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Post by zoilus on May 1, 2017 21:35:15 GMT
The Allies and Axis could've very well have agreed to an armistice and cease-fire in which the Nazis kept control of all the territory that they had already conquered. Perhaps you, waking up from being frozen for 70 years in Cap's situation, would be dumb enough to believe that. Not Cap. Not most other people. Rogers didn't care at all about the war or about fighting Nazis. DING DING DING you've reached a new low!
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2017 21:37:57 GMT
The Allies and Axis could've very well have agreed to an armistice and cease-fire in which the Nazis kept control of all the territory that they had already conquered. Perhaps you, waking up from being frozen for 70 years in Cap's situation, would be dumb enough to believe that. Not Cap. Not most other people. We've pretty well established Anne Hathaway Fan has a brain-eating parasite in his head. Frankly, I'm amazed anyone is still try to reason with an unreasonable dullard.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 1, 2017 22:47:15 GMT
It was totally obvious that the Axis weren't in control of NYC when Steve woke up, so he didn't need to ask. You dumb MCU fans are really stupid. At no time during the war were the Nazis ever in control of America or Britain. But the Nazis were in control of Poland, Denmark, Norway, the Netherlands, Belgium, and France. Were there any swastikas in Times Square when the Nazis were in control of Poland, Denmark, Norway, the Netherlands, Belgium, and France?
The absence of any swastikas in Times Square wouldn't have indicated to someone who had been asleep for 70 years that the Nazis had been defeated. The Allies and Axis could've very well have agreed to an armistice and cease-fire in which the Nazis kept control of all the territory that they had already conquered.
Rogers had no way of knowing if there had been such an armistice and cease-fire treaty. But Rogers never even bothered to ask about the outcome of the war because Rogers didn't care at all about the war or about fighting Nazis. Rogers was only concerned about his disappointment over not getting to go on a date with Peggy Carter and Rogers didn't give a damn about the war or about fighting Nazis.
There would have been indicators of an Axis victory and Axis control in an NYC where the Axis had won. Blatant images Steve would've recognized.
You want someone who didn't care about people and just wanted to kiss a woman, look at Superman.
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Post by zoilus on May 1, 2017 23:02:47 GMT
You want someone who didn't care about people and just wanted to kiss a woman, look at Superman.
this is just too perfect
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Post by DC-Fan on May 1, 2017 23:17:02 GMT
There would have been indicators of an Axis victory and Axis control in an NYC where the Axis had won. Blatant images Steve would've recognized. The more you post, the more you prove how dumb MCU fans really are. Were there any indicators in Times Square in 1944 after the Nazis had taken control of Poland, Denmark, Norway, the Netherlands, Belgium, and France? If the Allies and Axis agreed to an armistice and cease-fire in which the Nazis kept control of the territory that that had already conquered (i.e. Poland, Denmark, Norway, the Netherlands, Belgium, and France) but no control of Britain or America (which they didn't invade), then why would there be indicators of an Axis victory or Axis control in Times Square? Why would America put indicators in Times Square of an Axis "victory" or even a cease-fire in which the Axis still maintained control of Poland, Denmark, Norway, the Netherlands, Belgium, and France? America basically agreed to a cease-fire with the Soviet Union in the Vietnam War. Are there any indicators of that in Times Square? Like I said in my previous post, the absence of any swastikas in Times Square wouldn't have indicated to someone who had been asleep for 70 years that the Nazis had been defeated. The Allies and Axis could've very well have agreed to an armistice and cease-fire in which the Nazis kept control of all the territory that they had already conquered.
Rogers had no way of knowing if there had been such an armistice and cease-fire treaty. But Rogers never even bothered to ask about the outcome of the war because Rogers didn't care at all about the war or about fighting Nazis. Rogers was only concerned about his disappointment over not getting to go on a date with Peggy Carter and Rogers didn't give a damn about the war or about fighting Nazis.
[quote You want someone who didn't care about people and just wanted to kiss a woman, look at Superman.
Wow! You've just claimed that every American soldier who came back from World War I and World War II didn't care about the people who died in the wars and you've just claimed that every policeman and firefighter who went home after 9/11 didn't care about the people who died in the towers. Because the first thing that anyone who has just survived such a catastrophic event as a world war or a deadly terrorist attack is going to do is hug or kiss someone they love.
The war or the catastrophe is over, you survived, it's time to take a breath and to hug or kiss those you love. That's the normal reaction for everyone.
But the normal reaction for a soldier who was fighting a war and then wakes up after 70 years should be "Who won the war" or "Did we win the war?" Not I'm bummed and disappointed because "I had a date" and I don't give a damn about who won the war. Don't try to make it seem like Rogers was sad that his friends may all be gone. Rogers' first reaction wasn't "I'm bummed and disappointed because all my friends are probably dead." Rogers' first reaction was "I'm bummed and disappointed because I won't get to go on a date with Peggy Carter."
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Post by zoilus on May 1, 2017 23:37:36 GMT
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Post by formersamhmd on May 2, 2017 0:00:47 GMT
There would have been indicators of an Axis victory and Axis control in an NYC where the Axis had won. Blatant images Steve would've recognized. The more you post, the more you prove how dumb MCU fans really are. Were there any indicators in Times Square in 1944 after the Nazis had taken control of Poland, Denmark, Norway, the Netherlands, Belgium, and France? If the Allies and Axis agreed to an armistice and cease-fire in which the Nazis kept control of the territory that that had already conquered (i.e. Poland, Denmark, Norway, the Netherlands, Belgium, and France) but no control of Britain or America (which they didn't invade), then why would there be indicators of an Axis victory or Axis control in Times Square? Why would America put indicators in Times Square of an Axis "victory" or even a cease-fire in which the Axis still maintained control of Poland, Denmark, Norway, the Netherlands, Belgium, and France? America basically agreed to a cease-fire with the Soviet Union in the Vietnam War. Are there any indicators of that in Times Square? Like I said in my previous post, the absence of any swastikas in Times Square wouldn't have indicated to someone who had been asleep for 70 years that the Nazis had been defeated. The Allies and Axis could've very well have agreed to an armistice and cease-fire in which the Nazis kept control of all the territory that they had already conquered.
Rogers had no way of knowing if there had been such an armistice and cease-fire treaty. But Rogers never even bothered to ask about the outcome of the war because Rogers didn't care at all about the war or about fighting Nazis. Rogers was only concerned about his disappointment over not getting to go on a date with Peggy Carter and Rogers didn't give a damn about the war or about fighting Nazis.
[quote You want someone who didn't care about people and just wanted to kiss a woman, look at Superman. Wow! You've just claimed that every American soldier who came back from World War I and World War II didn't care about the people who died in the wars and you've just claimed that every policeman and firefighter who went home after 9/11 didn't care about the people who died in the towers. Because the first thing that anyone who has just survived such a catastrophic event as a world war or a deadly terrorist attack is going to do is hug or kiss someone they love.
The war or the catastrophe is over, you survived, it's time to take a breath and to hug or kiss those you love. That's the normal reaction for everyone.
But the normal reaction for a soldier who was fighting a war and then wakes up after 70 years should be "Who won the war" or "Did we win the war?" Not I'm bummed because "I had a date" and I don't give a damn about who won the war. It would've been obvious that there'd been an Axis victory if it were so, and Steve would've noticed that. He knew things were good and didn't need to be spoonfed.
Superman made out with Lois right after killing Zod, instead of checking to see if anyone needed help. Those other people DID THEIR duty before kissing someone.
So yeah, Steve was better than Superman in that regard.
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Post by ThatGuy on May 2, 2017 0:05:53 GMT
you are going to ignore Diana's origin? Good to know. I haven't ignored Diana's origin. She's the daughter of Hippolyta and Zeus. She was conceived and born the same way that Zeus other children (like Hercules and Perseus) were. You're clearly not up-to-date with Diana's origin story, He thinks it's okay for Diana to be born with her powers but it's wrong for Steve to have to work for his. Diana was born with her powers. There's nothing wrong with that. Michael Jordan was born with talent to be a great basketball player. Was that Jordan's fault for being born with more talent than everybody else? And even with her natural-born powers, Diana still had to train hard like the other Amazons did, just like Jordan even with his natural-born talent still had to practice and work hard to become the great player that he did. Steve on the other hand wasn't born with powers but decided to take a shortcut and use an experimental PED to give himself an artificial advantage so he could join the Army so that he could get girls like the other soldiers did. In that sense, Steve is as much a fraud as Tom Brady. Brady grew up in the Bay Area and watched Joe Montana, the greatest QB in NFL history, play and win Super Bowls. Brady wanted to be like Joe, but Brady knew he wasn't good enough to be like Joe. So Brady decided to take a shortcut and cheat in order to win. And Brady got caught cheating and got suspended for cheating. So Brady has forever been branded with the stigma of being the biggest cheater and fraud in NFL history because he chose to not work hard to earn his championships and instead chose to take a shortcut, like Steve Rogers did. Oh so Perseus and Hercules was molded from clay also? So you are saying that no matter what Jordan would have done in life (having never touched a basketball) he would have still been a great basketball player? That sounds like a person that hasn't earned their ability to me. Was just given to them by another. So Jordan didn't have to practice a day in his life. I remember when Jordan came back to basketball and really didn't do so well... And I'd like to know in what scene did Rogers say he was joining the military to get girls. Don't remember that part of the movie.
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Post by ThatGuy on May 2, 2017 0:41:24 GMT
But, uh, anyway. The ploy of the fanboy is derailment. Let's get this thread back on track. Wonder Woman has a hurdle called BvS to overcome. Captain Marvel only has Avengers Infinity War and the Russos have already knocked it out of the park twice. Their movies have evolved from a Captain America movie to a Captain America movie with a lot of Avengers and will now be a full Avengers movie. Snyder has done the same thing with Superman. Superman movie to a Superman movie with Justice League members to a full Justice League movie. The problem with this is that the Russos have clearly done a much better job on their side of the board.
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Post by TheHiawatha on May 2, 2017 4:02:18 GMT
I'm tempted to say "Wonder Woman," just due to the character's iconic status and the summer release date. However, "Captain Marvel" will very likely get superior reviews from critics and audiences, and Marvel's brand is huge. Not to mention that Captain Marvel herself will be featured in "Avengers: Infinity War," so there's that.
I'll have to go with "Captain Marvel," but I expect both movies to make decent coinage.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 2, 2017 9:02:17 GMT
so Perseus and Hercules was molded from clay also? Perseus and Hercules were given birth by their mother (who was impregnated by Zeus), just like Diana was given birth by her mother Hippolyta (who was also impregnated by Zeus). You're clearly not up-to-date with Diana's origin. So you are saying that no matter what Jordan would have done in life (having never touched a basketball) he would have still been a great basketball player? That sounds like a person that hasn't earned their ability to me. Was just given to them by another. So Jordan didn't have to practice a day in his life. Jordan practiced his skill at playing basketball, just like Diana trained to use her skills with a sword and other battle skills. Diana had to to train and learn how to deflect bullets with her bracelets, similar to how Jordan had to practice and learn how to make fadeaway jump shots. I remember when Jordan came back to basketball and really didn't do so well... Jordan came back to basketball after almost 2 years of minor-league baseball and led the Bulls to a 72-win season (an NBA record at that time) and 3 straight NBA championships. I'd say that's pretty good. I'd like to know in what scene did Rogers say he was joining the military to get girls. Don't remember that part of the movie. 1st, after Rogers joins the Army, it's obvious that his entire focus is getting a date with Peggy Carter. 2nd, as I said before, it's not what Rogers says but what Rogers doesn't say that shows that he joined the Army just to get girls, like the other soldiers did. Someone who was in a world war and then woke up after 70 years, if they were interested in fighting the Nazis, would've asked "Who won the war?" or "Did we win the war?" and upon hearing the answer "We won the war" would've been very happy. But Rogers didn't even bother to ask about the war and only said "I had a date" and was clearly disappointed. Some dumb MCU fans here have claimed that Rogers didn't ask who won the war because he could've seen from the absence of swastikas in Times Square that America won the war. Even if that were true, then Rogers should've been overjoyed to know that America won the war. But Rogers wasn't happy at all.
Despite finding out that America had won the war, Rogers' reaction wasn't joy but disappointment that he didn't get to go on a date with Peggy Carter. So that proves once and for all that I'm 100% correct that Rogers didn't give a damn about the war or about fighting Nazis and only joined the Army so that he could get girls, like the other soldiers did. CASE CLOSED.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 2, 2017 13:53:39 GMT
No, Steve was always about doing what he could for his country. Peggy didn't enter into the equation. You're thinking more of Superman, who invented an enter sick mind game just to get with Lois Lane.
Steve knew that the War had been won when he woke up, and was simply remembering the last promise he made before he was frozen. Which is a very human thing to do. And if you had been frozen for 70 years you wouldn't be terribly happy either.
You want someone who thinks only about scoring with a woman in the middle of a battlefield, look at Superman.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 2, 2017 14:45:29 GMT
Steve knew that the War had been won when he woke up And Steve wasn't happy at all when he found out that America won the war. Steve was pretty disappointed when he found out, making Steve the only American soldier who was disappointed when he found out that America had won the war. You want someone who thinks only about scoring with a woman in the middle of a battlefield, look at Superman. The battle was over. The normal reaction for anyone after a huge battle is to hug or kiss someone they love. And the normal reaction for an American soldier when he finds out that America has won the war against the Nazis is to pump his fist in the air and say "YEAH!" and be happy. But not Steve Rogers. Rogers is the only American soldier who was disappointed when he found out that America had won the war against the Nazis.
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Post by zoilus on May 2, 2017 15:18:39 GMT
And Steve wasn't happy at all when he found out that America won the war. Steve was pretty disappointed when he found out, making Steve the only American soldier who was disappointed when he found out that America had won the war. It was a forgone conclusion. He knew they were winning, that they would win. Finding out that the Allies won the war was not news to him. It was more like 'duhhh' He was also the only American soldier who was frozen for 70 years. Would you be happy if you were thrown 70 years in the future, believing everyone you ever knew is dead, not even knowing where you sleep tonight? Well maybe you would appreciate a clean slate because your life clearly sucks... You forgot to reply to my post on the previous page, you know, where I told you Marlow WAS paid by the NFL, and why his approval of Exponent's fraudulent science is meaningless.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 2, 2017 15:33:02 GMT
It was a forgone conclusion. He knew they were winning, that they would win. A foregone conclusion but not official yet when Rogers got frozen in ice. When the Cowboys went into the halftime break with a 28-10 lead in Super Bowl XXVII, I knew it was a foregone conclusion that the Cowboys were going to win the Super Bowl. But when the last second ticked off the clock in the 4th quarter, I was still very happy ecstatic even though I had know for more than an hour that the Cowboys would win. Rogers not only wasn't happy or ecstatic, Rogers actually expressed extreme disappointment when he found out the good news that America had won the war against the Nazis. He was also the only American soldier who was frozen for 70 years. Would you be happy if you were thrown 70 years in the future, believing everyone you ever knew is dead, not even knowing where you sleep tonight? He could sleep in the same place that he just woke up. He was just disappointed that he wasn't going to get to sleep with Peggy Carter. You forgot to reply to my post on the previous page, you know, where I told you Marlow WAS paid by the NFL I already replied. Professor Marlow was never paid by the NFL nor Roger Goodell. But if you insist on claiming that lie, then it would be easy for you to prove it by simply providing a photo or scan of the cancelled check from the NFL or Goodell to Marlow. So either provide the proof or admit that you're a liar.
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Post by zoilus on May 2, 2017 15:45:43 GMT
A foregone conclusion but not official yet when Rogers got frozen in ice. Doesn't matter if it's official or not, we're talking about Cap's state of mind. He didn't 'find out' because he already knew they'd win. He could sleep in the same place that he just woke up. He was just disappointed that he wasn't going to get to sleep with Peggy Carter. You think he's willing to sleep in a makeshift room that he knows was a staged lie? Goddamn you're a moron. Maybe he's just disappointed that the woman who was the closest he's ever been to having a girlfriend is presumably dead. Along with everyone he fought with in the war. I already replied. Professor Marlow was never paid by the NFL nor Roger Goodell. But if you insist on claiming that lie, then it would be easy for you to prove it by simply providing a photo or scan of the cancelled check from the NFL or Goodell to Marlow. So either provide the proof or admit that you're a liar. Nope. You missed a post. Multiple articles mentioning Marlow say he was 'hired' by Wells. Since Wells was hired by Goodell, this means Wells sub-contracted Marlow, meaning Marlow was paid by Goodell, whether directly or indirectly. Or do you think he did it for free? sportsbysharona.com/2015/08/08/newton-knows-why-the-nfl-got-it-right-on-deflategate/"Yet, Exponent is not the only expert Wells retained to evaluate the scientific data. Wells hired Dr. Daniel R. Marlow of the Princeton physics department to oversee the work being conducted by Exponent." Hired means paid to do a job. I'd also appreciate if you could acknowledge Exponent's fraudulent science, i.e. the wet/dry football warming rates and the logo/non-logo/master/exemplar gauge experiment which requires non-existent measurements to have any merit. Otherwise you're just appealing to authority. That's the more important point here, not who was paid to rubber-stamp what.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 2, 2017 15:47:39 GMT
Steve knew that the War had been won when he woke up And Steve wasn't happy at all when he found out that America won the war. Steve was pretty disappointed when he found out, making Steve the only American soldier who was disappointed when he found out that America had won the war. You want someone who thinks only about scoring with a woman in the middle of a battlefield, look at Superman. The battle was over. The normal reaction for anyone after a huge battle is to hug or kiss someone they love. And the normal reaction for an American soldier when he finds out that America has won the war against the Nazis is to pump his fist in the air and say "YEAH!" and be happy. But not Steve Rogers. Rogers is the only American soldier who was disappointed when he found out that America had won the war against the Nazis. Put any other soldier in Steve's place, they'd have reacted the same. In fact, they'd react worse. No one else had to endure a 70 year sleep. Nope, Superman was irresponsible. The city was in ruins, Zod was dead and there were plenty of people still needing Supermans' help. But all he wanted was Lois' lips. A normal soldier wouldn't take it well if they slept for 70 years and woke up in what was essentially an alien world.
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Post by ThatGuy on May 2, 2017 17:07:33 GMT
so Perseus and Hercules was molded from clay also? Perseus and Hercules were given birth by their mother (who was impregnated by Zeus), just like Diana was given birth by her mother Hippolyta (who was also impregnated by Zeus). You're clearly not up-to-date with Diana's origin. So you are saying that no matter what Jordan would have done in life (having never touched a basketball) he would have still been a great basketball player? That sounds like a person that hasn't earned their ability to me. Was just given to them by another. So Jordan didn't have to practice a day in his life. Jordan practiced his skill at playing basketball, just like Diana trained to use her skills with a sword and other battle skills. Diana had to to train and learn how to deflect bullets with her bracelets, similar to how Jordan had to practice and learn how to make fadeaway jump shots. I remember when Jordan came back to basketball and really didn't do so well... Jordan came back to basketball after almost 2 years of minor-league baseball and led the Bulls to a 72-win season (an NBA record at that time) and 3 straight NBA championships. I'd say that's pretty good. I'd like to know in what scene did Rogers say he was joining the military to get girls. Don't remember that part of the movie. 1st, after Rogers joins the Army, it's obvious that his entire focus is getting a date with Peggy Carter. 2nd, as I said before, it's not what Rogers says but what Rogers doesn't say that shows that he joined the Army just to get girls, like the other soldiers did. Someone who was in a world war and then woke up after 70 years, if they were interested in fighting the Nazis, would've asked "Who won the war?" or "Did we win the war?" and upon hearing the answer "We won the war" would've been very happy. But Rogers didn't even bother to ask about the war and only said "I had a date" and was clearly disappointed. Some dumb MCU fans here have claimed that Rogers didn't ask who won the war because he could've seen from the absence of swastikas in Times Square that America won the war. Even if that were true, then Rogers should've been overjoyed to know that America won the war. But Rogers wasn't happy at all.
Despite finding out that America had won the war, Rogers' reaction wasn't joy but disappointment that he didn't get to go on a date with Peggy Carter. So that proves once and for all that I'm 100% correct that Rogers didn't give a damn about the war or about fighting Nazis and only joined the Army so that he could get girls, like the other soldiers did. CASE CLOSED.Nope she was a molded piece of clay that was given life. Was that his focus? Was it? It wasn't to join the war like he thought he would, was it? Him not liking that he was there for propaganda took up the time until he went off to save those POWs. Then after that he took the fight to Hydra. That wasn't his focus? Is that what you are saying? Any idiot could see who won the war. And he wasn't happy because he had fallen in love and it was almost a century later. She could be dead for all he knew.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 2, 2017 19:19:51 GMT
Forget it, he thinks it's okay for Superman to ignore the devastation Metropolis was in at the end of MOS so he could make out with Lois Lane but it's wrong for Steve to feel sad his world was gone.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 2, 2017 22:00:24 GMT
You think he's willing to sleep in a makeshift room that he knows was a staged lie? He was pulled out of the ice and given a bed to sleep in. Did he think they were just going to let him sleep on the street after they went to all that trouble to pull him out of the ice and give him a bed to sleep in? Or was it just that he expected that they would put him in nicer accommodations, like the Ritz-Carlton? Maybe he's just disappointed that the woman who was the closest he's ever been to having a girlfriend is presumably dead. Along with everyone he fought with in the war. Probably every soldier who landed on Normandy beach on D-Day lost a friend or fellow soldier that fought alongside them during the war. But when those soldiers who landed on Normandy beach on D-Day received the good news that the war was over and America won the war, do you think their first reaction was extreme disappointment, like Steve Rogers' first reaction? Those soldiers would've cheered and would've been elated when they found out that America won the war. Later on they may feel sad over the friends and fellow soldiers who were lost during the war. But their first reaction when they found out that America won the war would've been CHEERS, ELATION, JOY, CELEBRATION. What was Steve Rogers' first reaction when he found out that the war was over (and America won)? DISAPPOINTMENT. NO OTHER AMERICAN SOLDIER BESIDES STEVE ROGERS WOULD'VE BEEN ANYTHING LESS THAN ELATED UPON FINDING OUT THE GOOD NEWS THAT AMERICA WON THE WAR.
Multiple articles mentioning Marlow say he was 'hired' by Wells. And you've just admitted that Marlow wasn't paid by the NFL. So I'm correct and you're wrong. Wells sub-contracted Marlow, meaning Marlow was paid by Goodell
Irrelevant. When a defendant is defended by a Public Defender, who do you think pays for the Public Defender? The defendant? NO.
The state pays for the Public Defender. So does that mean the Public Defender has to take orders from the D.A. and do what the D.A. tells him to do? NO.
Let's say the Public Defender hires an investigator to investigate. So the investigator is sub-contracted by the Public Defender and is paid by the Public Defender, who is paid by the state. So does that mean the investigator has to report back to the D.A. and take orders from the D.A. and do what the D.A. tells him to do? NO.
The Public Defender and the investigator hire by the Public Defender work the case independent of the D.A. and don't take orders from the D.A. Same with Marlow. Marlow worked the case independent of the NFL and Goodell, and Marlow didn't take any orders from the NFL or Goodell.
I'd also appreciate if you could acknowledge Exponent's fraudulent science There was no fraudulent science. Professor Marlow (a Physics professor and former Chairman of the Department of Physics at Princeton University) confirmed Exponent's analysis and even took questions under cross-examination from Brady's lawyers and Brady's lawyers failed to debunk Professor Marlow's testimony. On the other side, Brady's lawyers never called a single scientist to testify for Brady and not a single scientist came forward to testify and dispute Exponent's analysis or the Wells Report under the scrutiny of cross-examination. Like I said before, pretty open and shut case. Brady cheated and got caught cheating.[/quote]
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