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Post by sdrew13163 on Jan 25, 2020 23:11:18 GMT
Both are mostly singular and gritty comic book movies.
I slightly prefer Joker, but it's close.
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Post by moviemouth on Jan 25, 2020 23:14:54 GMT
Logan
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Post by Lux on Jan 25, 2020 23:24:25 GMT
Logan was complete and utter shit. It started off well then completely fucked itself. The wolverine is still the best wolverine spinoff movie. Weakening a character just to make him relatable is the work of an amateur that needs to stay in film school.
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Post by jcush on Jan 25, 2020 23:26:44 GMT
Joker
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 23:42:49 GMT
Logan was complete and utter shit. It started off well then completely fucked itself. The wolverine is still the best wolverine spinoff movie. Weakening a character just to make him relatable is the work of an amateur that needs to stay in film school. This is ironic for two reasons. One, same writer/director. Two, The Wolverine also nerfed his healing abilities. Plus, in the case of Logan, I don't think just making him relatable was the aim. The movie is about growing old and death. |
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Post by Jason143 on Jan 25, 2020 23:43:28 GMT
I vote Logan because I liked the western motif.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jan 25, 2020 23:51:48 GMT
Logan because more fascinating.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jan 25, 2020 23:53:59 GMT
I haven't seen Joker, but I love Logan, possibly my favorite super hero film, so it's very unlikely I would like Joker better.
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Post by Lux on Jan 26, 2020 0:05:02 GMT
Logan was complete and utter shit. It started off well then completely fucked itself. The wolverine is still the best wolverine spinoff movie. Weakening a character just to make him relatable is the work of an amateur that needs to stay in film school. This is ironic for two reasons. One, same writer/director. Two, The Wolverine also nerfed his healing abilities. Plus, in the case of Logan, I don't think just making him relatable was the aim. The movie is about growing old and death. In the wolverine his powers were weakened because of those healing micro robots in his blood unless his pitiful state in Logan were the after effects of those robots it made little sense. |
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Jan 26, 2020 0:18:13 GMT
Joker
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Post by politicidal on Jan 26, 2020 0:19:52 GMT
Joker. I was one of six people that wasn't a fan of Logan.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 0:33:51 GMT
This is ironic for two reasons. One, same writer/director. Two, The Wolverine also nerfed his healing abilities. Plus, in the case of Logan, I don't think just making him relatable was the aim. The movie is about growing old and death. In the wolverine his powers were weakened because of those healing micro robots in his blood unless his pitiful state in Logan were the after effects of those robots it made little sense. They were spraying crops with stuff that suppressed the mutant gene. |
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Post by moviemouth on Jan 26, 2020 1:01:45 GMT
In the wolverine his powers were weakened because of those healing micro robots in his blood unless his pitiful state in Logan were the after effects of those robots it made little sense. They were spraying crops with stuff that suppressed the mutant gene. I don't remember that. I thought the movie was simply going in a more "realist" direction with his character. His age effecting his powers, though I don't know exactly how that would work in his case. Like Professor X, whose powers are also effected by age in the movie.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 1:23:45 GMT
Logan and it isn't even close. Pretty excellent writing, especially by CBM standards. Had a suprising amount of substance to chew on, and Hugh Jackman was far better than Phoenix. Joker was fun, but the writing ranges from passable to pretty damn poor.
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Post by Lux on Jan 26, 2020 1:24:10 GMT
They were spraying crops with stuff that suppressed the mutant gene. I don't remember that. I thought the movie was simply going in a more "realist" direction with his character. His age effecting his powers, though I don't know exactly how that would work in his case. Like Professor X, whose powers are also effected by age in the movie. Wolverine can't age. He's immortal. For me I need to know where were the other mutants, why was Xavier all of a sudden a nutter, where was Magneto and what happened to Xavier's school. Logan tried to be an edgy movie by parachuting into an already established world without laying the proper foundations first for proper Xmen fans and not just gritty revenge thriller fanboys. |
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Post by moviemouth on Jan 26, 2020 1:33:19 GMT
I don't remember that. I thought the movie was simply going in a more "realist" direction with his character. His age effecting his powers, though I don't know exactly how that would work in his case. Like Professor X, whose powers are also effected by age in the movie. Wolverine can't age. He's immortal. For me I need to know where were the other mutants, why was Xavier all of a sudden a nutter, where was Magneto and what happened to Xavier's school. Logan tried to be an edgy movie by parachuting into an already established world without laying the proper foundations first for proper Xmen fans and not just gritty revenge thriller fanboys. Logan changed the rules and I am fine with that. It is about old age, reflection and death as moviebuffbrad said. Charles Xavier has something akin to dementia. It is heavily implied that Logan and Xavier are the only living X-Men at the point the movie takes place and are on the run because most of the mutants have been killed off by the reavers. The movie is a post-apocalyptic western.
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Post by Lux on Jan 26, 2020 1:42:20 GMT
Wolverine can't age. He's immortal. For me I need to know where were the other mutants, why was Xavier all of a sudden a nutter, where was Magneto and what happened to Xavier's school. Logan tried to be an edgy movie by parachuting into an already established world without laying the proper foundations first for proper Xmen fans and not just gritty revenge thriller fanboys. Logan changed the rules and I am fine with that. It is about old age, reflection and death as moviebuffbrad said. Charles Xavier has something akin to dementia. It is heavily implied that Logan and Xavier are the only living X-Men at the point the movie takes place and are on the run because most of the mutants have been killed off by the reavers. The movie is a post-apocalyptic western. I find it hard to believe the xmen were killed by mercenaries. Apart from the Wolverine clone the reavers weren't threatening at all. Or capable of taking out mutants when they couldn't handle a little girl. |
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Post by moviemouth on Jan 26, 2020 1:52:15 GMT
Logan changed the rules and I am fine with that. It is about old age, reflection and death as moviebuffbrad said. Charles Xavier has something akin to dementia. It is heavily implied that Logan and Xavier are the only living X-Men at the point the movie takes place and are on the run because most of the mutants have been killed off by the reavers. The movie is a post-apocalyptic western. I find it hard to believe the xmen were killed by mercenaries. Apart from the Wolverine clone the reavers weren't threatening at all. Or capable of taking out mutants when they couldn't handle a little girl. It is implied that they are dead for a reason that is unspecified, but moviebuffbrad just pointed out that there is stuff being sprayed that suppresses the mutant gene and it isn't that far to go to assume the reavers have used it or something similar in the past. You do bring up my only issue with the movie, which is the reavers not seeming very powerful. I like everything else about the movie a lot and the revenge aspect isn't even high on the list for me. Logan has a powerful emotional core and is very well made and that is why it is an effective movie.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 1:53:41 GMT
I don't remember that. I thought the movie was simply going in a more "realist" direction with his character. His age effecting his powers, though I don't know exactly how that would work in his case. Like Professor X, whose powers are also effected by age in the movie. Wolverine can't age. He's immortal. For me I need to know where were the other mutants, why was Xavier all of a sudden a nutter, where was Magneto and what happened to Xavier's school. Logan tried to be an edgy movie by parachuting into an already established world without laying the proper foundations first for proper Xmen fans and not just gritty revenge thriller fanboys. I already told you. The bad guy lays it out pretty straightforward that crops are sprayed with mutant gene suppressors, thus mutants dying out. Wolverine's age is a side effect of his failing healing/regenerative abilities. And Xavier had dementia, but "nutter" is a very nice word choice. Good on you. Logan isn't anything like a revenge thriller, "revenge" isn't even a factor in anything in the movie. On the other hand: Joker, which I presume you voted for, is all about a guy getting back at a world that's shat on him and was clearly inspired by stuff like Taxi Driver and Death Wish. More great irony. |
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Post by moviemouth on Jan 26, 2020 1:55:46 GMT
Wolverine can't age. He's immortal. For me I need to know where were the other mutants, why was Xavier all of a sudden a nutter, where was Magneto and what happened to Xavier's school. Logan tried to be an edgy movie by parachuting into an already established world without laying the proper foundations first for proper Xmen fans and not just gritty revenge thriller fanboys. I already told you. The bad guy lays it out pretty straightforward that crops are sprayed with mutant gene suppressors, thus mutants dying out. Wolverine's age is a side effect of his failing healing/regenerative abilities. And Xavier had dementia, but "nutter" is a very nice word choice. Good on you. Logan isn't anything like a revenge thriller, "revenge" isn't even a factor in anything in the movie. On the other hand: Joker, which I presume you voted for, is all about a guy getting back at a world that's shat on him and was clearly inspired by stuff like Taxi Driver and Death Wish. More great irony. I think he is referring to the "revenge" against the reavers by necessity. I haven't seen the movie since 2017 btw.
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