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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2019 18:18:36 GMT
Do we even know that Peggy had kids? Yeah, she says so in the footage shown at the museum in TWS.
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 19, 2019 18:25:37 GMT
Do we even know that Peggy had kids? Yeah, she says so in the footage shown at the museum in TWS. So that confirms 100% that Peggy Carter did have children with another man after Steve Rogers was frozen in ice. And because Steve Rogers was such a selfish asshole and used time travel to change history for his personal benefit, Peggy Carter's children have been permanently erased from history forever.
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Post by bud47 on Dec 19, 2019 21:15:18 GMT
Yeah, she says so in the footage shown at the museum in TWS. So that confirms 100% that Peggy Carter did have children with another man after Steve Rogers was frozen in ice. And because Steve Rogers was such a selfish asshole and used time travel to change history for his personal benefit, Peggy Carter's children have been permanently erased from history forever. This also confirms 100% that either you didn't watch the movie or you're just willfully ignorant and unable to understand the method of time travel used in the film. Seriously, there were entire segments in the film where this was explained. This is not Back To The Future rules. Steve is basically living out his fantasy with Peggy in an alternate timeline, one of many that exist in the MCU multiverse. No one was erased. She either didn't have children at all in this alternate timeline or she had different children with Steve. It's not that hard to understand. Her children still exist in the original timeline.
Come on. We all know you already know all of this. Can't you find new ways to entertain yourself?
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 20, 2019 2:03:43 GMT
Steve Rogers time with her occurred in an alternate timeline with an alternate Peggy Carter. No harm, no foul. Nope, Steve Rogers didn't travel back to an alternate timeline. Steve Rogers traveled back to the past in his original timeline and effectively erased Peggy Carter's children from history forever.
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 20, 2019 2:17:56 GMT
So that confirms 100% that Peggy Carter did have children with another man after Steve Rogers was frozen in ice. And because Steve Rogers was such a selfish asshole and used time travel to change history for his personal benefit, Peggy Carter's children have been permanently erased from history forever. Steve is basically living out his fantasy with Peggy in an alternate timeline, one of many that exist in the MCU multiverse. No one was erased. She either didn't have children at all in this alternate timeline or she had different children with Steve. It's not that hard to understand. Her children still exist in the original timeline.
Nope Steve Rogers didn't travel to an alternate timeline. Steve Rogers traveled back to the past in his original timeline and effectively erased Peggy Carter's children from history forever. Peggy Carter's children not only don't exist in the original timeline, they will never even be born in the original timeline because Steve Rogers erased them from history forever. The "Steve Rogers hooked up with the Peggy Carter from an alternate timeline" excuse is a weak and invalid excuse. Because when the Avengers traveled back to the past, they didn't travel to an alternate timeline in which Thanos never existed or Thanos never snapped out half the universe. The Avengers traveled back to the past in their original timeline in which Thanos snapped out half the universe. Because if the Avengers had traveled back to the past in an alternate timeline, then that means the 3 and 1/2 billion people that Thanos snapped out in the original timeline are still snapped out and the Avenges retrieving the stones and defeating Thanos doesn't back those 3 and 1/3 billion people. The Avengers had to travel back to the past in their original timeline in order to undo Thanos' snap and bring back those 3 and 1/2 billion people from their original timeline. And since the Avengers traveled back to the past in their original timeline to retrieve the stones from their original timeline, that means Steve Rogers also has to travel back to the past in the original timeline to return the stones. And that also means that Steve Rogers hooked up with the Peggy Carter from the original timeline. So Steve Rogers did indeed erase Peggy Carter's children in the original timeline from history forever. Basically, you can't have it both ways. Either: 1) Steve Rogers traveled back to the past in an alternate timeline to hook up with Peggy Carter, which means that the 3 and 1/2 billion people in the original timeline were still snapped out and the Avengers failed to bring those 3 and 1/2 billion people back OR 2) Steve Rogers traveled to back to the past in the original timeline to hook up with Peggy Carter, which means that Steve Rogers erased Peggy Carter's children from history forever.
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 20, 2019 2:47:02 GMT
Yeah, she says so in the footage shown at the museum in TWS. So that confirms 100% that Peggy Carter did have children with another man after Steve Rogers was frozen in ice. And because Steve Rogers was such a selfish asshole and used time travel to change history for his personal benefit, Peggy Carter's children have been permanently erased from history forever. Guess you just admitted that you have no idea how alternate timelines work. |
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Post by dazz on Dec 20, 2019 3:32:23 GMT
Steve is basically living out his fantasy with Peggy in an alternate timeline, one of many that exist in the MCU multiverse. No one was erased. She either didn't have children at all in this alternate timeline or she had different children with Steve. It's not that hard to understand. Her children still exist in the original timeline.
Nope Steve Rogers didn't travel to an alternate timeline. Steve Rogers traveled back to the past in his original timeline and effectively erased Peggy Carter's children from history forever. Peggy Carter's children not only don't exist in the original timeline, they will never even be born in the original timeline because Steve Rogers erased them from history forever. The "Steve Rogers hooked up with the Peggy Carter from an alternate timeline" excuse is a weak and invalid excuse. Because when the Avengers traveled back to the past, they didn't travel to an alternate timeline in which Thanos never existed or Thanos never snapped out half the universe. The Avengers traveled back to the past in their original timeline in which Thanos snapped out half the universe. Because if the Avengers had traveled back to the past in an alternate timeline, then that means the 3 and 1/2 billion people that Thanos snapped out in the original timeline are still snapped out and the Avenges retrieving the stones and defeating Thanos doesn't back those 3 and 1/3 billion people. The Avengers had to travel back to the past in their original timeline in order to undo Thanos' snap and bring back those 3 and 1/2 billion people from their original timeline. And since the Avengers traveled back to the past in their original timeline to retrieve the stones from their original timeline, that means Steve Rogers also has to travel back to the past in the original timeline to return the stones. And that also means that Steve Rogers hooked up with the Peggy Carter from the original timeline. So Steve Rogers did indeed erase Peggy Carter's children in the original timeline from history forever. Basically, you can't have it both ways. Either: 1) Steve Rogers traveled back to the past in an alternate timeline to hook up with Peggy Carter, which means that the 3 and 1/2 billion people in the original timeline were still snapped out and the Avengers failed to bring those 3 and 1/2 billion people back OR 2) Steve Rogers traveled to back to the past in the original timeline to hook up with Peggy Carter, which means that Steve Rogers erased Peggy Carter's children from history forever. Nope stupid you seem to forget A: They did not bring the people back in the past, they grabbed the stones from those alternative timelines and brought them to their current timeline and then wished the people back there, so they did in fact bring back the trillions, not 3.5 billion, but trillions upon trillions of sentient beings and untold amount of animals back from being snapped.
Also them going back in time is due to 1 of two things, either they travel back to an alternative timeline which only looks identical to their own due to it being slightly different, something as tiny as Mary Lou Poo wore her pink and white stripped socks to school on January 22nd 1956, where as in their world Mary Lou Poo wore here pink and white spotted socks to school that day, or that the second they went back in time they created an alternate timeline where there were 2 sets of Avengers in NY during the Battle of NY, in either case either due to travelling to an alternative timeline or creating one they did not alter their own timeline hence them not being wiped from existence.
As for Cap same thing except with the twist of it could be a Terminator issue where Cap going back to then is a predestined paradox, a loop in time, he goes back lives his life with Peggy who lives to see Cap be thawed from the ice and her words to him encourage his journey which leads to saving half of the universe and going back to live his life with her.
You are just too dumb to comprehend it is all, that and you are a bitter little monkey hopping around mad as if that banana you froze slipped all the way up your arse and now you have the colon chills and have no way of getting it out because the shit you could usually use to expel that frosted fruit has been expelled out of your mouth, heed my advice, zip yah lip, open yah mind and STOP PUTTING ICEY PRODUCE UP YOUR ARSE!!! It's just not healthy for you is all I am saying, you want to tinker with your stinker that's fine, but buy a proper toy for god sake you cheap bastard.
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 20, 2019 3:55:52 GMT
Nope Steve Rogers didn't travel to an alternate timeline. Steve Rogers traveled back to the past in his original timeline and effectively erased Peggy Carter's children from history forever. Peggy Carter's children not only don't exist in the original timeline, they will never even be born in the original timeline because Steve Rogers erased them from history forever. The "Steve Rogers hooked up with the Peggy Carter from an alternate timeline" excuse is a weak and invalid excuse. Because when the Avengers traveled back to the past, they didn't travel to an alternate timeline in which Thanos never existed or Thanos never snapped out half the universe. The Avengers traveled back to the past in their original timeline in which Thanos snapped out half the universe. Because if the Avengers had traveled back to the past in an alternate timeline, then that means the 3 and 1/2 billion people that Thanos snapped out in the original timeline are still snapped out and the Avenges retrieving the stones and defeating Thanos doesn't back those 3 and 1/3 billion people. The Avengers had to travel back to the past in their original timeline in order to undo Thanos' snap and bring back those 3 and 1/2 billion people from their original timeline. And since the Avengers traveled back to the past in their original timeline to retrieve the stones from their original timeline, that means Steve Rogers also has to travel back to the past in the original timeline to return the stones. And that also means that Steve Rogers hooked up with the Peggy Carter from the original timeline. So Steve Rogers did indeed erase Peggy Carter's children in the original timeline from history forever. Basically, you can't have it both ways. Either: 1) Steve Rogers traveled back to the past in an alternate timeline to hook up with Peggy Carter, which means that the 3 and 1/2 billion people in the original timeline were still snapped out and the Avengers failed to bring those 3 and 1/2 billion people back OR 2) Steve Rogers traveled to back to the past in the original timeline to hook up with Peggy Carter, which means that Steve Rogers erased Peggy Carter's children from history forever. They did not bring the people back in the past, they grabbed the stones from those alternative timelines and brought them to their current timeline and then wished the people back there
1st, they have no way of knowing if the stones even exist in an alternate timeline. 2nd, even if the stones existed in an alternate timeline, they have no way of knowing that all 6 stones in the alternate timeline can be found in the same location as their own timeline. So they had to go to the past in their own timeline, not an alternate timeline, to get the stones. That means Steve Rogers had to go to the past in the original timeline to return the stones. And that also means Steve Rogers hooked up with the Peggy Carter from the original timeline and thus effectively erased Peggy Carter's children in the original timeline from history forever.
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 20, 2019 5:28:03 GMT
^ proof that DC-Fan has no idea how alternate timelines work. Either that or he's just being a troll.
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Post by dazz on Dec 20, 2019 5:52:32 GMT
They did not bring the people back in the past, they grabbed the stones from those alternative timelines and brought them to their current timeline and then wished the people back there
1st, they have no way of knowing if the stones even exist in an alternate timeline. 2nd, even if the stones existed in an alternate timeline, they have no way of knowing that all 6 stones in the alternate timeline can be found in the same location as their own timeline. So they had to go to the past in their own timeline, not an alternate timeline, to get the stones. That means Steve Rogers had to go to the past in the original timeline to return the stones. And that also means Steve Rogers hooked up with the Peggy Carter from the original timeline and thus effectively erased Peggy Carter's children in the original timeline from history forever. Ok that's fair but I did address this which is why I said the other possibility is that if they go back to a point in their own history, and then the second they do they create the alternate timeline, this timeline exist on it's own, unconnected from the other at the moment of divergence, either way their action DO NOT alter THIER OWN TIMELINE, as is stated in the movie because doing so would create the BTTF issue of by altering the past you alter your present, and if those two things change you as you are cease to exist, which means that you cannot exist to go back in time to change the past, meaning the new timeline is erased and replaced by the original timeline, causing a temporal loop you cannot break.
BTTF fucked up using this because Marty after he alters the past should cease to exist as we knew him, he should not remember his old life nor be shocked by his new one.
This is also how Steve DOES NOT erase anyones kids from existing, because either it's a closed loop where he always went back and became Peggy's husband, or him doing so creates another timeline now unique to the original, where in that timeline he is Peggy's husband and father of her kids, but this is not erasing them as without him going back this timeline does not exist, Cap doing this creates another Peggy, another universe in fact, he hasn't wiped anyone out but he has helped create untold new lives that could come about due to this new timeline.
So again shut up, and go back under your bridge, because you are too dumb to understand this whole thing, ok troll boy?
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Post by damngumby on Dec 20, 2019 7:21:29 GMT
Steve Rogers time with her occurred in an alternate timeline with an alternate Peggy Carter. No harm, no foul. Nope, Steve Rogers didn't travel back to an alternate timeline. Steve Rogers traveled back to the past in his original timeline and effectively erased Peggy Carter's children from history forever. Steve Rogers traveled to the past of his original timeline and by doing so created an alternate, parallel, timeline with an alternate Peggy Carter. Call her Peggy Carter 2. It is in that timeline where he lived out his life with Peggy Carter 2. Peggy Carter 1 and her children in the original timeline were unaffected, due to the movie's time travel rule that you can not alter the past of a particular timeline. So, you are 100% wrong. Again. If you still don't understand this simple plot point, we'll just have to add it to the long list of things you continuously get wrong, and move on.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Dec 20, 2019 16:52:23 GMT
^ proof that DC-Fan has no idea how alternate timelines work. Either that or he's just being a troll. They literally drew a picture of this in the movie to explain it and he still doesn't get it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 19:04:19 GMT
Yeah, she says so in the footage shown at the museum in TWS. So that confirms 100% that Peggy Carter did have children with another man after Steve Rogers was frozen in ice. And because Steve Rogers was such a selfish asshole and used time travel to change history for his personal benefit, Peggy Carter's children have been permanently erased from history forever. Can you really blame him, though? Don't tell me you wouldn't do the exact same thing!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 19:05:32 GMT
^ proof that DC-Fan has no idea how alternate timelines work. Either that or he's just being a troll. They literally drew a picture of this in the movie to explain it and he still doesn't get it. It is pretty freakin hilarious how mad people get at his posts though. He has had you guys consistently flipping out over him for YEARS now!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 19:09:07 GMT
Nope, Steve Rogers didn't travel back to an alternate timeline. Steve Rogers traveled back to the past in his original timeline and effectively erased Peggy Carter's children from history forever. Steve Rogers traveled to the past of his original timeline and by doing so created an alternate, parallel, timeline with an alternate Peggy Carter. Call her Peggy Carter 2. It is in that timeline where he lived out his life with Peggy Carter 2. Peggy Carter 1 and her children in the original timeline were unaffected, due to the movie's time travel rule that you can not alter the past of a particular timeline. So, you are 100% wrong. Again. If you still don't understand this simple plot point, we'll just have to add it to the long list of things you continuously get wrong, and move on. This is true... BUT he still deprived a version of Peggy from seeing the beloved kids that he knew she would eventually have. It's like how The Ancient One explained that her new divergent timeline would be worse off for their interference if the stone's were removed. Steve was assuming that she would be happier with him than in the wonderful life he knew she would have without him. Does this alternate Peggy not deserve that same life that original Peggy had?
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Post by dazz on Dec 20, 2019 19:21:00 GMT
Steve Rogers traveled to the past of his original timeline and by doing so created an alternate, parallel, timeline with an alternate Peggy Carter. Call her Peggy Carter 2. It is in that timeline where he lived out his life with Peggy Carter 2. Peggy Carter 1 and her children in the original timeline were unaffected, due to the movie's time travel rule that you can not alter the past of a particular timeline. So, you are 100% wrong. Again. If you still don't understand this simple plot point, we'll just have to add it to the long list of things you continuously get wrong, and move on. This is true... BUT he still deprived a version of Peggy from seeing the beloved kids that he knew she would eventually have. It's like how The Ancient One explained that her new divergent timeline would be worse off for their interference if the stone's were removed. Steve was assuming that she would be happier with him than in the wonderful life he knew she would have without him. Does this alternate Peggy not deserve that same life that original Peggy had? That Peggy doesn't exist without Steve creating the alternative timeline by his actions, also what if her life with Cap is better than her life with the schlub?
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Dec 20, 2019 19:31:13 GMT
Steve Rogers traveled to the past of his original timeline and by doing so created an alternate, parallel, timeline with an alternate Peggy Carter. Call her Peggy Carter 2. It is in that timeline where he lived out his life with Peggy Carter 2. Peggy Carter 1 and her children in the original timeline were unaffected, due to the movie's time travel rule that you can not alter the past of a particular timeline. So, you are 100% wrong. Again. If you still don't understand this simple plot point, we'll just have to add it to the long list of things you continuously get wrong, and move on. This is true... BUT he still deprived a version of Peggy from seeing the beloved kids that he knew she would eventually have. It's like how The Ancient One explained that her new divergent timeline would be worse off for their interference if the stone's were removed. Steve was assuming that she would be happier with him than in the wonderful life he knew she would have without him. Does this alternate Peggy not deserve that same life that original Peggy had? Right, because she could do better than Captain America. LOL!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 20:01:14 GMT
This is true... BUT he still deprived a version of Peggy from seeing the beloved kids that he knew she would eventually have. It's like how The Ancient One explained that her new divergent timeline would be worse off for their interference if the stone's were removed. Steve was assuming that she would be happier with him than in the wonderful life he knew she would have without him. Does this alternate Peggy not deserve that same life that original Peggy had? That Peggy doesn't exist without Steve creating the alternative timeline by his actions, also what if her life with Cap is better than her life with the schlub? You make an interesting point here. So alternate Peggy is then, essentially, an entirely new individual who never would even exist if not for Steve's time travel shenanigans. Could the people of this new timeline be deemed as indirect creations of Steve himself giving him full moral right to play God in this new universe? We're getting reeeeeeeeaaaaal philosophical now!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 20:04:24 GMT
This is true... BUT he still deprived a version of Peggy from seeing the beloved kids that he knew she would eventually have. It's like how The Ancient One explained that her new divergent timeline would be worse off for their interference if the stone's were removed. Steve was assuming that she would be happier with him than in the wonderful life he knew she would have without him. Does this alternate Peggy not deserve that same life that original Peggy had? Right, because she could do better than Captain America. LOL! But his genes do not possess the physical perfection of the super solider serum! His offspring will be sickly and weak leading Peggy to a life as a caretaker to a roost of invalids who need round the clock care! She will be taking care of them until she's 90! You didn't think about that, did ya? What a life he has given her!
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Post by dazz on Dec 20, 2019 20:04:58 GMT
That Peggy doesn't exist without Steve creating the alternative timeline by his actions, also what if her life with Cap is better than her life with the schlub? You make an interesting point here. So alternate Peggy is then, essentially, an entirely new individual who never would even exist if not for Steve's time travel shenanigans. Could the people of this new timeline be deemed as indirect creations of Steve himself giving him full moral right to play God in this new universe? We're getting reeeeeeeeaaaaal philosophical now! Yes they are all his children in that regard...eeeew that means him and Peggy is kind of like incest, great the MCU just went full GOT.
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