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Post by dazz on Dec 20, 2019 20:08:57 GMT
Right, because she could do better than Captain America. LOL! But his genes do not possess the physical perfection of the super solider serum! His offspring will be sickly and weak leading Peggy to a life as a caretaker to a roost of invalids who need round the clock care! She will be taking care of them until she's 90! You didn't think about that, did ya? What a life he has given her! If the serum is in his blood it's in his spunk, which means Cap technically is achieve Hitler's dream of creating a master race no steve don't do it...or they could have adopted, or who knows Cap's natural genes being so weak could be incapable of superseding Peggy's clearly superior genes, oh god what if they combine equally and create average offspring, the horror THE HORROR!!!
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Dec 20, 2019 20:56:34 GMT
Yeah, but f*** those little bastards!
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 20, 2019 23:21:48 GMT
Right, because she could do better than Captain America. LOL! But his genes do not possess the physical perfection of the super solider serum! His offspring will be sickly and weak leading Peggy to a life as a caretaker to a roost of invalids who need round the clock care! She will be taking care of them until she's 90! You didn't think about that, did ya? What a life he has given her! Why would his offspring be sickly and weak?
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Post by politicidal on Dec 21, 2019 0:07:34 GMT
^ proof that DC-Fan has no idea how alternate timelines work. Either that or he's just being a troll. Or both. He's the Multitaskmaster!
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Post by dazz on Dec 21, 2019 1:31:47 GMT
^ proof that DC-Fan has no idea how alternate timelines work. Either that or he's just being a troll. Or both. He's the Multitaskmaster! Maybe but then the last time he tried to walk and chew gum at the same time he landed himself in the hospital with a gold club up his jacksie, how this happened is beyond anyones idea as he was walking across a football pitch at the time, and lets not get started on the time he tried to whistle and fart at the same time...jeesh.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2019 1:47:18 GMT
But his genes do not possess the physical perfection of the super solider serum! His offspring will be sickly and weak leading Peggy to a life as a caretaker to a roost of invalids who need round the clock care! She will be taking care of them until she's 90! You didn't think about that, did ya? What a life he has given her! Why would his offspring be sickly and weak? Steve Rogers was sickly and weak before he got the serum. Take a look at his medical form in TFA. He had a lot of serious health issues. Presumably much of this was genetic.
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 21, 2019 2:53:28 GMT
Nope, Steve Rogers didn't travel back to an alternate timeline. Steve Rogers traveled back to the past in his original timeline and effectively erased Peggy Carter's children from history forever. Steve Rogers traveled to the past of his original timeline and by doing so created an alternate, parallel, timeline with an alternate Peggy Carter. Call her Peggy Carter 2. It is in that timeline where he lived out his life with Peggy Carter 2. Peggy Carter 1 and her children in the original timeline were unaffected, due to the movie's time travel rule that you can not alter the past of a particular timeline. So, you are 100% wrong. Again. Nope, you're wrong again. If traveling to the past creates an alternate timeline leaving the original timeline unaffected, then the Avengers traveling to the past to retrieve the stones also has to create an alternate timeline leaving the original timeline unaffected, which means that the 3 and 1/2 billion people snapped out in the original timeline are still snapped out and the Avengers FAILED to bring any of them back. So like I said, you can't have it both ways. Either: 1. An alternate timeline is created, which means the Avengers FAILED to bring back any of the 3 and 1/2 billion people snapped out in the original timeline OR 2. It's the same timeline and thus Steve Rogers permanently erased Peggy Carter's children from history forever.
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 21, 2019 2:59:30 GMT
So that confirms 100% that Peggy Carter did have children with another man after Steve Rogers was frozen in ice. And because Steve Rogers was such a selfish asshole and used time travel to change history for his personal benefit, Peggy Carter's children have been permanently erased from history forever. Can you really blame him, though? Yes, we can and should blame him. Look at how Thor handled his time travel. It was extremely difficult for Thor knowing that his mother was going to die that day and he couldn't warn her. But Steve Rogers was a selfish asshole and used time travel for his own personal benefit without considering the consequences to the innocent lives that he was permanently erasing from history.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2019 5:56:59 GMT
Can you really blame him, though? Yes, we can and should blame him. Look at how Thor handled his time travel. It was extremely difficult for Thor knowing that his mother was going to die that day and he couldn't warn her. But Steve Rogers was a selfish asshole and used time travel for his own personal benefit without considering the consequences to the innocent lives that he was permanently erasing from history. So basically, you thought they did a great job with Thor in this movie.
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Post by damngumby on Dec 21, 2019 10:55:34 GMT
Steve Rogers traveled to the past of his original timeline and by doing so created an alternate, parallel, timeline with an alternate Peggy Carter. Call her Peggy Carter 2. It is in that timeline where he lived out his life with Peggy Carter 2. Peggy Carter 1 and her children in the original timeline were unaffected, due to the movie's time travel rule that you can not alter the past of a particular timeline. So, you are 100% wrong. Again. Nope, you're wrong again. If traveling to the past creates an alternate timeline leaving the original timeline unaffected, then the Avengers traveling to the past to retrieve the stones also has to create an alternate timeline leaving the original timeline unaffected, which means that the 3 and 1/2 billion people snapped out in the original timeline are still snapped out and the Avengers FAILED to bring any of them back. So like I said, you can't have it both ways. Either: 1. An alternate timeline is created, which means the Avengers FAILED to bring back any of the 3 and 1/2 billion people snapped out in the original timeline OR 2. It's the same timeline and thus Steve Rogers permanently erased Peggy Carter's children from history forever. Uh, no. You should probably have thought this completely through before hitching your wagon to another failed argument, cupcake. You're just embarrassing yourself at this point. After traveling to the past to retrieve the stones (and creating temporary alternate timelines in doing so), the Avengers returned to the present day of the original timeline and performed a "counter-snap", thus bringing back everyone who had disappeared a few years before. They never changed the past of the original timeline. When Steve Rogers returned to the past to be with Peggy Carter, he created an alternate timeline and remained in that alternate timeline with Peggy Carter 2. He never changed the past of the original timeline. In both instances, the original timeline was unaffected by the time traveling. Peggy Carter 1 still had children with another guy and the snap still occurred. Nothing you have said is correct. Clearly, all this time travel talk is way above your pay grade. I'll add it to the list.
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 21, 2019 16:39:28 GMT
Nope, you're wrong again. If traveling to the past creates an alternate timeline leaving the original timeline unaffected, then the Avengers traveling to the past to retrieve the stones also has to create an alternate timeline leaving the original timeline unaffected, which means that the 3 and 1/2 billion people snapped out in the original timeline are still snapped out and the Avengers FAILED to bring any of them back. So like I said, you can't have it both ways. Either: 1. An alternate timeline is created, which means the Avengers FAILED to bring back any of the 3 and 1/2 billion people snapped out in the original timeline OR 2. It's the same timeline and thus Steve Rogers permanently erased Peggy Carter's children from history forever. Uh, no. You should probably have thought this completely through before hitching your wagon to another failed argument, cupcake. You're just embarrassing yourself at this point. After traveling to the past to retrieve the stones (and creating temporary alternate timelines in doing so), the Avengers returned to the present day of the original timeline and performed a "counter-snap", thus bringing back everyone who had disappeared a few years before. They never changed the past of the original timeline. When Steve Rogers returned to the past to be with Peggy Carter, he created an alternate timeline and remained in that alternate timeline with Peggy Carter 2. He never changed the past of the original timeline. In both instances, the original timeline was unaffected by the time traveling. Peggy Carter 1 still had children with another guy and the snap still occurred. Nothing you have said is correct. Clearly, all this time travel talk is way above your pay grade. I'll add it to the list. Nope, you're still wrong. Either the Avengers traveled back to the past in the original timeline or an alternate timeline. If they traveled back to the past in an alternate timeline (which is unlikely because they wouldn't know if the stones even existed in an alternate timeline and even if the stones did exist, they wouldn't know if the stones can be found in the same location as the original timeline), then none of the 3 and 1/2 billion people snapped out in the original timeline were brought back so the Avengers FAILED. If they traveled back to the past in the original timeline to retrieve the stones, then Steve Rogers also had to travel back to the original timeline to return the stones. And in doing so, Steve Rogers hooked up with Peggy Carter in the original timeline and effectively erased Peggy Carter's children from history forever.
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Post by dazz on Dec 21, 2019 19:52:25 GMT
Uh, no. You should probably have thought this completely through before hitching your wagon to another failed argument, cupcake. You're just embarrassing yourself at this point. After traveling to the past to retrieve the stones (and creating temporary alternate timelines in doing so), the Avengers returned to the present day of the original timeline and performed a "counter-snap", thus bringing back everyone who had disappeared a few years before. They never changed the past of the original timeline. When Steve Rogers returned to the past to be with Peggy Carter, he created an alternate timeline and remained in that alternate timeline with Peggy Carter 2. He never changed the past of the original timeline. In both instances, the original timeline was unaffected by the time traveling. Peggy Carter 1 still had children with another guy and the snap still occurred. Nothing you have said is correct. Clearly, all this time travel talk is way above your pay grade. I'll add it to the list. Nope, you're still wrong. Either the Avengers traveled back to the past in the original timeline or an alternate timeline. If they traveled back to the past in an alternate timeline (which is unlikely because they wouldn't know if the stones even existed in an alternate timeline and even if the stones did exist, they wouldn't know if the stones can be found in the same location as the original timeline), then none of the 3 and 1/2 billion people snapped out in the original timeline were brought back so the Avengers FAILED. If they traveled back to the past in the original timeline to retrieve the stones, then Steve Rogers also had to travel back to the original timeline to return the stones. And in doing so, Steve Rogers hooked up with Peggy Carter in the original timeline and effectively erased Peggy Carter's children from history forever. The Avengers travelled to the past, in doing so they create a branching timeline diverging from their own at the moment that they appear, they then took the stones which are in the same place as before due to this timeline only diverging from their own since the mere minutes ago that they entered into it, they then travelled back to their own future, used the stones and then Cap returned the stones to those timelines.
Any time travel which is itself not a predestined event such as is the Terminator 1 adventure will in a multiversal approach to time travel creates a new timeline, only differing from your own due to your temporal shenanigans and splintering further from then on.
Now Cap could have created a new timeline where he lived with Peggy or he Kyle Reesed this bitch, either way Cap did not erase any kids because he cannot erase any kids as that alters history which alters the present which creates a stupid temporal loop, and the writers said it was one thing then the directors said it was another so who fucking knows anything except the simple fact that you sir are a dumb cunt.
I mean seriously your argument is the Avengers couldn't do it so they failed even though we seem them succeed in the movie, what sort of mentally challenged, jelly minded, pigeon brained fucktard are you exactly?
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 22, 2019 0:05:13 GMT
Nope, you're still wrong. Either the Avengers traveled back to the past in the original timeline or an alternate timeline. If they traveled back to the past in an alternate timeline (which is unlikely because they wouldn't know if the stones even existed in an alternate timeline and even if the stones did exist, they wouldn't know if the stones can be found in the same location as the original timeline), then none of the 3 and 1/2 billion people snapped out in the original timeline were brought back so the Avengers FAILED. If they traveled back to the past in the original timeline to retrieve the stones, then Steve Rogers also had to travel back to the original timeline to return the stones. And in doing so, Steve Rogers hooked up with Peggy Carter in the original timeline and effectively erased Peggy Carter's children from history forever. I mean seriously your argument is the Avengers couldn't do it so they failed even though we seem them succeed in the movie
Either the Avengers succeeded in an alternate timeline (which means the Avengers FAILED in the original timeline to bring back the 3 and 1/2 billion people from the original timeline) or the Avengers succeeded in the original timeline (which means Steve Rogers had to travel back to the past in the original timeline to return the stones and in the process of returning the stones in the original timeline, Steve Rogers being the selfish asshole that he is hooked up with Peggy Carter in the original timeline and permanently erased Peggy Carter's children in the original timeline from history forever. You can't have it both ways. Either 3 and 1/2 billion people remain snapped out in the original timeline OR Steve Rogers permanently erased Peggy Carter's children from history forever in the original timeline.
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Post by poutinep on Dec 22, 2019 0:15:49 GMT
How is this a thread? It was made clear that time travel doesn't work this way. James Rhodes: If we can do this, you know, go back in time... why don't we just find baby Thanos, you know, and... [Pantomimes strangulation] Hulk: Okay, first of all, that's horrible. James Rhodes: It's Thanos! Hulk: And secondly, time doesn't work that way. Changing the past doesn't change the future. Scott Lang: We go back, we get the stones before Thanos gets them, Thanos doesn't have the stones! Problem solved! Clint Barton: Bingo. Nebula: That's not how it works! Clint Barton: Well, that's what I heard. Hulk: Who told you that? James Rhodes: Star Trek, Terminator, Timecop, Time After Time... Scott Lang: Quantum Leap? James Rhodes: A Wrinkle in Time, Somewhere in Time... Scott Lang: Hot Tub Time Machine? James Rhodes: Hot Tub Time Machine, Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure, basically any movie that deals with time travel! Scott Lang: Die Hard? No, that's not one... James Rhodes: Look, this is known! Hulk: I don't know why everyone believes that, but that isn't true. Think about it. If you go into the past, that past becomes your future, and your former present becomes the past, which can't now be changed by your new future!Nebula: Exactly! Scott Lang: So, "Back to the Future"'s a bunch of bullshit? -------------------- Bruce Banner: [pleading with The Ancient One for the time stone... ] Please, please, please... The Ancient One: I'm sorry, I can't help you, Bruce. If I give up the time stone to help your reality, I'm dooming my own. Bruce Banner: With all due respect, I'm not sure that science really supports that. The Ancient One: The Infinity stones create what you experience as the flow of time. Remove one stone and that flow splits. Now, this may benefit your reality but my new one, not so much. In this new branched reality, without our chief weapon against the forces of darkness, our world will be over run. Millions will suffer. So, tell me Doctor, can your science prevent all that? Bruce Banner: No, but we can erase it. Because once we are done with the stones, we can return each one to its own time line at the moment it was taken. So, chronologically, in that reality, they never left. The Ancient One: But you are leaving out the most important part. In order to return the stones, you have to survive. Bruce Banner: We will, I will. I promise. The Ancient One: I can't risk this reality on a promise. It is the duty of the Sorcerer Supreme to protect the time stone. Bruce Banner: Then, why the hell did Strange give it away? The Ancient One: What did you say? Bruce Banner: Strange, he gave it away. He gave it to Thanos. The Ancient One: Willingly? Bruce Banner: Yes. The Ancient One: Why? Bruce Banner: I have no idea. Maybe he made a mistake. The Ancient One: Or, I did. Strange was meant to be the best of us. Bruce Banner: So he must have done it for a reason? The Ancient One: I fear you might be right. Bruce Banner: [the Ancient One hands over the Time stone to Hulk] . Thank you. The Ancient One: I am counting on you, Bruce. We all are. You can't have it both ways. Either 3 and 1/2 billion people remain snapped out in the original timeline OR Steve Rogers permanently erased Peggy Carter's children from history forever in the original timeline. Doesn't work that way chief. Rogers didn't travel 'back' to be with Peggy. He traveled to an alternate reality where she didn't end up with anyone except him. Sad that you still don't get this. You can't change the past in any timeline, you travel to an alternate reality which branches from the one you traveled from whose differences depend on the time travelers' actions.
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Post by dazz on Dec 22, 2019 0:52:06 GMT
I mean seriously your argument is the Avengers couldn't do it so they failed even though we seem them succeed in the movie
Either the Avengers succeeded in an alternate timeline (which means the Avengers FAILED in the original timeline to bring back the 3 and 1/2 billion people from the original timeline) or the Avengers succeeded in the original timeline (which means Steve Rogers had to travel back to the past in the original timeline to return the stones and in the process of returning the stones in the original timeline, Steve Rogers being the selfish asshole that he is hooked up with Peggy Carter in the original timeline and permanently erased Peggy Carter's children in the original timeline from history forever. You can't have it both ways. Either 3 and 1/2 billion people remain snapped out in the original timeline OR Steve Rogers permanently erased Peggy Carter's children from history forever in the original timeline. Yes you can, they can travel to different points in their past, at which point they create a new timeline but their gear on them at back at base snap them back to their original point of origin, and at a determined time, hence why everyone came back at the same time and not at separate points despite their missions taking different amounts of time, the return was programmed for a specific time and location in the multiverse, they didn't simply travel to the 2023 or whatever of whichever timeline they were in they were pulled back to their original timeline where little to no time had passed.
Also you clueless idiot more than 3 1/2 billion people got snapped away, half of all existence was taken out it is even stated in the movie Thanos killed trillions in an instant, also you demented fuck knuckle, Hulk specifically wished to bring back all the people who died because of the snap, his people that had died, even in an alt timeline due to the power of the Infinity Stones he could bring his timelines people back in any timeline he wanted, this just shows how fucking stupid you are, all this time you could have been adding the argument "what if Banner and them weren't in their own timeline but a near identical one and Banner brought back the OG timelines people into this diff timeline STEALING the place of those people's lives", you know rather than copy and pasting the exact same dribbling horseshit over and over again you one note idiotic unimaginative rat infested feted corpse of a cunt knuckle.
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 22, 2019 0:52:23 GMT
Rogers didn't travel 'back' to be with Peggy. He traveled to an alternate reality So you're basically saying that the Avengers traveled back to an alternate reality to retrieve the stones and brought back the 3 and 1/2 billion people in the alternate reality but the 3 and 1/2 billion people in the original timeline remain snapped out, which means the Avengers FAILED to bring back those 3 and 1/2 billion people in the original timeline. Got it!
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Post by poutinep on Dec 22, 2019 1:11:08 GMT
Rogers didn't travel 'back' to be with Peggy. He traveled to an alternate reality So you're basically saying that the Avengers traveled back to an alternate reality to retrieve the stones No. They didn't travel 'back' to a reality to get the stones. They traveled to (and created) 4 different alternate realities to get the stones. Then returned to the original timeline from which they came to undo the snap with a new snap. Rogers didn't travel 'back' to be with Peggy. He traveled to an alternate reality brought back the 3 and 1/2 billion people in the alternate reality but the 3 and 1/2 billion people in the original timeline remain snapped out, which means the Avengers FAILED to bring back those 3 and 1/2 billion people in the original timeline. Got it! The only timeline where anyone got snapped was the original one. and they brought back more than 3.5 billion people. Thanos' snap wasn't only for Earth....that would be rather pointless don't you think? All the effort to get the stones and only snap one planet?
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Post by damngumby on Dec 22, 2019 1:28:42 GMT
Either the Avengers traveled back to the past in the original timeline or an alternate timeline. If they traveled back to the past in an alternate timeline They didn't, so you can stop wasting your time arguing about it. They did. He did. Correction in italics. So far, every single person in his thread understands that you are wrong. The movie explicitly stated that the past could not be changed. Why you continue to argue that the past was changed is something you might want to discuss with your therapist. We MCU fans are willing to teach those who have difficulty understanding simple plot points, but you must want to learn. Otherwise you will just continue to wallow in your own stupidity.
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Post by poutinep on Dec 22, 2019 1:33:06 GMT
Either the Avengers traveled back to the past in the original timeline or an alternate timeline. If they traveled back to the past in an alternate timeline They didn't, so you can stop wasting your time arguing about it. They did. He did. Correction in italics. So far, every single person in his thread understands that you are wrong. The movie explicitly stated that the past could not be changed. Why you continue to argue that the past was changed is something you might want to discuss with your therapist. We MCU fans are willing to teach those who have difficulty understanding simple plot points, but you must want to learn. Otherwise you will just continue to wallow in your own stupidity. No man no!
The stones in the original timeline were destroyed by Thanos' second snap. No one traveled to the past in the original timeline.
No one returned stones to the original timeline.
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Post by damngumby on Dec 22, 2019 1:44:37 GMT
They didn't, so you can stop wasting your time arguing about it. They did. He did. Correction in italics. So far, every single person in his thread understands that you are wrong. The movie explicitly stated that the past could not be changed. Why you continue to argue that the past was changed is something you might want to discuss with your therapist. We MCU fans are willing to teach those who have difficulty understanding simple plot points, but you must want to learn. Otherwise you will just continue to wallow in your own stupidity. No man no!
The stones in the original timeline were destroyed by Thanos' second snap. No one traveled to the past in the original timeline.
No one returned stones to the original timeline.
They weren't destroyed, retroactively. They still existed in the past of the original timeline.
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