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Post by poutinep on Dec 22, 2019 1:48:06 GMT
No man no!
The stones in the original timeline were destroyed by Thanos' second snap. No one traveled to the past in the original timeline.
No one returned stones to the original timeline.
They weren't destroyed, retroactively. They still existed in the past of the original timeline. They were destroyed. They no longer exist in the original timeline because their destruction can't be undone and every stone that was brought to the original timeline from other timelines was returned to *its* original timeline.
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Post by damngumby on Dec 22, 2019 2:12:40 GMT
They weren't destroyed, retroactively. They still existed in the past of the original timeline. They were destroyed. They no longer exist in the original timeline because their destruction can't be undone and every stone that was brought to the original timeline from other timelines was returned to *its* original timeline. I don't know why you think that when the stones were destroyed they also ceased to have ever existed. The entire point of Steve Rogers returning the stones to the specific moments in the past when they were initially removed was to avoid creating a bunch of alternative timelines, caused by the removal of the stones.
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Post by poutinep on Dec 22, 2019 2:15:00 GMT
They were destroyed. They no longer exist in the original timeline because their destruction can't be undone and every stone that was brought to the original timeline from other timelines was returned to *its* original timeline. I don't know why you think that when the stones were destroyed they also ceased to have ever existed. The entire point of Steve Rogers returning the stones to the specific moments in the past when they were initially removed was to avoid creating a bunch of alternative timelines, caused by the removal of the stones. I didn't say they never existed...I said they were destroyed, as in they don't exist in the prime universe at any point after Thanos destroyed them.
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Post by damngumby on Dec 22, 2019 2:28:31 GMT
I don't know why you think that when the stones were destroyed they also ceased to have ever existed. The entire point of Steve Rogers returning the stones to the specific moments in the past when they were initially removed was to avoid creating a bunch of alternative timelines, caused by the removal of the stones. I didn't say they never existed...I said they were destroyed, as in they don't exist in the prime universe at any point after Thanos destroyed them. Which is why the Avengers had to travel to the past, retrieve the stones and bring them forward to the present day. Stop arguing with me or I'll revoke your sock status.
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Post by poutinep on Dec 22, 2019 2:46:08 GMT
I didn't say they never existed...I said they were destroyed, as in they don't exist in the prime universe at any point after Thanos destroyed them. Which is why the Avengers had to travel to the past, retrieve the stones and bring them forward to the present day. Stop arguing with me or I'll revoke your sock status. eh the way you word that sounds like you don't think they're switching universes just points in time in one universe.
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 22, 2019 3:47:10 GMT
So you're basically saying that the Avengers traveled back to an alternate reality to retrieve the stones. Got it! The only timeline where anyone got snapped was the original one. So you're basically saying that the Avengers traveled to the past in the original timeline, retrieved the stones in the original timeline, defeated Thanos in the original timeline, and then Steve Rogers traveled to the past in the original timeline, returned the stones in the original timeline, hooked up with Peggy Carter in the original timeline, and permanently erased Peggy Carter's children from history in the original timeline. Got it! That makes sense. Both events (the Avengers traveling to the past to retrieve the stones and Steve Rogers traveling to the past to hook up with Peggy Carter while returning the stones) have to happen in the same timeline. It can be either the original timeline or the alternate timeline, but the bottom line is it has to happen in the same timeline. If it happened in the alternate timeline, then that means the 3 and 1/2 billion people snapped out in the original timeline remain snapped out and the Avengers failed to bring any of them back. But you're saying that it happened in the original timeline. So that means Steve Rogers also returned the stones in the original timeline and thus permanently erased Peggy Carter's children from history in the original timeline. It's basically the same as when 2015 Biff traveled to 1955 to give 1955 Biff the almanac and then Marty and Doc traveled to 1955 to destroy the almanac. The 1955 that Marty and Doc traveled to is the same timeline that 2015 Biff traveled to because that's the timeline in which 2015 Biff gave 1955 Biff the almanac so that has to the same timeline that Marty and Doc have to travel back to destroy the almanac. Likewise, Thanos collected the stones in the original timeline and snapped out half the universe in the original timeline so that's the timeline the Avengers have to travel back to retrieve the stones (since 1) they have no way of knowing if the stones even exist in alternate timelines and 2) even the stones existed in alternate times, they have no way of knowing if the stones can be found in the same location as the original timeline) and that's also the timeline Steve Rogers has to return the stones to. So that confirms 100% that Steve Rogers permanently erased Peggy Carter's children from history forever in the original timeline.
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Post by poutinep on Dec 22, 2019 6:39:56 GMT
So you're basically saying that the Avengers traveled to the past in the original timeline No. retrieved the stones in the original timeline No. defeated Thanos in the original timeline Yes. Twice. and then Steve Rogers traveled to the past in the original timeline No. returned the stones in the original timeline No. Each stone was returned to its own original timeline, not the prime universe. Post-Endgame, there are no Infinity Stones remaining in the prime universe, Thanos destroyed the ones from Prime, all others were returned elsewhere. hooked up with Peggy Carter in the original timeline No. and permanently erased Peggy Carter's children from history in the original timeline. No. The past of the prime universe was unaffected.
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Post by damngumby on Dec 22, 2019 20:34:23 GMT
Which is why the Avengers had to travel to the past, retrieve the stones and bring them forward to the present day. Stop arguing with me or I'll revoke your sock status. eh the way you word that sounds like you don't think they're switching universes just points in time in one universe. They travelled back in time to points in the original timeline. By the time they had acquired the stones in each instance, they had altered the past sufficiently to have created alternate timelines ... so, I believe you are correct that the stones they brought forward to the original timeline present day were from those alternate timelines ... and it follows that Steve Rogers had to travel to the point in the alternate timelines when the stones were taken in order to restore things to the way they were. ie, no alternative timelines. When Steve Rogers travelled further back in time to be with Peggy Carter, he travelled to a point in the original timeline and then initiated a parallel timeline when he "hooked up" with Peggy Carter. The one constant I think we can all agree on is dcfan is wrong. Again.
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Post by scabab on Dec 23, 2019 1:03:10 GMT
I've deleted some of the more off topic nonsense. DC-Fan You don't need to keep repeating yourself like parrot and there's no need to concern yourself with who is or who isn't a sock. The Admin can check IP's so if he says they aren't the same person then they aren't, move on, stay on topic, don't antagonise people.
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