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Post by darkpast on May 1, 2017 4:08:10 GMT
Wonder Woman, assuming Captain Marvel is a origin film with Avengers in it
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Post by luketargaryen on May 1, 2017 4:31:47 GMT
Fair and impartial observer you are. I don't expect every MCU original release to be GOTG big. I admit I vastly prefer Marvel, and I don't expect it to be GOTG big either, but 300 is ridiculous. There is no chance it's in the 300's, I'd bet you $1000. Why in the world would you think it could possibly be that low. I'm just stunned that you even think that's realistic. I don't think it can go below 500 to be honest. It's a female CBM movie, check how female CBMs did at BO, sure those were a mess, but so are the Transformers movies and yes make a lot at box office, honey if Captain America grossed 350 million what makes you think Cap Marvel can do better? I agree with you that iconic doesn't mean much(if that was the case Green Lantern would have been a big sucess and Suicide Squad would have been flop of the year) and that 300 is absurd considering how MCU performed post Avengers, but if you consider the factors: 1. Wonder Woman has an advantage, BvS failed to entertain enough and did a big mistake following Death of Superman story, but Gal's performance was praised even by the critics who said the movie was utter trash. 2. Suicide Squad proves DCEU movies can do very very well when they're entertaining enough. 3. MCU has gotten female blacklash, plus they're late, Wondy comes this year, next year we will probably have Gotham City Sirens(WB is not retarded to only release Aquaman and at the anus of the year, Batfleck solo flick will likely have longer filming and post production so it's guaranteed we will have GCS).
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 1, 2017 5:02:08 GMT
Based on? She's not the most distinguished type of director but has a pretty diverse resume - in addition to Monster she also did work on Arrested Development, Entourage, and The Killing, the latter earned her an Emmy nomination.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2017 5:14:19 GMT
Based on? She's not the most distinguished type of director but has a pretty diverse resume - in addition to Monster she also did work on Arrested Development, Entourage, and The Killing, the latter earned her an Emmy nomination. I'm just saying that to piss off Anne Hathaway Fan.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 1, 2017 6:52:34 GMT
I see, I've told him Powerless just got cancelled and he has yet to comment on it. I'm sure it might be a "Marvel is to blame!" type of thing.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 1, 2017 8:21:44 GMT
Everything DC-Fan says is bullshit Everything ThatGuy says is correct Steve didn't want to join to get girls, he joined to 'fight bullies.! Nope, you obviously weren't paying attention to the movie. In the movie, it's very clear that Steve Rogers joined the Army so that he could get girls like the other soldiers did and it's very clear that Steve Rogers didn't care about "fighting bullies" at all.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 1, 2017 8:25:37 GMT
Steve shows no signs of wanting to be in the Army due to his sexual needs. You obviously weren't paying attention during the movie. It's very clear that Steve Rogers joined the Army so that he could get girls like the other soldiers did.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 1, 2017 8:39:42 GMT
More like you're making up bull crap and saying its a fact when it obviously isn't. Provide a moment in The First Avenger where Steve says or it is implied that the reason why he joined the army was because he wanted to get girls You dumb MCU fans are so used to being spoon-fed everything that you lack the ability to use your brains anymore. Since you dumb MCU fans are slow at getting things, I'll explain it to you slowly.
It's not what Steve Rogers says that makes it clear he was only in the Army because he wanted to get girls and not because he wanted to fight bullies. It's what Steve Rogers doesn't say that makes it clear he was only in the Army because he wanted to get girls and not because he wanted to fight bullies. What Steve Rogers doesn't say makes it clear that he didn't care about fighting bullies at all.
After Rogers joins the Army, his entire focus is on trying to get a date with Peggy Carter. Then at the end of the movie, Rogers wakes up in 2011 and breaks out of the SHIELD building and runs out into the street. Nick Fury stops Rogers and tells Rogers that he had been asleep for 70 years and then asks Rogers if he's OK.
Someone who was interested in fighting bullies would've asked "Who won the war?" or "Did we win the war?" But Rogers never even asked who won the war because Rogers didn't care about the war or about fighting bullies at all. The 1st thing Rogers says is "I had a date".
That's all Rogers cared about. Not "Who won the war?" or "Did we win the war?" Only "I had a date." Instead of asking if America won the war (which would be good news for someone who had been asleep since 1941), Rogers was disappointed that he couldn't go on a date with Peggy Carter. It's very obvious that Rogers wanted to join the Army only so that he could get girls like the other soldiers did and Rogers didn't care at all about who won the war or about fighting bullies.
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on May 1, 2017 9:37:07 GMT
More like you're making up bull crap and saying its a fact when it obviously isn't. Provide a moment in The First Avenger where Steve says or it is implied that the reason why he joined the army was because he wanted to get girls You dumb MCU fans are so used to being spoon-fed everything that you lack the ability to use your brains anymore. Since you dumb MCU fans are slow at getting things, I'll explain it to you slowly.
It's not what Steve Rogers says that makes it clear he was only in the Army because he wanted to get girls and not because he wanted to fight bullies. It's what Steve Rogers doesn't say that makes it clear he was only in the Army because he wanted to get girls and not because he wanted to fight bullies. What Steve Rogers doesn't say makes it clear that he didn't care about fighting bullies at all.
After Rogers joins the Army, his entire focus is on trying to get a date with Peggy Carter. Then at the end of the movie, Rogers wakes up in 2011 and breaks out of the SHIELD building and runs out into the street. Nick Fury stops Rogers and tells Rogers that he had been asleep for 70 years and then asks Rogers if he's OK.
Someone who was interested in fighting bullies would've asked "Who won the war?" or "Did we win the war?" But Rogers never even asked who won the war because Rogers didn't care about the war or about fighting bullies at all. The 1st thing Rogers says is "I had a date".
That's all Rogers cared about. Not "Who won the war?" or "Did we win the war?" Only "I had a date." Instead of asking if America won the war (which would be good news for someone who had been asleep since 1941), Rogers was disappointed that he couldn't go on a date with Peggy Carter. It's very obvious that Rogers wanted to join the Army only so that he could get girls like the other soldiers did and Rogers didn't care at all about who won the war or about fighting bullies.
Captain Steven Grant Rogers disappeared on March 5, 1945. At the time of his disappearance, the Allied powers victory over the Axis forces was all but assured. When the Captain woke up, the first landmark he saw was Times Square. This is Times Square, NYC c. 1941 This is Times Square, NYC c. 2011 As a native New Yorker, the Captain was very likely to recognize Times Square despite its technological advancements. Note that none of the signs are in German or Japanese and no one in the square speaks either language. There is no Nazi or Imperial iconography visible anywhere. At this juncture, the answer to the question; who won the war, was much like yourself - blatantly obvious. The only issue with the scene you are referring to is the fact that Colonel Fury doesn't seem to know when the Captain actually disappeared.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on May 1, 2017 10:19:44 GMT
if Captain America grossed 350 million what makes you think Cap Marvel can do better? 3. MCU has gotten female blacklash, plus they're late, Because it's not phase 1 any more.
And WW coming out first isn't an achievement or a box office advantage. There have been tons of female led movies. This isn't breaking any ground.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on May 1, 2017 10:20:27 GMT
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Post by formersamhmd on May 1, 2017 13:08:40 GMT
Steve shows no signs of wanting to be in the Army due to his sexual needs. You obviously weren't paying attention during the movie. It's very clear that Steve Rogers joined the Army so that he could get girls like the other soldiers did. Steve shows no signs of being sexually-drive at all during the movie. It's the women who come onto him. Batman is more sexually-driven than Captain America was. Batman's the one who lets women mess things up for him while Cap is much more dutiful and driven. It's sad when ones' hatred of Marvel blinds them to TRUE Nobility.
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Post by zoilus on May 1, 2017 13:50:14 GMT
Someone who was interested in fighting bullies would've asked "Who won the war?" or "Did we win the war?"
Hey idiot, if zhe Germans had won the war, Fury wouldn't have been speaking English. Hell given that he's black, he wouldn't be in a position of power at all. LOL you so dumb!! You're the one that needs things spoon fed to him. If Cap joined just to get girls, why did he dive on a grenade? How do you feel about Whedon directing batgirl?
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Post by ThatGuy on May 1, 2017 14:52:43 GMT
she was created from sand. Hyppolita sculpted her and she was brought to life by a god. Nope, she wasn't created from sand. Her mother was Hippolyta and her father was Zeus. She was conceived and born the same way that other children of Zeus (such as Hercules and Perseus) were conceived and born. You mean the Steve that, no matter what he did, couldn't build the muscle mass? That's irrelevant. The only thing that's relevant is that he couldn't pass the physical to join the Army. But eh wanted to join the Army to get girls like the other soldiers did so he consciously chose to take a shortcut. Even if you argue that he had no control over how skinny he was, he certainly had control over whether or not to choose to take a shortcut and use an experimental PED to give himself an artificial advantage over everyone else. He consciously chose to take the shortcut. So you are going to ignore Diana's origin? Good to know. And you are going to also ignore Steve Roger's origin to try and make up a narrative that's only in your head? Done...
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Post by formersamhmd on May 1, 2017 15:17:07 GMT
Nope, she wasn't created from sand. Her mother was Hippolyta and her father was Zeus. She was conceived and born the same way that other children of Zeus (such as Hercules and Perseus) were conceived and born. That's irrelevant. The only thing that's relevant is that he couldn't pass the physical to join the Army. But eh wanted to join the Army to get girls like the other soldiers did so he consciously chose to take a shortcut. Even if you argue that he had no control over how skinny he was, he certainly had control over whether or not to choose to take a shortcut and use an experimental PED to give himself an artificial advantage over everyone else. He consciously chose to take the shortcut. So you are going to ignore Diana's origin? Good to know. And you are going to also ignore Steve Roger's origin to try and make up a narrative that's only in your head? Done... He thinks it's okay for Diana to be born with her powers but it's wrong for Steve to have to work for his. Of course, if Steve were a DC character he wouldn't care.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 1, 2017 15:21:55 GMT
Captain Steven Grant Rogers disappeared on March 5, 1945. Germany didn't surrender until April 29, 1945 and Japan didn't surrender until August 15, 1945. Even if Rogers expected the Allied forces to be victorius in Germany, the Allied forces had practically ignored Japan while they were fighting Germany and Japan had taken over most of the eastern Asia. Rogers had no way of knowing if the Allies had defeated Japan. If the Allies could develop the atomic bomb, then certainly Japan (which had been completely ignored by the Allies while the Allies were fighting Germany) could've also developed an atomic bomb after Rogers went missing and that could've turned the tide of the war. Did Rogers not care about the war against Japan? Was Roger's disappointment over not getting to go on a date with Peggy Carter so much greater than his concern about the war against Japan (the country that attacked Pearl Harbor and actually killed U.S. citizens) that he didn't even bothered to ask about the war against Japan? Note that none of the signs are in German or Japanese and no one in the square speaks either language. Irrelevant. When the Nazis conquered France, were all the signs in France changed to German? Did all the French people suddenly spoke German? The only issue with the scene you are referring to is the fact that Colonel Fury doesn't seem to know when the Captain actually disappeared. And that's a major plothole. For SHIELD to know that Rogers' plane had crashed into the ice and to know the area where to search for Rogers' plane, SHIELD had to have intel on that mission so they would've known the exact date when Rogers went missing. And seeing how it's reported in the newspaper, the date when Rogers went missing is clearly known to the public. So either Nick Fury is really bad at math, or that's a major plothole.
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Post by ThatGuy on May 1, 2017 15:24:43 GMT
So you are going to ignore Diana's origin? Good to know. And you are going to also ignore Steve Roger's origin to try and make up a narrative that's only in your head? Done... He thinks it's okay for Diana to be born with her powers but it's wrong for Steve to have to work for his. Of course, if Steve were a DC character he wouldn't care. He is a DC character. They even take a jab at Captain America by having him smash his old shield (while the new one and Thor's hammer is on the wall).
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Post by DC-Fan on May 1, 2017 15:25:21 GMT
There have been tons of female led movies. This isn't breaking any ground. There haven't been a ton of female-led superhero movies. There have been so few that they can all be counted on 1 hand. And none in more than 10 years. And none with a $100 million budget. And none directed by a woman.
So yes, the Wonder Woman movie is breaking new ground and is historic.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 1, 2017 15:31:29 GMT
Someone who was interested in fighting bullies would've asked "Who won the war?" or "Did we win the war?"
Hey idiot, if zhe Germans had won the war, Fury wouldn't have been speaking English. Did the French people suddenly start speaking German after the Nazis conquered France? Nope. They're French so they spoke French. Nick Fury is American so he spoke English. Hell given that he's black, he wouldn't be in a position of power at all. It wasn't 1945 anymore. It was 2011. Why wouldn't there be black commanders?
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Post by DC-Fan on May 1, 2017 15:41:26 GMT
you are going to ignore Diana's origin? Good to know. I haven't ignored Diana's origin. She's the daughter of Hippolyta and Zeus. She was conceived and born the same way that Zeus other children (like Hercules and Perseus) were. You're clearly not up-to-date with Diana's origin story, He thinks it's okay for Diana to be born with her powers but it's wrong for Steve to have to work for his. Diana was born with her powers. There's nothing wrong with that. Michael Jordan was born with talent to be a great basketball player. Was that Jordan's fault for being born with more talent than everybody else? And even with her natural-born powers, Diana still had to train hard like the other Amazons did, just like Jordan even with his natural-born talent still had to practice and work hard to become the great player that he did. Steve on the other hand wasn't born with powers but decided to take a shortcut and use an experimental PED to give himself an artificial advantage so he could join the Army so that he could get girls like the other soldiers did. In that sense, Steve is as much a fraud as Tom Brady. Brady grew up in the Bay Area and watched Joe Montana, the greatest QB in NFL history, play and win Super Bowls. Brady wanted to be like Joe, but Brady knew he wasn't good enough to be like Joe. So Brady decided to take a shortcut and cheat in order to win. And Brady got caught cheating and got suspended for cheating. So Brady has forever been branded with the stigma of being the biggest cheater and fraud in NFL history because he chose to not work hard to earn his championships and instead chose to take a shortcut, like Steve Rogers did.
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