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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 4:59:28 GMT
I'd say true even though I love both franchises.
But J.K. Rowling is a woman of integrity unlike anyone in Lucasfilm, who only care about making money and selling toys and action figures. You'll never catch anything Harry Potter with the $isney logo on it. When she says the story is done, she really meant the story is DONE.
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Post by rateater on Apr 14, 2017 13:49:59 GMT
cursed child, fantastic beasts... when will the story be done though?
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Post by shinnickneth on Apr 14, 2017 13:50:05 GMT
I'd say true even though I love both franchises. But J.K. Rowling is a women of integrity unlike anyone in Lucasfilm, who only care about making money and selling toys and action figures. You'll never catch anything Harry Potter with the $isney logo on it. When she says the story is done, she really meant the story is DONE.
The confusing part then was when she released Harry Potter and the Cursed Child, the Fantastic Beasts series, and the two theme parks... Both series are great though. I do prefer the Potter books to the movies.
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Post by scabab on Apr 14, 2017 17:22:22 GMT
Ehhh I'd say Harry Potter was consistently better, they were all good movies infact for the most part they improved as they went on.
Star Wars movies have been more varied, the best ones are better than any Harry Potter movies and the rest are inferior.
Original Trilogy > Harry Potter movies > All the other movies.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 15, 2017 9:20:24 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 17:36:11 GMT
I'd say true even though I love both franchises. But J.K. Rowling is a women of integrity unlike anyone in Lucasfilm, who only care about making money and selling toys and action figures. You'll never catch anything Harry Potter with the $isney logo on it. When she says the story is done, she really meant the story is DONE. Hogwash! Harry Potter related movies and media continue to be made. It'sa no different than what happened with Lucas after he finished the prequels and then later sold to Disney. And the stuff bout SW only being made for toy sales? Hogwash! It's inspired many novels. And it's always pushed da envelope of artistic integrity. Actually too much artistic integrity is one of da complaints dat da prequels gets.
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Post by Jillian on Apr 15, 2017 18:44:34 GMT
True; Harry Potter Is better than Star Wars!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 18:47:46 GMT
I'd say true even though I love both franchises. But J.K. Rowling is a women of integrity unlike anyone in Lucasfilm, who only care about making money and selling toys and action figures. You'll never catch anything Harry Potter with the $isney logo on it. When she says the story is done, she really meant the story is DONE. Hogwash! Harry Potter related movies and media continue to be made. It'sa no different than what happened with Lucas after he finished the prequels and then later sold to Disney. And the stuff bout SW only being made for toy sales? Hogwash! It's inspired many novels. And it's always pushed da envelope of artistic integrity. Actually too much artistic integrity is one of da complaints dat da prequels gets. I don't care about the EU. It sucks to say the least and has nothing on the Harry Potter books.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 18:53:39 GMT
I don't care about the EU. It sucks to say the least. To each his own. But millions of novel sales disagree with you. Besides, Harry Potter is just a bunch of dark kiddie magic centering around Disney-style early adolescent characters. It's preteen mania stuff. 😴💤
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 15, 2017 19:25:47 GMT
I don't care about the EU. It sucks to say the least and has nothing on the Harry Potter books.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 15, 2017 19:28:44 GMT
I'd say true even though I love both franchises. But J.K. Rowling is a women of integrity unlike anyone in Lucasfilm, who only care about making money and selling toys and action figures. You'll never catch anything Harry Potter with the $isney logo on it. When she says the story is done, she really meant the story is DONE. Right, like when she let some hack playwright fuck around with her characters and butcher them WAYYY beyond even the abortion that was The Force Awakens, blowing the hottest book release there ever could've been (a proper Rowling novelized sequel to Hallows/the seven Potter books) on a shitty fanfic written in play format? Yikes. This line of argument doesn't become you, good sir. I say that as someone else who loves both franchises.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 19:51:28 GMT
I'd say true even though I love both franchises. But J.K. Rowling is a women of integrity unlike anyone in Lucasfilm, who only care about making money and selling toys and action figures. You'll never catch anything Harry Potter with the $isney logo on it. When she says the story is done, she really meant the story is DONE. Right, like when she let some hack playwright fuck around with her characters and butcher them WAYYY beyond even the abortion that was The Force Awakens, blowing the hottest book release there ever could've been (a proper Rowling novelized sequel to Hallows/the seven Potter books) on a shitty fanfic written in play format? Yikes. This line of argument doesn't become you, good sir. I say that as someone else who loves both franchises. I'm not counting recent books like the Cursed Child or Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them and put them in the same basket as the Ewok movies from the 1980's. I loved both franchises as a kid too and I'm not taking a dig at Star Wars, but I lost a little respect for George Lucas for giving in so easily to the Disney empire and giving them the keys to the best space opera ever and thinking they were going to respect the story of the first six films. The day I heard about the Disney buyout was the day Star Wars turned to the Dark Side for me and a big part died inside. I loved the Prequels as a kid and it's so sad that Lucas gave into the critics in the end. I'm not interested in seeing nostalgia cash grabs every year for the rest of my life. At least J.K. Rowling went out on top.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 16, 2017 0:05:52 GMT
Right, like when she let some hack playwright fuck around with her characters and butcher them WAYYY beyond even the abortion that was The Force Awakens, blowing the hottest book release there ever could've been (a proper Rowling novelized sequel to Hallows/the seven Potter books) on a shitty fanfic written in play format? Yikes. This line of argument doesn't become you, good sir. I say that as someone else who loves both franchises. I'm not counting recent books like the Cursed Child or Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them and put them in the basket as the Ewok movies from the 1980's. I loved both franchises as a kid too and I'm taking a dig at Star Wars, but I lost a little respect for George Lucas for giving in so easily to the Disney empire and giving them the keys to the best space opera ever and thinking they were going to respect the story of the first six films. The day I heard about the Disney buyout was the day Star Wars turned to the Dark Side for me and a big part died inside. I loved the Prequels as a kid and it's so that Lucas gave into the critics in the end. I'm not interested in seeing nostalgia cash grabs every year for the rest of my life. At least J.K. Rowling went out on top. I stand fully corrected. I felt and continue to feel the exact same way about all of this.
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Post by shinnickneth on Apr 16, 2017 1:00:15 GMT
I loved the Prequels as a kid and it's so that Lucas gave into the critics in the end. I'm not interested in seeing nostalgia cash grabs every year for the rest of my life. At least J.K. Rowling went out on top. Interesting. You're the first person on here who I've encountered that was a kid when the PT came out. What do you think of the OT? Is it boring for you? Did you watch it before or after you viewed the PT? Which trilogy (so far) would be your "go-to" Star Wars movies if you decided to play them in the background at home?...Sorry about all the questions. I find it fascinating to hear about about the experience of being a kid during the PT differed (or was similar) to those of us who were kids when the OT was around. Likewise, I will be just as curious to find out how the ST is viewed with those who are being born right now and growing up with these new Star Wars movies over the OT/PT. You might not be aware of this but George Lucas did a lot of cash grabs with Star Wars before you were born. Here is where you can read all about the re-releases Lucas did with the movies: www.starwars.com/news/the-star-wars-saga-us-release-and-re-release-historyHe also went "toy crazy" with merchandising everything you can possibly imagine with the Star Wars brand. Carrie Fisher once joked that she was the cheapest whore in Hollywood with how George made money off of her likeness. Look, it can't be denied that Disney makes Star Wars movies to make money. However, George Lucas was doing it way before Disney entered the picture. In fact, everyone in Hollywood does that. It's called "show business." It's good business sense to make money. I will never understand how most movie audiences like to scoff at money, will work a job in their own lives solely for the money (hypocritical), and then turn up their noses if show business people do something for the money. Most people have to work to make a living. It doesn't make them bad. It's just a realistic outlook on life. Why should artists be held to some other expectation than in any other career in the world?
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Post by yogabagaba on Apr 16, 2017 16:54:41 GMT
I don't care about the EU. It sucks to say the least. To each his own. But millions of novel sales disagree with you. Besides, Harry Potter is just a bunch of dark kiddie magic centering around Disney-style early adolescent characters. It's preteen mania stuff. 😴💤 By that logic, Michael Bay's Transformers films are good because they made money. Popularity is not a guarantee of quality. Also, it's pretty funny that some guy with a display pic of a Star Wars prequel character (and who tries to write as he speaks? WTF?) is criticizing the maturity of the Harry Potter novels. Frankly, there were some good parts to the EU, but it had been going downhill for a long, long time.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 16, 2017 16:58:35 GMT
To each his own. But millions of novel sales disagree with you. Besides, Harry Potter is just a bunch of dark kiddie magic centering around Disney-style early adolescent characters. It's preteen mania stuff. 😴💤 By that logic, Michael Bay's Transformers films are good because they made money. Popularity is not a guarantee of quality. Also, it's pretty funny that some guy with a display pic of a Star Wars prequel character (and who tries to write as he speaks? WTF?) is criticizing the maturity of the Harry Potter novels. Frankly, there were some good parts to the EU, but it had been going downhill for a long, long time. I don't think it's an apples-to-apples comparison. Harry is seven books, whereas the EU is -- what? Over a hundred at least, right? So there's gonna be a sliding scale of quality. And honestly, the seven Potters are a sliding scale as well. I also disagree that the EU had been "going downhill," but I'll readily concede that it was sort of never the same after the New Jedi Order. That seemed to really take the wind out of people's sails, at least those heavily invested in the post-Jedi side of things rather than, say, prequel era or Old Republic stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 17:07:40 GMT
To each his own. But millions of novel sales disagree with you. Besides, Harry Potter is just a bunch of dark kiddie magic centering around Disney-style early adolescent characters. It's preteen mania stuff. 😴💤 By that logic, Michael Bay's Transformers films are good because they made money. Popularity is not a guarantee of quality. Also, it's pretty funny that some guy with a display pic of a Star Wars prequel character (and who tries to write as he speaks? WTF?) is criticizing the maturity of the Harry Potter novels. Frankly, there were some good parts to the EU, but it had been going downhill for a long, long time. Michael Bay's Transformers movies didn't launch hundreds of novels that have made hundreds of millions of dollars apart from the rest of SW merchandise, did they? And yousa criticizing da wrong Gungan character. Captain Tarpals is not Jar Jar Binks, not even close! Binks was da childish character inserted for da kids. Not all Gungans are alike! And yes, Harry Potter is juvenile. If da Imperial officer boot fits, wear it!
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Post by yogabagaba on Apr 16, 2017 22:39:42 GMT
By that logic, Michael Bay's Transformers films are good because they made money. Popularity is not a guarantee of quality. Also, it's pretty funny that some guy with a display pic of a Star Wars prequel character (and who tries to write as he speaks? WTF?) is criticizing the maturity of the Harry Potter novels. Frankly, there were some good parts to the EU, but it had been going downhill for a long, long time. Michael Bay's Transformers movies didn't launch hundreds of novels that have made hundreds of millions of dollars apart from the rest of SW merchandise, did they? And yousa criticizing da wrong Gungan character. Captain Tarpals is not Jar Jar Binks, not even close! Binks was da childish character inserted for da kids. Not all Gungans are alike! And yes, Harry Potter is juvenile. If da Imperial officer boot fits, wear it! Weren't there tie-in comics for every Tranformers film? And didn't Tranformers Prime (the show) and its non 3D sequel series only get greenlit due to the financial success of the Bay films? Regardless, the sheer number of tie-in materials does not guarantee quality. It's well established that there are plenty of Star Wars fans who will gobble up anything that has the franchise's logo on it, regardless of how bad it is. And ah, Captain Tarpals. The only thing worse than Jar Jar Binks is a Gungan who believes he's competent. I also love how you have no real argument against Harry Potter other than simply calling it juvenile. Shows you either didn't read the books and see them gradually evolve with their audience, or you're just so blindly loyal yet insecure about Star Wars that you need to bash other franchises.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 23:00:04 GMT
Michael Bay's Transformers movies didn't launch hundreds of novels that have made hundreds of millions of dollars apart from the rest of SW merchandise, did they? And yousa criticizing da wrong Gungan character. Captain Tarpals is not Jar Jar Binks, not even close! Binks was da childish character inserted for da kids. Not all Gungans are alike! And yes, Harry Potter is juvenile. If da Imperial officer boot fits, wear it! Weren't there tie-in comics for every Tranformers film? And didn't Tranformers Prime (the show) and its non 3D sequel series only get greenlit due to the financial success of the Bay films? Regardless, the sheer number of tie-in materials does not guarantee quality. It's well established that there are plenty of Star Wars fans who will gobble up anything that has the franchise's logo on it, regardless of how bad it is. And ah, Captain Tarpals. The only thing worse than Jar Jar Binks is a Gungan who believes he's competent. I also love how you have no real argument against Harry Potter other than simply calling it juvenile. Shows you either didn't read the books and see them gradually evolve with their audience, or you're just so blindly loyal yet insecure about Star Wars that you need to bash other franchises. All yousa chatter is nothing but biased opinion. Harry Potter books sold multimillions. SW sold multimillions. Doesn't prove HP books and stuff is any better or of higher quality than SW. Da same argument you make comparing Transformers to SW could be made comparing Transformers to HP! Spare Tarpals da lame Gungan insults! Captain can always tell when someone's losing a debate with hims because they always desperately turn to da Gungan insults! 😂👍 Lots of people will line up for anything with da Harry Potter name on it also, regardless of quality. And Harry Potter is no less guilty of merchandise hoaring than SW! Droid, please!
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Post by yogabagaba on Apr 16, 2017 23:44:51 GMT
Weren't there tie-in comics for every Tranformers film? And didn't Tranformers Prime (the show) and its non 3D sequel series only get greenlit due to the financial success of the Bay films? Regardless, the sheer number of tie-in materials does not guarantee quality. It's well established that there are plenty of Star Wars fans who will gobble up anything that has the franchise's logo on it, regardless of how bad it is. And ah, Captain Tarpals. The only thing worse than Jar Jar Binks is a Gungan who believes he's competent. I also love how you have no real argument against Harry Potter other than simply calling it juvenile. Shows you either didn't read the books and see them gradually evolve with their audience, or you're just so blindly loyal yet insecure about Star Wars that you need to bash other franchises. All yousa chatter is nothing but biased opinion. Harry Potter books sold multimillions. SW sold multimillions. Doesn't prove HP books and stuff is any better or of higher quality than SW. Da same argument you make comparing Transformers to SW could be made comparing Transformers to HP! Spare Tarpals da lame Gungan insults! Captain can always tell when someone's losing a debate with hims because they always desperately turn to da Gungan insults! 😂👍 Lots of people will line up for anything with da Harry Potter name on it also, regardless of quality. And Harry Potter is no less guilty of merchandise hoaring than SW! Droid, please! Hence why I repeatedly point out that sales and box office don't matter when discussing quality, especially with franchises of this scale. You're the one who tried to use how well the EU books did in sales as some sort of proof that it was objectively good. And once again, you don't actually discuss anything in the Harry Potter novels or how they grew and changed with each installment. Kind of a sign that you have no argument. But hey, keep hiding behind a Gungan persona if that's what helps you deal.
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