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Post by Carl LaFong on May 2, 2017 17:25:52 GMT
Finally saw a trailer for it on Channel 4. No date yet though! "Coming Soon". At least it won't be on Netflix - I was starting to get worried. Damn Carl, I had forgotten that it hasn't aired there yet. Sorry if I revealed any spoilers. Nah, no harm done. I think most of the British and Irish chaps on here just Bit Torrent each episode soon after it's been screened in the US. I did that myself for episode 1, but not 2.
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Post by WullieFort on May 4, 2017 10:33:11 GMT
Totally pointless episode.
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Post by runie on May 4, 2017 15:01:38 GMT
Ep 3 wound me up more than anything else - agreed with others.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on May 4, 2017 16:44:01 GMT
Totally pointless episode. Nothing ever seems to be "pointless" in Fargo. And I'm sure a lot of that will become meaningful later on. But I did say "What the hell is this" a few times. That box from the closet is the key. "I can help"
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Post by WullieFort on May 5, 2017 9:00:20 GMT
I thought it was a "Lets make the most of Carrie Coon" episode after the great reviews she gets in The Leftovers
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Post by marsexplorer on May 5, 2017 17:49:14 GMT
Wiki says that Thomas Mann has a recurring role as Thaddeus Mobley so there is a connection to the main plotline. Also, doesn't it set up Gloria's discovery that her stepfather was murdered by the guy Ray Stussy hired to get his stamp back?
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Post by sdm3 on May 7, 2017 7:55:03 GMT
Totally pointless episode. I like that you highlighted that as a criticism because its pointlessness is the very point . It's one of the more acclaimed episodes of TV this year.
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Post by Excellent Bulletproof Vest on May 7, 2017 10:56:16 GMT
It was a brilliant episode, if you think it's pointless it just means you missed the point. There was some very obvious symbolism which I missed until I looked at reviews.
The robot went on a journey in a strange place to get information for people back home. It told people who it met "I can help" but it turned out to be useless to all of them. People didn't want help from the robot they just wanted to exploit it. It didn't really understand what was going on and by the end it was exhausted and thought its journey had been pointless.
When it got home it found that all the information it had gathered turned out to be incredibly useful.
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Post by runie on May 7, 2017 11:04:53 GMT
Fair enough
However it was still an irritating episode (in my opinion).
Fargo episodes/stories within do not always have a valid linked point (contrary to what someone else has stated). It is on the border line of encompassing symbolism with pointless folk law that diminishes its creativity. The fish scene in Season 1 was great and dispite highly unlikely - that mental coincidence of fargo encompasses fargo's 'world'. But then in season two it was completely ruined(imo) with the alien space ship.. So there is a fine line.
This is on the former and I can see that there will end up being a very 'real' link between the man dieing to the larger story (through sheer coincidence - which emulates season 1).
The problem with ep 3 was in its production rather than point .
however the other back storyline(from the 70's) was very good imo. That was the most enjoyable part for me.
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Post by sdm3 on May 7, 2017 12:28:29 GMT
Part of it is competition with itself. There hasn't been such a spectacular character like Lorne Malvo in television, in decades. It's hard to fill such huge shoes. That's a bit of an exaggeration; Lorne Malvo was great but we're in a golden age of television and there are plenty of brilliant characters who are up there with him. Walter White Gustavo Fring Don Draper Boyd Crowder Tyrion Lannister Rust Cohle Carl Grimes (just kidding) And that's just from this decade. Going back to the 00s: Tony Soprano, Al Swearengen, Stringer Bell, Shane Vendrell... need I continue?
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Post by runie on May 7, 2017 12:58:02 GMT
Sure, symbolism and all, OK. I can see it (confessedly, after it was mentioned here; it hadn't occurred to me), and I did say that the episode had an interesting side-story. But there are reasons why I think that this season is not (yet) as compelling as seasons 1 and 2. The Fargo universe is made of three things, in my opinion: 1. It's a character-driven show with extremely enticing and well-developed characters, from the protagonists to (especially) the antagonists. 2. There is phenomenal period-rendition that includes the ambient, the music, and the cinematography. 3. The well-placed absurd elements are spice for the whole cake, making of the satirical line "this is a true story" a savory insider-joke. In all three elements, this season (so far) is not as strong as the first two. 1. I haven't acquired a lot of interest in the current characters (so far) and the sadistic bad guy is a lot less impressive than the equivalent figures in seasons 1 and 2 (so far). The policewoman feels bland to me as compared to her counterparts in seasons 1 and 2. For one thing, she is too pretty. This is atypical of Fargo. 2. There is a bit of period-rendition in the flashbacks to the 70's but the current story is almost contemporary, set to 2010. It just doesn't work as well in my opinion, unless they continue to do a lot of flashbacks which in itself is problematic for the narration flow. 3. The little robot film (so far) and the opening scene dialogue touched at the absurdity but not as strongly as the events in seasons 1 and 2 (I profoundly disagree with the opinion above that the UFO was misplaced - far from that, it is a hallmark of the Fargo universe to use odd events from the time and place being depicted - the fish rain actually happened - look it up; a tornado sucked up fish from a lake and dumped them on the ground, in real life - and alleged UFO sightings were common place in the time/epoch depicted in season 2). So all in all I'm less thrilled by season 3 - and I repeat, so far, because I do trust the creators and they will probably still surprise me, given that Fargo the series is by far the best thing in television I've seen in several years. It does worry me that there seems to be a bit of fading from the extremely strong season 1 to the very, very good but not quite as strong season 2, to this one that appears to turn it down a notch again. If it continues like this, it is not excluded that the series will slowly lose its magic. Part of it is competition with itself. There hasn't been such a spectacular character like Lorne Malvo in television, in decades. It's hard to fill such huge shoes. I think you need to go back and read what I stated. I stated the fish was great. The aliens rubbish. I stamd by that and do not take anything from your comment. Sorry.
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Post by runie on May 7, 2017 13:03:05 GMT
I agree that Rust Chole pips Malvo Btw. Not sure about the others.
I would add Sherlock and Luther over the others mentioned.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on May 7, 2017 16:41:26 GMT
Here's a question for you Fargophiles. Spoilers abound
Did Maurice really kill Ennis Stussy? Maurice has a gun. Why did he bother superglueing Stussy's nose and mouth shut and propping him in front of the freezer? Maurice is a drug addled moron who thinks a PO would hire him to steal postage stamps. And Officer Burgle is about 5 minutes away from solving the case. She will go to Ray partner, find out Maurice failed his piss test, dig into Ray, find he's seeing Nikki, Nikki leads to the apartment and the A/C unit. Too soon to figure it out.
I think there's a big curve ball coming this season.
"I can help!"
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on May 7, 2017 17:37:02 GMT
Here's a question for you Fargophiles. Spoilers abound Did Maurice really kill Ennis Stussy? Maurice has a gun. Why did he bother superglueing Stussy's nose and mouth shut and propping him in front of the freezer? Maurice is a drug addled moron who thinks a PO would hire him to steal postage stamps. And Officer Burgle is about 5 minutes away from solving the case. She will go to Ray partner, find out Maurice failed his piss test, dig into Ray, find he's seeing Nikki, Nikki leads to the apartment and the A/C unit. Too soon to figure it out. I think there's a big curve ball coming this season. "I can help!" Yes, definitely. That's why when I assessed my impressions of season 3, I kept saying "so far." It does seem like it hasn't been convoluted enough, yet, for a Fargo season. We'll surely still get some surprises. Maurice did say that he killed the old man. I guess the superglueing was just a sadistic thing. But sure, he could have left Ennis Stussy still alive, and someone else from a part of the plot still to be seen could have arrived, found him semi-conscious, and implemented the superglueing, in some sort of revenge from something that happened in the 70's. Maybe the episode 3 flashback is just the beginning. I'm not sure. I'm thinking Maurice went to Stussy's house, found him propped up dead, grabbed the stamps and left. Which begs the question "who DID kill him". Hence the backstory and the focus of Episode 3. I assume everyone did notice the switch that turned the cartoon robot off is the same switch in the box that Gloria found in the closet and took home.
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Post by marsexplorer on May 7, 2017 18:00:14 GMT
Yes, definitely. That's why when I assessed my impressions of season 3, I kept saying "so far." It does seem like it hasn't been convoluted enough, yet, for a Fargo season. We'll surely still get some surprises. Maurice did say that he killed the old man. I guess the superglueing was just a sadistic thing. But sure, he could have left Ennis Stussy still alive, and someone else from a part of the plot still to be seen could have arrived, found him semi-conscious, and implemented the superglueing, in some sort of revenge from something that happened in the 70's. Maybe the episode 3 flashback is just the beginning. I'm not sure. I'm thinking Maurice went to Stussy's house, found him propped up dead, grabbed the stamps and left. Which begs the question "who DID kill him". Hence the backstory and the focus of Episode 3. I assume everyone did notice the switch that turned the cartoon robot off is the same switch in the box that Gloria found in the closet and took home. Since you asked a question of everyone I am going to stick my nose in here. I have been thinking about that box. If Gloria can find a way to make the box stop switching the switch off when she turns it on will that tie her in somehow to the robot's universe from the book? I know some are not liking this season compared to others, but I think it just became much more interesting.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on May 7, 2017 18:17:18 GMT
I'm not sure. I'm thinking Maurice went to Stussy's house, found him propped up dead, grabbed the stamps and left. Which begs the question "who DID kill him". Hence the backstory and the focus of Episode 3. I assume everyone did notice the switch that turned the cartoon robot off is the same switch in the box that Gloria found in the closet and took home. Since you asked a question of everyone I am going to stick my nose in here. I have been thinking about that box. If Gloria can find a way to make the box stop switching the switch off when she turns it on will that tie her in somehow to the robot's universe from the book? I know some are not liking this season compared to others, but I think it just became much more interesting. Of course I asked the question for everyone. I'm hoping the box is the key to Ennis Stussy/Thaddeus Mobley's universe and not seeing a cartoon Gloria Burgle or a real life robot. I don't want Fargo to become too "Lost-ish" And I am intrigued by this season. Its not following the Fargo template. Fargo Template - Basically good person does a bad thing, bringing bad people into their lives. From Jerry Lundergard to Lester Nygaard to Peggy Blumquist. Not sure Ray Stussy qualifies yet. Nikki dropped the A/C, not Ray. V.M. Vargas could be the Gaear Grimrud, Lorne Malvo, Hanzee Dent or not. He hasn't really done anything worse than park a truck so far. But this season does have the Fargo atmosphere and the "oh shit!" moments (like seeing the box on the back of the prowler). I could be True Detective, Season Two or the last season of Lost, but I have faith.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on May 7, 2017 19:19:11 GMT
Of course I asked the question for everyone. I'm hoping the box is the key to Ennis Stussy/Thaddeus Mobley's universe and not seeing a cartoon Gloria Burgle or a real life robot. I don't want Fargo to become too "Lost-ish" And I am intrigued by this season. Its not following the Fargo template. Fargo Template - Basically good person does a bad thing, bringing bad people into their lives. From Jerry Lundergard to Lester Nygaard to Peggy Blumquist. Not sure Ray Stussy qualifies yet. Nikki dropped the A/C, not Ray. V.M. Vargas could be the Gaear Grimrud, Lorne Malvo, Hanzee Dent or not. He hasn't really done anything worse than park a truck so far. But this season does have the Fargo atmosphere and the "oh shit!" moments (like seeing the box on the back of the prowler). I could be True Detective, Season Two or the last season of Lost, but I have faith. About your earlier post, didn't we see a bit of Maurice confronting Stussy still alive, or am I mistaken? And no, Vargas did kill the lawyer, throwing him down from the parking garage, remember? I don't think we risk a Lost-y thing. The odd events in Fargo are still natural occurrences, no magic involved. The fish rain = real event. UFO's = they've been allegedly seen everywhere. So they go for the weird events but not for the supernatural. Did we see Maurice in Stussy's home? I can't remember. I gotta go back and watch, I'm curious to hear what Maurice said to Ray and Nikki. And thanks for refreshing my memory about the parking garage. Duh. But Vargas is still way behind Malvo and Hanzee and the Gerhardts. They had lotsa blood on their hands by Ep. 3.
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Post by marsexplorer on May 7, 2017 19:37:46 GMT
Did we see Maurice in Stussy's home? I can't remember. I gotta go back and watch, I'm curious to hear what Maurice said to Ray and Nikki. And thanks for refreshing my memory about the parking garage. Duh. But Vargas is still way behind Malvo and Hanzee and the Gerhardts. They had lotsa blood on their hands by Ep. 3. You're welcome. I deleted the episode from my DVR but I think we did see Maurice confronting Stussy. And he did mention to Ray and Nikki that the old man resisted and he killed him. He could be lying, though, since we didn't see the killing. But then how would he know that Stussy got killed? I think Vargas will still kill a lot of people. He is just getting started. I do remember seeing Maurice in Stussy's house and asking him where the stamps were.but we didn't see him kill him. It's possible that he left him alive. Isn't gluing the eyes and mouth shut a signature of the mafia killing an informant?
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Post by Excellent Bulletproof Vest on May 7, 2017 22:40:44 GMT
Fair enough However it was still an irritating episode (in my opinion). Fargo episodes/stories within do not always have a valid linked point (contrary to what someone else has stated). It is on the border line of encompassing symbolism with pointless folk law that diminishes its creativity. The fish scene in Season 1 was great and dispite highly unlikely - that mental coincidence of fargo encompasses fargo's 'world'. But then in season two it was completely ruined(imo) with the alien space ship.. So there is a fine line. This is on the former and I can see that there will end up being a very 'real' link between the man dieing to the larger story (through sheer coincidence - which emulates season 1). The problem with ep 3 was in its production rather than point . however the other back storyline(from the 70's) was very good imo. That was the most enjoyable part for me. Fair enough, I loved it even before I clocked onto the symbolism. It was shot in such an interesting way, I was totally committed to the main character's journey and I found both the 1970s story and the robot story really interesting. I agree that the UFO was a disaster for season 2 - which was brilliant up until then - horrible choice. Even until then it wasn't quite as good as S1, Billy Bob Thornton really made that season, but it was very close. I really really hope they don't have any alien involvement in season 3.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on May 11, 2017 19:16:13 GMT
Excellent episode! Lorne Malvo hosts Peter and the Wolf. Things are unraveling quickly for Nikki and Ray.
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