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Post by The Herald Erjen on May 1, 2017 1:14:36 GMT
That was good, M. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by THawk on May 1, 2017 1:22:29 GMT
lmao. I don't know who this dude is, if he's for real or not, but he has as much to do with Orthodoxy, at least Eastern Orthodoxy, as the Pope has to do with pro wrestling.
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Post by maya55555 on May 1, 2017 1:26:45 GMT
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Post by THawk on May 1, 2017 1:28:51 GMT
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I hear Pope Francis I is into sports. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) He's a soccer fan, but pro wrestling is not quite "sports," it's performance art.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on May 1, 2017 1:32:29 GMT
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I hear Pope Francis I is into sports. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) He's a soccer fan, but pro wrestling is not quite "sports," it's performance art. If the Pope ever wants to be in pro wrestling, he might want to limit it to handicap matches against midgets. I looked up his height and he's only 5'9."
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Post by clusium on May 1, 2017 2:01:44 GMT
St. Matthew chapter 16, verse 19: "Thou art Peter, and upon this Rock, I Will Build My Church." The Papacy goes all the way back to St. Peter the Apostle. The Orthodox Church likewise, also has - & believes in - Apostolic Succession. The Patriarchy of the Greek Orthodox Church goes all the way back to St. Peter the Apostle. The Patriarchy of the Indian Orthodox Church goes all the way back to St. Thomas the Apostle. The Patriarchy of the Armenian Orthodox Church goes all the way back to Sts. Bartholomew & Jude Thaddeus the Apostles. The Papacy of the Coptic Orthodox Church goes all the way back to St. Mark the Evangelist. The Bishop of the Catholic Archdiocese of Jerusalem goes all the way back to St. James Alphaeus the Apostle. Another catholic that believes more in the teachings of the church than the Bible. Why didnt peter write about himself being pope? Why wasnt there any mentions of it any where in the NT? St. Peter's writings are included in the NT. Read the Book of Acts, & notice the role of leader which St. Peter plays.
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Post by dawglf on May 1, 2017 2:19:48 GMT
Another catholic that believes more in the teachings of the church than the Bible. Why didnt peter write about himself being pope? Why wasnt there any mentions of it any where in the NT? St. Peter's writings are included in the NT. Read the Book of Acts, & notice the role of leader which St. Peter plays. Well duh. I didn't say anything if his writings are in the NT. I said why doesn't he mention anything about himself as the leader of the whole church in his writings. Yes, Peter does have a leadership role in the first chapter of Acts. But when he reappears at the Council of Jerusalem, why is it the James leads the Church and not Peter? Why doesn't the NT affirm the doctrine of papalism anywhere? And if the Pope is infallible, why does Paul rebuke the person who was the first Pope?
1 peter 5:1 To the elders among you, I appeal as a fellow elder and a witness of Christ’s sufferings who also will share in the glory to be revealed
If he is the pope, why does he refer to himself as a fellow elder?
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Post by clusium on May 1, 2017 3:59:24 GMT
St. Peter's writings are included in the NT. Read the Book of Acts, & notice the role of leader which St. Peter plays. Well duh. I didn't say anything if his writings are in the NT. I said why doesn't he mention anything about himself as the leader of the whole church in his writings. Yes, Peter does have a leadership role in the first chapter of Acts. But when he reappears at the Council of Jerusalem, why is it the James leads the Church and not Peter? Why doesn't the NT affirm the doctrine of papalism anywhere? And if the Pope is infallible, why does Paul rebuke the person who was the first Pope?
1 peter 5:1 To the elders among you, I appeal as a fellow elder and a witness of Christ’s sufferings who also will share in the glory to be revealed
If he is the pope, why does he refer to himself as a fellow elder?
Because he was a a First among Equals, amongst the Apostles. That's why.
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Post by dawglf on May 1, 2017 4:13:50 GMT
Well duh. I didn't say anything if his writings are in the NT. I said why doesn't he mention anything about himself as the leader of the whole church in his writings. Yes, Peter does have a leadership role in the first chapter of Acts. But when he reappears at the Council of Jerusalem, why is it the James leads the Church and not Peter? Why doesn't the NT affirm the doctrine of papalism anywhere? And if the Pope is infallible, why does Paul rebuke the person who was the first Pope?
1 peter 5:1 To the elders among you, I appeal as a fellow elder and a witness of Christ’s sufferings who also will share in the glory to be revealed
If he is the pope, why does he refer to himself as a fellow elder?
Because he was a a First among Equals, amongst the Apostles. That's why. So if they are equals, no one is first. And way to avoid most of the question.
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Post by clusium on May 1, 2017 4:31:24 GMT
Because he was a a First among Equals, amongst the Apostles. That's why. So if they are equals, no one is first. And way to avoid most of the question. I didn't avoid answering your question. I DID answer it. St. Peter was the Apostle Chosen By Christ to lead His Church after His Ascension into Heaven. This is not only confirmed in St. Matthew's Gospel, it is in the other Gospels as well: St. Luke chapter 22:32, & St. John chapter 21: 15 - 17. The Papacy
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Post by dawglf on May 1, 2017 4:50:22 GMT
So if they are equals, no one is first. And way to avoid most of the question. I didn't avoid answering your question. I DID answer it. St. Peter was the Apostle Chosen By Christ to lead His Church after His Ascension into Heaven. This is not only confirmed in St. Matthew's Gospel, it is in the other Gospels as well: St. Luke chapter 22:32, & St. John chapter 21: 15 - 17. The PapacyAgain, if Peter was the leader of the church, why was James the leader at the Council of Jerusalem. And your so-called Bible verse groups are completely out of context. But then again you don't read the Bible. You just listen to what the church tells you about the Bible. That is the Catholic way
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Post by clusium on May 1, 2017 4:53:23 GMT
I didn't avoid answering your question. I DID answer it. St. Peter was the Apostle Chosen By Christ to lead His Church after His Ascension into Heaven. This is not only confirmed in St. Matthew's Gospel, it is in the other Gospels as well: St. Luke chapter 22:32, & St. John chapter 21: 15 - 17. The PapacyAgain, if Peter was the leader of the church, why was James the leader at the Council of Jerusalem. And your so-called Bible verse groups are completely out of context. But then again you don't read the Bible. You just listen to what the church tells you about the Bible. That is the Catholic way Ah, yes I do read the Holy Bible. I've read it since I was a kid. James was the first Bishop of Jerusalem, as I mentioned in my earlier post.
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Post by dawglf on May 1, 2017 4:55:51 GMT
Again, if Peter was the leader of the church, why was James the leader at the Council of Jerusalem. And your so-called Bible verse groups are completely out of context. But then again you don't read the Bible. You just listen to what the church tells you about the Bible. That is the Catholic way Ah, yes I do read the Holy Bible. I've read it since I was a kid. James was the first Bishop of Jerusalem, as I mentioned in my earlier post. Still doesn't answer the question. If Peter was the leader and the pope, why wasn't he the leader at Jerusalem. If he was the pope why didn't he say anything about it in his writings. The fact is you Catholics have to go through so many biblical Hoops to make your point it's ridiculous
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Post by The Herald Erjen on May 1, 2017 4:58:31 GMT
I didn't avoid answering your question. I DID answer it. St. Peter was the Apostle Chosen By Christ to lead His Church after His Ascension into Heaven. This is not only confirmed in St. Matthew's Gospel, it is in the other Gospels as well: St. Luke chapter 22:32, & St. John chapter 21: 15 - 17. The PapacyAgain, if Peter was the leader of the church, why was James the leader at the Council of Jerusalem. And your so-called Bible verse groups are completely out of context. But then again you don't read the Bible. You just listen to what the church tells you about the Bible. That is the Catholic way You're unlikely to change her mind with antagonistic statements like that.
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Post by dawglf on May 1, 2017 5:00:04 GMT
Again, if Peter was the leader of the church, why was James the leader at the Council of Jerusalem. And your so-called Bible verse groups are completely out of context. But then again you don't read the Bible. You just listen to what the church tells you about the Bible. That is the Catholic way You're unlikely to change her mind with antagonistic statements like that. She is never going to change her mind. And that's not antagonistic. That's just telling the truth
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Post by The Herald Erjen on May 1, 2017 5:07:52 GMT
You're unlikely to change her mind with antagonistic statements like that. She is never going to change her mind. And that's not antagonistic. That's just telling the truth Despite our differences, hopefully the three of us can agree that CHRIST IS THE SAVIOR. I'm finding self-described Christians on this board with a reluctance to do that. They'll say any number of good things about Christ; great healer, great teacher, etc., etc., but they will not acknowledge Him as the Savior.
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Post by clusium on May 1, 2017 5:09:22 GMT
Ah, yes I do read the Holy Bible. I've read it since I was a kid. James was the first Bishop of Jerusalem, as I mentioned in my earlier post. Still doesn't answer the question. If Peter was the leader and the pope, why wasn't he the leader at Jerusalem. If he was the pope why didn't he say anything about it in his writings. The fact is you Catholics have to go through so many biblical Hoops to make your point it's ridiculous Yes, he was leader at the Council in Jerusalem. He was the very first Apostle to speak. James didn't speak up until St. Peter had finished.
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Post by dawglf on May 1, 2017 5:19:35 GMT
She is never going to change her mind. And that's not antagonistic. That's just telling the truth Despite our differences, hopefully the three of us can agree that CHRIST IS THE SAVIOR. I'm finding self-described Christians on this board with a reluctance to do that. They'll say any number of good things about Christ; great healer, great teacher, etc., etc., but they will not acknowledge Him as the Savior. Jesus is the savior and only way to God.
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Post by dawglf on May 1, 2017 5:23:09 GMT
Still doesn't answer the question. If Peter was the leader and the pope, why wasn't he the leader at Jerusalem. If he was the pope why didn't he say anything about it in his writings. The fact is you Catholics have to go through so many biblical Hoops to make your point it's ridiculous Yes, he was leader at the Council in Jerusalem. He was the very first Apostle to speak. James didn't speak up until St. Peter had finished. Again, if anywhere Peter’s papacy should be recognized it is at the first great Christian Council, conceded as such by both Catholics and Protestants. First, Peter does not act like a pope; rather he and the others were involved in lengthy debate. Peter makes his defense but it is not Peter who has the last word, it is James. Peter gives his argument, but James concludes the matter and then the vote is taken.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on May 1, 2017 5:26:18 GMT
Despite our differences, hopefully the three of us can agree that CHRIST IS THE SAVIOR. I'm finding self-described Christians on this board with a reluctance to do that. They'll say any number of good things about Christ; great healer, great teacher, etc., etc., but they will not acknowledge Him as the Savior. Jesus is the savior and only way to God. Thanks. I can't imagine why that would possibly be offensive to other religions. I'm told the Hindus regard cows as sacred. Doesn't offend me one little bit.
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