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Post by formersamhmd on May 9, 2017 12:17:33 GMT
Is English your first language? (Seriously asking, not mocking you.) Yes.
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Post by lukelovesfilm34 on Jul 7, 2017 6:15:43 GMT
According to formersamhmd, the only things that make a good movie are colorful, accurate adaptations with quirky comedy, making every character almost indistinguishable from each other.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 6:19:16 GMT
According to formersamhmd, the only things that make a good movie are colorful, accurate adaptations with quirky comedy, making every character almost indistinguishable from each other. Actually, its the Fox-Men who are just a collection of boring ciphers indistinguishable from each other. If you actually watched the MCU films and paid any sort of attention, you'd understand the differences between the characters easily. Alas, you're a moron.
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Post by lukelovesfilm34 on Jul 7, 2017 6:23:41 GMT
There's only one version of the X-Men that matters apparently. That's Marvel's version. If Marvel was directly responsible for X-Men: Days of Future Past or Apocalypse, these petty, skeptic fanboys (formersam, ThatGuy, etc) would love every bit of them. Critics would've been more open-minded and given Apocalypse a better chance than they did. Seriously, according to RT, Marvel Studios can do no wrong... even though a lot of their movies are getting so formulaic, flat and boring....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 6:27:05 GMT
There's only one version of the X-Men that matters apparently. That's Marvel's version. If Marvel was directly responsible for X-Men: Days of Future Past or Apocalypse, these petty, skeptic fanboys (formersam, ThatGuy, etc) would love every bit of them. Critics would've been more open-minded and given Apocalypse a better chance than they did. Seriously, according to RT, Marvel Studios can do no wrong... even though a lot of their movies are getting so formulaic, flat and boring.... And that right there is why you will never be a director. You also suck at arguing. You didn't even try to challenge me on the point of the MCU characters being different. Also, you're an idiot if you think the critics hated Apocalypse due to being blinded by something. They hated it because it sucked. None of the MCU films have been formulaic, flat, or boring. You just have no taste in film, roach.
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Post by lukelovesfilm34 on Jul 7, 2017 22:38:04 GMT
Roach?? You're intelligence or lack thereof is showing.
I'm not going to bother arguing with you. MCU characters are pull string toys on film. They're not people. The only real emotion we got out of them was when Tony learned the truth about his parents. THAT'S IT. In Days of Future Past, Xavier has an incredible moment fighting with Magneto on the plane. But then again in Apocalypse, Magneto has an incredible moment, grieving over his wife and daughter. In X2, almost every character has a moment when Jean Grey sacrifices herself. In Logan, it's FULL of raw human emotion. And then, for the cherry on top, we get some of the coolest cinematic moments we could ever imagine in a superhero film - like Quicksilver zipping around his bedroom and then running around the kitchen, stopping bullets in DOFP or running through the X-Mansion saving kids in Apocalypse or like Nightcrawler attacking the White House in X2.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 23:31:00 GMT
Roach?? You're intelligence or lack thereof is showing. I'm not going to bother arguing with you. MCU characters are pull string toys on film. They're not people. The only real emotion we got out of them was when Tony learned the truth about his parents. THAT'S IT. In Days of Future Past, Xavier has an incredible moment fighting with Magneto on the plane. But then again in Apocalypse, Magneto has an incredible moment, grieving over his wife and daughter. In X2, almost every character has a moment when Jean Grey sacrifices herself. In Logan, it's FULL of raw human emotion. And then, for the cherry on top, we get some of the coolest cinematic moments we could ever imagine in a superhero film - like Quicksilver zipping around his bedroom and then running around the kitchen, stopping bullets in DOFP or running through the X-Mansion saving kids in Apocalypse or like Nightcrawler attacking the White House in X2. Oh, stop being such a cockalorum. Those moments are rudimentary and recycled at best. Just keep proving that you're not really watching the MCU films at all, and you're just seeing what you want to see. The fact you call the MCU characters "pull string toys" proves it. Thank you for putting your ignorance on display once again. You really are an idiot. Peggy Carter's funeral scene contained no humanity in it? Really? Wanda' guilt over accidentally sending Crossbones into the building? Bucky's own crushing guilt over the things Hydra made him do over the years? Steve going everything the establishment (again) in the name of what he knows is right? Yeah, you know nothing about writing characters.
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Post by summers8 on Jul 8, 2017 0:45:24 GMT
Roach?? You're intelligence or lack thereof is showing. I'm not going to bother arguing with you. MCU characters are pull string toys on film. They're not people. The only real emotion we got out of them was when Tony learned the truth about his parents. THAT'S IT. In Days of Future Past, Xavier has an incredible moment fighting with Magneto on the plane. But then again in Apocalypse, Magneto has an incredible moment, grieving over his wife and daughter. In X2, almost every character has a moment when Jean Grey sacrifices herself. In Logan, it's FULL of raw human emotion. And then, for the cherry on top, we get some of the coolest cinematic moments we could ever imagine in a superhero film - like Quicksilver zipping around his bedroom and then running around the kitchen, stopping bullets in DOFP or running through the X-Mansion saving kids in Apocalypse or like Nightcrawler attacking the White House in X2. Oh, stop being such a cockalorum. Those moments are rudimentary and recycled at best. Just keep proving that you're not really watching the MCU films at all, and you're just seeing what you want to see. The fact you call the MCU characters "pull string toys" proves it. Thank you for putting your ignorance on display once again. You really are an idiot. Peggy Carter's funeral scene contained no humanity in it? Really? Wanda' guilt over accidentally sending Crossbones into the building? Bucky's own crushing guilt over the things Hydra made him do over the years? Steve going everything the establishment (again) in the name of what he knows is right? Yeah, you know nothing about writing characters. ------------------------------------------------ ah yes, typical mcu generic writing style. shows the problem but never evaluates the problem or have their characters take any real drastic and unsafe action compared to the x-men characters that always do that. we know a lot about writing characters . we dont see that with mcu movies. peggy dies, cap dates her niece immediately? also peggy died of old age. her time had come. wanda's guilt? so she joins a team and does not have a mind of her own? you think she can take lesson from her dad magneto or herself in x-men evolution, bucky's own crushing guilt? so why didn't he turn himself him in and face the consequences? sony got spidey back and they made a generic light-hearted movie compared to the raimi films that struck the perfect balance of light and dark and seriousness and fun. mcu light and fun is the code word for leave your brains at the door and just enjoy this summer pop corn flick. gladly x-men movies tell heavier stories that carries on with you after you leave the cinema.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 9, 2017 11:45:33 GMT
Oh, stop being such a cockalorum. Those moments are rudimentary and recycled at best. Just keep proving that you're not really watching the MCU films at all, and you're just seeing what you want to see. The fact you call the MCU characters "pull string toys" proves it. Thank you for putting your ignorance on display once again. You really are an idiot. Peggy Carter's funeral scene contained no humanity in it? Really? Wanda' guilt over accidentally sending Crossbones into the building? Bucky's own crushing guilt over the things Hydra made him do over the years? Steve going everything the establishment (again) in the name of what he knows is right? Yeah, you know nothing about writing characters. ------------------------------------------------ ah yes, typical mcu generic writing style. shows the problem but never evaluates the problem or have their characters take any real drastic and unsafe action compared to the x-men characters that always do that. we know a lot about writing characters . we dont see that with mcu movies. peggy dies, cap dates her niece immediately? also peggy died of old age. her time had come. wanda's guilt? so she joins a team and does not have a mind of her own? you think she can take lesson from her dad magneto or herself in x-men evolution, bucky's own crushing guilt? so why didn't he turn himself him in and face the consequences? sony got spidey back and they made a generic light-hearted movie compared to the raimi films that struck the perfect balance of light and dark and seriousness and fun. mcu light and fun is the code word for leave your brains at the door and just enjoy this summer pop corn flick. gladly x-men movies tell heavier stories that carries on with you after you leave the cinema. Cap had known Sharon before then, so there was something to build on. And what does it matter if Peggy died of old age? Yes, Wanda's guilt. And what's wrong with joining a team? Bucky still doesn't have control over himself, and we saw how dangerous it would be for him to be incarcerated. Marvel got Spidey back and made a movie that surpassed most of anything Sony did. X-Men only has one story, that Singer just retells and rehashes over and over again.
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Post by lukelovesfilm34 on Jul 9, 2017 18:30:12 GMT
NOOOO! But that's the only story you seem capable of seeing.
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Post by lukelovesfilm34 on Jul 9, 2017 18:36:38 GMT
You MCU fans want every character to divulge how they think and feel exactly the same way.... With a soap opera back and forth discussion in private. That's not how normal people operate all the time. Some people can't be so open about how they think and feel. That perfectly describes a character like Scott. That's why you don't know much about him, but what matters - especially in Apocalypse you still feel like you know him. Every MCU character - including the Hulk has a sit down or stand alone with another character, boy or girl and literally talk like they're in a soap opera. That makes it really easy for you folks to understand their characters, doesn't it?? That's why soap operas have been so popular for so long. And their problems are usually completely solved in the next scene. There's never really any deep conflict. They literally are as shallow and empty as talking toys.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 19:01:54 GMT
You MCU fans want every character to divulge how they think and feel exactly the same way.... With a soap opera back and forth discussion in private. That's not how normal people operate all the time. Some people can't be so open about how they think and feel. That perfectly describes a character like Scott. That's why you don't know much about him, but what matters - especially in Apocalypse you still feel like you know him. Every MCU character - including the Hulk has a sit down or stand alone with another character, boy or girl and literally talk like they're in a soap opera. That makes it really easy for you folks to understand their characters, doesn't it?? That's why soap operas have been so popular for so long. And their problems are usually completely solved in the next scene. There's never really any deep conflict. They literally are as shallow and empty as talking toys. Actually, the X-men films that are the soap opera. Keep dreaming, though, loser.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 9, 2017 20:48:27 GMT
There's only one version of the X-Men that matters apparently. That's Marvel's version. If Marvel was directly responsible for X-Men: Days of Future Past or Apocalypse, these petty, skeptic fanboys (formersam, ThatGuy, etc) would love every bit of them. Critics would've been more open-minded and given Apocalypse a better chance than they did. Seriously, according to RT, Marvel Studios can do no wrong... even though a lot of their movies are getting so formulaic, flat and boring.... Actually, no. If Marvel made DoFP and Apocalypse the exact same way they are now, I still wouldn't like them. Let's get this straight right here. It's not a Fox vs MCU thing. It's good X-men movies vs bad X-men movies. If I every mention an MCU movie when it comes to these movies, it's for a comparative analogy. For the X-men movies, I actually liked Deadpool, First Class, Logan and even The Wolverine. But that doesn't matter to someone like you because I didn't name a movie that Singer directed.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 9, 2017 21:08:43 GMT
Roach?? You're intelligence or lack thereof is showing. I'm not going to bother arguing with you. MCU characters are pull string toys on film. They're not people. The only real emotion we got out of them was when Tony learned the truth about his parents. THAT'S IT. In Days of Future Past, Xavier has an incredible moment fighting with Magneto on the plane. But then again in Apocalypse, Magneto has an incredible moment, grieving over his wife and daughter. In X2, almost every character has a moment when Jean Grey sacrifices herself. In Logan, it's FULL of raw human emotion. And then, for the cherry on top, we get some of the coolest cinematic moments we could ever imagine in a superhero film - like Quicksilver zipping around his bedroom and then running around the kitchen, stopping bullets in DOFP or running through the X-Mansion saving kids in Apocalypse or like Nightcrawler attacking the White House in X2. When did Xavier fight Magneto on a plane in DoFP? Oh wait, you mean when Xavier yelled at Erik and sat there while Erik shut him down? That was one-sided and Xavier took everything that Erik said to him. He didn't even make a counterpoint. What wife and daughter did Erik have? Oh wait... you mean the ones we were introduced to 5 minutes before? The ones that were put on screen just to die? They might as well opened the movie with him holding them in the forest crying over their bodies because no one cared. Even X-men Origins had Silver Fox for a good chunk of movie so we'd care that she died. In X2, almost every character had a moment when Jean died? Half second flashes to sad faces is not having a moment. Only Scott and Logan were leaking snot and slobbering on each other. Xavier appeared to fall asleep. Logan was good. Wanna know why? Cancer!!! That moment when you realize the movie is about a guy with cancer, but through the filter of a superhero movie. Then you throw in the road trip with a sick old man and a long lost daughter!? That Oscar bait son!!! The Quicksilver scene in DoFP was good the 1st time we saw it when Nightcrawler did it in X2. The Quicksilver scene in Apocalypse was merely okay the previous time we saw Quicksilver do it in DoFP. The song was better than what was going on in the scene.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 9, 2017 21:26:58 GMT
Oh, stop being such a cockalorum. Those moments are rudimentary and recycled at best. Just keep proving that you're not really watching the MCU films at all, and you're just seeing what you want to see. The fact you call the MCU characters "pull string toys" proves it. Thank you for putting your ignorance on display once again. You really are an idiot. Peggy Carter's funeral scene contained no humanity in it? Really? Wanda' guilt over accidentally sending Crossbones into the building? Bucky's own crushing guilt over the things Hydra made him do over the years? Steve going everything the establishment (again) in the name of what he knows is right? Yeah, you know nothing about writing characters. ah yes, typical mcu generic writing style. shows the problem but never evaluates the problem or have their characters take any real drastic and unsafe action compared to the x-men characters that always do that. we know a lot about writing characters . we dont see that with mcu movies. peggy dies, cap dates her niece immediately? also peggy died of old age. her time had come. wanda's guilt? so she joins a team and does not have a mind of her own? you think she can take lesson from her dad magneto or herself in x-men evolution, bucky's own crushing guilt? so why didn't he turn himself him in and face the consequences? sony got spidey back and they made a generic light-hearted movie compared to the raimi films that struck the perfect balance of light and dark and seriousness and fun. mcu light and fun is the code word for leave your brains at the door and just enjoy this summer pop corn flick. gladly x-men movies tell heavier stories that carries on with you after you leave the cinema. You type under the quote box. Had me wondering where his ended and yours began. I'm thinking you missed Winter Soldier when Cap and Sharon were eyeing each other. They got closer during Civil War. And I don't think they were dating. They just kissed. What do you mean Wanda doesn't have a mind of her own? What does that have to do with anything. She tried saving a bunch of people by sending Crossbones into the sky, but she lost control of her powers and killed a bunch of other people. For the rest of the movie she felt like crap for that happening. If it was an X-men movie she would have forgotten it happened because Magneto is more important. When was the last time a "hero" in a movie turned themself in? Especially when they knew they were being framed. Dark and serious doesn't mean that a movie is intellectual. Just look at most of the X-men movies and the DCEU. The one thing you... guys don't get is that the MCU don't hit you over your head like a sledgehammer. That's what the X-men and DCEU movies do. They put all their forced feels right in your face so you know they are there. Their is no subtlety in the X-men movies... at all. I think that's why you guys don't see it. Like DC-Fan always like to say: You guys need it spoon fed to you.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 9, 2017 21:32:00 GMT
You MCU fans want every character to divulge how they think and feel exactly the same way.... With a soap opera back and forth discussion in private. That's not how normal people operate all the time. Some people can't be so open about how they think and feel. That perfectly describes a character like Scott. That's why you don't know much about him, but what matters - especially in Apocalypse you still feel like you know him. Every MCU character - including the Hulk has a sit down or stand alone with another character, boy or girl and literally talk like they're in a soap opera. That makes it really easy for you folks to understand their characters, doesn't it?? That's why soap operas have been so popular for so long. And their problems are usually completely solved in the next scene. There's never really any deep conflict. They literally are as shallow and empty as talking toys. Did you miss the airplane scene in DoFP? Did you miss the Xavier on Xavier scene in the same movie? What about the airport scene with Mystique? And the White House scene with Xavier and Magneto and Xavier and Mystique? What about the very soap opera-ish scene of Mystique talking to Magneto in Egypt and them obviously saving Quicksilver revealing his parentage to Magneto. Singer might as well 4th Wall broke that scene and walked out pausing it to tell us what he was doing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 22:41:01 GMT
You MCU fans want every character to divulge how they think and feel exactly the same way.... With a soap opera back and forth discussion in private. That's not how normal people operate all the time. Some people can't be so open about how they think and feel. That perfectly describes a character like Scott. That's why you don't know much about him, but what matters - especially in Apocalypse you still feel like you know him. Every MCU character - including the Hulk has a sit down or stand alone with another character, boy or girl and literally talk like they're in a soap opera. That makes it really easy for you folks to understand their characters, doesn't it?? That's why soap operas have been so popular for so long. And their problems are usually completely solved in the next scene. There's never really any deep conflict. They literally are as shallow and empty as talking toys. Did you miss the airplane scene in DoFP? Did you miss the Xavier on Xavier scene in the same movie? What about the airport scene with Mystique? And the White House scene with Xavier and Magneto and Xavier and Mystique? What about the very soap opera-ish scene of Mystique talking to Magneto in Egypt and them obviously saving Quicksilver revealing his parentage to Magneto. Singer might as well 4th Wall broke that scene and walked out pausing it to tell us what he was doing. Its only wrong when the MCU does it.
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Post by lukelovesfilm34 on Jul 11, 2017 23:07:07 GMT
OMG. weirdraptor, get this through your head. We are the underdogs fighting to stay above water. Your precious fcking MCU are the BULLIES, with all the power of Disney behind them. Stop acting so wounded.
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Post by lukelovesfilm34 on Jul 11, 2017 23:16:32 GMT
Let me make this clear to you. When I say the MCU is full of soap opera-esque drama between characters, I mean exactly that. It's cold, calculated and distant from the audience... so long as the audience has seen previous episodes and knows what the fuck is going on. The drama of Xavier attacking Erik does require you to watch the previous film (First Class). BUT it's not cold and calculated. It's brilliantly orchestrated (the painting on the wall behind Xavier highlighting the bullet in his spine) but also teaming with real, raw emotion. I only saw ONE MCU character get to show that level of emotion ONE TIME and that was Tony when he found out the truth about his parents.
Um, yeah. The X-Men comics and even the cartoons are full of this kind of scene but it was never done this well IMO. And Marvel isn't saving Hulk and Black Widow's budding romance for later?
BUT when Fox's X-Men do this, it's horrible. When you have this mindset going into the goddamn, of course it's going to be awful.
I don't go into an MCU film, ready to hate it. I want to see them rise to the level of skill I saw in X-Men: DOFP. I want to see their Quicksilver feel as awesome and real as the DOFP Quicksilver. BUT objectively speaking, it's just not there.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 0:33:26 GMT
Let me make this clear to you. When I say the MCU is full of soap opera-esque drama between characters, I mean exactly that. It's cold, calculated and distant from the audience... so long as the audience has seen previous episodes and knows what the fuck is going on. The drama of Xavier attacking Erik does require you to watch the previous film (First Class). BUT it's not cold and calculated. It's brilliantly orchestrated (the painting on the wall behind Xavier highlighting the bullet in his spine) but also teaming with real, raw emotion. I only saw ONE MCU character get to show that level of emotion ONE TIME and that was Tony when he found out the truth about his parents. Um, yeah. The X-Men comics and even the cartoons are full of this kind of scene but it was never done this well IMO. And Marvel isn't saving Hulk and Black Widow's budding romance for later? BUT when Fox's X-Men do this, it's horrible. When you have this mindset going into the goddamn, of course it's going to be awful. I don't go into an MCU film, ready to hate it. I want to see them rise to the level of skill I saw in X-Men: DOFP. I want to see their Quicksilver feel as awesome and real as the DOFP Quicksilver. BUT objectively speaking, it's just not there. You are so full of shit.
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