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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 12, 2017 1:45:45 GMT
Let me make this clear to you. When I say the MCU is full of soap opera-esque drama between characters, I mean exactly that. It's cold, calculated and distant from the audience... so long as the audience has seen previous episodes and knows what the fuck is going on. The drama of Xavier attacking Erik does require you to watch the previous film (First Class). BUT it's not cold and calculated. It's brilliantly orchestrated (the painting on the wall behind Xavier highlighting the bullet in his spine) but also teaming with real, raw emotion. I only saw ONE MCU character get to show that level of emotion ONE TIME and that was Tony when he found out the truth about his parents. Nah, Xavier and Magneto are played out. Totally. They're overdone and there's not much to their relationship to begin with. Especially not compared to Steve and Tony. |
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Post by lukelovesfilm34 on Jul 16, 2017 15:36:45 GMT
I think Xavier's growth as a character is done now. But I am so glad we got to see it. NOW, we can all sit back and enjoy McAvoy and or Stewart used wonderfully in a supporting role.
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Post by lukelovesfilm34 on Jul 16, 2017 15:39:51 GMT
weirdraptor, you're just not mentally capable of keeping up with me or arguing my points. I mean, you idiots have no respect for humanity or weakness in movie characters. This shows a complete lack of maturity.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 16, 2017 21:01:00 GMT
I mean, you have no respect for humanity or weakness in movie characters. We do, it's why we like the MCU. The MCU doesn't need to exploit the Holocaust for any of its characters, after all. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 23:32:01 GMT
weirdraptor, you're just not mentally capable of keeping up with me or arguing my points. I mean, you idiots have no respect for humanity or weakness in movie characters. This shows a complete lack of maturity.  Wow, you are so obviously a sheltered young man that's just now in college and thinks he knows things now. I look forward to seeing reality crush your spirit. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 22, 2017 16:43:49 GMT
Doesn't matter what they modeled it from. All the movies are mad libs of the same plot points. It's like Star Wars with TFA, but 4 times. He figured this was the 1st real X-men movie of the prequels so he he took a lot of stuff from the 1st OT X-men movie and put it in this. He even replaced Rogue with Xavier. I knew what was going to happen in Apocalypse, not from a story standpoint, but from how they did all the X-men movies up to that point. The XCU really needs more of a singular path told from multiple visions. What I mean by singular path is that they can't just randomly make movies. You get multiple timelines like Deadpool and Logan stemming off of the main one. Instead of them being a part of it. Not really. Singer was trying to mirror Giant Size X-Men. Where the newer X-Men tried to save the First Class. Xavier was a replacement for Hank, Jean, Bobby, Lorna, and Alex.
Ever noticed how Nightcrawler 's reintroduction was basically the same as his first appearance in Giant Sized?
Missed this one. The only part that was mirroring Giant Size X-men was the new team going after the originals at Stryker's base. Now let's look at Xavier. He looks for Magneto using Cerebro. Gets knocked out. It then transitions to him being Rogue. The villain kidnaps him for his power to transfer using a machine. The X-men fly in in a jet to rescue him. They fight 3 of the villain's henchmen. The machine does something to his hair. The same thing happens to Rogue. Apocalypse is basically the 2nd half of X1 with a bit of X2. |
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Jul 22, 2017 18:27:21 GMT
Not really. Singer was trying to mirror Giant Size X-Men. Where the newer X-Men tried to save the First Class. Xavier was a replacement for Hank, Jean, Bobby, Lorna, and Alex.
Ever noticed how Nightcrawler 's reintroduction was basically the same as his first appearance in Giant Sized?
Missed this one. The only part that was mirroring Giant Size X-men was the new team going after the originals at Stryker's base. Now let's look at Xavier. He looks for Magneto using Cerebro. Gets knocked out. It then transitions to him being Rogue. The villain kidnaps him for his power to transfer using a machine. The X-men fly in in a jet to rescue him. They fight 3 of the villain's henchmen. The machine does something to his hair. The same thing happens to Rogue. Apocalypse is basically the 2nd half of X1 with a bit of X2. Almost all of that is from Apocalypse stories. Apocalypse kidnapping Xavier to take his powers via alien technology is from the Twelve Saga. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 22, 2017 20:30:25 GMT
Missed this one. The only part that was mirroring Giant Size X-men was the new team going after the originals at Stryker's base. Now let's look at Xavier. He looks for Magneto using Cerebro. Gets knocked out. It then transitions to him being Rogue. The villain kidnaps him for his power to transfer using a machine. The X-men fly in in a jet to rescue him. They fight 3 of the villain's henchmen. The machine does something to his hair. The same thing happens to Rogue. Apocalypse is basically the 2nd half of X1 with a bit of X2. Almost all of that is from Apocalypse stories. Apocalypse kid napping Xavier to take his powers via alien technology is from the Twelve Saga. It's not from The Twelve if he only uses one person. It's just Singer using the same thing he used in the 1st X-men. Now if he went through the movie collecting powers before getting to Xavier then that would be different. Something like, because of what happened before his hibernation in Egypt, he had to regain powers. I think that's where the trouble with them relying too much on Magneto comes into play. They could have given that much more to Apocalypse if they didn't give so much to Magneto. |
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Jul 22, 2017 21:46:39 GMT
Almost all of that is from Apocalypse stories. Apocalypse kid napping Xavier to take his powers via alien technology is from the Twelve Saga. It's not from The Twelve if he only uses one person. It's just Singer using the same thing he used in the 1st X-men. Now if he went through the movie collecting powers before getting to Xavier then that would be different. Something like, because of what happened before his hibernation in Egypt, he had to regain powers. I think that's where the trouble with them relying too much on Magneto comes into play. They could have given that much more to Apocalypse if they didn't give so much to Magneto. I said stories(plural). There have been several times where Apocalypse had kidnapped Xavier because of his power. The first being Beyond Good and Evil from the 90s, then The Twelve, then Evolution as a horsemen, and then Ultimate X-Men where he was stomped by Jean. This marked the fifth time. So Singer was likely pulling from those instead of X1. Hell, they were originally going to have Apocalypse kidnap Xavier in an attempt to make him a horsemen just like in Evolution. But they changed it at the last minute so the film could have an actual fourth Horsemen(Psylocke). So likely that they originally got the idea from Evolution, just like they ripped off the idea of Apocalypse being trapped for thousands of years by his followers from that show. But then chose to go down the body stealing plot from The Twelve. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 22, 2017 21:51:50 GMT
It's not from The Twelve if he only uses one person. It's just Singer using the same thing he used in the 1st X-men. Now if he went through the movie collecting powers before getting to Xavier then that would be different. Something like, because of what happened before his hibernation in Egypt, he had to regain powers. I think that's where the trouble with them relying too much on Magneto comes into play. They could have given that much more to Apocalypse if they didn't give so much to Magneto. I said stories(plural). There have been several times where Apocalypse had kidnapped Xavier because of his power. The first being Beyond Good and Evil from the 90s, then The Twelve, then Evolution as a horsemen, and then Ultimate X-Men where he was stomped by Jean. This marked the fifth time. So Singer was likely pulling from those instead of X1. Hell, they were originally going to have Apocalypse kidnap Xavier in an attempt to make him a horsemen just like in Evolution. But they changed it at the last minute so the film could have an actual fourth Horsemen(Psylocke). So likely that they originally got the idea from Evolution, just like they ripped off the idea of Apocalypse being trapped for thousands of years by his followers from that show. But then chose to go down the body stealing plot from The Twelve. Or they just rehashed the plot from X1 and replaced Rogue. The whole set up comes straight from X1. No real deviation. Just padding so they can have that Weapon X sequence. |
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Jul 22, 2017 22:01:12 GMT
I said stories(plural). There have been several times where Apocalypse had kidnapped Xavier because of his power. The first being Beyond Good and Evil from the 90s, then The Twelve, then Evolution as a horsemen, and then Ultimate X-Men where he was stomped by Jean. This marked the fifth time. So Singer was likely pulling from those instead of X1. Hell, they were originally going to have Apocalypse kidnap Xavier in an attempt to make him a horsemen just like in Evolution. But they changed it at the last minute so the film could have an actual fourth Horsemen(Psylocke). So likely that they originally got the idea from Evolution, just like they ripped off the idea of Apocalypse being trapped for thousands of years by his followers from that show. But then chose to go down the body stealing plot from The Twelve. Or they just rehashed the plot from X1 and replaced Rogue. The whole set up comes straight from X1. No real deviation. Just padding so they can have that Weapon X sequence. Evidence points to Evolution being the inspiration based on what Oscar Isaac said. www.comicbookmovie.com/x-men/x-men_apocalypse/oscar-isaac-talks-comic-book-inspiration-and-more-for-a127989 |
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Jul 22, 2017 22:02:34 GMT
Oh and it had to be Magmeto to cause the destruction. Since they were playing up the idea of fate.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 22, 2017 22:36:31 GMT
Oh and it had to be Magmeto to cause the destruction. Since they were playing up the idea of fate. Too. Much. Magneto. Just waiting on the bait and switch and they have to stop Magneto at the end of Dark Phoenix. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 22, 2017 22:37:53 GMT
You mean an actor that wasn't there for the writing process? |
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Jul 22, 2017 23:15:14 GMT
You mean an actor that wasn't there for the writing process? An actor that was in contact with the writers and has the evidence to back up his claim. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 22, 2017 23:40:23 GMT
Oh and it had to be Magmeto to cause the destruction. Since they were playing up the idea of fate. Silly BS justification, because they were too spineless to just admit "Yes, we wanted Magneto back because we don't like writing for anyone else." |
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 23, 2017 2:24:41 GMT
You mean an actor that wasn't there for the writing process? An actor that was in contact with the writers and has the evidence to back up his claim. So you saying they could've told him anything. |
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Jul 23, 2017 12:46:35 GMT
An actor that was in contact with the writers and has the evidence to back up his claim. So you saying they could've told him anything. |
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Jul 23, 2017 12:48:36 GMT
So you're saying he was lying?
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 23, 2017 12:52:28 GMT
So you're saying he was lying? Or that they could have told him anything. If I told you I found $10,000 in a suit case and you told someone else, you wouldn't be the one that was lying. |
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