, which Steve would know because he's not a total fucking moron.
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Post by Power Ranger on Jul 2, 2019 17:19:01 GMT
Butterfly effect, just because it sounds like it may not be a bad idea doesn't mean it wouldn't have terrible ramifications, which Steve would know because he's not a total fucking moron. Screwing Agent Carter would also have ramifications, yet he still did that. But he’s an Avenger, being an asshole seems to be a prerequisite.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 17:20:47 GMT
He was in the ice.
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Post by dazz on Jul 2, 2019 17:24:41 GMT
Not necessarily, that could be a Terminator style fixed point in time, we never see her husband in the main timeline, could be he was always her hubby, also big difference changing a world altering event like 9/11 and taking Peggy for himself over a man not remarkable enough to ever be named for anything in the series, and that's even if he does do that, could be her Hubby died at some point and Steve married her after that.
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Post by Vassaggo on Jul 2, 2019 17:25:01 GMT
Butterfly effect, just because it sounds like it may not be a bad idea doesn't mean it wouldn't have terrible ramifications, which Steve would know because he's not a total fucking moron. Even if he did stop 9/11 in that timeline (which we don't know if he didn't) we would never see the ripples in the main timeline.
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Post by dazz on Jul 2, 2019 17:27:52 GMT
Butterfly effect, just because it sounds like it may not be a bad idea doesn't mean it wouldn't have terrible ramifications, which Steve would know because he's not a total fucking moron. Even if he did stop 9/11 in that timeline (which we don't know if he didn't) we would never see the ripples in the main timeline. Unless marrying Peggy was a fixed point in the main timeline, which the multiverse theory would still allow for, it wasn't a change in the past but an unknown constant variable from the outset.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 2, 2019 17:28:24 GMT
Butterfly effect, just because it sounds like it may not be a bad idea doesn't mean it wouldn't have terrible ramifications, which Steve would know because he's not a total fucking moron. Screwing Agent Carter would also have ramifications, yet he still did that. But he’s an Avenger, being an asshole seems to be a prerequisite. That's correct. He's willing to change the timeline by screwing Agent Carter but not willing to prevent 9/11 and save thousands of American lives. This confirms what I've been saying since The First Avenger (when Rogers' 1st comment after learning he had been asleep for 70 years wasn't "Did we win the war?" or "Who won the war?" but "I had a date") that Rogers never gave a damn about fighting Nazis or saving lives. Rogers only joined the army because he saw that the other soldiers were getting attention from the girls and he wanted to join the army only so he could get some attention from the girls too.
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Post by Vassaggo on Jul 2, 2019 17:29:29 GMT
Butterfly effect, just because it sounds like it may not be a bad idea doesn't mean it wouldn't have terrible ramifications, which Steve would know because he's not a total fucking moron. Screwing Agent Carter would also have ramifications, yet he still did that. But he’s an Avenger, being an asshole seems to be a prerequisite. Yes him going back and creating a new timeline in itself would have ramifications in that new universe. It being a new universe in itself would be the main ramification. From that point on he may not have much knowledge of how that time line would go. Him creating that branch would cause millions of tiny changes from him being there. 9/11 may never have happened just from the fact of him creating a new time stream. Even if it did happen it couldn't happened differently on a different day, etc. Any knowledge he gained from researching the main timeline could be thrown out the window because of him being there.
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Post by Vassaggo on Jul 2, 2019 17:30:30 GMT
Even if he did stop 9/11 in that timeline (which we don't know if he didn't) we would never see the ripples in the main timeline. Unless marrying Peggy was a fixed point in the main timeline, which the multiverse theory would still allow for, it wasn't a change in the past but an unknown constant variable from the outset. got to ask Doctor Who fan? I think you are one of the few people I've seen used the term fixed point.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 2, 2019 17:44:44 GMT
big difference changing a world altering event like 9/11 and taking Peggy for himself over a man not remarkable enough to ever be named for anything in the series Weak excuse. Even if Peggy's husband isn't remarkable, there's no way for Rogers to know if his descendants would be remarkable. In the Tomorrow is Yesterday episode of Star Trek, the Enterprise is accidentally thrown back in time to the 1960s. They were spotted by an American Air Force pilot so they beamed the pilot on board the Enterprise to prevent the pilot from telling others what he had seen. They debated what to do with the pilot since the pilot had seen the Enterprise. Spock did some research and concluded that the pilot did nothing significant or remarkable during his lifetime so history would be unaffected if they decided to take the pilot with them when the Enterprise returned to the future. But later, Spock found out that the pilot's grandson would lead the 1st manned mission to Mars. The pilot said he didn't have any children. Spock said "Not yet." So even though the pilot himself did nothing significant or remarkable in history, his unborn grandson would be significant in history so they had to return the pilot or his grandson would never be born. By going back in time and screwing Peggy Carter and stealing Peggy Carter away from the man she was supposed to marry, however unremarkable he may be, Rogers may have made a significant alteration to the course of history. So Rogers was willing to risk a significant alteration to history in order to screw Peggy Carter but Rogers wasn't willing to prevent 9/11 and save thousands of American lives. This confirms what I've been saying since The First Avenger (when Rogers' 1st comment after learning he had been asleep for 70 years wasn't "Did we win the war?" or "Who won the war?" but "I had a date") that Rogers never gave a damn about fighting Nazis or saving lives. Rogers only joined the army because he saw that the other soldiers were getting attention from the girls and he wanted to join the army only so he could get some attention from the girls too.
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Post by bud47 on Jul 2, 2019 18:04:28 GMT
Is this for real? The trolls here are now reduced to condemning a fictional character for failing to prevent a real world disaster?
How do we know 9/11 even occurred in the fictional MCU world? I don't remember it ever being mentioned in any of the films.
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Post by sostie on Jul 2, 2019 18:08:32 GMT
Fuck that, Why didn't he punch Bin Laden's mum in the stomach when she was carrying him in the womb? Or written some Beatles songs before Lennon & McCartney? Stop Harvey Weinstein touching people? Tell Warners not to make Sucide Squad? Saved JFK? Bought the rites to Spider-Man and X-Men and sell them to Disney?
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Jul 2, 2019 18:11:22 GMT
Why didn't the Flash prevent 9/11? Why didn't Marty or Doc Brown stop the Kennedy assassination? The Holocaust?
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Post by dazz on Jul 2, 2019 18:18:34 GMT
Unless marrying Peggy was a fixed point in the main timeline, which the multiverse theory would still allow for, it wasn't a change in the past but an unknown constant variable from the outset. got to ask Doctor Who fan? I think you are one of the few people I've seen used the term fixed point. Guilty, but I haven't seen the show since Jenna Louise Coleman left...man she is cute.
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Post by Vassaggo on Jul 2, 2019 18:22:17 GMT
got to ask Doctor Who fan? I think you are one of the few people I've seen used the term fixed point. Guilty, but I haven't seen the show since Jenna Louise Coleman left...man she is cute. Clara came into her own with Peter Capaldi's Doctor for me. I made it up to 3 episodes into Jodie Whittaker's Doctor. No problem with female doctor I just can't stand Chibnall as a writer and Show Runner.
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Post by Archelaus on Jul 2, 2019 18:24:21 GMT
Is this for real? The trolls here are now reduced to condemning a fictional character for failing to prevent a real world disaster? How do we know 9/11 even occurred in the fictional MCU world? I don't remember it ever being mentioned in any of the films. Look no further than Iron Man. The war in Afghanistan is a crucial plot point in which Tony Stark demonstrates the Jericho missile and is subsequently captured by the Ten Rings in the Kunar Province, which was a hotbed for Islamic terrorism.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 2, 2019 18:25:57 GMT
Is this for real? The trolls here are now reduced to condemning a fictional character for failing to prevent a real world disaster? How do we know 9/11 even occurred in the fictional MCU world? I don't remember it ever being mentioned in any of the films. Look no further than Iron Man. The war in Afghanistan is a crucial plot point in which Tony Stark demonstrates the Jericho missile and is subsequently captured by the Ten Rings in the Kunar Province, which was a hotbed for Islamic terrorism. bud47 just got owned!
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