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Post by hi224 on Dec 25, 2019 23:45:12 GMT
brilliant actor who feels forgotten nowadays perhaps.
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Post by petrolino on Dec 26, 2019 0:03:58 GMT
What's sad to me is all the cliches that get trotted out about actors like Rod Steiger. "He shouts all the time, hams it up ...", as if that's all he did. Al Pacino gets it now, yet I can think of performances in which he's more subtle; said critics just choose to ignore them (like 'The Insider' which I mentioned here the other day). And besides, some parts call for ironclad charisma or volcanic activity over a sleepwalker phoning it in. I guess my point is that generalising is usually a lazy reaction, or done for shoddy humour. Rod Steiger did go way over the top in some roles, no doubt about it, but a lot of actors have done the same in their advanced years. I still think he's one of the greatest performers to ever lace up gloves even if he didn't always land a knockout punch. And some of the best work he did was late in his career - as a horror fan, I wouldn't trade Richard Elfman's 'Modern Vampires' (1998) for the world.
Here, going toe to toe in 'F.I.S.T.' (1978) with old pal Sly Stallone (who also gets his share of unfair criticism from lazy, dismissive critics) ... they'd later reunite for 'The Specialist' (1994).
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Post by hi224 on Dec 26, 2019 0:06:47 GMT
What's sad to me is all the cliches that get trotted out about actors like Rod Steiger. "He shouts all the time, hams it up ...", as if that's all he did. Al Pacino gets it now, yet I can think of performances in which he's more subtle; said critics just choose to ignore them (like 'The Insider' which I mentioned here the other day). And besides, some parts call for ironclad charisma or volcanic activity over a sleepwalker phoning it in. I guess my point is that generalising is usually a lazy reaction, or done for shoddy humour. Rod Steiger did go way over the top in some roles, no doubt about it, but a lot of actors have done the same in their advanced years. I still think he's one of the greatest performers to ever lace up gloves even if he didn't always land a knockout punch. And some of the best work was late in his career - as a horror fan, I wouldn't trade Richard Elfman's 'Modern Vampires' (1998) for the world.
Here, going to to toe in 'F.I.S.T.' (1978) with old pal Sly Stallone (who also gets his share of unfair criticism from lazy, dismissive critics) ... they'd later reunite for 'The Specialist' (1994).
id say the same about Lee J. Cobb but it also depends on how they are used as well.
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Post by petrolino on Dec 26, 2019 0:08:50 GMT
What's sad to me is all the cliches that get trotted out about actors like Rod Steiger. "He shouts all the time, hams it up ...", as if that's all he did. Al Pacino gets it now, yet I can think of performances in which he's more subtle; said critics just choose to ignore them (like 'The Insider' which I mentioned here the other day). And besides, some parts call for ironclad charisma or volcanic activity over a sleepwalker phoning it in. I guess my point is that generalising is usually a lazy reaction, or done for shoddy humour. Rod Steiger did go way over the top in some roles, no doubt about it, but a lot of actors have done the same in their advanced years. I still think he's one of the greatest performers to ever lace up gloves even if he didn't always land a knockout punch. And some of the best work was late in his career - as a horror fan, I wouldn't trade Richard Elfman's 'Modern Vampires' (1998) for the world.
Here, going to to toe in 'F.I.S.T.' (1978) with old pal Sly Stallone (who also gets his share of unfair criticism from lazy, dismissive critics) ... they'd later reunite for 'The Specialist' (1994).
id say the same about Lee J. Cobb but it also depends on how they are used as well. Yep. Of those heavyset character stars, Ernest Borgnine was frequently accused of all the same things, as was Charles Durning. I see them as passionate actors who could always bring it in the right role, also, with the right director in charge of the set to rein it in when needed.
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Post by hi224 on Dec 26, 2019 0:10:09 GMT
id say the same about Lee J. Cobb but it also depends on how they are used as well. Yep. Of those heavyset character stars, Ernest Borgnine was frequently accused of all the same things, as was Charles Durning. I see them as passionate actors who could always bring it in the right role, also, with the right director in charge of the set to rein it in when needed. Similiarly nowadays Bobby Cannavale feels like hes in that vein basically, loud showy character actor who needs a good director reign him in as well.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Dec 26, 2019 0:10:17 GMT
"Forgotten" ? nah !    On the Waterfront = In the Heat of the Night - Oklahoma |
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Post by petrolino on Dec 26, 2019 0:12:13 GMT
Yep. Of those heavyset character stars, Ernest Borgnine was frequently accused of all the same things, as was Charles Durning. I see them as passionate actors who could always bring it in the right role, also, with the right director in charge of the set to rein it in when needed. Similiarly nowadays Bobby Cannavale feels like hes in that vein basically, loud showy character actor who needs a good director reign him in as well. He's somebody I'm less familiar with. I know he's in 'The Irishman' (2019) which I've not seen yet.
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Post by petrolino on Dec 26, 2019 0:13:21 GMT
Similiarly nowadays Bobby Cannavale feels like hes in that vein basically, loud showy character actor who needs a good director reign him in as well. He's somebody I'm less familiar with. I know he's in 'The Irishman' (2019) which I've not seen yet. Actually, looking at his filmography I've seen loads of his movies, so scratch that comment lol.
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Post by hi224 on Dec 26, 2019 1:01:40 GMT
He's somebody I'm less familiar with. I know he's in 'The Irishman' (2019) which I've not seen yet. Actually, looking at his filmography I've seen loads of his movies, so scratch that comment lol. Bobby Cannavale is an actor who sort of gets typecast within character roles.
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Post by petrolino on Dec 26, 2019 1:08:11 GMT
Actually, looking at his filmography I've seen loads of his movies, so scratch that comment lol. Bobby Cannavale is an actor who sort of gets typecast within character roles. Very impressive on the indie circuit, I like some of his smaller films. Looks like he's on the verge of making a mainstream impact, maybe getting to headline some major projects.
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Post by koskiewicz on Dec 26, 2019 1:19:51 GMT
I only remember him from his performance in "The Illustrated Man"
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Post by BATouttaheck on Dec 26, 2019 3:35:02 GMT
He was also on Columbo ---and NOT as the killer !   |
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Post by BATouttaheck on Dec 26, 2019 3:39:22 GMT
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Post by BATouttaheck on Dec 26, 2019 3:41:43 GMT
and Napoleon   |
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Post by BATouttaheck on Dec 26, 2019 3:44:03 GMT
and Al Capone  
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Post by OldAussie on Dec 26, 2019 3:47:04 GMT
I'm a big fan.
So pleased he was oscared for In the Heat of the Night.
After being seemingly miscast in Doctor Zhivago he stole the show.
No Way to Treat a Lady is where his supposed hammery is used to great effect.
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Post by petrolino on Dec 26, 2019 3:52:18 GMT
I'm a big fan. So pleased he was oscared for In the Heat of the Night. After being seemingly miscast in Doctor Zhivago he stole the show. No Way to Treat a Lady is where his supposed hammery is used to great effect.
Entertaining movie from director Jack Smight, 'No Way To Treat A Lady'.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Dec 26, 2019 3:56:21 GMT
I'm a big fan. So pleased he was oscared for In the Heat of the Night. Me too ! Here he is with his 1968 Academy Award.  He was previously nominated for The Pawnbroker - 1966  and On the Waterfront - 1955 
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Post by bravomailer on Dec 26, 2019 4:36:30 GMT
I saw an interview with him long ago in which he said he was supremely confident he'd win Best Actor for The Pawnbroker and was half out of his seat when the person at the podium said, "And the winner is.........Lee Marvin." He went on to say he was supremely confident he would not win for In The Heat Of The Night.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Dec 26, 2019 4:38:59 GMT
Singing Rod
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