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Post by dazz on Aug 20, 2020 15:31:49 GMT
Not quite, read his timeline if you want, it doesn't fit imo but those dates are very wrong according to him, what dates you said works for me though. But one thing Logan came out of exile due to a random dude he saved 70 years earlier seeks him out when he's on his death bed, Logan's been betrayed and used way too many times to buy into this but still does, low and behold the old fucker wanted to use Logan and steal his healing for himself. Clint on the other hand is contacted by his old team mate Cap, who despite Cap's actual fallings most see as a paragon of righteousness, Cap needs allies to get Bucky out of the country so they can stop a crazed bad guy unleashing an army of Hydra super soldiers onto the world. Which one is more frivolous again? random dude Logan helped 70 years ago and never mentions again wants to see him once more, or former team mate, national hero and legend needs help preventing a major supervillain threat? hmm. Superhero has a great timeline, but I'm not sure where he gets 2008 is the year when Logan left the x-mansion, because if I recall it isn't exactly mentioned in the movies. Logan is adamant he does not want to leave Canada and go all the way to Japan in a air[plane which he hates, so it takes a lot of convincing from Yukio who persuades him all he needs to do is spend 1 day in Japan and then he can leave and hints that he wants an honorable death which might be on offer. No im not having that Clint is coming back just for Cap. If thats the case why would he retire after the events in age of ultron where he was brainwashed (again). Clint left because as Ageof ultron showed he had a wife and kids he wanted to see grow up and put their safety first. Leaving that because cap offered him a frivolous mission of escorting a known criminal from country to country seems too far fetched. It's believable in Endgame because the world is at stake and deaths could be reversed and he has nothing to lose. In civil war he has everything to lose it makes no sense. Logan has nothing to lose either by going to japan, but the hint given is that he wants to die anyway Who said it was just for Cap? I said Cap who is his former team mate, a national hero and a legend many Americans in the MCU grew up idolising called him with a plea of help because there is an entire team of Hydra super soldiers on ice and a crazy man who just bombed the UN going after them, and their own team is standing in their way of getting to them and stopping it. Clint was a shield agent, he felt the sting of Hydra though we don't see it, he retires right after they put to be the last vestiges of the Hydra threat, makes sense the one last hidden Hydra threat and the call to arms from Cap could be one of the few things able to bring him back for one last mission. With Logan it is still the fact he has been used and betrayed by people many times in the past, sure he needed convincing but so would Clint I would imagine, keep in mind also his wife actually supports him being a superhero, Clint could have easily said nah at first but agreed to get Wanda and Scott as that's relatively low risk, but his wife convinced him to also help his friends, but we cannot see that as then that gives away who is on whose side before they actually reveal it in the movie.
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Post by dazz on Aug 20, 2020 15:35:34 GMT
Also Logan kind of did need to cover his face, he's Logan after all, not like he's a mild mannered guy, does a guy who likes to go out drinking and fighting really want his face to be seen because he's also stormed the Paris peace talks, been present at an attack on the white house, had a stand off with police which led to him getting shot in the head, been at a terrorist attack on a train, had a multiple brawls throughout Japan, and so on, over the course of many decades plus god knows what else over the century plus he's been alive across two timelines, where as Clint when he isn't being Hawkeye is just the average looking dad and husband. There's a difference between clint and Logan wearing masks. Logan cannot be killed or hurt. So he doesnt need the mask, he can do all those things all over the world and no body who wants revenge can do anything to him even if they track him down Death is not the only way to punish him, he's been caught, captured, tortured and fucked with many times before, and that's just the issue with him and the law, what about as we saw in X1, Logan once he was outed as a mutant scarpered away from the place where he was fighting and making money at, his face being out there as a dangerous mutant meant trying to be left alone was not something easy to come by, Logan may enjoy fighting but only on his terms, he gets peeved when others make him fight however.
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Post by charzhino on Aug 20, 2020 15:46:12 GMT
Who said it was just for Cap? I said Cap who is his former team mate, a national hero and a legend many Americans in the MCU grew up idolising called him with a plea of help because there is an entire team of Hydra super soldiers on ice and a crazy man who just bombed the UN going after them, and their own team is standing in their way of getting to them and stopping it. Clint was a shield agent, he felt the sting of Hydra though we don't see it, he retires right after they put to be the last vestiges of the Hydra threat, makes sense the one last hidden Hydra threat and the call to arms from Cap could be one of the few things able to bring him back for one last mission. Well if Hawkeye cared so much about defeating Hydra, where was he in Winter Soldier? He was at home with his wife and kids because either black widow didnt call him up because she knew Clint would not come or Clint himself was aware of the mission but he declined. Either way, he was not present in the overcoming of hydra. They chose Falcon, a new comer who Cap had known for a few days over Clint who they knew they could trust for years. So it is not very believable that Hawkeye would answer Caps call in Civil War to fight the remenants of Hydra when he was no where to be seen in defeating the main threat Alexander Pierce. All implied. We see nothing of Clints own decision to return to his superhero duties. We see the angst and torment of people like Peter Parker when he needs to go back to being Spiderman in Spiderman 2. We see it with Bruce Wayne in the beginning of Dark Knight Rises. And we see it with Logan in The Wolverine. This is the problem with MCU movies. They have minimal substance on the inner conflicts of these personal decisions. Clint shows up with no backstory or emotional motivaion, makes a quick joke and bang hes back playfighting Blackwidow at an airport.
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Post by dazz on Aug 20, 2020 15:55:35 GMT
Not quite, read his timeline if you want, it doesn't fit imo but those dates are very wrong according to him, what dates you said works for me though. But one thing Logan came out of exile due to a random dude he saved 70 years earlier seeks him out when he's on his death bed, Logan's been betrayed and used way too many times to buy into this but still does, low and behold the old fucker wanted to use Logan and steal his healing for himself. Clint on the other hand is contacted by his old team mate Cap, who despite Cap's actual fallings most see as a paragon of righteousness, Cap needs allies to get Bucky out of the country so they can stop a crazed bad guy unleashing an army of Hydra super soldiers onto the world. Which one is more frivolous again? random dude Logan helped 70 years ago and never mentions again wants to see him once more, or former team mate, national hero and legend needs help preventing a major supervillain threat? hmm. Dazz: Logan was still retired by the time "The Wolverine" occurred. He wasn't an X-Man anymore. He's a man of honor, that's why he agreed to travel to Japan. It fits the character a lot to do so. That's pure Wolverine. It doesn't affect his status as "RETIRED X-MAN" and "former superhero". That said, I'm not against Clint returning in CW. I just wished he was wearing a mask from the first Avengers movie. Which is why I said exile not retirement, Logan was in a self imposed exile for years and this is just one random dude he met years earlier, who Logan already saved, Logan owed this guy nothing, and he's been fucked over so many times why would he of all people trust that this rich dying old fucker have Logan's best interest at heart? Or that he would spend over a year looking for him just to say goodbye? Logan was a putz for going it was so obvious he wanted something from Logan. Logan abandoned his team to go into exile, a team he was close with, who he had been with for years, who cared about him and had shown it, but he doesn't care he goes away, why is this random fucker he barely knows important enough for him to break his exile? and he does so after a 2 minute conversation which wasn't that compelling and we see all of it, where as with Clint we don't see that conversation so we don't know how or why he helps Cap we just know he does, Clint's reasoning could be lame, or could be spot on, where as with Logan's we see it being iffy, and I say that as someone who like The Wolverine more than Civil War, but why both me come out of retirement and exile respectively makes more sense for Clint than it does Logan imo, only reason it makes sense is Logan knows he has to leave after what just happened, which actually goes into my whole Logan needed a mask thing.
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Post by dazz on Aug 20, 2020 16:06:48 GMT
Who said it was just for Cap? I said Cap who is his former team mate, a national hero and a legend many Americans in the MCU grew up idolising called him with a plea of help because there is an entire team of Hydra super soldiers on ice and a crazy man who just bombed the UN going after them, and their own team is standing in their way of getting to them and stopping it. Clint was a shield agent, he felt the sting of Hydra though we don't see it, he retires right after they put to be the last vestiges of the Hydra threat, makes sense the one last hidden Hydra threat and the call to arms from Cap could be one of the few things able to bring him back for one last mission. Well if Hawkeye cared so much about defeating Hydra, where was he in Winter Soldier? He was at home with his wife and kids because either black widow didnt call him up because she knew Clint would not come or Clint himself was aware of the mission but he declined. Either way, he was not present in the overcoming of hydra. They chose Falcon, a new comer who Cap had known for a few days over Clint who they knew they could trust for years. So it is not very believable that Hawkeye would answer Caps call in Civil War to fight the remenants of Hydra when he was no where to be seen in defeating the main threat Alexander Pierce. All implied. We see nothing of Clints own decision to return to his superhero duties. We see the angst and torment of people like Peter Parker when he needs to go back to being Spiderman in Spiderman 2. We see it with Bruce Wayne in the beginning of Dark Knight Rises. And we see it with Logan in The Wolverine. This is the problem with MCU movies. They have minimal substance on the inner conflicts of these personal decisions. Clint shows up with no backstory or emotional motivaion, makes a quick joke and bang hes back playfighting Blackwidow at an airport. Same reason we don't see Tony, War Machine, Thor or Hulk, reasoning would be Clint is on assignment elsewhere, he is an active agent after all, nothing implies he's just at home, and they were limited in their ability to reach out, they reach out to Sam because Sam is not a known ally, he's a guy Cap runs by every morning that's it, where as the Avengers are high profile known assets and would be monitored, there is a reason why Fury doesn't reach out to Widow and Cap in TWS until they get rescued by his people and brought to him, it actually makes sense, communication was limited/non existent due to Hydra who were using Shield resources to make it so. Sure the Clint thing is implied but it's implied based on previous incidences in the prior movies, unlike you saying Clint was just sitting at home which goes AGAINST what has been shown in past movies, Thor had Clint stationed in New Mexico at the place Mjolnir crashed down, Avengers had him stationed with the Tesseract, why all of a sudden in TWS is he just sitting on his arse and not potentially on a mission, which hindsight makes the most sense because Clint's details are off the record only Widow and Fury know them, meaning he would be the one Avenger that they could reach out to but don't, meaning most likely scenario is he's on a mission and Natasha knows it hence she doesn't reach out. As for the other movies, dude they are the TITLTE CHARACTERS of said movies, obviously we see their shit, Clint is a supporting character in Civil War his emotional turmoil and should I or shouldn't I internal debate isn't something they need to see, especially when it then as I said spoils the later reveals of him showing up for Wanda and delivering Scott.
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 20, 2020 16:18:12 GMT
Who said it was just for Cap? I said Cap who is his former team mate, a national hero and a legend many Americans in the MCU grew up idolising called him with a plea of help because there is an entire team of Hydra super soldiers on ice and a crazy man who just bombed the UN going after them, and their own team is standing in their way of getting to them and stopping it. Clint was a shield agent, he felt the sting of Hydra though we don't see it, he retires right after they put to be the last vestiges of the Hydra threat, makes sense the one last hidden Hydra threat and the call to arms from Cap could be one of the few things able to bring him back for one last mission. Well if Hawkeye cared so much about defeating Hydra, where was he in Winter Soldier? He was at home with his wife and kids because either black widow didnt call him up because she knew Clint would not come or Clint himself was aware of the mission but he declined. Either way, he was not present in the overcoming of hydra. They chose Falcon, a new comer who Cap had known for a few days over Clint who they knew they could trust for years. So it is not very believable that Hawkeye would answer Caps call in Civil War to fight the remenants of Hydra when he was no where to be seen in defeating the main threat Alexander Pierce. All implied. We see nothing of Clints own decision to return to his superhero duties. We see the angst and torment of people like Peter Parker when he needs to go back to being Spiderman in Spiderman 2. We see it with Bruce Wayne in the beginning of Dark Knight Rises. And we see it with Logan in The Wolverine. This is the problem with MCU movies. They have minimal substance on the inner conflicts of these personal decisions. Clint shows up with no backstory or emotional motivaion, makes a quick joke and bang hes back playfighting Blackwidow at an airport. If you notice, they didn't call Falcon before they went to him. Cap knows where he lives so it is a chance that he knows how to contact him. Why didn't he call? Maybe there is a double spy organization after them. Yeah, let's call Clint. The man who's family is a secret from everyone. Natasha knows not to call him and put his family on HYDRA's radar.
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Post by Vassaggo on Aug 20, 2020 16:26:10 GMT
This Popped up in my feed recently... nerdist.com/article/x-men-comics-accurate-mcu-designs/The X-Men films are currently in a state of limbo, due to the Disney merger with Fox. However, after 20 years and 12 films, it is pretty much accepted that Marvel’s mutants will be rebooted into the MCU. There are many different theories as to just how this will be accomplished. But it is almost certain that when we next see Storm, Wolverine, and the rest, they will be in all-new incarnations. And now, thanks to Playstation art director Raf Grassetti, we have a good idea what they could look like. Or at least, what they should look like! Many fans have been hoping that the eventual MCU versions of Xavier’s students will resemble their comic book counterparts more, at least in terms of their costuming. And since the MCU has never had a problem embracing the bright colors of the comic book page, this is a real possibility. Grassetti has created incredible designs for several of the most iconic X-Men, as he hopes they will appear when they make their reappearance. And if Grassetti’s name sounds familiar at all, it’s because he was responsible for the realistic interpretations of several Batman: The Animated Series characters. Storm, in the original X-Men films, was always fairly comics accurate, even with Halle Berry’s somewhat questionable wigs. But Grassetti’s version looks even more like the comic book version of Ororo Munroe, right on down to her signature headpiece. https://www.instagram.com/p/CClrJI_BuS1 This version of Beast looks more feral and dangerous, and evokes the version of Hank McCoy as drawn by artist Jim Lee in the ’90s. https://www.instagram.com/p/CCghMzShYmM Kitty Pryde is sporting a look which should remind fans of the original costume she wore when she made her debut in the early ’80s run of Uncanny X-Men. And she has her pet dragon Lockheed, a character totally missing from the Fox X-Men films. https://www.instagram.com/p/CCd7hPNBpeW Colossus looks similar to his Deadpool incarnation. But in this instance, the colors of Peter Rasputin’s costume match the ones he wore when he first debuted 45 years ago, in Giant Size X-Men #1. https://www.instagram.com/p/CCObDenhL2b Nightcrawler was one of the most comic book accurate characters in the original films, so the change isn’t too drastic here. But it’s nice to see Kurt Wagner in his signature red and black. https://www.instagram.com/p/CCRDyMrBo5_ And finally, team leader Cyclops is finally wearing blue and yellow, evoking his ’90s X-Men: The Animated Series heyday. https://www.instagram.com/p/CCL8iRqhQC9 There are still some major characters we hope Grassetti gets to, including Rogue, Gambit, Jean Grey, and of course, Wolverine. If Kevin Feige hires this guy to give the MCU X-Men their looks, we don’t think too many fans will complain at all. For more of Raf Grassetti’s incredible work, be sure to head on over to his Instagram.
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Post by Vassaggo on Aug 20, 2020 20:39:57 GMT
I think the only critique I would have with Raf Grassetti art work is I would put a little lighter blue piping along with the yellow on Cyclops. And some textured parts to Storms with white piping. The Modern Look seems to be all about texture, breaking up lines with piping, and shading the color parts that aren't textured. I can get behind that to a degree. You need to break up the eye and have different materials for practical purposes (so the actors can move properly) and visual aesthetics. Having a majority one color without breaking up the lines you get into spandexy looks. And texture and shading can add depth where it wouldn't have any otherwise. It's all fine and dandy to have that on the page in comic book because for all it's glory you have to keep the drawings a little simple a majority of the time. You can't really get away with that too much anymore in HD film.
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 20, 2020 21:40:17 GMT
In the original timeline, by 2008 the X-Men have apparently disbanded and only few mutants still stay at the school. Professor X is apparently dead, Cyclops is dead, Jean Grey is dead. I guess Wolvie milited in the team for some years since the events "The Last Stand", then everything crumbled down. So according to your timeline, Wolverine leaves the xmen in 2008 after killing Jean in X3 in 2006 and then we get to the events of The Wolverine in 2013. So Logan went into self exile for atleast 5 years. Clint Barton stayed away for less than 12 months lmao i guess his family didnt mean that much to him huh Wolverine is a simp that moved to the woods because he killed a woman that wasn't into him. He's killed way more people, but that one woman had him shook.
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 20, 2020 21:51:40 GMT
This Popped up in my feed recently... nerdist.com/article/x-men-comics-accurate-mcu-designs/The X-Men films are currently in a state of limbo, due to the Disney merger with Fox. However, after 20 years and 12 films, it is pretty much accepted that Marvel’s mutants will be rebooted into the MCU. There are many different theories as to just how this will be accomplished. But it is almost certain that when we next see Storm, Wolverine, and the rest, they will be in all-new incarnations. And now, thanks to Playstation art director Raf Grassetti, we have a good idea what they could look like. Or at least, what they should look like! Many fans have been hoping that the eventual MCU versions of Xavier’s students will resemble their comic book counterparts more, at least in terms of their costuming. And since the MCU has never had a problem embracing the bright colors of the comic book page, this is a real possibility. Grassetti has created incredible designs for several of the most iconic X-Men, as he hopes they will appear when they make their reappearance. And if Grassetti’s name sounds familiar at all, it’s because he was responsible for the realistic interpretations of several Batman: The Animated Series characters. Storm, in the original X-Men films, was always fairly comics accurate, even with Halle Berry’s somewhat questionable wigs. But Grassetti’s version looks even more like the comic book version of Ororo Munroe, right on down to her signature headpiece. https://www.instagram.com/p/CClrJI_BuS1 This version of Beast looks more feral and dangerous, and evokes the version of Hank McCoy as drawn by artist Jim Lee in the ’90s. https://www.instagram.com/p/CCghMzShYmM Kitty Pryde is sporting a look which should remind fans of the original costume she wore when she made her debut in the early ’80s run of Uncanny X-Men. And she has her pet dragon Lockheed, a character totally missing from the Fox X-Men films. https://www.instagram.com/p/CCd7hPNBpeW Colossus looks similar to his Deadpool incarnation. But in this instance, the colors of Peter Rasputin’s costume match the ones he wore when he first debuted 45 years ago, in Giant Size X-Men #1. https://www.instagram.com/p/CCObDenhL2b Nightcrawler was one of the most comic book accurate characters in the original films, so the change isn’t too drastic here. But it’s nice to see Kurt Wagner in his signature red and black. https://www.instagram.com/p/CCRDyMrBo5_ And finally, team leader Cyclops is finally wearing blue and yellow, evoking his ’90s X-Men: The Animated Series heyday. https://www.instagram.com/p/CCL8iRqhQC9 There are still some major characters we hope Grassetti gets to, including Rogue, Gambit, Jean Grey, and of course, Wolverine. If Kevin Feige hires this guy to give the MCU X-Men their looks, we don’t think too many fans will complain at all. For more of Raf Grassetti’s incredible work, be sure to head on over to his Instagram. Younger. They need to be younger. Also, no to the Nightcrawler brands. Get rid of that crap. He's basically like a person that cuts them self.
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Post by Vassaggo on Aug 20, 2020 22:15:51 GMT
This Popped up in my feed recently... nerdist.com/article/x-men-comics-accurate-mcu-designs/The X-Men films are currently in a state of limbo, due to the Disney merger with Fox. However, after 20 years and 12 films, it is pretty much accepted that Marvel’s mutants will be rebooted into the MCU. There are many different theories as to just how this will be accomplished. But it is almost certain that when we next see Storm, Wolverine, and the rest, they will be in all-new incarnations. And now, thanks to Playstation art director Raf Grassetti, we have a good idea what they could look like. Or at least, what they should look like! Many fans have been hoping that the eventual MCU versions of Xavier’s students will resemble their comic book counterparts more, at least in terms of their costuming. And since the MCU has never had a problem embracing the bright colors of the comic book page, this is a real possibility. Grassetti has created incredible designs for several of the most iconic X-Men, as he hopes they will appear when they make their reappearance. And if Grassetti’s name sounds familiar at all, it’s because he was responsible for the realistic interpretations of several Batman: The Animated Series characters. Storm, in the original X-Men films, was always fairly comics accurate, even with Halle Berry’s somewhat questionable wigs. But Grassetti’s version looks even more like the comic book version of Ororo Munroe, right on down to her signature headpiece. https://www.instagram.com/p/CClrJI_BuS1 This version of Beast looks more feral and dangerous, and evokes the version of Hank McCoy as drawn by artist Jim Lee in the ’90s. https://www.instagram.com/p/CCghMzShYmM Kitty Pryde is sporting a look which should remind fans of the original costume she wore when she made her debut in the early ’80s run of Uncanny X-Men. And she has her pet dragon Lockheed, a character totally missing from the Fox X-Men films. https://www.instagram.com/p/CCd7hPNBpeW Colossus looks similar to his Deadpool incarnation. But in this instance, the colors of Peter Rasputin’s costume match the ones he wore when he first debuted 45 years ago, in Giant Size X-Men #1. https://www.instagram.com/p/CCObDenhL2b Nightcrawler was one of the most comic book accurate characters in the original films, so the change isn’t too drastic here. But it’s nice to see Kurt Wagner in his signature red and black. https://www.instagram.com/p/CCRDyMrBo5_ And finally, team leader Cyclops is finally wearing blue and yellow, evoking his ’90s X-Men: The Animated Series heyday. https://www.instagram.com/p/CCL8iRqhQC9 There are still some major characters we hope Grassetti gets to, including Rogue, Gambit, Jean Grey, and of course, Wolverine. If Kevin Feige hires this guy to give the MCU X-Men their looks, we don’t think too many fans will complain at all. For more of Raf Grassetti’s incredible work, be sure to head on over to his Instagram. Younger. They need to be younger. Also, no to the Nightcrawler brands. Get rid of that crap. He's basically like a person that cuts them self. Yeah I would be alright nixing the brands. I'd like to see Cyke being late teens or 20. (modeled off go getting young Lt.) Beast being 21 to 23 and the Ape version first. Kitty looks like mid teens. (I don't particularly want Kitty in the first movie I like the character but I'd like to see more of the original team in the first outing.) Considering he only has 2 of the original team that's all I can go off of. Jean needs to be about Cyke's age. Angel can be same age as Jean and Cyclops maybe a smidge younger. Let Iceman be the young impetuous one of the first movie. Adding more going on. When the first team gets a little older after first movie fill in the roster with different characters filling age spots and the originals get more seasoned. Edit: Also let Cyclops fail and learn from it.
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 20, 2020 22:53:35 GMT
Younger. They need to be younger. Also, no to the Nightcrawler brands. Get rid of that crap. He's basically like a person that cuts them self. Yeah I would be alright nixing the brands. I'd like to see Cyke being late teens or 20. (modeled off go getting young Lt.) Beast being 21 to 23 and the Ape version first. Kitty looks like mid teens. (I don't particularly want Kitty in the first movie I like the character but I'd like to see more of the original team in the first outing.) Considering he only has 2 of the original team that's all I can go off of. Jean needs to be about Cyke's age. Angel can be same age as Jean and Cyclops maybe a smidge younger. Let Iceman be the young impetuous one of the first movie. Adding more going on. When the first team gets a little older after first movie fill in the roster with different characters filling age spots and the originals get more seasoned. Edit: Also let Cyclops fail and learn from it. I think the measure should be Spider-man. Cyclops, Jean and Beast 2-3 years older. Iceman should be the same age as Peter. Angel up to a year older than Cyclops. I think Beast should be in his human form except he should be this muscular hulking guy. He shouldn't be this small guy like Holt when he's human. The fur look should just be a covering of hair when it comes to his build. Storm and Colossus should be the same age as Iceman. I've always seen her as this younger character that had a strong maternal presence that made her seem older (also making her younger takes out that stupid Black Panther union). And Colossus has a romantic link with Kitty so you really shouldn't have that age gap so big. Rogue should be around the same age as Kitty. Maybe a year or 2 younger than Spider-man. If they do 90s Rogue that has Carol Danvers's powers (I want to see a movie version of her 1st appearance). I see Rogue like TAS Supergirl to Superman.
I think at the beginning the only older characters besides Xavier would be Banshee (he's a cop) and Logan.
I really didn't like the veteran rookies that they were in the Fox movies. Making them adults that taught at a school for learning how to control your powers, yet they barely knew how to use their own powers, really didn't sit well.
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Post by Vassaggo on Aug 20, 2020 22:57:32 GMT
Yeah I would be alright nixing the brands. I'd like to see Cyke being late teens or 20. (modeled off go getting young Lt.) Beast being 21 to 23 and the Ape version first. Kitty looks like mid teens. (I don't particularly want Kitty in the first movie I like the character but I'd like to see more of the original team in the first outing.) Considering he only has 2 of the original team that's all I can go off of. Jean needs to be about Cyke's age. Angel can be same age as Jean and Cyclops maybe a smidge younger. Let Iceman be the young impetuous one of the first movie. Adding more going on. When the first team gets a little older after first movie fill in the roster with different characters filling age spots and the originals get more seasoned. Edit: Also let Cyclops fail and learn from it. I think the measure should be Spider-man. Cyclops, Jean and Beast 2-3 years older. Iceman should be the same age as Peter. Angel up to a year older than Cyclops. I think Beast should be in his human form except he should be this muscular hulking guy. He shouldn't be this small guy like Holt when he's human. The fur look should just be a covering of hair when it comes to his build. Storm and Colossus should be the same age as Iceman. I've always seen her as this younger character that had a strong maternal presence that made her seem older (also making her younger takes out that stupid Black Panther union). And Colossus has a romantic link with Kitty so you really shouldn't have that age gap so big. Rogue should be around the same age as Kitty. Maybe a year or 2 younger than Spider-man. If they do 90s Rogue that has Carol Danvers's powers (I want to see a movie version of her 1st appearance). I see Rogue like TAS Supergirl to Superman.
I think at the beginning the only older characters besides Xavier would be Banshee (he's a cop) and Logan.
I really didn't like the veteran rookies that they were in the Fox movies. Making them adults that taught at a school for learning how to control your powers, yet they barely knew how to use their own powers, really didn't sit well.
I kinda want just Cyclops, Marvel Girl, Angel, Beast, Iceman and Professor X in the first movie and for fuck sake no Magneto (which I know is kind of a bummer with that first grouping) and no Logan cameo.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Aug 21, 2020 9:47:21 GMT
Dazz: Logan was still retired by the time "The Wolverine" occurred. He wasn't an X-Man anymore. He's a man of honor, that's why he agreed to travel to Japan. It fits the character a lot to do so. That's pure Wolverine. It doesn't affect his status as "RETIRED X-MAN" and "former superhero". That said, I'm not against Clint returning in CW. I just wished he was wearing a mask from the first Avengers movie. Logan abandoned his team to go into exile, a team he was close with, who he had been with for years, who cared about him and had shown it, but he doesn't care he goes away, why is this random fucker he barely knows important enough for him to break his exile? and he does so after a 2 minute conversation which wasn't that compelling and we see all of it, where as with Clint we don't see that conversation so we don't know how or why he helps Cap we just know he does, Clint's reasoning could be lame, or could be spot on, where as with Logan's we see it being iffy, and I say that as someone who like The Wolverine more than Civil War, but why both me come out of retirement and exile respectively makes more sense for Clint than it does Logan imo, only reason it makes sense is Logan knows he has to leave after what just happened, which actually goes into my whole Logan needed a mask thing. Well, we can assume that - as one of the reasons - Logan wanted to come back to Japan, because he loved that country. The post-credits sequence of "X-Men Origins" showed that he travelled to Japan in the Eighties and spent some years on there as well. At that point, in 2008, he had reacquired all his old memories (as implied by both "The Wolverine" and DOFP), but the BAD FEELINGS attached to those old pre-Adamantium Bullet memories had dissipated and were 100% GONE. Dazz, just remember, Logan was fucked over and abused in the pre-Origins era and during "X-Men Origins". In the aftermath, he had NO MORE memory, he didn't know who he was, so he was just living day by day like an animal, and nobody ever abused of him anymore. Nobody. Then, don't forget that his X-Man years changed him in a very deep way, they made him less a loner and more a social fighter.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Aug 21, 2020 9:58:17 GMT
No wait. X1 and X2 occurred in 1999. "The Last Stand" occurred in 2000. Jean Grey died in 2000. Wolverine milited in the team for more years, because he told Magneto "I've fought you FOR YEARS" (or so) in DOFP. He left the X-Men in 2006. Less or more. "The Wolverine" occurs in 2008. The post-credits sequence occurs in 2010. So he was away for atleast 8 years, even more impressive No, away for 1 year and half/almost 2 years as hinted by Yukio. By the end of "The Last Stand", the X-Men weren't a secret strike force team anymore. Apparently, Xavier's dream was running strong. Erik/Magneto reacquired his powers (as implied by the ending of TLS) so he returned back to his terrorist act. That's why Logan said: "I'VE FOUGHT YOU FOR YEARS". The X-Men fought him until 2005/2006, and Logan was an X-Man. So basically, Wolverine was an X-Man in 1999-2006 and 2010-2023 (Original Timeline).
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Post by dazz on Aug 21, 2020 14:00:37 GMT
Logan abandoned his team to go into exile, a team he was close with, who he had been with for years, who cared about him and had shown it, but he doesn't care he goes away, why is this random fucker he barely knows important enough for him to break his exile? and he does so after a 2 minute conversation which wasn't that compelling and we see all of it, where as with Clint we don't see that conversation so we don't know how or why he helps Cap we just know he does, Clint's reasoning could be lame, or could be spot on, where as with Logan's we see it being iffy, and I say that as someone who like The Wolverine more than Civil War, but why both me come out of retirement and exile respectively makes more sense for Clint than it does Logan imo, only reason it makes sense is Logan knows he has to leave after what just happened, which actually goes into my whole Logan needed a mask thing. Well, we can assume that - as one of the reasons - Logan wanted to come back to Japan, because he loved that country. The post-credits sequence of "X-Men Origins" showed that he travelled to Japan in the Eighties and spent some years on there as well. At that point, in 2008, he had reacquired all his old memories (as implied by both "The Wolverine" and DOFP), but the BAD FEELINGS attached to those old pre-Adamantium Bullet memories had dissipated and were 100% GONE. Dazz, just remember, Logan was fucked over and abused in the pre-Origins era and during "X-Men Origins". In the aftermath, he had NO MORE memory, he didn't know who he was, so he was just living day by day like an animal, and nobody ever abused of him anymore. Nobody. Then, don't forget that his X-Man years changed him in a very deep way, they made him less a loner and more a social fighter. None of that is an explanation, Logan loved Japan? Then why is his immediate response to balk at Yukio saying he needs to come? his full memories actually serve my argument, Logan remembers ll the times he's been fucked over by people who make him promises, he now remembers who this guy is, he remembers he was a Japanese soldier who Logan saved from the A-Bomb blasts, so he knows he doesn't owe this guy anything, the reasoning hinted in the movie is obvious, Logan agrees to go after he see's the cop cars with sirens blaring heading to where he just was, he needs to disappear and a free trip to another country is a means to that end. Also you gotta admit that last sentence of yours is hilarious in the context of the movie we are discussing, his X-Men days made him more social and less of a loner...cut to The Wolverine with Logan living alone in exile as a mountain man in the wilderness amongst the animals.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Aug 21, 2020 20:02:49 GMT
Well, we can assume that - as one of the reasons - Logan wanted to come back to Japan, because he loved that country. The post-credits sequence of "X-Men Origins" showed that he travelled to Japan in the Eighties and spent some years on there as well. At that point, in 2008, he had reacquired all his old memories (as implied by both "The Wolverine" and DOFP), but the BAD FEELINGS attached to those old pre-Adamantium Bullet memories had dissipated and were 100% GONE. Dazz, just remember, Logan was fucked over and abused in the pre-Origins era and during "X-Men Origins". In the aftermath, he had NO MORE memory, he didn't know who he was, so he was just living day by day like an animal, and nobody ever abused of him anymore. Nobody. Then, don't forget that his X-Man years changed him in a very deep way, they made him less a loner and more a social fighter. Also you gotta admit that last sentence of yours is hilarious in the context of the movie we are discussing, his X-Men days made him more social and less of a loner...cut to The Wolverine with Logan living alone in exile as a mountain man in the wilderness amongst the animals. Yeah, that's paradoxical. I mean, we don't know why he left the X-Men in the very first place. Sure as hell he had become more "social" in the X-Men trilogy, in comparison with his Post-Adamantium Bullet status at the end of Origins and at the beginning of X1. I forgot about the cop cars. Were the X-Men still wanted? Surely. After all, Sentinels were coming on their way, as shown in the 2010 epilogue. So I guess that things went worse and worse from the events of "The Last Stand", and the truce humans/mutants didn't last too long.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Aug 21, 2020 20:08:50 GMT
Yeah I would be alright nixing the brands. I'd like to see Cyke being late teens or 20. (modeled off go getting young Lt.) Beast being 21 to 23 and the Ape version first. Kitty looks like mid teens. (I don't particularly want Kitty in the first movie I like the character but I'd like to see more of the original team in the first outing.) Considering he only has 2 of the original team that's all I can go off of. Jean needs to be about Cyke's age. Angel can be same age as Jean and Cyclops maybe a smidge younger. Let Iceman be the young impetuous one of the first movie. Adding more going on. When the first team gets a little older after first movie fill in the roster with different characters filling age spots and the originals get more seasoned. Edit: Also let Cyclops fail and learn from it. I think the measure should be Spider-man. Cyclops, Jean and Beast 2-3 years older. Iceman should be the same age as Peter. Angel up to a year older than Cyclops. I think Beast should be in his human form except he should be this muscular hulking guy. He shouldn't be this small guy like Holt when he's human. The fur look should just be a covering of hair when it comes to his build. Storm and Colossus should be the same age as Iceman. I've always seen her as this younger character that had a strong maternal presence that made her seem older (also making her younger takes out that stupid Black Panther union). And Colossus has a romantic link with Kitty so you really shouldn't have that age gap so big. Rogue should be around the same age as Kitty. Maybe a year or 2 younger than Spider-man. If they do 90s Rogue that has Carol Danvers's powers (I want to see a movie version of her 1st appearance). I see Rogue like TAS Supergirl to Superman.
I think at the beginning the only older characters besides Xavier would be Banshee (he's a cop) and Logan.
I really didn't like the veteran rookies that they were in the Fox movies. Making them adults that taught at a school for learning how to control your powers, yet they barely knew how to use their own powers, really didn't sit well.
In 1999-2000, the teachers were: Scott/Cyclops - he knew how to use his powers. Jean Grey - in her "MARVEL GIRL" status, she knew how to use her powers. "Phoenix" was an alternate identity with full access to hidden abilities. Ororo Munroe/Storm - she knew how to use her powers. Wolverine, Rogue, Iceman, Nightcrawler, Colossus, Shadowcat, Angel were X-Men --- but not teachers. Beast was ahead of anyone of them, even.
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 21, 2020 21:31:21 GMT
I think the measure should be Spider-man. Cyclops, Jean and Beast 2-3 years older. Iceman should be the same age as Peter. Angel up to a year older than Cyclops. I think Beast should be in his human form except he should be this muscular hulking guy. He shouldn't be this small guy like Holt when he's human. The fur look should just be a covering of hair when it comes to his build. Storm and Colossus should be the same age as Iceman. I've always seen her as this younger character that had a strong maternal presence that made her seem older (also making her younger takes out that stupid Black Panther union). And Colossus has a romantic link with Kitty so you really shouldn't have that age gap so big. Rogue should be around the same age as Kitty. Maybe a year or 2 younger than Spider-man. If they do 90s Rogue that has Carol Danvers's powers (I want to see a movie version of her 1st appearance). I see Rogue like TAS Supergirl to Superman.
I think at the beginning the only older characters besides Xavier would be Banshee (he's a cop) and Logan.
I really didn't like the veteran rookies that they were in the Fox movies. Making them adults that taught at a school for learning how to control your powers, yet they barely knew how to use their own powers, really didn't sit well.
In 1999-2000, the teachers were: Scott/Cyclops - he knew how to use his powers. Jean Grey - in her "MARVEL GIRL" status, she knew how to use her powers. "Phoenix" was an alternate identity with full access to hidden abilities. Ororo Munroe/Storm - she knew how to use her powers. Wolverine, Rogue, Iceman, Nightcrawler, Colossus, Shadowcat, Angel were X-Men --- but not teachers. Beast was ahead of anyone of them, even. Rogue, Iceman, Colossus, and Shadowcat weren't X-men until X3 and even then they were rookies with their powers. Angel was only hiding out at the mansion and was not an X-man. You are proving my point with Jean being in her 40s and still being at X-men vol. 1 #1 stage. She should have been further than that. Cyclops was in his 30s and still getting his visor taken off on multiple occasions. Sabretooth should have killed Storm in the train station.
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 21, 2020 21:34:49 GMT
I think the measure should be Spider-man. Cyclops, Jean and Beast 2-3 years older. Iceman should be the same age as Peter. Angel up to a year older than Cyclops. I think Beast should be in his human form except he should be this muscular hulking guy. He shouldn't be this small guy like Holt when he's human. The fur look should just be a covering of hair when it comes to his build. Storm and Colossus should be the same age as Iceman. I've always seen her as this younger character that had a strong maternal presence that made her seem older (also making her younger takes out that stupid Black Panther union). And Colossus has a romantic link with Kitty so you really shouldn't have that age gap so big. Rogue should be around the same age as Kitty. Maybe a year or 2 younger than Spider-man. If they do 90s Rogue that has Carol Danvers's powers (I want to see a movie version of her 1st appearance). I see Rogue like TAS Supergirl to Superman.
I think at the beginning the only older characters besides Xavier would be Banshee (he's a cop) and Logan.
I really didn't like the veteran rookies that they were in the Fox movies. Making them adults that taught at a school for learning how to control your powers, yet they barely knew how to use their own powers, really didn't sit well.
I kinda want just Cyclops, Marvel Girl, Angel, Beast, Iceman and Professor X in the first movie and for fuck sake no Magneto (which I know is kind of a bummer with that first grouping) and no Logan cameo. Was just giving my idea of where the characters should be in terms of age range. I see people keep putting the characters at ages they shouldn't be. Casting Rogue with 30+ year old actresses because they think they could do the accent and they are hot.
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