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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 0:19:56 GMT
All yousa chatter is nothing but biased opinion. Harry Potter books sold multimillions. SW sold multimillions. Doesn't prove HP books and stuff is any better or of higher quality than SW. Da same argument you make comparing Transformers to SW could be made comparing Transformers to HP! Spare Tarpals da lame Gungan insults! Captain can always tell when someone's losing a debate with hims because they always desperately turn to da Gungan insults! 😂👍 Lots of people will line up for anything with da Harry Potter name on it also, regardless of quality. And Harry Potter is no less guilty of merchandise hoaring than SW! Droid, please! Hence why I repeatedly point out that sales and box office don't matter when discussing quality, especially with franchises of this scale. You're the one who tried to use how well the EU books did in sales as some sort of proof that it was objectively good. And once again, you don't actually discuss anything in the Harry Potter novels or how they grew and changed with each installment. Kind of a sign that you have no argument. But hey, keep hiding behind a Gungan persona if that's what helps you deal. And you're the one who said that da SW EU has been going downhill for a long, long time. Which is just yousen weak argument opinion because (as meesa mentioned, SW novels still sell and have continued to). Then yousa tried to supplement your argument by comparing Transformers merchandizing to SW merchandizing; which is actually irrelevant since da Transformers are a joke when it comes to novels. And ever since then you've been trying to make dat erroneous point relevant in a circle-jerk argument! Nice try, 'yogabagaba'! Maybe yousen yoga pants are on too tight.
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Post by kuatorises on Apr 17, 2017 0:33:30 GMT
I'd say true even though I love both franchises. But J.K. Rowling is a women of integrity unlike anyone in Lucasfilm, who only care about making money and selling toys and action figures. You'll never catch anything Harry Potter with the $isney logo on it. When she says the story is done, she really meant the story is DONE. The Harry Potter "logo" somehow stands for "integrity" and Disney is somehow evil, LOL?!
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Post by kuatorises on Apr 17, 2017 0:35:20 GMT
I was really into Potter when it first came out. I did finish the series and still like the characters, but the writing is pretty bad. She was very clearly making it up as she went along - and it showed.
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Post by yogabagaba on Apr 17, 2017 0:39:44 GMT
Hence why I repeatedly point out that sales and box office don't matter when discussing quality, especially with franchises of this scale. You're the one who tried to use how well the EU books did in sales as some sort of proof that it was objectively good. And once again, you don't actually discuss anything in the Harry Potter novels or how they grew and changed with each installment. Kind of a sign that you have no argument. But hey, keep hiding behind a Gungan persona if that's what helps you deal. And you're the one who said that da SW EU has been going downhill for a long, long time. Which is just yousen weak argument opinion because (as meesa mentioned, SW novels still sell and have continued to). Then yousa tried to supplement your argument by comparing Transformers merchandizing to SW merchandizing; which is actually irrelevant since da Transformers are a joke when it comes to novels. And ever since then you've been trying to make dat erroneous point relevant in a circle-jerk argument! Nice try, 'yogabagaba'! Maybe yousen yoga pants are on too tight. Wow, there's a lot of nonsense to unpack here. Yeah, the EU had been going downhill in terms of quality for a while. I stand by that. It really started right around the New Jedi Order series, which consisted of killing off plenty of characters mean-spiritedly all for the sake appearing "edgy" and "mature" (so, basically the same wool that got pulled over many fanboys' eyes when it came to Rogue One), and introduced a nearly invincible villain force that required an a$$-pull to defeat. The EU never really recovered from that. It limped along, in a general "dork age" until the Disney acquisition provided an opportunity to put it out to pasture. Not that the logo alone didn't result in plenty of people still buying the crud beforehand. And so now tie-in or expanded universe novels are the indication of quality? What? Again, sales don't matter, nor do different mediums, when discussing quality. Not saying Transformers tie-in material is good (especially if it's directly tied to the Bay films), but even if it's bad doesn't mean Star Wars' stuff is all, or even mostly good. Logic really isn't your strong suit, is it? And ah, you still can't address anything re: maturity in the Harry Potter novels. I can't say I'm surprised.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 3:14:28 GMT
And you're the one who said that da SW EU has been going downhill for a long, long time. Which is just yousen weak argument opinion because (as meesa mentioned, SW novels still sell and have continued to). Then yousa tried to supplement your argument by comparing Transformers merchandizing to SW merchandizing; which is actually irrelevant since da Transformers are a joke when it comes to novels. And ever since then you've been trying to make dat erroneous point relevant in a circle-jerk argument! Nice try, 'yogabagaba'! Maybe yousen yoga pants are on too tight. Wow, there's a lot of nonsense to unpack here. Yeah, the EU had been going downhill in terms of quality for a while. I stand by that. It really started right around the New Jedi Order series, which consisted of killing off plenty of characters mean-spiritedly all for the sake appearing "edgy" and "mature" (so, basically the same wool that got pulled over many fanboys' eyes when it came to Rogue One), and introduced a nearly invincible villain force that required an a$$-pull to defeat. The EU never really recovered from that. It limped along, in a general "dork age" until the Disney acquisition provided an opportunity to put it out to pasture. Not that the logo alone didn't result in plenty of people still buying the crud beforehand. And so now tie-in or expanded universe novels are the indication of quality? What? Again, sales don't matter, nor do different mediums, when discussing quality. Not saying Transformers tie-in material is good (especially if it's directly tied to the Bay films), but even if it's bad doesn't mean Star Wars' stuff is all, or even mostly good. Logic really isn't your strong suit, is it? And ah, you still can't address anything re: maturity in the Harry Potter novels. I can't say I'm surprised. So basically you're saying people buy books for the brand or series logo. Yousen argument is people buy a SW book so they can say to thems peers "I got da latest SW novel!" You can hold to yousa opinion about da EU and what part is bad or how much, but it's just your opinion. Likewise it's just your opinion dat da Harry Potter novels and related books have improved over time. Yousa have your opinion of what is good and meesa have mine. Nothing you said is objective proof of yousa argument. But keep beating dat dead horse! It has Captain bustin wit laughter!
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Post by yogabagaba on Apr 17, 2017 3:58:30 GMT
Wow, there's a lot of nonsense to unpack here. Yeah, the EU had been going downhill in terms of quality for a while. I stand by that. It really started right around the New Jedi Order series, which consisted of killing off plenty of characters mean-spiritedly all for the sake appearing "edgy" and "mature" (so, basically the same wool that got pulled over many fanboys' eyes when it came to Rogue One), and introduced a nearly invincible villain force that required an a$$-pull to defeat. The EU never really recovered from that. It limped along, in a general "dork age" until the Disney acquisition provided an opportunity to put it out to pasture. Not that the logo alone didn't result in plenty of people still buying the crud beforehand. And so now tie-in or expanded universe novels are the indication of quality? What? Again, sales don't matter, nor do different mediums, when discussing quality. Not saying Transformers tie-in material is good (especially if it's directly tied to the Bay films), but even if it's bad doesn't mean Star Wars' stuff is all, or even mostly good. Logic really isn't your strong suit, is it? And ah, you still can't address anything re: maturity in the Harry Potter novels. I can't say I'm surprised. So basically you're saying people buy books for the brand or series logo. Yousen argument is people buy a SW book so they can say to thems peers "I got da latest SW novel!" You can hold to yousa opinion about da EU and what part is bad or how much, but it's just your opinion. Likewise it's just your opinion dat da Harry Potter novels and related books have improved over time. Yousa have your opinion of what is good and meesa have mine. Nothing you said is objective proof of yousa argument. But keep beating dat dead horse! It has Captain bustin wit laughter! Yes, people will buy things because of a logo. Because they're fanboys/girls. Whether it's toys, books, games, etc.. Never said anything about them caring about their peers getting the same thing though. But I suppose feeling the need to keep up in order to feel like they remain a part of the fanbase is possible. And once again, you have no argument beyond "that's just, like, your opinion, man." You can't even attempt to debate. How sad. Probably because you have no real arguments.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 8:07:33 GMT
So basically you're saying people buy books for the brand or series logo. Yousen argument is people buy a SW book so they can say to thems peers "I got da latest SW novel!" You can hold to yousa opinion about da EU and what part is bad or how much, but it's just your opinion. Likewise it's just your opinion dat da Harry Potter novels and related books have improved over time. Yousa have your opinion of what is good and meesa have mine. Nothing you said is objective proof of yousa argument. But keep beating dat dead horse! It has Captain bustin wit laughter! Yes, people will buy things because of a logo. Because they're fanboys/girls. Whether it's toys, books, games, etc.. Never said anything about them caring about their peers getting the same thing though. But I suppose feeling the need to keep up in order to feel like they remain a part of the fanbase is possible. And once again, you have no argument beyond "that's just, like, your opinion, man." You can't even attempt to debate. How sad. Probably because you have no real arguments. Meesa don't know what people yousa hang around in Harry Potterville, but Tarpals has never met one single SW fan in all his years dat bought a SW book just to say dat they have a SW book! And it is just yousa opinion... it's obviously not agreed with by everyone. Yousa must be better at riding broomsticks than debating. Captain is amused!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 3:47:44 GMT
Right, like when she let some hack playwright fuck around with her characters and butcher them WAYYY beyond even the abortion that was The Force Awakens, blowing the hottest book release there ever could've been (a proper Rowling novelized sequel to Hallows/the seven Potter books) on a shitty fanfic written in play format? Yikes. This line of argument doesn't become you, good sir. I say that as someone else who loves both franchises. I'm not counting recent books like the Cursed Child or Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them and put them in the same basket as the Ewok movies from the 1980's. I loved both franchises as a kid too and I'm not taking a dig at Star Wars, but I lost a little respect for George Lucas for giving in so easily to the Disney empire and giving them the keys to the best space opera ever and thinking they were going to respect the story of the first six films. The day I heard about the Disney buyout was the day Star Wars turned to the Dark Side for me and a big part died inside. I loved the Prequels as a kid and it's so sad that Lucas gave into the critics in the end. I'm not interested in seeing nostalgia cash grabs every year for the rest of my life. At least J.K. Rowling went out on top. That's hilarious considering the book she released under a different name flopped hard. She's a one-hit wonder and will soon be forgotten.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 4:06:18 GMT
I'm not counting recent books like the Cursed Child or Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them and put them in the same basket as the Ewok movies from the 1980's. I loved both franchises as a kid too and I'm not taking a dig at Star Wars, but I lost a little respect for George Lucas for giving in so easily to the Disney empire and giving them the keys to the best space opera ever and thinking they were going to respect the story of the first six films. The day I heard about the Disney buyout was the day Star Wars turned to the Dark Side for me and a big part died inside. I loved the Prequels as a kid and it's so sad that Lucas gave into the critics in the end. I'm not interested in seeing nostalgia cash grabs every year for the rest of my life. At least J.K. Rowling went out on top. That's hilarious considering the book she released under a different name flopped hard. She's a one-hit wonder and will soon be forgotten. Yeah...like I'm going to take a guy with Captain America has his avatar seriously...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 4:09:49 GMT
That's hilarious considering the book she released under a different name flopped hard. She's a one-hit wonder and will soon be forgotten. Yeah...like I'm going to take a guy with Captain America has his avatar seriously... Translation: I have no counterpoint.
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Post by Jillian on Apr 18, 2017 8:23:27 GMT
Yeah...like I'm going to take a guy with Captain America has his avatar seriously... Translation: I have no counterpoint. Wait, wait, You are calling J.K. Rowling a "one-hit wonder"?! Please, that's outrageous and absurd! She has already landed herself a spot in history as one of the greatest female authors of her time! Because of her, children became interested in reading books.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 17:37:49 GMT
Translation: I have no counterpoint. Wait, wait, You are calling J.K. Rowling a "one-hit wonder"?! Please, that's outrageous and absurd! She has already landed herself a spot in history as one of the greatest female authors of her time! Because of her, children became interested in reading books. Harry Potter is her one hit. She will never get lightning to strike twice. Rowling is not one of the greatest female anything. Children were already interested in reading before her. She in no way made them more interested in reading.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 18:16:30 GMT
Hogwash! Harry Potter related movies and media continue to be made. It'sa no different than what happened with Lucas after he finished the prequels and then later sold to Disney. And the stuff bout SW only being made for toy sales? Hogwash! It's inspired many novels. And it's always pushed da envelope of artistic integrity. Actually too much artistic integrity is one of da complaints dat da prequels gets. I don't care about the EU. It sucks to say the least and has nothing on the Harry Potter books.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 18, 2017 22:09:33 GMT
I don't care about the EU. It sucks to say the least and has nothing on the Harry Potter books. ^(mic drop)
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Post by yogabagaba on Apr 18, 2017 22:37:00 GMT
Yes, people will buy things because of a logo. Because they're fanboys/girls. Whether it's toys, books, games, etc.. Never said anything about them caring about their peers getting the same thing though. But I suppose feeling the need to keep up in order to feel like they remain a part of the fanbase is possible. And once again, you have no argument beyond "that's just, like, your opinion, man." You can't even attempt to debate. How sad. Probably because you have no real arguments. Meesa don't know what people yousa hang around in Harry Potterville, but Tarpals has never met one single SW fan in all his years dat bought a SW book just to say dat they have a SW book! And it is just yousa opinion... it's obviously not agreed with by everyone. Yousa must be better at riding broomsticks than debating. Captain is amused! Do you honestly think people would admit that when the whole reason they'd be buying some of this stuff is to make it appear that they're devoted to the franchise? Whether to convince others or even themselves? Also, just because you haven't personally experienced something doesn't mean it hasn't happened. You do know what anecdotal evidence is, and that it doesn't prove anything, right? So please, keep on embarassing yourself with your inability to rebut. It's quite amusing
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Post by yogabagaba on Apr 18, 2017 22:38:33 GMT
Wow. Three whole books. Out of how many in total? Truly, that warrants a mic drop... lol.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 23:58:08 GMT
Meesa don't know what people yousa hang around in Harry Potterville, but Tarpals has never met one single SW fan in all his years dat bought a SW book just to say dat they have a SW book! And it is just yousa opinion... it's obviously not agreed with by everyone. Yousa must be better at riding broomsticks than debating. Captain is amused! Do you honestly think people would admit that when the whole reason they'd be buying some of this stuff is to make it appear that they're devoted to the franchise? Whether to convince others or even themselves? Also, just because you haven't personally experienced something doesn't mean it hasn't happened. You do know what anecdotal evidence is, and that it doesn't prove anything, right? So please, keep on embarassing yourself with your inability to rebut. It's quite amusing Still have yousen yoga pants on too tight. I just told yousa my long time experience. And what do yousen offer in return? Theories... anecdotal evidence theories to add to yousa irrelevant apples-to-oranges comparison: SW novels vs. Transformers merchandise, to add to yousen personal opinion dat yousa keep trying to claim is objective! Stop embarrassing yousa self, Gungan fool!
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Post by shinnickneth on Apr 19, 2017 0:23:20 GMT
Wait, wait, You are calling J.K. Rowling a "one-hit wonder"?! Please, that's outrageous and absurd! She has already landed herself a spot in history as one of the greatest female authors of her time! Because of her, children became interested in reading books. Harry Potter is her one hit. She will never get lightning to strike twice. Rowling is not one of the greatest female anything. Children were already interested in reading before her. She in no way made them more interested in reading. Ok, ok, ok...I don't care for much of what has been said to put Star Wars/George Lucas down but J.K. Rowling is far from a one hit wonder. Her adult novel, The Casual Vacancy is a best selling book. Her Cormoran Strike books have also been a best selling series and has led to two sequels (with another book on the way). She's had a lot of success outside of Harry Potter.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 19, 2017 0:24:04 GMT
Wow. Three whole books. Out of how many in total? Truly, that warrants a mic drop... lol. I'll stand by it, as someone who's prolly forgotten more EU than you'll ever read and has read all the Potters thrice. Nothing JKR has written rivals even one of these Zahn books, in scope or execution. Much less all three, to say nothing of his others. To quote the Dark Lord of the Sith: "You are beaten. It is USELESS to resist..."
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Post by shinnickneth on Apr 19, 2017 0:26:43 GMT
Wow. Three whole books. Out of how many in total? Truly, that warrants a mic drop... lol. Not really a fair comparison. Star Wars had many books by many different writers with many different stories vs. Harry Potter which was one story written by one writer...of course it's going to be a lot more consistent in quality.
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