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Post by zoilus on May 1, 2017 15:43:14 GMT
Did the French people suddenly start speaking German after the Nazis conquered France? Germany did not conquer France, it was an occupation. They were too busy with the war to give France a makeover. Nick Fury is American so he spoke English.It wasn't 1945 anymore. It was 2011. Why wouldn't there be black commanders? How did the nazis feels about black people? Did they like black people? Did they let black people command whites? Would a nazi regime lasting decades let black guys get promoted to commander, when there's plenty of whites to promote? So Brady decided to take a shortcut and cheat in order to win. And Brady got caught cheating and got suspended for cheating. So Brady has forever been branded with the stigma of being the biggest cheater and fraud in NFL history because he chose to not work hard to earn his championships and instead chose to take a shortcut, like Steve Rogers did. All your 'Brady is a cheater' arguments have been annihilated time and time again. I realize you're delusional but I thought I'd remind you anyway...
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Post by formersamhmd on May 1, 2017 15:54:31 GMT
There have been tons of female led movies. This isn't breaking any ground. There haven't been a ton of female-led superhero movies. There have been so few that they can all be counted on 1 hand. And none in more than 10 years. And none with a $100 million budget. And none directed by a woman.
So yes, the Wonder Woman movie is breaking new ground and is historic.
Nah, it's just DC trying to make up for them making the worst female Superhero movie. They're trying too hard instead of being natural, like Marvel is doing. And they played that wrong Baseball game on purpose. It was to test if Steve's mental faculties hadn't been damaged by the long sleep. Oh, and Steve earned his powers. He was competing with those other test subjects and beat them rightfully. So he earned his powers in ways Diana never did. She had everything handed to her. Diana and Superman are more cheaters than Steve. He earned his powers, they didn't.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 1, 2017 16:09:00 GMT
Germany did not conquer France You dumb MCU fans are so stupid you don't even know history. France was divided into a German zone in the north which was administered by the Nazis and a southern zone which had an authoritarian regime collaborating with the Nazis. A government-in-exile led by Charles de Gaulle was set up in London. When your government leaders are exiled to another country and your country is administered by a foreign power that you had been at war with, that means your country has been conquered by the enemy. How did the nazis feels about black people? Did they like black people? Did they let black people command whites? Would a nazi regime lasting decades let black guys get promoted to commander, when there's plenty of whites to promote? Who said the Nazis let Nick Fury be in command or promoted Nick Fury to commander? The Nazis certainly didn't let Charles de Gaulle be in charge or promoted Charles de Gaulle to command, but Charles de Gaulle led the French resistance government in London. Nick Fury could've been the leader of the American resistance. But Rogers was too busy being disappointed about not getting to go on a date with Peggy Carter that he didn't care and didn't even bother to ask about the outcome of a war in which 130,000+ Americans were killed. All your 'Brady is a cheater' arguments have been annihilated No, they haven't. On the contrary, the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals afffirmed the guilt verdict against Brady. So the 2nd highest court in the country has spoken and has affirmed that Brady was guilty of cheating.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 1, 2017 16:14:29 GMT
I'm not going to drag this off course with your WWII hissy fit, but the fact stands Steve earned his powers by beating the other test subjects fair and square. Diana and Superman did NOTHING to earn their powers, they had everything handed to them.
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Post by zoilus on May 1, 2017 16:23:58 GMT
France was divided into a German zone in the north which was administered by the Nazis and a southern zone which had an authoritarian regime collaborating with the Nazis. A government-in-exile led by Charles de Gaulle was set up in London. You have to win a war to conquer someone. Otherwise you're just occupying them until you eventually lose the terrain. This is getting off-topic. Who said the Nazis let Nick Fury be in command or promoted Nick Fury to commander? If the nazis won, they wouldn't have stopped with Europe. They would have taken America. Americans would not be allowed to speak English. A black guy wouldn't be in charge of shit. The only reason for Cap to wonder who won would be if everything were German and Aryan. Plus he defeated Red Skull, whom he wouldn't have gotten to if the war weren't already nearly over. On the contrary, the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals afffirmed the guilt verdict against Brady. So the 2nd highest court in the country has spoken and has affirmed that Brady was guilty of cheating. I know you're too stupid to admit this, but they only ruled on Goodell's authority from the CBA. Go ahead and mention Chin saying 'the evidence was compelling' when A. No one knows what the fuck evidence he's talking about. B. He's not a scientist and wouldn't recognize faulty science. C. Exponent's science is clearly fraudulent. You'd know this if you were objective and knew shit about science. But you aren't and don't.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 1, 2017 17:06:20 GMT
I'm afraid your "argument" falls completely flat, because if Steve was as girl crazy as you claim he is then he wouldn't have agreed to face off against the Red Skull to obtain the Tesseract towards the end of The First Avenger, and continue flying the plane through the arctic instead of finding a way to get off so he could make his date with Peggy. He was extremely dedicated to being a soldier and making sure the enemy didn't win, and didn't place emphasize on personal glory or romantic relationships before it. The reason why he says "I had a date..." instead of asking "Did we win the war?" was because Peggy was the last person he had a real conversation with before he was trapped in ice and he made a promise to take her out dancing. Its established pretty early on that Steve doesn't like to break promises to the people he loves, that's why instead of staying put at the army base he went on his own rescue mission to save Bucky and his comrades from battle at the HYDRA base.
Also, it would be nice if you would acknowledge the fact that Patty Jenkins isn't an Oscar winning director like you claimed she was, because I'm looking at IMDb right about now and it doesn't say she won or was nominated for ANY Academy Award.
It would also be interesting to hear how you feel about POWERLESS being cancelled, y'know the show you said would be "better than anything the MCU could ever deliver" last Spring? Let me guess..."Dumb MCU fans" got the show cancelled, yes? Not because the premise was lame and that it couldn't succeed on its own legs with so many damn references to characters and events that we'd never see and were far more interesting than the storylines we were witnessing.
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on May 1, 2017 17:19:46 GMT
Did the French people suddenly start speaking German after the Nazis conquered France? Germany did not conquer France, it was an occupation. They were too busy with the war to give France a makeover. Nick Fury is American so he spoke English.It wasn't 1945 anymore. It was 2011. Why wouldn't there be black commanders? How did the nazis feels about black people? Did they like black people? Did they let black people command whites? Would a nazi regime lasting decades let black guys get promoted to commander, when there's plenty of whites to promote? So Brady decided to take a shortcut and cheat in order to win. And Brady got caught cheating and got suspended for cheating. So Brady has forever been branded with the stigma of being the biggest cheater and fraud in NFL history because he chose to not work hard to earn his championships and instead chose to take a shortcut, like Steve Rogers did. All your 'Brady is a cheater' arguments have been annihilated time and time again. I realize you're delusional but I thought I'd remind you anyway... A few photos of Nazi occupied France to help enliven the conversation... The Nazi's were not shy about branding.
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Post by zoilus on May 1, 2017 17:25:28 GMT
A few photos of Nazi occupied France to help enliven the conversation... The Nazi's were not shy about branding. Couple flags and banners, not exactly Times Square...
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on May 1, 2017 18:20:08 GMT
A few photos of Nazi occupied France to help enliven the conversation... The Nazi's were not shy about branding. Couple flags and banners, not exactly Times Square... My point is that if the Axis powers had won the war, it would have been evident in flags or landmarks in Times Square that suggested as much. The absence of any such iconography would have been a good indicator to Steve that the allies won the war, thus lessening the need to urgently ask the question - did we win. The photos reinforce the idea that the Nazi "marked" their occupied territories. The Japanese, would have likely followed suit.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 1, 2017 19:44:07 GMT
You have to win a war to conquer someone. I'll explain it to you again. When your government leaders are exiled to another country and your country is being administered by a foreign country that you had been at war with, that means you've been conquered. France was conquered by the Nazis. Whether or not the Nazis had invaded the America, the Soviet Union or Great Britain doesn't change the fact that France was conquered by the Nazis. In the Revolutionary War, France was allied with the Colonists. But the British didn't need to invade France. The British only needed the Colonists to surrender. If the Colonists had surrendered, then the Colonists would've been conquered by the British, and whether or not the British had invade France wouldn't have changed that. If the nazis won, they wouldn't have stopped with Europe. They would have taken America. Not necessarily. The Roman Empire controlled most of the Mediterranean. Did they send armies to invade China, Japan, and the Far East? The Roman Empire knew they didn't have the manpower to travel all the way to the Far East and invade China, Japan, and the Far East so they were satisfied with controlling the Mediterranean. Same with the Nazis. The Nazis would've been satisfied with controlling Europe. In fact, the Nazis had an pact with Japan and Italy that the Nazis would control Europe, Japan would control the Far East, and Italy would control the Mediterranean and northern Africa. Americans would not be allowed to speak English. 1st, why would Americans not be allowed to speak English? Did the Nazis prohibit the French people from speaking French after they conquered France and set up a Military Administration in France? 2nd, English is so widely spoken around the world that no country is ever going to be able to outlaw English or prohibit people from speaking English. A black guy wouldn't be in charge of shit. It wasn't 1941. It was 2011. Why wouldn't it be possible for a black guy to be in charge? If black men can be granted the right to vote about 8 decades after the Constitution (which didn't give black men the right to vote) was signed, then why wouldn't it be possible 7 decades after World War II for a black man to be a commander? he defeated Red Skull, whom he wouldn't have gotten to if the war weren't already nearly over. Japan didn't surrender until August 15, 1945. Even if Rogers expected the Allied forces to be victorius in Germany, the Allied forces had practically ignored Japan while they were fighting Germany and Japan had taken over most of the eastern Asia. Rogers had no way of knowing if the Allies had defeated Japan. If the Allies could develop the atomic bomb, then certainly Japan (which had been completely ignored by the Allies while the Allies were fighting Germany) could've also developed an atomic bomb after Rogers went missing and that could've turned the tide of the war. Did Rogers not care about the war against Japan? Was Roger's disappointment over not getting to go on a date with Peggy Carter so much greater than his concern about the war against Japan (the country that attacked Pearl Harbor and actually killed U.S. citizens) that he didn't even bothered to ask about the war against Japan? Go ahead and mention Chin saying 'the evidence was compelling' when A. No one knows what the fuck evidence he's talking about. The evidence is documented in the Wells Report. The footballs were measured before the game and were OK. The footballs were measured at halftime and the Patriots footballs were deflated (while the Colts footballs were OK in the exact same weather conditions, which eliminates the excuse that the Patriots footballs were deflated due to the weather conditions). A Physics professor and former Chairman of the Department of Physics at Princeton University confirmed on the record that the deflation in the Patriots footballs couldn't have been caused by weather alone and that it had to be a combination of weather AND human tampering. And that Physics Professor testified at the Arbitration hearing and took questions under cross-examination from Brady's lawyers and Brady's lawyers failed to debunk his analysis. Meanwhile, Brady's lawyers never called any scientists to testify at the Arbitration hearing and not a single scientist was willing to come forward and testify on the record in defense of Brady. So pretty open and shut case. Brady cheated and got caught cheating. B. He's not a scientist and wouldn't recognize faulty science. Professor Marlow is a Physics professor and former Chairman of the Department of Physics at Princeton and Professor Marlow testified at the Arbitration hearing that the deflation in the Patriots footballs couldn't have been caused by weather alone and that it had to be a combination of weather AND human tampering. And Professor Marlow took questions under cross-examination from Brady's lawyers and Brady's lawyers failed to debunk his analysis. Meanwhile, Brady's lawyers never called any scientists to testify at the Arbitration hearing and not a single scientist was willing to come forward and testify on the record in defense of Brady. So pretty open and shut case. Brady cheated and got caught cheating. C. Exponent's science is clearly fraudulent. Professor Marlow confirmed the Exponent's analysis and took questions under cross-examination from Brady's lawyers and Brady's lawyers failed to debunk his analysis. Meanwhile, Brady's lawyers never called any scientists to testify at the Arbitration hearing and not a single scientist was willing to come forward and testify on the record in defense of Brady. So pretty open and shut case. Brady cheated and got caught cheating.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 1, 2017 19:53:52 GMT
The Nazi's were not shy about branding. Yes, and if the Nazis invaded America, they probably would've put a Nazi banner in front of the White House. But the Nazis weren't planning on invading America. You dumb MCU fans probably don't know this, but it was Japan (not the Nazis) that attacked America, which led to America entering the war. The Roman Empire controlled most of the Mediterranean. Did they send armies to invade China, Japan, and the Far East? The Roman Empire knew they didn't have the manpower to travel all the way to the Far East and invade China, Japan, and the Far East so they were satisfied with controlling the Mediterranean. Same with the Nazis. The Nazis would've been satisfied with controlling Europe. That's also why the Nazis didn't attack America. In fact, the Nazis had an pact with Japan and Italy that the Nazis would control Europe, Japan would control the Far East, and Italy would control the Mediterranean and northern Africa. So just because there were no Nazi flags in Times Square doesn't indicate to someone who had been asleep for 70 years that the Nazis weren't in control of Europe. But Steve Rogers didn't care about the Nazis or about a war in which 130,000 Americans were killed because he was only concerned about disappointment over not getting to go on a date with Peggy Carter.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 1, 2017 19:55:05 GMT
Couple flags and banners, not exactly Times Square... My point is that if the Axis powers had won the war, it would have been evident in flags or landmarks in Times Square that suggested as much. The absence of any such iconography would have been a good indicator to Steve that the allies won the war, thus lessening the need to urgently ask the question - did we win. The photos reinforce the idea that the Nazi "marked" their occupied territories. The Japanese, would have likely followed suit. And your point is invalid. If the Nazis invaded America, they probably would've put a Nazi banner in front of the White House. But the Nazis weren't planning on invading America. You dumb MCU fans probably don't know this, but it was Japan (not the Nazis) that attacked America, which led to America entering the war.
The Roman Empire controlled most of the Mediterranean. Did they send armies to invade China, Japan, and the Far East?
The Roman Empire knew they didn't have the manpower to travel all the way to the Far East and invade China, Japan, and the Far East so they were satisfied with controlling the Mediterranean. Same with the Nazis. The Nazis would've been satisfied with controlling Europe. That's also why the Nazis didn't attack America. In fact, the Nazis had an pact with Japan and Italy that the Nazis would control Europe, Japan would control the Far East, and Italy would control the Mediterranean and northern Africa.
So just because there were no Nazi flags in Times Square doesn't indicate to someone who had been asleep for 70 years that the Nazis weren't in control of Europe. But Steve Rogers didn't care about the Nazis or about a war in which 130,000 Americans were killed because he was only concerned about disappointment over not getting to go on a date with Peggy Carter.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2017 20:09:00 GMT
DC-Fan, I know your mother did drugs while pregnant with you and then dropped you on your head repeatedly as an infant, but it's time to stop.
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Post by zoilus on May 1, 2017 20:25:06 GMT
I'll explain it to you again. Explain, re-explain all you like. Occupied, not conquered, not even relevant to Cap in Times Square. It wasn't 1941. It was 2011. Why wouldn't it be possible for a black guy to be in charge? If black men can be granted the right to vote about 8 decades after the Constitution (which didn't give black men the right to vote) was signed, then why wouldn't it be possible 7 decades after World War II for a black man to be a commander? Ah yes, nazis are so progressive. I'm sure they would have come around to letting black people have command of whites. Do you honestly think hitler, or his ideological successors, or his successor's successors, would have come around in regards to the rights of 'zhe negro'? Paid by Goodell, the ex-Jets employee. Get real. Your reliance on Marlow is what's known as the appeal to authority fallacy. It means just because an expert says so, doesn't necessarily make it so. There is obvious fraud in Exponent's report. If you knew shit about science, you'd realize this - though I'm sure your anti-Patriots bias would win out over any scientific knowledge and you'd be saying this same shit regardless. No amount of appealing to authority will win you this argument.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 1, 2017 20:39:12 GMT
Ah yes, nazis are so progressive. I'm sure they would have come around to letting black people have command of whites. Do you honestly think hitler, or his ideological successors, or his successor's successors, would have come around in regards to the rights of 'zhe negro'? You don't seem to be able to read. Who's talking about the Nazis or Hitler letting a black man command white men? Nobody. This was America. We're talking about the possibility of a black man commanding the American resistance (similar to Charles de Gaulle commanding the French resistance in London after the Nazis conquered France). Why do you think it's impossible for American resistance forces to let a black man be in command of their resistance forces in 2011?WRONG!!! Professor Marlow was never paid by the NFL nor Roger Goodell. just because an expert says so, doesn't necessarily make it so. It does when the opposition fails to debunk that expert's testimony under cross-examination and the opposition doesn't call a single "expert" witness to dispute that expert's testimony and not a single "expert" witness is willing to come forward and testify on the record against that expert's testimony. There is obvious fraud in Exponent's report.
The only fraud in DeflateGate was Brady. Even Judge Denny Chin (an unbiased federal appellate court judge who has n affiliation with the NFL and who swore an oath to review the evidence objectively) said on the record in open court that "the evidence of ball tampering is compelling."
Like I said in my previous post, pretty open and shut case. Brady cheated and got caught cheating.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 1, 2017 20:43:06 GMT
It was totally obvious that the Axis weren't in control of NYC when Steve woke up, so he didn't need to ask. He was simply remembering the last thing he promised before the deep freeze.
You need to be spoonfed this?
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Post by zoilus on May 1, 2017 20:58:22 GMT
You don't seem to be able to read. Who's talking about the Nazis or Hitler letting a black man command white men? Nobody. You're kind of assuming Germany could have won the war without also taking America. Otherwise America would have had to pull out of the war letting Germany keep Europe. Or the war kept going for 70 years. This is nonsense. How dumb would Cap have to be to have been on the verge of winning the war, having just defeated Red Skull, get frozen, then wake up in Times Square - completely devoid of German or nazi influence or iconography - and wonder who won the war? Well he'd have to be as dumb as you! For Germany to have won the war after Cap was frozen, it would have required an amazing come-from-behind victory...it would have to have been a come-from-behind victory even more epic than the Patriots defeating the Falcons. WRONG!!! Professor Marlow was never paid by the NFL nor Roger Goodell. Goodell hired Wells, Wells sub-contracted Exponent and Marlow. Do you think Wells paid Marlow out of his own pocket? Whatever Exponent and Marlow were paid ultimately came from the NFL i.e. Goodell. Many reports say "Wells hired Marlow" so he didn't do it for free. The only fraud in DeflateGate was Brady. Even Judge Denny Chin (an unbiased federal appellate court judge who has n affiliation with the NFL and who swore an oath to review the evidence objectively) said on the record in open court that "the evidence of ball tampering is compelling." Sorry chief, you don't know shit about science. It doesn't matter how many times you cite the 2nd court or Marlow, you're still full of shit, and Exponent's science is still fraud. Exponent's report indicates wet footballs and dry footballs warming at the same rate. They don't. Means they either colossally fucked up or committed fraud. Then there's the whole logo gauge / non-logo gauge / master gauge / exemplar gauge experiment which Wells/Exponent used to conclude referee Walt Anderson was 'most likely' wrong about which gauge he used pre-game (which was bad for the Patriots' case). For that conclusion to have any merit, it would have required precise measurements for both temperature and pressure, both pre-game and at half-time. This is particularly important because at half-time the footballs were warming as they were being measured, and their absorbed moisture was evaporating.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2017 21:06:51 GMT
It was totally obvious that the Axis weren't in control of NYC when Steve woke up, so he didn't need to ask. He was simply remembering the last thing he promised before the deep freeze. You need to be spoonfed this? I think Anne Hathaway Fan has been spoonfed enough, like the crack-laced baby food his mother used to feed him.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 1, 2017 21:27:33 GMT
It was totally obvious that the Axis weren't in control of NYC when Steve woke up, so he didn't need to ask. You dumb MCU fans are really stupid. At no time during the war were the Nazis ever in control of America or Britain. But the Nazis were in control of Poland, Denmark, Norway, the Netherlands, Belgium, and France. Were there any swastikas in Times Square when the Nazis were in control of Poland, Denmark, Norway, the Netherlands, Belgium, and France?
The absence of any swastikas in Times Square wouldn't have indicated to someone who had been asleep for 70 years that the Nazis had been defeated. The Allies and Axis could've very well have agreed to an armistice and cease-fire in which the Nazis kept control of all the territory that they had already conquered.
Rogers had no way of knowing if there had been such an armistice and cease-fire treaty. But Rogers never even bothered to ask about the outcome of the war because Rogers didn't care at all about the war or about fighting Nazis. Rogers was only concerned about his disappointment over not getting to go on a date with Peggy Carter and Rogers didn't give a damn about the war or about fighting Nazis.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2017 21:34:38 GMT
It was totally obvious that the Axis weren't in control of NYC when Steve woke up, so he didn't need to ask. You dumb MCU fans are really stupid. At no time during the war were the Nazis ever in control of America or Britain. But the Nazis were in control of Poland, Denmark, Norway, the Netherlands, Belgium, and France. Were there any swastikas in Times Square when the Nazis were in control of Poland, Denmark, Norway, the Netherlands, Belgium, and France?
The absence of any swastikas in Times Square wouldn't have indicated to someone who had been asleep for 70 years that the Nazis had been defeated. The Allies and Axis could've very well have agreed to an armistice and cease-fire in which the Nazis kept control of all the territory that they had already conquered.
Rogers had no way of knowing if there had been such an armistice and cease-fire treaty. But Rogers never even bothered to ask about the outcome of the war because Rogers didn't care at all about the war or about fighting Nazis. Rogers was only concerned about his disappointment over not getting to go on a date with Peggy Carter and Rogers didn't give a damn about the war or about fighting Nazis.
You are one dumb bastard, you know that?
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