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Post by movieliker on Apr 4, 2020 16:27:05 GMT
It's good to get out the house once in a while, so you don't suffer from "cabin fever". I say if you stay 6 feet away from others and don't touch your face, you should be okay. A few people passing in the street and in the supermarket weren’t sticking to the 2m rule. So I shot them. On the way back I walked down the road rather than the pavement! Easiest way to avoid people ... and the road traffic was pretty light. You shot them ?? How convenient.
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Post by movieliker on Apr 4, 2020 16:29:40 GMT
It's good to get out the house once in a while, so you don't suffer from "cabin fever". I say if you stay 6 feet away from others and don't touch your face, you should be okay. A few people passing in the street and in the supermarket weren’t sticking to the 2m rule. So I shot them. On the way back I walked down the road rather than the pavement! Easiest way to avoid people ... and the road traffic was pretty light. I don't think passing people is a risk. Especially if they're not coughing or sneezing. I think they mean don't stand by and/or talk with anybody closer than 6 feet.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Apr 4, 2020 16:51:26 GMT
A few people passing in the street and in the supermarket weren’t sticking to the 2m rule. So I shot them. On the way back I walked down the road rather than the pavement! Easiest way to avoid people ... and the road traffic was pretty light. I don't think passing people is a risk. Especially if they're not coughing or sneezing. I think they mean don't stand by and/or talk with anybody closer than 6 feet. I don't know.
Still can't believe all the ignorant bikers/runners out there who pass you pretty much 1 foot away.
Still have this fear in my head that when they pass me their breath molecules are in the air - or when passing each other going the opposite direction - I'm also thinking to myself - what stream of breath molecules I'm running into.
Going to start wearing a mask (bandana) everytime I go out now - i.e. food shopping.
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Post by movieliker on Apr 4, 2020 17:13:45 GMT
I don't think passing people is a risk. Especially if they're not coughing or sneezing. I think they mean don't stand by and/or talk with anybody closer than 6 feet. I don't know.
Still can't believe all the ignorant bikers/runners out there who pass you pretty much 1 foot away.
Still have this fear in my head that when they pass me their breath molecules are in the air - or when passing each other going the opposite direction - I'm also thinking to myself - what stream of breath molecules I'm running into.
Going to start wearing a mask (bandana) everytime I go out now - i.e. food shopping.
I think wearing a mask is a good thing. Even a home made do-rag or bandana. Just have more than one, and wash them everyday. (Down here the local news warned against bandanas across the face in a store. You might be mistakened for a robber . . . ha ha ha . . . ) If you are passing runners and bikers, I would suppose they are - by design - breathing heavy. That would cause the infected molecules to shoot out of their mouths and noses with more force. But still, they would have to breathe, talk, scream, cough or sneeze right in your face to get you infected.And --- the farther away you are from a breathing, talking, screaming, coughing, sneezing person --- there is degradation that occurs over distances. It's like a shotgun blast. The farther away the BBs get away from the end of the gun, the more they spread out, and the less effective they become. (Remember, there is only a 50 percent chance that you will contract the virus even if you come in contact with it. If you do contract it, there is only a 50 percent chance you will get sick. (25 percent of the total) If you do get sick, there is still a 80 percent chance you won't have to be hospitalized. (Only 10 percent of the total will have to be hospitalized.) And only 2 to 4 percent of those hospitalized will die (1 to 2 percent of the total population). I support social distancing and self isolation. But let's keep it in context of the facts.)
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Apr 4, 2020 17:18:11 GMT
I don't know.
Still can't believe all the ignorant bikers/runners out there who pass you pretty much 1 foot away.
Still have this fear in my head that when they pass me their breath molecules are in the air - or when passing each other going the opposite direction - I'm also thinking to myself - what stream of breath molecules I'm running into.
Going to start wearing a mask (bandana) everytime I go out now - i.e. food shopping.
I think wearing a mask is a good thing. Even a home made do-rag or bandana. Just have more than one, and wash them everyday. (Down here the local news warned against bandanas across the face in a store. You might be mistakened for a robber . . . ha ha ha . . . ) If you are passing runners and bikers, I would suppose they are - by design - breathing heavy. That would cause the infected molecules to shoot out of their mouths and noses with more force. But still, they would have to breathe, cough or sneeze right in your face to get you infected.And --- the farther away you are from a breathing, talking, screaming, coughing, sneezing person --- there is degradation that occurs over distances. It's like a shotgun blast. The farther away the BBs gey away from the end of the gun, the more they spread out, and the less effective they become. (Remember, there is only a 50 percent chance that you will contract the virus even if you come in contact with it. If you do contract it, there is only a 50 percent chance you will get sick. (25 percent of the total) If you do get sick, there is still a 80 percent chance you won't have to be hospitalized. (Only 10 percent of the total will have to be hospitalized.) And only 2 to 4 percent of those hospitalized will die (1 to 2 percent of the total population). I support social distancing and self isolation. But let's keep it in context if the facts.) All that said -
I couldn't live with myself if I got anybody else inadvertently sick - since we can get it and not even know we have it - trying to take every precaution to prevent that.
I consider myself a healthy person and I know studies have shown it's not just the elderly that get it - but I just don't want to put anybody else at risk for my own ignorant actions - I know we're 'allowed' to exercise outside - which I'm doing but questioning and struggling with - think the safest thing is to stay at home.
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Post by movieliker on Apr 4, 2020 17:23:50 GMT
I think wearing a mask is a good thing. Even a home made do-rag or bandana. Just have more than one, and wash them everyday. (Down here the local news warned against bandanas across the face in a store. You might be mistakened for a robber . . . ha ha ha . . . ) If you are passing runners and bikers, I would suppose they are - by design - breathing heavy. That would cause the infected molecules to shoot out of their mouths and noses with more force. But still, they would have to breathe, talk, scream, cough or sneeze right in your face to get you infected.And --- the farther away you are from a breathing, talking, screaming, coughing, sneezing person --- there is degradation that occurs over distances. It's like a shotgun blast. The farther away the BBs gey away from the end of the gun, the more they spread out, and the less effective they become. (Remember, there is only a 50 percent chance that you will contract the virus even if you come in contact with it. If you do contract it, there is only a 50 percent chance you will get sick. (25 percent of the total) If you do get sick, there is still a 80 percent chance you won't have to be hospitalized. (Only 10 percent of the total will have to be hospitalized.) And only 2 to 4 percent of those hospitalized will die (1 to 2 percent of the total population). I support social distancing and self isolation. But let's keep it in context of the facts.) All that said -
I couldn't live with myself if I got anybody else inadvertently sick - since we can get it and not even know we have it - trying to take every precaution to prevent that.
I consider myself a healthy person and I know studies have shown it's not just the elderly that get it - but I just don't want to put anybody else at risk for my own ignorant actions - I know we're 'allowed' to exercise outside - which I'm doing but questioning and struggling with - think the safest thing is to stay at home. I agree. That's why I support social distancing and self isolation. Down here, we're entering the 3rd week of the governor's Stay at Home Order. Police are enforcing nobody but essential businesses, errands and chores are allowed. And no groups of 10 or more people. Half of our parishes/counties now have curfews from 9PM to 6AM. I haven't worked in two weeks. I support that. (I'm sticking by my prediction of "2 to 4 weeks things will start going back to normal". That was a week ago. So now, 1 to 3 weeks.)
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Apr 4, 2020 17:30:25 GMT
All that said -
I couldn't live with myself if I got anybody else inadvertently sick - since we can get it and not even know we have it - trying to take every precaution to prevent that.
I consider myself a healthy person and I know studies have shown it's not just the elderly that get it - but I just don't want to put anybody else at risk for my own ignorant actions - I know we're 'allowed' to exercise outside - which I'm doing but questioning and struggling with - think the safest thing is to stay at home. I agree. That's why I support social distancing and self isolation. Down here, we're entering the 3rd week of the governor's Stay at Home Order. Police are enforcing nobody but essential businesses, errands and chores are allowed. And no groups of 10 or more people. Half of our parishes/counties now have curfews from 9PM to 6AM. I haven't worked in two weeks. I support that. (I'm sticking by my prediction of "2 to 4 weeks things will start going back to normal". That was a week ago. So now, 1 to 3 weeks.) I hope you're right.
I consider myself a positive person - sadly I think this is going to last until Memorial Day.
Keeping my fingers crossed everything is back to normal for the kickoff to Summer but I'm not holding my breath.
I think it was alarming Wimbledon got cancelled - and that's around the 4th of July.
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Post by movieliker on Apr 4, 2020 17:41:03 GMT
I agree. That's why I support social distancing and self isolation. Down here, we're entering the 3rd week of the governor's Stay at Home Order. Police are enforcing nobody but essential businesses, errands and chores are allowed. And no groups of 10 or more people. Half of our parishes/counties now have curfews from 9PM to 6AM. I haven't worked in two weeks. I support that. (I'm sticking by my prediction of "2 to 4 weeks things will start going back to normal". That was a week ago. So now, 1 to 3 weeks.) I hope you're right.
I consider myself a positive person - sadly I think this is going to last until Memorial Day.
Keeping my fingers crossed everything is back to normal for the kickoff to Summer but I'm not holding my breath.
I think it was alarming Wimbledon got cancelled - and that's around the 4th of July. I don't know. That's just my opinion. When I say "back to normal" I don't mean a flip switch back to everything the way it was. I mean most curves will have flattened, the medical community will have more equipment and information, slowly but surely more and more people will return to work --- a gradual return. But like you, I think completely normal won't be until Fall. (We just had a 2 week Stay at Home Order. The governor just extended it for 4 more weeks. That's 6 total.)
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Post by bluerisk on Apr 4, 2020 17:42:27 GMT
A few people passing in the street and in the supermarket weren’t sticking to the 2m rule. So I shot them. On the way back I walked down the road rather than the pavement! Easiest way to avoid people ... and the road traffic was pretty light. You shot them ?? How convenient. He is lying - like all Europeans he is not allowed to have guns.
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Post by movieliker on Apr 4, 2020 17:43:39 GMT
You shot them ?? How convenient. He is lying - like all Europeans he is not allowed to have guns. Ha ha ha . . . I would hope so . . . Ha ha ha . . .
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Post by bluerisk on Apr 4, 2020 18:49:47 GMT
He is lying - like all Europeans he is not allowed to have guns. Ha ha ha . . . I would hope so . . . Ha ha ha . . . That's why post-apocalyptic Zombie movies always about survivors in the US; there won't be any in Europe. The police and military is obviously to dumb to fight and survive zombies, and civilians in Europe lack the means to defend themselves...after the police and military failed them. Let's hope that this virus doesn't mutate and becomes something really dangerous.
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Post by bluerisk on Apr 4, 2020 20:11:12 GMT
The Merkel-regime at its best:
"How do we get Corona under control?"
Internal paper from the Ministry of the Interior recommended that the Germans be scared of Corona divide
Home page divide E-mail Comments More Coronavirus - Berlin Christophe Gateau / dpaPeople enjoy the good weather in the Berlin Wall Park FOCUS online editor Florian Reiter Saturday, 04.04.2020, 20:16
Twelve thousand dead - in the best case scenario: an internal paper from the Federal Ministry of the Interior to contain the Corona crisis caused a stir at the end of March. In it, the authors advocate, among other things, nationwide tests based on the model of South Korea. But only now is it coming out: The paper also recommends drastic measures for crisis communication.
There are shocking numbers that the internal report "How we can get Covid-19 under control" goes through: 70 percent of Germans could become infected with the corona virus, more than a million citizens could die if a "massive overload of the health system" did not result from resolute intervention is avoided. The secret paper from the Federal Ministry of the Interior, dated March 22, also caused attention for another reason; because it spoke in favor of nationwide mass tests based on the example of South Korea. "This enables an appropriate and gradual intervention in economic and social processes in the first place (...)", says the text.
Already at the end of March the paper, with its frightening numbers and its far-reaching recommendations for action, was haunted by the media for the first time. The "Spiegel" , the " Süddeutsche Zeitung" as well as the WDR and NDR had reported about it among other things. Back then, the report attracted criticism mainly because its content partially referred to a blog post on the Internet , the content of which is not shared by experts. Ministry spokesman Steve Alter said at the end of March that the paper should describe how the current situation could affect internal security, "what different courses are conceivable here".
"The silence of the worst case is not an option" The Ministry of the Interior had refused to make the paper available to other media on the basis of press law and the Freedom of Information Act: the document was "classified information" and "for official use only". Now the non-profit portal “Ask the State” has published the complete, 17-page paper . And it turns out that the paper was not only concerned with the question of how best to contain the pandemic. The authors also dealt with communication strategies. How do I convey the seriousness of the situation to people? And how do I get them to participate when it comes to exit restrictions, restaurant closings and home office?
In concrete terms, the authors of the text see two dangers: On the one hand, a loss of trust in the institutions, which must be counteracted by the greatest possible transparency. The motto is: "There is something very dangerous ahead of us, but we have recognized the danger and have decided and acted on it," says the paper. And: "In order to mobilize social perseverance, hiding the worst case is not an option." Anyone who wants to avert the danger must know it.
The thoughts of the "many" However, the authors' second concern is that the population cannot take this danger seriously. A fixation on the rather low percentage mortality rate could lead to the seriousness of the situation being underestimated. At one point in the paper it is said that "many" think "unconsciously and admitted: 'Well, this is how we get rid of the old people who are pulling our economy down, we are already too many on Earth anyway, and with one I inherit a little bit of luck a little earlier '. ”There is no evidence for this thesis in the report.
The authors recommend drastic measures to make the population aware of the seriousness of the situation. "In order to achieve the desired shock effect, the concrete effects of an epidemic on human society must be clarified," write the authors, and give three concrete example scenarios.
"Asphyxiation is a primal fear for everyone"
First , many of the critically ill would be “taken to hospital but rejected,” by their relatives, and will die at home in agony for air. Choking or not getting enough air (sic) is a primal fear for everyone. The situation in which there is nothing you can do to help family members who are in danger of death is also true. ”
Second , the paper even recommends scaring children. "Children will get infected easily, even with exit restrictions, for example with neighboring children," says the text. "Then when they infect their parents and one of them dies painfully at home and they feel to blame for it, for example because they forgot to wash their hands after playing, it is the most terrible thing a child has ever done can experience. "
Third , the authors propose to remember possible long-term damage. "Even if we only have reports on individual cases so far, they paint an alarming picture," says the report. “Even apparently healed people after a mild course can apparently experience relapses at any time, which then suddenly end in death, due to heart attack or lung failure because the virus has found its way into the lungs or heart unnoticed. These may be isolated cases, but will always hover over those who have been infected like a sword of Damocles. ”
The "1919 + 1929" formula The authors also propose that it should be “historically argued,” using the formula: “2019 = 1919 + 1929”. In 1919, the Spanish flu spread from the USA to the whole world and, depending on the count, killed between 25 and 50 million people. The year 1929 is again the year of the famous global economic crisis, which among other things had contributed to the rise of fascism in Germany. The authors' message: The corona pandemic will be as bad as the Spanish flu and the global economic crisis if they are not contained. This formula will "make sense to everyone," the authors write.
It is unclear whether actual communication experts were involved in the paper. The Interior Ministry has so far not commented on the identity of the authors. The "Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung" (FAZ) reports that a total of "a group of ten experts" worked on the paper. However, only four authors are mentioned in the report - all of them economists.
How much attention the paper received in government circles is also unknown. Interior Minister Horst Seehofer ( CSU ) recently spoke in the “Bild” newspaper about “millions of deaths”. Otherwise, however, Health Minister Jens Spahn and Chancellor Angela Merkel (both CDU ) leave the field to the public . According to media reports, neither Merkel nor Spahn were particularly enthusiastic about the paper from the Interior Ministry. Merkel prefers a different tone anyway: in her speeches to the nation, the Chancellor appeals primarily to the responsibility of the citizens.
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Source: focus.de
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Apr 5, 2020 12:53:26 GMT
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Apr 5, 2020 13:00:13 GMT
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Post by sdm3 on Apr 5, 2020 13:02:15 GMT
All that said -
I couldn't live with myself if I got anybody else inadvertently sick - since we can get it and not even know we have it - trying to take every precaution to prevent that.
I consider myself a healthy person and I know studies have shown it's not just the elderly that get it - but I just don't want to put anybody else at risk for my own ignorant actions - I know we're 'allowed' to exercise outside - which I'm doing but questioning and struggling with - think the safest thing is to stay at home. I agree. That's why I support social distancing and self isolation. Down here, we're entering the 3rd week of the governor's Stay at Home Order. Police are enforcing nobody but essential businesses, errands and chores are allowed. And no groups of 10 or more people. Half of our parishes/counties now have curfews from 9PM to 6AM. I haven't worked in two weeks. I support that. (I'm sticking by my prediction of "2 to 4 weeks things will start going back to normal". That was a week ago. So now, 1 to 3 weeks.) What? So groups of nine people are perfectly safe, but not ten? Does this make sense in Louisiana?
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Post by movieliker on Apr 5, 2020 14:00:46 GMT
I agree. That's why I support social distancing and self isolation. Down here, we're entering the 3rd week of the governor's Stay at Home Order. Police are enforcing nobody but essential businesses, errands and chores are allowed. And no groups of 10 or more people. Half of our parishes/counties now have curfews from 9PM to 6AM. I haven't worked in two weeks. I support that. (I'm sticking by my prediction of "2 to 4 weeks things will start going back to normal". That was a week ago. So now, 1 to 3 weeks.) What? So groups of nine people are perfectly safe, but not ten? Does this make sense in Louisiana? I looked it up on the Internet. It just said, "Don't gather in groups."
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Post by bluerisk on Apr 5, 2020 14:38:44 GMT
I agree. That's why I support social distancing and self isolation. Down here, we're entering the 3rd week of the governor's Stay at Home Order. Police are enforcing nobody but essential businesses, errands and chores are allowed. And no groups of 10 or more people. Half of our parishes/counties now have curfews from 9PM to 6AM. I haven't worked in two weeks. I support that. (I'm sticking by my prediction of "2 to 4 weeks things will start going back to normal". That was a week ago. So now, 1 to 3 weeks.) What? So groups of nine people are perfectly safe, but not ten? Does this make sense in Louisiana? It makes sense in nine out of ten.
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Post by sdm3 on Apr 5, 2020 14:40:11 GMT
What? So groups of nine people are perfectly safe, but not ten? Does this make sense in Louisiana? It makes sense in nine out of ten. Unlike your post...
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Apr 5, 2020 19:02:27 GMT
Provincial ban on non-essential services extended from April 13 to May 4 now here in Quebec.
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Post by sdm3 on Apr 6, 2020 8:28:00 GMT
Sure...
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